Who is going to put stuff up for roll now?

[Cyr]

Okay, the new patch is up on Lamaland. New recipes for cannith crafting include many named bound items such as chattering ring, dreamsplitter, chaos blade, and blood of dragons. The list goes on, but I will leave it to the forum goers to check out the threads on the lamaland forums for more details.

It is very clear that this is the new method Turbine is using, although Madfloyd backtracked just slightly mentioning that some truly preposterous recipes might be changed, there was little indication that the basic concept was being withdrawn and every indication that it would continue forward with more recipes at higher levels of crafting using these rare and or bound ingredients.

So simple question with the thought in mind that any update or patch new recipes could be released that require bound and or rare loot are you going to put up as many items for roll as before?

It probably will be useful to note your expected behavior in pugs and more exclusive groups.

For me pugs get nothing now on my crafting toon. My other toons of course will still offer BtC loot for roll that they do not need although I suspect those wanting these items will be going up dramatically.

In guild groups I will be a little more stingy on my crafting toon, but not much more. Probably only high priority ingredients that are known will I bypass putting them up for roll.

[Hendrik]

Any changes to crafting will not change my game-play.

If I don't need it on character in question it will go up for roll as always.

However, "used for crafting" rolls will be last though, right after "used for TR".

;)

[mudfud]

I'll edit this with the link, but wanted to let you know it's been changed, but will go live.


EDIT: Here is that link.

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3908183&postcount=155

For some reason MadFloyd didn't make sure this posts in the dev tracker which would have been important.
I'm sure raidloot like items won't be needed, with the exception of tomes.


I would still put things up for roll if I couldn't use, since crafting isn't the end all things if I can't craft something specific.

[Cauthey]

The only solution that I can work out is to get on voice early in the raid, and make some small talk about crafting. Anyone that voices up, and shares that they are a crafter, I take note of.

Then, if I get raid loot that I can't use (no, I WILL not grind up raid loot for recipes), I will consider putting it up for roll. And, I will exclude the crafters that piped up at the beginning.

I guess?

[RumbIe]

Haven't checked out all the Lam threads on this, but it caused a huge uproar on a ToD run where someone was tabbing out to forums. Absolutely ridiculous idea and well thought out that it would affect giving away named loot you don't need.

Has anyone also considered the inventory issue then? I mean if I have to keep every piece of named loot I get because it might wind up in a recipe or keep 10 or so of an item that doesn't stack or go in a bag it's going to be a nightmare. I sense DDO selling additional Inventory and Bank slots. Not enough mules on a server to handle that much garbage,

[Fejj]

I'll edit this with the link, but wanted to let you know it's been changed, but will go live.

Its been changed? Or "it was unintentional and we plan to change it"

Either way what's done can not be undone.

What about at Crafting level 150, will it be intentional then to use raid loot?

Either way, I suspect many many people to stop crafting and there be no change to the looting system.

[mudfud]

Its been changed? Or "it was unintentional and we plan to change it"

Either way what's done can not be undone.

What about at Crafting level 150, will it be intentional then to use raid loot?

Either way, I suspect many many people to stop crafting and there be no change to the looting system.

I'd hate to be the one to presume what he meant, but my meaning when I read it is basically this:

We did something we thought would be nice. We were wrong. We are going to change it, but we can't change it with this update as it's too late in the process of going live.

So with that I'd guess a patch after or expect a 10.2 update with that being changed before update 11. I think the only thing unintentional was the hate they received because of that change. But you have to remember if you been here awhile that same hate was here also when TR came into play.

[Cauthey]

I'll edit this with the link, but wanted to let you know it's been changed, but will go live.


EDIT: Here is that link.

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3908183&postcount=155

For some reason MadFloyd didn't make sure this posts in the dev tracker which would have been important.

He only mentions two specific pieces of raid loot. And he does not at all address the preposterous notion of grounding up ability tomes. And whats worse is that his post is an extension of the continued "we're not giving ANY hints about the crafting endgame plan."

For all we know, it is their intent to keep recipes with rare, BtC, raid loot in them. And if this is their intent, it will ABSOLUTELY change player behavior when putting loot up for roll.

[Arnhelm]

Posted a thread on the crafting forum urging devs to remove any and all bound items in crafting recipes.

[Cyr]

I'd hate to be the one to presume what he meant, but my meaning when I read it is basically this:

We did something we thought would be nice. We were wrong. We are going to change it, but we can't change it with this update as it's too late in the process of going live.

So with that I'd guess a patch after or expect a 10.2 update with that being changed before update 11. I think the only thing unintentional was the hate they received because of that change. But you have to remember if you been here awhile that same hate was here also when TR came into play.

Yeah, that is how I read it. I also did not see them him saying something like "We will remove all bound loot from crafting recipes and will not put them in future recipes as this is seems to be a bad idea that will promote loot hoarding". That ommision and the fact that they were pushing it live anyways pretty much sealed in my mind that this IS the blueprint he is working on for more powerful crafting recipes.

[PNellesen]

It's already hard enough for a casual player (or THIS casual player, at least) to get Boots of Anchoring mats or GS Larges (just 2 examples) - I have a feeling that these changes are going to make it even worse. At best, the prices for them on the AH are going to skyrocket (and they're already pretty high the way it is), at worst it seems that you won't be able to buy/find them at all - people will be hoarding them more than they do now, and will most likely NOT be willing to put them up for roll or just pass them (as I have done more than once) to someone who needs them.

Making the really high-level/high-power shards harder to craft isn't a bad idea in and of itself, but the way they're implementing it doesn't seem very well thought out at all.

[Cyr]

Any changes to crafting will not change my game-play.

If I don't need it on character in question it will go up for roll as always.

However, "used for crafting" rolls will be last though, right after "used for TR".

;)

So you would not loot lets say the Torc on your crafting toon if there was a recipe that allowed lets say the spell regen effect from the Torc which through crafting you could put on another slot?

[somerecluse]

the same people who left items up for roll before will likely still do it. most likely because they arent using crafting anyhow because huge investments are now too risky. the same greedy folks who loot everything now will probably do so after the patch as well...just now they can say "hey i might craft" as well as "i might tr". heh

[zwiebelring]

I so don't care about that. If I want to have a specific recepy I aim for it with according grind if needed. Just for the general option I won't waste my time.

[Cyr]

the same people who left items up for roll before will likely still do it. most likely because they arent using crafting anyhow because huge investments are now too risky. the same greedy folks who loot everything now will probably do so after the patch as well...just now they can say "hey i might craft" as well as "i might tr". heh

Likely perhaps.

I'm stating definitively that I gave away every piece of BtC loot that I pulled that I did not need before. I literally run raids with my main and have nothing in there that I want except tomes. My main is my crafting toon. My behavior is changing dramatically due to this. Particularly on high value raid loot items which based upon the example here are most likely to be used in high value recipes in the future.

[Fejj]

But you have to remember if you been here awhile that same hate was here also when TR came into play.

This was sorta my point, TR came out all the same. I suspect once the topic settles down, nothing (or very little) will change.

Turbine wanted to make crafting items which are the best DPS in the game harder, and not have leet crafters flood the markets making raid loot obsolete.

While I don't like the choices they made, meh .... its just a game, play the parts you like and skip the rest.

[redspecter23]

If my crafter is in the raid, I will loot anything that I "need" for crafting purposes that drops in my name. No, I would not loot a chattering ring for crafting as I would never craft greater halfling bane (my crafter is an AC toon so I would just plain loot it anyway). I would however loot a Chaosblade on my monk crafter in order to get vampirism. I would hope that guildies in my group would agree with that particular decision, but that is a discussion that we would have as a guild after we see what the real 10.1 looks like. Hopefully that situation won't come up and Chaosblade will be taken off the list like the other raid loot.

Having said that, I'm not sure what I would roll on with regard to crafting material. I really want to see how the system fleshes itself out before I even comment on that. I'm quite torn on the idea of rolling on something like Chaosblade in order to crunch it down. I really don't want it getting to the point where my own guildies groan when I want to bring my crafter into guild raids.

[zwiebelring]

Where is the problem any way? You look up the recepies and then decide which items you need and if you get them in raids, well, grats. If you don't, keep raiding, which you will do in general even if it is just for the chance on Tomes.

[boricua_in_cali]

the same people who left items up for roll before will likely still do it. most likely because they arent using crafting anyhow because huge investments are now too risky. the same greedy folks who loot everything now will probably do so after the patch as well...just now they can say "hey i might craft" as well as "i might tr". heh

yep.

[Emizand]

Who is going to put stuff up for roll now?

Is it only me who feels that this thread is a tad ironic when considering the plethora of 'your loot is your loot threads'. Is it now going to be your loot is your loot as long as you dont use it in crafting?

[HAL]

He only mentions two specific pieces of raid loot. And he does not at all address the preposterous notion of grounding up ability tomes. And whats worse is that his post is an extension of the continued "we're not giving ANY hints about the crafting endgame plan."

For all we know, it is their intent to keep recipes with rare, BtC, raid loot in them. And if this is their intent, it will ABSOLUTELY change player behavior when putting loot up for roll.

I bet that the fact that they released these recipes at all means that a lot of players will NOW stop putting these items up for roll on the off chance that some or all of the items will become crafting items at some point in the future.

[Cauthey]

Likely perhaps.

I'm stating definitively that I gave away every piece of BtC loot that I pulled that I did not need before. I literally run raids with my main and have nothing in there that I want except tomes. My main is my crafting toon. My behavior is changing dramatically due to this. Particularly on high value raid loot items which based upon the example here are most likely to be used in high value recipes in the future.

Ha! And good luck winning a roll on tomes. Why? Because there won't be any rolls for tomes! People will loot and crunch up.