When is a Bastard Sword better than a Khopesh?

[fluffybunnywilson]

Everyone knows that a Khopesh is better than a Bastard Sword almost all of the time. There are some situations where a Bastard Sword would be the better choice, though.

If we pretend that our character has a magical feat that grants both Khopesh and Bastard Sword proficiency with just one feat, what are some situations where the Bastard Sword beats the Kopesh. I can think of a few, but I know that some of you are a lot more creative than I am.

1) When you have the full line of THF feats and you don't have the TWF feats, a Bastard Sword and a shield is going to beat a Khopesh + Shield.

2) Against 100% fortification bosses.

3) when you have a very low damage bonus that gets multiplied on a critical hit.

4) When you want to look cool with a straight bladed weapon instead of a goofy looking almost-scimitar.

5) When you have a really nice lootgen weapon in Bastard Sword form, but not in Khopesh Form. A +5 Adamantine Bastard Sword of Greater Construct Bane is a whole lot better than a +5 Flaming Khopesh of Slowburst when you're fighting Iron Golems.

[donfilibuster]

i'm going with 1 and 2, also 3, 4 and 5.

[Ngha]

Pretty sure he's asking what other times are a bastard better than a khopesh.

I'd say...

When a game like DDO starts using mainly cookie cutters for end game.

[uthanak69]

BS versus Khopesh is getting old. The math has been done and Khopesh barely beats BS in DPS. So it actually just depends on whatever you want to use.

[2x4]

6) After elite siegebreaker and after rusty fight and only weapon left is +1 flaming Bastard sword

[Ngha]

6) After elite siegebreaker and after rusty fight and only weapon left is +1 flaming Bastard sword

How many times has this happened to me?

a lot.

[voxson5]

7) against any undead (100% fort trash)

[Anarkius]

8) when you start on a new server (start the game) and dont have 8 gazillion plat to buy 'top notch' khopeshes; since you can buy BS equivalents at a fraction of the cost simply because 'nobody' uses a BS

or

9) are a heavy RP player and its simple personal choice - the khopesh was a regional item (not that it matters in fantasy role play) where the BS or hand-and-a-half sword was much more widespread

:D

[Philibusta]

9) When you see the difference in prices on the Auction House

and

10) When you've seen so many people running around with khopeshes that you're sick of even seeing them.

[parvo]

When they fix it such that it has the reach of a two-hander.

[Failedlegend]

Everyone knows that a Khopesh is better than a Bastard Sword almost all of the time. There are some situations where a Bastard Sword would be the better choice, though.

If we pretend that our character has a magical feat that grants both Khopesh and Bastard Sword proficiency with just one feat, what are some situations where the Bastard Sword beats the Kopesh. I can think of a few, but I know that some of you are a lot more creative than I am.

1) When you have the full line of THF feats and you don't have the TWF feats, a Bastard Sword and a shield is going to beat a Khopesh + Shield.

2) Against 100% fortification bosses.

3) when you have a very low damage bonus that gets multiplied on a critical hit.

4) When you want to look cool with a straight bladed weapon instead of a goofy looking almost-scimitar.

5) When you have a really nice lootgen weapon in Bastard Sword form, but not in Khopesh Form. A +5 Adamantine Bastard Sword of Greater Construct Bane is a whole lot better than a +5 Flaming Khopesh of Slowburst when you're fighting Iron Golems.


Bastard Swords are versatile because you can take the THF line and use either B-Sword & Shield for Tank mode (20% Passive DR & 20% Shield Bash FTW) or a Greatsword for DPS mode since both weapons utilize the THF Line



When they fix it such that it has the reach of a two-hander.

That would be nice :D Also give it the versatile ability it has in PnP (Can be wielded as a 1h+Shield or a 2h with the 2H dealing more damage....the next die step up IIRC)

[Maxelcat]

I agree with this thread.

I have a BS+B build and was asked why.

It looks better. Glancing blows with shield. Dirt cheep to buy on the AH.

[Missing_Minds]

When they fix it such that it has the reach of a two-hander.

Odd.. I've never noticed any reach issues with a BS. Deff with a DA, however. What sort of combat (standing, running, kiting?) were you doing such that you noticed a difference?

#?) You play as a half orc or WF so your weapons look "enhanced" in size.

[Ungood]

9) 10) When you've seen so many people running around with khopeshes that you're sick of even seeing them.

About the only time and even then. it is really not worth it, and you are better off going with a real two handed weapon.

[TimoteoDeLani]

#) When you spec Great Cleave + GTHF + (Improved) Shield Mastery + Improved Shield Bash, thus getting huge numbers of glancing blows in mobs, yet taking greatly reduced damage. *

* I'm trying this build out using the Dwarven Axe on my Dwarf Fighter. So far it's working nicely, though I haven't got Improved Shield Bash on him yet. I do have a truly excellent suit of "battlerager" mithral full plate (red with spiked pauldrons).

[Dexxaan]

When they fix it such that it has the reach of a two-hander.

AND that you can swing it like a Two Hander with (Almost) the same increase in Damage when using Power Attack as all other TwoHanders.

Then it could be considered.... "better".


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[NaturalHazard]

#) When you spec Great Cleave + GTHF + (Improved) Shield Mastery + Improved Shield Bash, thus getting huge numbers of glancing blows in mobs, yet taking greatly reduced damage. *

* I'm trying this build out using the Dwarven Axe on my Dwarf Fighter. So far it's working nicely, though I haven't got Improved Shield Bash on him yet. I do have a truly excellent suit of "battlerager" mithral full plate (red with spiked pauldrons).

have fun

[Palantyr]

I believe a bastard sword is better than a khopesh when you want to use a bastard sword and don't give fug about the other options out there. You have to be careful though, cause using a bastard sword might cause every quest and raid you run to fail since you won't be at 100% max possible dps.

[Ungood]

I believe a bastard sword is better than a khopesh when you want to use a bastard sword and don't give fug about the other options out there. You have to be careful though, cause using a bastard sword might cause every quest and raid you run to fail since you won't be at 100% max possible dps.

Or the Group Leader MY DDO's you, see you are using bastard swords, laughs and declines you. See it's better! You get to work those solo skills! :p

Honestly the only time a Bastard Sword is better then a Kopesh is when you find a Boss Beater and link it to get in a Shroud run and end up using your holy khopesh anyway because that -4 to hit on top of the -4 from power attack, hurts. or maybe you actually use the bastard sword and everyone else carries you though the fight while you stand there swinging trying to look cool without actually doing anything.

But the only time Bastard Sword is going to be Worth the Feat, is when it is your first run to 20th, you know by using this weapon it will be a sign to everyone around you, and will function like a magic beacon for the vets that are willing to pat you on the back thinking it's cute that you are using bastard swords, while saying "Wow, we have an honest new player in the group, let me help them out" and that nifty sword is like this huge banner saying "I am new, I am poor, and I may have no idea what I am doing!" so, while in numbers terms, it may be totally worthless, but still, to the right player, is a good feat investment, because if you are totally new, say it proud with as big a sword as you can.

:D

[Esserbe]

Someone magically coding so you can use bastard swords as a two-handed weapon, with the same bonuses that other two-handers get, would make it a more attractive option AND would make it more exotic.

[mournbladereigns]

#) When you spec Great Cleave + GTHF + (Improved) Shield Mastery + Improved Shield Bash, thus getting huge numbers of glancing blows in mobs, yet taking greatly reduced damage. *

* I'm trying this build out using the Dwarven Axe on my Dwarf Fighter. So far it's working nicely, though I haven't got Improved Shield Bash on him yet. I do have a truly excellent suit of "battlerager" mithral full plate (red with spiked pauldrons).

^^This

also, when you have a GS version versus 100% fort mobs, 2d8 vs 1d10, suck it Khopesh users!

[jwdaniels]

When they fix khopesh and fire the dev that broke them in the first place...

[Memnir]

When I'm having more fun with a Bastard Sword alt then I ever did on a Khopesh alt. :)

[Dilbon]

Someone magically coding so you can use bastard swords as a two-handed weapon, with the same bonuses that other two-handers get, would make it a more attractive option AND would make it more exotic.

Actually that would make it less exotic, since a bastard sword used with two hands is a martial weapon and therefore doesn't require a feat.

[muffinlad]

Actually that would make it less exotic, since a bastard sword used with two hands is a martial weapon and therefore doesn't require a feat.

The idea would be....you still get the SHIELD, but all of the bonuses associated with THF.

That...would make it worth the feat.

The game can't, for what ever reason of coding, support a weapon that is either or. However if you made a BS function as a two hander via boni it offers, and still use a shield, that would make many more folks use them.

Regs,

muffinboard.

[Ulrich_Cassidoris]

I have found that the advantage to bastard swords over kopesh is everyone else is using kopesh so it is easy to find really nice bastard swords. With oversized TWF and a couple of nice bastard swords I have found work fairly nice.

[Phidius]

%) When you enjoy saying "Bastard" more than "Khopesh".

[CoasterHops]

- When they update the epic chimeras fang and you are running around with the marks of the sentinel and an Epic Chimera Fang in both hands or one hand for that matter as in Sword and Board.

[Cyr]

%) When you enjoy saying "Bastard" more than "Khopesh".

* When you can't type "bastard" in your bio due to language filters...that one lasted a really long time.

[LOOON375]

So it actually just depends on whatever you want to use.This.

And a bonus is the cheap price for BS's on the auction house. Hard to beat.

[EllisDee37]

When you need to find silver and cold iron blanks for crafting.

[Aeolwind]

Cause they look no where near as lame.
Glancing blows are pretty.
Vorpal Glancing blows are prettier. When you run up, smack mob 2 in the middle and both his buddies drop dead, you can't help but smile.

[Kinerd]

35. When you want to show everyone how independent you are, kind of like slashing your tires because all the bourgeois drive around on inflated tires, symbolizing their over-developed sense of self-importance and their subconscious distancing from the road; that is, the proletariat on whose backs their (the bourgeois') fortunes are built.

[Philibusta]

Or the Group Leader MY DDO's you, see you are using bastard swords, laughs and declines you. See it's better! You get to work those solo skills! :p

Honestly the only time a Bastard Sword is better then a Kopesh is when you find a Boss Beater and link it to get in a Shroud run and end up using your holy khopesh anyway because that -4 to hit on top of the -4 from power attack, hurts. or maybe you actually use the bastard sword and everyone else carries you though the fight while you stand there swinging trying to look cool without actually doing anything.

But the only time Bastard Sword is going to be Worth the Feat, is when it is your first run to 20th, you know by using this weapon it will be a sign to everyone around you, and will function like a magic beacon for the vets that are willing to pat you on the back thinking it's cute that you are using bastard swords, while saying "Wow, we have an honest new player in the group, let me help them out" and that nifty sword is like this huge banner saying "I am new, I am poor, and I may have no idea what I am doing!" (While khopeshes say "I am a cookie. I do what everyone else does because I want to fit in. I've been playing since launch and I still don't know what I'm doing, displayed by my reluctance to use more than one type of gear.") so, while in numbers terms, it may be totally worthless, but still, to the right player, is a good feat investment, because if you are totally new, say it proud with as big a sword as you can.

:D

(Red text is mine)

#?) When you turn out like this ^ and think the only way to complete a quest is by using the "most uberest best of the best of the best gear cause someone told me so and there can be no other possible way".

Also, khopeshes look stupid. :p

[MaximusParthas]

the obsession with maxed out dps is outrageous. Often pure creativity can be more beneficial than math fu. This is an RPG people. remember that. I can easily see the OCD khopers spending hours explaining to Dryzzt & Wulfgar why the should give up they're scimitars and war hammers in place of khopesh's.
ANY weapon can work if you plan correctly in its application and if it has the necessary procs to maximize its situational usage.
I'm an 18/2 assassin build. my primary weapons are dual epic chimeras and i have nearly the full line of sentinels. My dps is better than khops against undead & 100% forts. I give the entire party a +4 to hit via destruction & another +4 using shatter for a total of +8 to hit party wide. As a rogue this is extremely useful since our bab is already lower. I also proc L2 often and get to use my own resists spells for myself and party members. Because of the sentinel line and a well built maxed 627 hp, 40 str character, I can tank nearly any boss in the game with a 64 intim to assist. And all that because I chose to use bastard swords and planned ahead.
If i had a fighter would i have been better off with khops? yes IF i had a fighter but I don't, so for my build, and with my choice of weapons it works BETTER than if i had khopesh's.
Now, when the updates to epic weapons come along and chimera's become a +10 dominator we'll see how many ppl switch over quickly.