Finding out all the characters one account has in your guild.

[Timmeh1981]

Is there any way for an officer/leader to find out which character in your guild belongs to which account/other characters in your guild? I'm trying to find out which of our inactive characters are just alts and which aren't.

[mws2970]

Not that I am aware of.

[eris2323]

Is there any way for an officer/leader to find out which character in your guild belongs to which account/other characters in your guild? I'm trying to find out which of our inactive characters are just alts and which aren't.

No, the only way is to ask people.

Every time someone asks for powers like this the 'community' of ddo forum posters is against it.

(I'm not, I think Turbine should give us MUCH more control and information about our guilds; if you're going to charge renown decay, I'd like to see who is contributing and not, myself)

[kratimas]

No there is not. But there are many threads on the subject. Some people want this built in and others think it is the worst idea ever.

There was a thread raging on just a day or two ago about this, I will try to find it and link it later if I get time.

[Crazyfruit]

Ask your guild members to tell you who their alts are?

Some sites, like guildportal, let you all sign up and keep a roster.

It's better to leave people inactive than kicking them out.

[mournbladereigns]

in-game mail?

and yeah, guild site with roster.

[Silverwren]

Ask your guild members to tell you who their alts are?

Attention all members of my guild! Please send me an email listing all of your alternate characters because I REALLY want to read 250-400 individual mails AND keep track of all of your alts if you delete them/re-roll them/re-enter them into the guild.

No offense intended Crazyfruit, but your suggestion is a little impractical, especially if a guild is like ours with around 700 members.


in-game mail?

This goes down another road, with many postings in other threads too numerous to list here.

[Musouka]

Attention all members of my guild! Please send me an email listing all of your alternate characters because I REALLY want to read 250-400 individual mails AND keep track of all of your alts if you delete them/re-roll them/re-enter them into the guild.

No offense intended Crazyfruit, but your suggestion is a little impractical, especially if a guild is like ours with around 700 members.

You seriously have 250-700 members, or characters? You wont receive mail for every single alt.

[Anneliese]

nm

[Silverwren]

You seriously have 250-700 members, or characters? You wont receive mail for every single alt.

Our guild has around 700 characters at present. If we say that there are an average of three toons per account (which is probably not too far off reality) then we get approximately 233 accounts (700 divided by 3). The larger guilds with 700-1000 characters would obviously have more accounts.

My point was: That's a lot of mail for the guild leader to have to sort through, and then he or she would have to keep track of any changes made in the roster from that point on, which means mail coming in.....what......weekly?....monthly?...... I dunno. I suppose it could be done, but it would be a bit time consuming, and would bite into available questing time, know what I mean?

[LoneWolfie]

Our guild has around 700 characters at present. If we say that there are an average of three toons per account (which is probably not too far off reality) then we get approximately 233 accounts (700 divided by 3). The larger guilds with 700-1000 characters would obviously have more accounts.

My point was: That's a lot of mail for the guild leader to have to sort through, and then he or she would have to keep track of any changes made in the roster from that point on, which means mail coming in.....what......weekly?....monthly?...... I dunno. I suppose it could be done, but it would be a bit time consuming, and would bite into available questing time, know what I mean?

if you have 233 people active in your guild and can't find an officer who will help keep up with that... that's a **** guild lol

[Cendaer]

My point was: That's a lot of mail for the guild leader to have to sort through, and then he or she would have to keep track of any changes made in the roster from that point on, which means mail coming in.....what......weekly?....monthly?...... I dunno. I suppose it could be done, but it would be a bit time consuming, and would bite into available questing time, know what I mean?

http://www.guildportal.com/

If a guild is that large, and out of over 200 people, no one has the gumption to administer a guildportal site for its members to use for communication and record-keeping, then that guild has issues which are more important then tracking who's alt is who's.

If a leader is unwilling to actually lead, one can't help but wonder why anyone is following them.

[Bargol]

One way to tell is to myddo the toon name. This can let you see all of the alts on a particular account, unless of course they are listed as anon.

As an example click on a toon in my signature and then my account name for a list of all my toons. As a side note I don't understand why some people are anon. on myddo.

[Propane]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=321649

I touched on this subject (for a different reason) a few days ago...

[Silverwren]

http://www.guildportal.com/

If a guild is that large, and out of over 200 people, no one has the gumption to administer a guildportal site for its members to use for communication and record-keeping, then that guild has issues which are more important then tracking who's alt is who's.

Guildportal? Who was talking about a Guildportal? We were discussing everyone in the guild sending mail to the leader (or someone) all at once.

There's a script here. Please follow it (insert happy face here, I have no idea how to do it)


if you have 233 people active in your guild and can't find an officer who will help keep up with that... that's a **** guild lol

OK, I elect you. Please come to the Orion server and join The Ancient Guardians. I will change the Message of the Day and tell all of our members to send a list of all their alts to you and you can do the job. Thanks for volunteering! (again, insert happy face here, for aforementioned reason)

[Noopleh]

Guildportal? Who was talking about a Guildportal? We were discussing everyone in the guild sending mail to the leader (or someone) all at once.

There's a script here. Please follow it (insert happy face here, I have no idea how to do it)



OK, I elect you. Please come to the Orion server and join The Ancient Guardians. I will change the Message of the Day and tell all of our members to send a list of all their alts to you and you can do the job. Thanks for volunteering! (again, insert happy face here, for aforementioned reason)

Huzzah! One more to the Guild!

Oh wait, that was sarcasm?!

[Silverwren]

Huzzah! One more to the Guild!

Oh wait, that was sarcasm?!

/sarcasm on

Nah, none whatsoever. I was totally serious.

/sarcasm off

[Dysmetria]

Is there any way for an officer/leader to find out which character in your guild belongs to which account/other characters in your guild? I'm trying to find out which of our inactive characters are just alts and which aren't.You can ask them to email you lists of all their characters. You can set up some kind of guild website to track it. You can look them up on their myddo pages. You can keep track of who logs out and in on a different character.

All those will help you track which characters belong to the same account, but none will tell you for sure unless those players purposely want to disclose that information. Some prefer to keep it private.

The best policy is if you are short on room, ditch the inactives and their mains still in the guild can ask for them to be readmitted if/when they start playing them again. If you are not near the character cap for your guild, then don't worry about inactive characters/accounts till you are.

[Cendaer]

Guildportal? Who was talking about a Guildportal? We were discussing everyone in the guild sending mail to the leader (or someone) all at once.

Precisely my point.

It is up to the leader of the guild to administer their guild.

Rather than asking the community-at-large to solve the problem, the guild should be asking their leader why available tools (such as guildportal) are not being used to track membership and provide members with an out-of-game means to communicate with each other.

A large guild should have some semblance of organization and leadership, otherwise it's nothing more than a large-scale guild renown-farming operation.

If the leader of the guild will not actually lead the guild, and request the information in question from the members, then perhaps the members should take it upon themselves to provide that information to the leader, by every means available to them.

After receiving this information, if the guild leader still fails to act, then the members of the guild should be questioning whether or not their leader is atually worth following, rather than questioning why the game doesn't make this information more readily available.

tl;dr: If a guild leader was actually interested in gathering such information and using it effectively, they would have already been doing it, using the well-established tools which are already available, rather than waiting for the devs to provide a system to do it for them.

[Daggertooth]

Yeah.. and.. and ... why can't Turbine give Guild Leaders access to member's personal information like home address, phone number and email.. I mean after all they are the Guild Leader right?

On a more serious note, this will never happen, its a matter of account privacy.

[Timmeh1981]

Thank you all for your suggestions.

We've had a website set up for over a month now, but not everyone is registered on it yet. I've made a simple spreadsheet to crossreference alts and such of known people, but it's gotten to the point where it's basically just guesswork.

I really think having the ability to add notes or somesuch ingame in the guild member list wouldn't be too much to ask for. Everquest 1 had this, I'm sure WoW does too. This would still allow people to keep their privacy, but not force me to use a lot of out of game tools to do something simple like this.

[Jiirix]

It dont has to be a guild website. A google spread sheet and a link to it in the "guild message of the day" does fine. Player name, main, alts, (mules), flagged raids > done.

[Bloodstealer]

http://www.guildportal.com/

If a guild is that large, and out of over 200 people, no one has the gumption to administer a guildportal site for its members to use for communication and record-keeping, then that guild has issues which are more important then tracking who's alt is who's.

If a leader is unwilling to actually lead, one can't help but wonder why anyone is following them.

^This for the most part.

If a guild leader wants to take the churn and burn route to guild renown, then unfortuantely that leader needs to organise things a little better and put out some communication where all are able to use and be involved.

Personally I prefer a smaller guild where everyone knows who everyone is, we talk, we quest as a guild and even communicate outside of the game... makes the job of running a guild alot simpler, alot smoother and actually pretty good fun for us all...

[mournbladereigns]

Precisely my point.

It is up to the leader of the guild to administer their guild.

Rather than asking the community-at-large to solve the problem, the guild should be asking their leader why available tools (such as guildportal) are not being used to track membership and provide members with an out-of-game means to communicate with each other.

A large guild should have some semblance of organization and leadership, otherwise it's nothing more than a large-scale guild renown-farming operation.

If the leader of the guild will not actually lead the guild, and request the information in question from the members, then perhaps the members should take it upon themselves to provide that information to the leader, by every means available to them.

After receiving this information, if the guild leader still fails to act, then the members of the guild should be questioning whether or not their leader is atually worth following, rather than questioning why the game doesn't make this information more readily available.

tl;dr: If a guild leader was actually interested in gathering such information and using it effectively, they would have already been doing it, using the well-established tools which are already available, rather than waiting for the devs to provide a system to do it for them.

Have to agree, its up to the guild leadership to crack the whip. Join the site, add your alts to Roster, pay attention to guild messages. 3rd party guild forums give outside static resource to handle this stuff. Its about guild culture and having active guild. And guild members who care enough to be that active & involved in guild.

Otherwise, I'm just here for the buffs.

[Silverwren]

Rather than asking the community-at-large to solve the problem, the guild should be asking their leader why available tools (such as guildportal) are not being used to track membership and provide members with an out-of-game means to communicate with each other.

I disagree. Your solution is to use a guild website that is out-of-game. In my experience, guild web sites go over big for a couple of weeks and then fizzle out. The last guild I was in had a guildportal website (and they were a big guild too) and most of the time only 3 or 4 people actually used it.

We need something in-game, and that's not really asking for too much.

By the way, the only way using an out-of-the-game website to keep track of everyone in a guild and all their alts would work is if EVERYONE in the guild used it. Not everyone will, and you can't MAKE everyone sign up for it. Therefore, IMO, using a website to solve to OP's original problem won't work.

[stoerm]

In game mail is for one-to-one communication, MOTD is for one-to-many communication.

MOTD:

Reminder: UberGuild has an inactivity policy of 2 months. July 1st is our quarterly purge day. All characters that have not logged in since May 1st will be kicked from UberGuild. Make sure you log in on each of your UberGuild characters at least once during the next weeks. Happy hunting!

Your benevolent dictator,
xyx

[Silverwren]

In game mail is for one-to-one communication, MOTD is for one-to-many communication.

MOTD:

Reminder: UberGuild has an inactivity policy of 2 months. July 1st is our quarterly purge day. All characters that have not logged in since May 1st will be kicked from UberGuild. Make sure you log in on each of your UberGuild characters at least once during the next weeks. Happy hunting!

Your benevolent dictator,
xyx

Yup, I'm afraid you missed it. The OP's question was how to track players and all their alternate characters easily so alts (that were otherwise part of an active account) didn't get booted accidentally.

Afterward, mayhem/chaos and a lively debate ensued.

/sarcasm on

BTW, I like your MOTD but it might be a little too long. As we all know, the MOTD is limited to twelve characters or less.

/sarcasm off

[stoerm]

Yup, I'm afraid you missed it. The OP's question was how to track players and all their alternate characters easily so alts (that were otherwise part of an active account) didn't get booted accidentally.

Afterward, mayhem/chaos and a lively debate ensued.

/sarcasm on

BTW, I like your MOTD but it might be a little too long. As we all know, the MOTD is limited to twelve characters or less.

/sarcasm off

LOL, can tell we don't use MOTD in our guild of 3 RL friends. :)

I don't think I missed to point, though. Why run some laborious and inevitably out of date accounting scheme when you can just have a simple policy that everybody knows and understands? No login for X days -> character booted. Nothing accidental or unpredictable about it.

Fixed MOTD: Reminder - every day is purge day!

[Silverwren]

I don't think I missed to point, though. Why run some laborious and inevitably out of date accounting scheme when you can just have a simple policy that everybody knows and understands? No login for X days -> character booted. Nothing accidental or unpredictable about it.

Fixed MOTD: Reminder - every day is purge day!

Isn't renown decay linked to an ACCOUNT, not a CHARACTER? I thought I read that somewhere, but I might be wrong (and feel free to correct me if I am). So if the idea is to minimize renown decay by getting rid of inactive ACCOUNTS and you miss one of the characters attached to that account, then renown decay from that inactive account still affects the guild.

Am I way off base here? I might be, it's been known to happen. Someone more knowledgeable than I needs to chime in.

[Cendaer]

I disagree. Your solution is to use a guild website that is out-of-game. In my experience, guild web sites go over big for a couple of weeks and then fizzle out. The last guild I was in had a guildportal website (and they were a big guild too) and most of the time only 3 or 4 people actually used it.

Then those 3 or 4 people should have been the ONLY people allowed to be members of that guild. If people are unwilling to communicate with each other, then why invite them into a guild in the first place?

That guild you were in, was obviously more interested in quantity rather than quality.


We need something in-game, and that's not really asking for too much.

Actually, yes, it really is. Personally, I don't believe the servers need to be running such intensive processes as cross-referencing every character to an account, and then cross-referencing THAT with which characters are in what guilds.

It's superfluous information that most people wouldn't use in-game anyway. The guild you referenced above would likely be a prime example of who would NOT use that information even if it were presented to them on a golden platter.

Aside from that, any guild leader who IS interested in tracking such information, is ALREADY doing so, on their own, probably using more detailed systems than Turbine would provide anyway.


By the way, the only way using an out-of-the-game website to keep track of everyone in a guild and all their alts would work is if EVERYONE in the guild used it. Not everyone will, and you can't MAKE everyone sign up for it. Therefore, IMO, using a website to solve to OP's original problem won't work.

Sure it would, if the leader grew a set and required it as a stipulation for membership. If you want to be a member, you sign up on the guild website, and provide all the information the leader of the guild requires of you. If you do not comply, you are not allowed to be a member. It really is that simple.

What you're talking about adding, is nothing more than a crutch for lazy/disengaged guild leaders (who likely wouldn't use it anyway), and IMO, people should never follow lazy or disengaged leaders.

[MrkGrismer]

BTW, I like your MOTD but it might be a little too long. As we all know, the MOTD is limited to twelve characters or less.

I'm pretty sure it is more than twelve characters, I've put some long ones in.

Interestingly enough: http://my.ddo.com/codeshaper/2011/01/31/the-shape-of-the-code-silence/#comments


Remember that, as always, these times are based on character inactivity, not account inactivity. So if you’re a leader who’s been playing an alt for 34 days, you might want to play the leader again!

Of course, in that same post he states "Guild renown now properly ignores encumbrance and full inventory." which we all know is patently false.

[werk]

As a guild leader, I can tell you how I manage it.

Our first rule is that all characters must be added to the roster on our guild website before they get an invite. Communication of information. As long as you make it clear what is expected, there is no problem.


Then I just go through the the in-game guild list and reconcile against the roster, punting anyone that isn't on the roster.


People do sneak in...just not for long.

[fluffybunnywilson]

The best method that I have seen is to ask guild members to list their characters in a character roster.

If you REALLY want to know who is in your guild, then you can also let them know that any characters that aren't on the roster by a certain date will be /kicked from the guild.

[Silverwren]

Then those 3 or 4 people should have been the ONLY people allowed to be members of that guild. If people are unwilling to communicate with each other, then why invite them into a guild in the first place?

Sure it would, if the leader grew a set and required it as a stipulation for membership. If you want to be a member, you sign up on the guild website, and provide all the information the leader of the guild requires of you. If you do not comply, you are not allowed to be a member. It really is that simple.

So let me see if I've got this straight. Your solution to the problem originally proposed is.....DICTATORSHIP????? :eek: Mandate that everyone in your guild sign up for a website or get voted off the island?

Yeah, great solution, if you live in Venezuela or Libya. I live in America, which is, as far as I know, still semi-free. If I were a member of your guild and you tried pulling that on me I'd be out so fast it'd make your head spin, and you'd have a very small guild very quickly.

[fluffybunnywilson]

So let me see if I've got this straight. Your solution to the problem originally proposed is.....DICTATORSHIP????? :eek: Mandate that everyone in your guild sign up for a website or get voted off the island?

Yeah, great solution, if you live in Venezuela or Libya. I live in America, which is, as far as I know, still semi-free. If I were a member of your guild and you tried pulling that on me I'd be out so fast it'd make your head spin, and you'd have a very small guild very quickly.

That's the nice thing about freedom of association. You get to be in a guild with lots of people who have a more loose connection and Cendaer gets to be in a guild where people are much more interested in communication and organized activities.

Saying that you want one style of guild over another isn't a sign of dictatorship - it's an expression of preference.

[RudeIota]

It is up to the leader of the guild to administer their guild. Rather than asking the community-at-large to solve the problem, the guild should be asking their leader why available tools (such as guildportal) are not being used to track membership and provide members with an out-of-game means to communicate with each other.


Ultimately, being forced to use tools like Guildportal is a failure of DDO. Granted -- currently -- a GOOD, responsible guild leader will sacrifice their time to maintain something like Guildportal, but why should leaders HAVE to? Why is everyone criticizing this guy? Why not take this opportunity to come up with BETTER solutions to throw at the devs in Suggestions?


Yeah.. and.. and ... why can't Turbine give Guild Leaders access to member's personal information like home address, phone number and email.. I mean after all they are the Guild Leader right?
Having a command or interface that groups guildies according to their alts -- with no mention of the alts outside that guild or their actual account name -- seems pretty harmless.


YOn a more serious note, this will never happen, its a matter of account privacy.

If Turbine cared about your privacy, MYDDO would not be opt-out... It would be opt-in. They might even do things like allow you to login as "invisible" etc... but I digress.

[Silverwren]

Saying that you want one style of guild over another isn't a sign of dictatorship - it's an expression of preference.

I agree with this statement.

Mandating that everyone under your leadership do anything and everything you tell them to do or face punishment, however, is dictatorship, and that is what Cendaer proposed.

In an effort to quell further arguments regarding this, I will say this: Cendaer can run his guild any way he wants, and I'll stay as far away from it as I can.

[fluffybunnywilson]

Mandating that everyone under your leadership do anything and everything you tell them to do or face punishment, however, is dictatorship, and that is what Cendaer proposed.

Mandating that everyone under your leadership do anything and everything tht you tell them to do or face punishment is dictatorship.

Setting up reasonable guild guidelines and then expecting guild members to follow those established guild guidelines is not dictatorship. Getting a ticket for not wearing your seat belt is not a sign that you live in a dictatorship. Having your car impounded for driving without a license is not a sign that you live in a dictatorship.

I would expect everyone who wants to be in my guild to apply for membership to the guild through the guild's website. If you don't want to apply through the guild's website, then you don't have to do so, but I don't believe that we're taking mail-in guild applications that are postmarked later than Just 1, 2008. I might be wrong on that date.

Is my guild a dictatorship because we expect people to apply for guild membership and because we expect them to do so through the guild's website?

[Cendaer]

Ultimately, being forced to use tools like Guildportal is a failure of DDO.

By that standard, most MMO's would have to be considered failures.


Granted -- currently -- a GOOD, responsible guild leader will sacrifice their time to maintain something like Guildportal, but why should leaders HAVE to?

I'm not saying anyone HAS to. I'm saying a GOOD, responsible guild LEADER will actually be a LEADER, and not wait for someone else to do the work for them.IMO, anything less than that is not an actual leader at all, but merely the head of renown-churning monster.

Even if such a feature as is being discussed is implemented, it will likely not be better than what a good leader is already using.


Why is everyone criticizing this guy? Why not take this opportunity to come up with BETTER solutions to throw at the devs in Suggestions?

Not critizing this guy, just the notion that more load needs to be added to the servers, and more programming being coded, for something superfluous.

Besides, if trimming your guild's roster is that big of a deal, then why not keep it simple by setting a standard, establishing a plan, and then executing said plan?

It only takes 3 steps:

1) Guild MOTD: ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS: On Sunday, June 19, 2011, your benevolent leader will be culling the roster! As of that date, any character which has NOT been logged on for more than 2 months will be removed from the roster!

2) Wait until June 19, 2011.

3) Remove any characters from the guild roster which have not been logged on for more than 2 months.

If the members of your guild do not want to share information such as the names of each of their alts, there's probably a reason(s) for it.

[Yazeemax]

Yes ther is a way, if it works for U, go to My DDo and put ur guild name in the search box. Then using the drop down change from charactor to guild. On the left is a list of guild members, click on the guild member and see who made it. but that is a long and slow process hope You are ready to devote some time.

[Ashlayna]

Despite all the bickering back and forth, there is a really simple, free way to do this. Get a Team Speak server. There is a not so free method as well, that is also very effective, get a Vent server. In another F2P MMO, we used Skype. This makes keeping track of who's who so much simpler. Vent even has TTS, for people that don't have mics so that they can type, and it actually speaks what they type, if others have it enabled. Frankly, I'm not sure how guilds function w/out one of these. The ingame voice program is trash, and doesn't work for guilds anyway, unless they're in a group. Some people are really loud, others I can't hear them even if I blast both the volume of my speakers and my sound card. All of these established voice programs have a way to individually adjust volume, so you can set your system volume to one level, leave it, and adjust players to suit your settings.

We used a Vent server in my last MMO, and while not everyone logged into it when they were just in game crafting, it made keeping track of who was who's alt a lot simpler. Of course we didn't have to worry about renown decay, so cleaning the guild was more a convenience than "ZOMG, pwnyou has been inactive for months, and it's costing us". A dedicated voice chat is really nice for getting, and keeping guilds closer.

[Such755]

Support:
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