What's the over/under on a random pugger actually making it to the quest pre lvl 10?

[dingal]

I'm currently level 5 on a TR and every LFM I've posted has been BYOH (Spelled out for folks that may not know what BYOH means), Zerg etc. and up till now I'd say 80% of the people that have hit my LFM's have not made it into the quest for a variety of reasons.

1. Can't find it
2. P2P
3. Inexplicably in a dungeon but not the one I'm in
4. Who knows....

Those that do make it in seem to do so only to die and cost me 10% XP. Normally I'm about as helpful as one can get, bringing new players along and showing them the ropes but this TR I've been rather impatient and just want to get the early quests completed quickly and smoothly and it's pretty irritating when you spend money on XP pots and someone doesn't read the LFM, joins and dies instantly, effectively costing you money.

Today I was running Catacombs and out of 7 people to hit the LFM 2 actually made it into the quest. One was a solid player, did well and the other died to a trap within 20 seconds (not even kidding) of entering the dungeon.

Everyone is new sometime and I've always been a champion of the newer player and anti-elitism but man I'm really getting my patience tested lately.

Now that I've gotten that off my chest I'll go back to being Mr. Nice Guy. I just needed to vent.

[ProdigalGuru]

Shrplz

What house is Catacombs in?

[sirgog]

Just post an LFM that says:

'XP farming - TRs and elitist jerks only - send a /tell before hitting join'

I've started using this LFM, it works.

[thegreatneil]

Wait, people group before GH?

[dingal]

Just post an LFM that says:

'XP farming - TRs and elitist jerks only - send a /tell before hitting join'

I've started using this LFM, it works.

lol I may have to. I'm by no means an elitist but I'm certainly a "readist" and I get irritated when people don't read what I've put in the LFM panel.

Yesterday I was running depths on normal and I had levels 4-5 only and a level 7 hits the lfm right as we were finishing the last part. I always make it a point to respond to folks that hit my lfm so I told him "We just finished and I also noticed you're above the level of my LFM" to which he responds "the quest level says level 4-6". I couldn't pass up the opportunity to point out that he was in fact level 7. It's bad enough that I have to listen to someone telling me how to form my groups but on top of that he can't even get his own argument right.

[dingal]

Wait, people group before GH?

I group for 1 of 3 reasons early on.

1. Door farming
2. As a courtesy to anyone that wants to tag along and get some xp
3. Grouping with friends

[Morosy]

Wait, people group before GH?

Why wouldn't you, it's faster. Unless of course you're partying with people like the OP was.

[thegreatneil]

Why wouldn't you, it's faster. Unless of course you're partying with people like the OP was.

If your window farming (or with guildies perhaps) its faster.

If you waiting on randoms to:
*Find the quest
*Get ship buffs
*Shop
*Craft
*Stop being stupid

It would be faster to solo / or grab a hireling.

[altrocks]

Why wouldn't you, it's faster. Unless of course you're partying with people like the OP was.

Not always. For vets and TRs who are twinked out it can be a lot quicker to solo until you hit some of bigger/tougher quests. And about half the toons under level ten are like the OPs group.

[ProdigalGuru]

Did u shr? Shr agin plz.

I am in Hse J, dont c Catacom

[Gkar]

Your story reminds me a Depths BYOH pug I joined earlier today. One fighter in the group died repeatedly, including once "because I had acid on me so I couldn't stop it". I brought him to a shrine once, and he charge off into battle to battle right away with his 10 hp...and died. I asked him if he had potions. "no, that's why you have clerics". Um... no...and we don't.

At the end of the chain as he was quitting I asked him if he was new (thinking he was too broke or didn't know about pots I was going to make a donation) and he said "no, been playing quite a while" and dropped. Yeah, that's scarey. So either a REALLY bad player or a new guy who is afraid to admit he is new and thus will never learn or get help.



Why wouldn't you, it's faster. Unless of course you're partying with people like the OP was.

It USED to be faster. But I find that ever since they added dungeon scaling its usually faster and easier and less resourse intensive to solo than to group.

Pre L14 or so, I only group in quests that require it (4 platforms in XC, etc) or when I'm looking for company (I still feel this in theory SHOULD be a social game).

It almost never makes things easier or faster.

(That btw is one reason why they never should have put in dungeon scaling, one of the top 5 bad decisions for this game)

[dingal]

Regarding grouping, I never wait. All of my LFM's are IP. If you get there you get there, otherwise I'm moving on.

The more irritating thing about the guy dying 20 seconds after he stepped in earlier was that I completed the quest within a few seconds of him dying :rolleyes:

[Syllph]

Honestly I would just grab a pocket hire and go to town. Until about level 10 or so I've seen little to no point in bringing a pug. I'll happily take some TR buddies and speed run (read: zerg) but if they are not around, my pocket has an uncanny ability to not run out of SP and can magically teleport to me (oh how I wish that pug who says he's lost could just teleport to me too)

Not a very helpful post but an honest one. If you have the gear to support yourself just buy 99 CSW pots and 99 haste pots and off you go until about the sands.

Note: Spell check tells me -teleport- is spelled incorrectly....

[kublaikhanx]

its easier to just be an *** when people join and ask for a share for a quest that u have to pass the quest giver to get to entrance *BOOT. The other toons in party usually get a laugh out of it and it learns some peeps (not others I know).

[Surcus1]

Oh, Dingal...you have become an elitist:)

[protokon]

welcome to the pugging community as an overgeared, overpowered and overprepared TR. Being on my 6th life, I can tell you it does NOT get any better. My advice, get a partner to level with. 99% of the content can be done with 2 people, with the occasional quest needed a few more (xorian cypher comes to mind, and one of the bloody crypts).

Dismiss is your friend, it may seem harsh at first but you have to remember, it saves both you and the illiterate moron that joined your group both a headache.

[kublaikhanx]

oh yeah pug when feeling down. "It increases EGO" lol. Side not; Its downright funny to be **** near passed out drunk and out killing everything on a clonk.

[voodoogroves]

I group to meet new people, though I admit I'm guilty of pugging less on on my more recent TRs. 3 guildmates and we know we can zerg cursed crypt or wiz king. Pugging it out seems like such a chore. That group of toons is kinda all around the same level; I need to spin up another toon or TR to play through the lower level content in PUGs I guess.

[fluffybunnywilson]

Shar plz.
Wat hous?
ship invit plz

Why no cleric? We can't do without cleric. Noob. You fail.
[pugger has left your party]

[fluffybunnywilson]

Actually, I PUG quite a bit. I don't PUG anything except Deleras and VoN under level 10, but I've generally had good experience with those.

The part that really makes me not PUG under level 10 is that I can't stand to sit around picking my nose while the PUG fills and then sit around some more while people spend 5+ mintues between each quest selling and repairing.

That's one of the nice things about XP farming and running chains. There's some pressure from the game itself to continue running quests instead of wandering off for inventory management.

[Lissyl]

Seems like we have an entire thread of people who have, to a person, seriously offended the Gods of Karma! =O

I'd make amends quickly if I were you, because the normal pugging experience doesn't end up like that for most people. Oh sure, some do...but not many.

I can see some people not making it into some of the Catacombs. I'm not a TR and can do some quests in that chain in under 2 minutes, c'mon. People may be on the far side of the harbor and without striding boots, it's not a 4 second run. They don't run all the way to the entrance before hitting the LFM. What are the odds of a 'random pugger' knowing where any quest is? Seriously? Probably about the same as you knowing where the White Jungle Ape is on Tortage after a whole hour of playing Conan. Or knowing where in Teldrassil the satyr that warriors have to fight is in WoW. Once you've run the whole thing, you know where things are (or should!). I'd wager most people could make it into Gwylan's before you solo cleared it (depending on your gear and class), but probably not Cartamon's Interests.

The only puggers that really annoy me are the ones who won't stick with the group ~and don't know what they're doing~ (as opposed to, say, a TR or other vet/experienced player). Particularly if they want to be the one to open the trapped chest the second they arrive, or pull that lever (you know 'that lever'...like the one in Delara's? :D ). But I really don't even see them that often.

I'm pretty happy to report that, to the best of my recollection, since my return here a month ago I've failed to complete a staggering one quest. Even had the ~Perfect~ Tear of Dhakaan, a quest that used to scare me a little, on elite with a full non-guild pug. No one ever even got below half health, despite 3 people missing 'the jump'. The puggers, as a whole, seem better than they were when I left. Maybe it's just G-land.

[dingal]

oh, Dingal...you Have Become An Elitist:)

Noooooooooo

[dingal]

Seems like we have an entire thread of people who have, to a person, seriously offended the Gods of Karma! =O

I'd make amends quickly if I were you, because the normal pugging experience doesn't end up like that for most people. Oh sure, some do...but not many.

I can see some people not making it into some of the Catacombs. I'm not a TR and can do some quests in that chain in under 2 minutes, c'mon. People may be on the far side of the harbor and without striding boots, it's not a 4 second run. They don't run all the way to the entrance before hitting the LFM. What are the odds of a 'random pugger' knowing where any quest is? Seriously? Probably about the same as you knowing where the White Jungle Ape is on Tortage after a whole hour of playing Conan. Or knowing where in Teldrassil the satyr that warriors have to fight is in WoW. Once you've run the whole thing, you know where things are (or should!). I'd wager most people could make it into Gwylan's before you solo cleared it (depending on your gear and class), but probably not Cartamon's Interests.

The only puggers that really annoy me are the ones who won't stick with the group ~and don't know what they're doing~ (as opposed to, say, a TR or other vet/experienced player). Particularly if they want to be the one to open the trapped chest the second they arrive, or pull that lever (you know 'that lever'...like the one in Delara's? :D ). But I really don't even see them that often.

I'm pretty happy to report that, to the best of my recollection, since my return here a month ago I've failed to complete a staggering one quest. Even had the ~Perfect~ Tear of Dhakaan, a quest that used to scare me a little, on elite with a full non-guild pug. No one ever even got below half health, despite 3 people missing 'the jump'. The puggers, as a whole, seem better than they were when I left. Maybe it's just G-land.

I wasn't talking about them not getting there in time for me to complete, that's no biggie and can happen to vets and new players alike.

[Lissyl]

I wasn't talking about them not getting there in time for me to complete, that's no biggie and can happen to vets and new players alike.

*self-deprecating laugh*

Alrighty, I guess I was the only one who didn't catch that. Can I get excused because I was in the hospital half the day? :)

I was like...yah, of course some people aren't going to make it...I'm reminded of the time I tried to make a quest in Necro from the Harbor. Guild ship teleporting helps...depending on where you're going...but I don't get what the expectation is! (Yes, that's a 'coherent' thought process for me. Fear!)

Anyways, here's to hoping you get some better pugs soon. :)

[Esserbe]

I'd wager most people could make it into Gwylan's before you solo cleared it (depending on your gear and class), but probably not Cartamon's Interests.

Both Gwylans and the Wayward Lobster are marked on the map.

The people that hit an lfm and within a second of joining say "shr" or "what quest" or "what house", when the quest is marked on the LFM, don't use the map OR read LFM details. Those aren't new players as much as they are aggravating players.

I don't mind new players, I do mind players that refuse to learn.

And maybe it is because it's galaland. Argo is first in the alphabetical order, after all.