Just a friendly suggestion...

[mobrien316]

I know things get busy once you start a quest, but…

If you are running a chain of quests and you decide not to wait to fill up the group, please take a moment to change the LFM to indicate that you are now “in progress.”

At the very least, if you get an offer to join, at that point mention that you are in progress, especially if you are two minutes away from completing the last quest in a four-quest chain. Having the sixth person join, stop what he’s doing, run to the quest giver to get the quests, and then run to the entrance only to have you say that you just finished is a bit inconsiderate.

Thank you.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

I've joined a string of these lately. It doesn't bug me all that much- at least if I'm not gonna actually get to run the quest it's not wasting much of my time, but it'd be nice to know I don't actually have to run and grab spell components or banked stuff or whatever.

[Setin_Myways]

I think the 'In progress' is in order, especially when the party is not full. I think this happens all too often, you see an lfm with 3 open spots, join, get your ship buffs and all of a sudden you notice everyone's red bars are going down.

'Excuse me, are you guys already in the quest?'
'Yes, and you should hurry before we complete'.

you would think someone would mention they were in progress as soon as you join... and personally, I do no want to run my first time on elite at level with a -80% for coming late... kind defeats the whole +50% bonus.

So is it rude to drop a party after you join and find they are in progress like this? Fixing the lfm is generally beneficial for all involved. I am not saying there are not times when i want to join an almost complete quest, if i am favor running for example.

[Silverwren]

So is it rude to drop a party after you join and find they are in progress like this?

In my opinion, it's not at all rude. It's your character, and if you choose to leave a group after finding out the quest is almost over I feel you have every right to do so.

[azrael4h]

This is why I look at whose in the group, and see where they are at. I know if they are in progress or not, no matter whether they listed it in the lfm or not. I also see if anyone who is on my blacklist in in that group. Not often, as my blacklist is rather short, but still.

[exvanguard]

when u look at the lfm u can see where each member is currently standing. even if u don't know the dungeon zone name, if u don't see them all in the marketplace, harbor, stormglory bolt, etc chances are they are in the quest

[KillEveryone]

I do try to update my LFM but sometimes I forget.

[Setin_Myways]

when u look at the lfm u can see where each member is currently standing. even if u don't know the dungeon zone name, if u don't see them all in the marketplace, harbor, stormglory bolt, etc chances are they are in the quest

do you do that by mousing over each member? I should have thought of that. Thanks for the tip!

[Drfirewater79]

Generally speaking most do exactly what the OP is talking about.
Generally they even change the quest name from quest to quest ...

I can't tell you how many times (especially since M9 aka EU ) I have been running lowbies through deleras put up the lfm saying in progress changed the quest to part two or three then had someone join and say "oh sorry i thought you where on the first part" ... hello did you read the lfm before clicking on it? or did you read deleras and jump in without reading the details?

Also i can say the majority of people at low level who are TRs or other wise ... are more then happy to repeat the quest chains like deleras and tangleroot and some others (with the exception of maybe thernal and even that now is a cake walk compared to the exp debt days) because the exp is generally great or the quests are fast and the at level loot is worth its weight especially now that its mainly bound to account.

Now i am sure that some people just plain forget to change the lfm .. or thought they took the lfm down and actually didnt. Sith happens right?

But seriously, its up the the JOINEE to ask the questions too. Its a two way streak. If your worried that a chain quest might be in progress but not stated (a good tell sign is when you see one of the party members is a hireling cleric) just ask before joining. "Hey are you guys in progress? No, cool [hit lfm]" or "Hey you guys in progress? yes, are you wililng to redo the earlier parts so i can get end reward?" then yes [hit lfm] or no [start your own group].

There isnt a quest before desert or maybe giant hold that ANYONE of any class type with any amount of at level gear couldnt beat solo with a companion on normal in this game. If your a healer or support (like bard) you can get a tank companion .. if your dps in any fashion hireling clerics are more then enough to keep you alive...if i could solo to lvl 15 on a undergeared (as in no greensteel weapons) TR barbarian staying in full rage including frenzy and solo to lvl 18 before requiring a party to complete quests .. then you can too. It just takes a little faith in your hirelings and innitiative to start your own groups.

The sad truth is .. if they are in progress .. they dont really care if YOU join them or not. If YOU want to join them .. its up to YOU to ask the questions or set the requirements for you participation and up to them to accept them or move on without you.

[MartinusWyllt]

It could be nice to have something like an "on-air" light indicating the quest is in progress (where if quest in LFM=active then turn on "in progress" light)...though it is easy to tell, as mentioned, where everyone is on an open LFM and respond accordingly.

I try to make sure that I stop a few minutes from completion to turn the LFM off and/or prep it for the next quest in the chain.

[mobrien316]

But seriously, its up the the JOINEE to ask the questions too. Its a two way streak. If your worried that a chain quest might be in progress but not stated (a good tell sign is when you see one of the party members is a hireling cleric) just ask before joining. "Hey are you guys in progress? No, cool [hit lfm]" or "Hey you guys in progress? yes, are you wililng to redo the earlier parts so i can get end reward?" then yes [hit lfm] or no [start your own group].



The sad truth is .. if they are in progress .. they dont really care if YOU join them or not. If YOU want to join them .. its up to YOU to ask the questions or set the requirements for you participation and up to them to accept them or move on without you.

I respectfully disagree. It is up to the leader to mark the LFM as "in progress". If not it will inevitably lead to situations like this:

(Leader puts up an LFM for quest)

<DING> “Hi. Are you in progress?”

(Leader): “No.”

1st Joiner: “Great. On my way.”

<DING> “Hi. Are you in progress?”

(Leader): “No.”

2nd Joiner: “Great. On my way.”

<DING> “Hi. Are you in progress?”

(Leader): <heavy sigh> “No. If I was in progress I would have marked the LFM as ‘in progress.’”

3rd Joiner: “Great. On my way.”

Et cetera…


I think it is just like the rest of the LFM; it is the leader’s responsibility to post an accurate LFM and to update it as necessary. If I post that I’m doing The Pit on normal, I don’t really want to get sent tells asking if I’m doing it on elite any more than I want to get sent tells asking me if I’m in progress. If I post that I’m doing it on normal, that’s what I’m doing. If the LFM doesn’t say in progress, then we haven’t started yet.

[Dysmetria]

I respectfully disagree. It is up to the leader to mark the LFM as "in progress". If not it will inevitably lead to situations like this:

(Leader puts up an LFM for quest)

<DING> “Hi. Are you in progress?”

(Leader): “No.”

1st Joiner: “Great. On my way.”

<DING> “Hi. Are you in progress?”

(Leader): “No.”

2nd Joiner: “Great. On my way.”

<DING> “Hi. Are you in progress?”

(Leader): <heavy sigh> “No. If I was in progress I would have marked the LFM as ‘in progress.’”

3rd Joiner: “Great. On my way.”

Et cetera…


I think it is just like the rest of the LFM; it is the leader’s responsibility to post an accurate LFM and to update it as necessary. If I post that I’m doing The Pit on normal, I don’t really want to get sent tells asking if I’m doing it on elite any more than I want to get sent tells asking me if I’m in progress. If I post that I’m doing it on normal, that’s what I’m doing. If the LFM doesn’t say in progress, then we haven’t started yet.It is not the leader's responsibility to post obvious info like the quest is in progress when you can see they are in the quest already by simply looking at their LFM listing. Likewise they do not need to post what classes/levels they already have as you can already see those in the LFM listing too.

If you want to waste their time asking them a noob question like “Hi. Are you in progress?” when you can already easily see that for yourself, don't be surprised if the reply is "You have been removed from the group."

[mobrien316]

It is not the leader's responsibility to post obvious info like the quest is in progress when you can see they are in the quest already by simply looking at their LFM listing. Likewise they do not need to post what classes/levels they already have as you can already see those in the LFM listing too.

If you want to waste their time asking them a noob question like “Hi. Are you in progress?” when you can already easily see that for yourself, don't be surprised if the reply is "You have been removed from the group."

Just to be clear, I was certainly NOT advocating that anyone should be sending tells asking "Hi. Are you in progress?" I was, in fact, suggesting how unreasonable that was.

The information is not obvious when, as the original post specified, the LFM is for a chain of quests. The issue arises when, as in the instance which prompted my original post, an LFM was posted which indicated the four "Depths" quests in House D were to be done on elite. Looking at the location of the four people already in the party showed me they were in House D, which is where I would expect them to be if they were waiting to start the Depths quests. Had that party leader taken two seconds to add "ip" to the LFM it would have saved me a little time and effort. If I had seen an "ip" on the LFM, or if I had seen "Depths of Despair" listed as the location for anyone in the party, I would have asked if they had started and, if so, how many they had already done. If they had told me they were just about the enter the fourth one (meaning they'd be pretty much done in the time it would take me to get there and get the quests) I could have saved myself the rushing around.

It's not like I wasted a tremendous amount of time or effort; it was just a little bit. Just enough for me to make a friendly suggestion.

[Dysmetria]

The information is not obvious when, as the original post specified, the LFM is for a chain of quests. The issue arises when, as in the instance which prompted my original post, an LFM was posted which indicated the four "Depths" quests in House D were to be done on elite. Looking at the location of the four people already in the party showed me they were in House D, which is where I would expect them to be if they were waiting to start the Depths quests.If they were all showing as being in House D then obviously they were not in progress.

In the event of a chain though, it does seem appropriate for the newly joined person to ask what part of the chain the group is on, if they are actually worried about completing the whole chain that is.

[Postumus]

It is not the leader's responsibility to post obvious info like the quest is in progress when you can see they are in the quest already by simply looking at their LFM listing. Likewise they do not need to post what classes/levels they already have as you can already see those in the LFM listing too.




I agree. I indicate "IP" simply to prevent the "you already started??" responses. It doesn't always help.