shroud doesnt drop any ingredients?

[Acaios]

it`s been about a month since i`ve run the shroud for the 1st time. and since then, i`ve run it a couple of times (doing about 7-8 runs with recall at the end, and finishing at the next that parts 1-4 drop no more ingredients).

however, yesterday, when my timer was reset, and run it again, i found out that after 2 runs i got zero ingredients. i left if for the day, just in case it was just a temporary bug or something. i tried it again today to test it again, but still.. 2 more runs and zero ingredients in parts 1-4. it was like the chests` counters didn`t reset with my shroud`s completion 4 days ago. so i finished it at my 4th run, got a large bone in the part 5*, and hoping next time the chests will act normally again..

i dont know if this has anything to do with the recent update. yesterday, i asked in the marketplace if anyone experienced something similar and someone told me that he got less ingredients than he usually got, but not none.


*plz, dont make any joke about it, like "large 'bone' is what you got and in the rest of your runs", this is serious.. :P

[WiseFreelancer]

You have ransacked the chests, probably.

Each chest only spawns good loot the first 7 times you open it, including all special ingredients and unique items. The count resets exactly 7 days after you first opened it. Its rare to ransack a raid chest because being on timer normally stops people being so over-eager!

[uthanak69]

You have ransacked the chests, probably.

Each chest only spawns good loot the first 7 times you open it, including all special ingredients and unique items. The count resets exactly 7 days after you first opened it. Its rare to ransack a raid chest because being on timer normally stops people being so over-eager!


Yep. Pretty sure that it doesn't matter if you finish the quest or not, you still took the loot. So wait a week and try again :)

[Matuse]

Ransack doesn't care whether or not you completed.

This is normal and expected behavior from the chests.

Do more completions, and fewer "loot" runs. You end up with more ingredients (well, the important ones; larges) over time, and completions are the only way to get cleansing essences (or +3 tomes, if that's more your style). It also goes a long way towards preventing Shroud burnout. If you want ingredients THAT badly, make another character, and keep them constantly on timer.

[shores11]

I have been playing since before The Thirteenth Eclipse came out and have completed it every single time I have ran it (never have recalled before completion). I have 3 or 4 items from The Shroud on every one of my 11 characters and even have deleted 3 or 4 characters that had greensteel items on them.

I to this day have never understood why so many players feel it is more beneficial to recall out instead of finishing the quest. You lower your large item drop rate by about 75% or more by doing so as you only get a large about 1 in every 3 runs on part IV.

Trust in The Shroud......Do not finish out.

[Cardtrick]

You have ransacked the chests, probably.

Each chest only spawns good loot the first 7 times you open it, including all special ingredients and unique items. The count resets exactly 7 days after you first opened it. Its rare to ransack a raid chest because being on timer normally stops people being so over-eager!

It's actually 8 times, not 7. You first get the ransack warning on the 8th time, but you also get the full loot list.

To the OP, as other people have said, the best thing is probably just to finish each time. By the time you collect enough larges from parts 4 and 5 to make something useful, you'll have more than enough smalls and mediums from parts 1 - 3. But if you really want to max out your Shroud ingredients each week, you could do 3 runs of 1-4, then complete. Wait until you're off timer and do it again -- 3 and then complete. By the time you're next off timer, the ransack timer will have expired, since it starts from the first time you open the chest.

[Cardtrick]

I have been playing since before The Thirteenth Eclipse came out and have completed it every single time I have ran it (never have recalled before completion). I have 3 or 4 items from The Shroud on every one of my 11 characters and even have deleted 3 or 4 characters that had greensteel items on them.

I to this day have never understood why so many players feel it is more beneficial to recall out instead of finishing the quest. You lower your large item drop rate by about 75% or more by doing so as you only get a large about 1 in every 3 runs on part IV.

Trust in The Shroud......Do not finish out.

It's a 50% drop rate in part 4.

The reason you don't see the point is that you have 11 characters. That's the real way to be efficient at the Shroud -- have multiple characters flagged and complete each time you run it. That way, you average 1.5 large ingredients per run, and should be getting 3 larges per character per week. And I agree, if the OP is really serious about Shroud-farming, the best thing he could do is roll up a second and third character to run Shroud with.

But if he only has one high level character and doesn't want to make more, then recalling out before the part 5 chests isn't the worst decision ever. Each week, he can do that 6 times and complete twice without getting ransacked. That's an average of (.5 *6 +1.5 *2)/8 = .75 large ingredients per run, which is half the average you get when completing every time, and is certainly less efficient. But, he can expect to get 6 larges per character per week -- twice as many as he'd get if he just finished every time (he just has to run 4 times as many Shrouds to get there).

As a disclaimer, I do finish out every time now. If I'm in the mood for even more ingredients, I solo Sins or New Invasion -- they're less efficient than running parts 1-4 of Shroud with a good group, since the drop rate is lower, but they're more fun for me.

But I can definitely understand why someone would do it, and they're actually not being irrational.

[Syllph]

I have been playing since before The Thirteenth Eclipse came out and have completed it every single time I have ran it (never have recalled before completion). I have 3 or 4 items from The Shroud on every one of my 11 characters and even have deleted 3 or 4 characters that had greensteel items on them.

I to this day have never understood why so many players feel it is more beneficial to recall out instead of finishing the quest. You lower your large item drop rate by about 75% or more by doing so as you only get a large about 1 in every 3 runs on part IV.

Trust in The Shroud......Do not finish out.

^ this. I see people all the time who do "loot runs" in shroud. They have maybe one GS item. I see people who finish every time they have many many GS items (including me). Perhaps it's just dumb luck, but I agree here fully. Finish finish finish.

[Bodic]

if you must insist on recalling before finish limit it to 4 runs before finish. to prevent ransacks from happening.

The only real advantage of recalling out early is that you will get a stockpile of S&M mats that you will have a larger amount of in the end but to front load your crafting and get a bunch of Tier II items it is worth it to some degree.

or running it just for SoP/GSoP.

[Illiain]

There's also the time wasted. I have 4 Shroud flagged alts. I complete every time I run. I don't have the time or need to run 36 Shrouds a week and also run 8 EVONs/EDQs/ToDs a week. Then there's the option of running VOD/Hound for the +3 tomes every 20th run. After all that, I still haven't flagged for Abbot or Titan.

Just completing gives me the time needed to get everything else done and still run fun stuff, or farm Vale crafting ingredients.

[AMDarkwolf]

Its amusing, in a very sad way: Like others have said.

The guy who is working himself to the bone, board to tears, redoing shroud over and over in the same day, getting 1-2 larges (And ransack) for his work. Ransack WILL stick around 3 days later when hes off timer, and 3 days after that so it will look like a long time. He will be happy to have his "ZOMG I JUST FINISHED MY TIER 3 ITEM" at ... 1, 2 maybe 3 completions. Lots and lots of smalls(too many) but no larges.

Then the other guy who finishes each and every time, runs shroud every 3 days, never getting too bored of it, will be sitting at 18-20 runs, have 2-3 fully completed green steels, and be 0-2 runs away from his cleansing stone(where he can wear 2)

The truth is OP, the above people are NOT LYING TO YOU, run shroud every time, finish, rack up those completions and u will see what they/I mean.

[stille_nacht]

if you have 2 flagged characters, finishing out is almost certainly more efficient.

if you have only 1 flagged character, unless you have a looooot of time to burn, finishing out is probably more efficient.

[mgoldb2]

It depends if you actually willing to do it this many times but the math really simple for someone that don’t have many many chars flagged

In a week

8 part 4 chests at 50% drop rate and 2 part 5 chests at 100% drop rate = more large ingredients then only 2 part 5 chests in a week.

Switch off between
1-4 6 times then completion
Only completion

When shroud was new I use to do that now I really only do completions since I no longer have the time or care enough but for a new player to shroud this is defiantly a faster way to get your tier 3 items if you got the time.

[Cardtrick]

if you have 2 flagged characters, finishing out is almost certainly more efficient.

if you have only 1 flagged character, unless you have a looooot of time to burn, finishing out is probably more efficient.

Yes, exactly. As I posted above, if you max out your runs per week without ransack on one character, you'll be doing 8 Shroud runs, 2 of which finish, for an expected value of 6 large ingredients. If just run it twice a week (when you're off timer), but finish every time, you'll be doing 2 Shroud runs per week for an expected value of 3 large ingredients. Twice as efficient, but half the total ingredients.

On the other hand, if you have 2 Shroud-running characters and finish each each time, you'll be doing 4 Shroud runs, finishing all of them, with an expected value of 6 large ingredients. Twice as efficient, and exactly the same number of ingredients -- plus you'll be moving two characters toward the 20th reward lists.

[Acaios]

thank you all for your input (also added as much reputation as i could for today)

i see now that i was wrong about the chest`s ransack timer.

however, it was cardtrick`s post that i agreed with more.


It's a 50% drop rate in part 4.

The reason you don't see the point is that you have 11 characters. That's the real way to be efficient at the Shroud -- have multiple characters flagged and complete each time you run it. That way, you average 1.5 large ingredients per run, and should be getting 3 larges per character per week. And I agree, if the OP is really serious about Shroud-farming, the best thing he could do is roll up a second and third character to run Shroud with.

But if he only has one high level character and doesn't want to make more, then recalling out before the part 5 chests isn't the worst decision ever. Each week, he can do that 6 times and complete twice without getting ransacked. That's an average of (.5 *6 +1.5 *2)/8 = .75 large ingredients per run, which is half the average you get when completing every time, and is certainly less efficient. But, he can expect to get 6 larges per character per week -- twice as many as he'd get if he just finished every time (he just has to run 4 times as many Shrouds to get there).

As a disclaimer, I do finish out every time now. If I'm in the mood for even more ingredients, I solo Sins or New Invasion -- they're less efficient than running parts 1-4 of Shroud with a good group, since the drop rate is lower, but they're more fun for me.

But I can definitely understand why someone would do it, and they're actually not being irrational.

i see you people have a lot of toons, and limited time, so completion -yes- it is the right choice. but i have only one main toon (and 3 more just to carry my items - premium with shared bank), and i wanted to reach end game, even epic, and see the whole game, so i can make the right choices on my next toon (possibly a monk). to build this toon i spent about 2-3 weeks on planning and reading ddo rules, skills, feats and forum builds.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=298016
and ended up on a human version of grodon`s horcxploiter
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=281572&highlight=Grodon9999

anyway, my point is that right now i`m in a point of making again such decisions, of what GS to craft, what i want in my DT outfit, and what belt/ring set i want (not really thrilled by any of the sets for my build, but that`s another story). and while i`m in that process (probably gonna make another thread about it sometime), i dont mind farming shroud, so when i come to a decision, to be able to craft them.

besides, shroud has become also my favorite raid.. a couple of days ago, my desktop pc had its graphics card 'burnt', and now i`m only with my laptop. so, i wasnt able to run the solver, and had myself learn the algorithm for part 3. after that, i`m the 1st to enter part 3 and when i`m done with my puzzle, i run to the (5x5)s to help. and besides that, running this raid is so far the most economic beneficial. i make about 10kpp/run just by selling trash to meridia`s vendors [i`m bored to go to the deneith vendor, or else i would make more (currently thinking of teleportation). and i want to jump into the next shroud group]. leave aside if you get some good weapons for the AH, or a major mnemonic elixir, or wizard`s scrolls not sold by vendors. (and perhaps selling some small and medium ingredients in AH once you have large stock - i havent reached there yet - so that you can buy some large ones)

anyway, back to the point, i liked the idea of doing 4 runs at a time, however, isnt there gonna be the same problem?
day 1: farm, farm, farm, completion
day 2
day 3
day 4: farm, farm, farm, completion
day 5
day 6
day 7: farm (chest still ransacked!)

unless, you say that i`m gonna give away one day by spliting the runs midweek, when you dont have much time.

saturday: farm, farm, farm, completion
sunday:
monday:
tuesday: farm, farm
wednesday: farm, completion
thursday:
friday:
saturday: (chests no more ransacked) farm, farm, farm, completion


(and this is where the completioners will say : "hey, i still get more loot than you who give away one day" :P)

Edit: i had writen vip with shared bank, while i meant premium with shared bank

[Dragavon]

Have 3 chars flagged for Shroud. Then you can complete one Shroud every day if you want.