Vampirism

[Thrann]

So after the server came back,go to log in and i see that i only have 1 weapon in my hand with my lvl 12 Tr twf barb.The weapon that should have been there was a Silver holy vamirism khop that i crafted..no + on it so ML9.come to see its in red now and the ML goes to 15 still without any + to it.Yea it might be a bit OP for lvl but come on you guys test this stuff before it goes live..stick to one plan on it.so beside the change to ml on that, i run down to the crafting hall to check it out more come to see you TOOK OUT VAMPIRISM NOW??from the crafting device-bound shards...Really???? like no heads up on this and then you change the ML on les vam?Like really no heads up on this.i did not see any info about this change......Ps you still have it in the list under the crafting device-bound items,just make up your mind..is it in or out?

[jamestheman]

Found my weapon and it's there (not silver or holy though).
But when I went to check the shard crafting station, the lesser level is now level 46. Since I'm only 22, it's going to be awhile before I can create any new shards.

[Thrann]

yea the change the ML on les vampirism but took out vampirism which was around the 40ish lvl range,but its not there anymore.and from talknig with a gm in game..they not donig anything about it cause its in beta...beta or not a heads up be nice

[Tsuarok]

Beta... You're testing this stuff.

If you want it to work and not change, wait a few updates.

[Cardtrick]

beta or not a heads up be nice

Each and every time you walk into the crafting hall, a notice pops up telling you it's a beta, there's no support, and things are subject to change.

You chose to craft anyway. Not saying that's wrong, so did I -- but it means you don't have a leg to stand on, here. Everything's subject to balancing right now.

[countfitz]

Yeah, the part where you said "you test this stuff before it goes live" is where you made your mistake. Turbine is letting us test this stuff in game. It says that when you walk into the crafting halls. Which is why I'm just gonna keep collecting stuff 'til it's done, use all the (I expect) great build resources that other hardcore gamers are going to make special websites for, then make it.

I feel really bad for all the original "founders" who had to test green steel on their own...

But in your case, not feeling as bad. A little... but I feel worse for me, just finished collecting everything I need to make a con op green steel item TODAY, and I'm too chicken to be the first one to test out the altars, so I'll be going a week or two without making it.

[Cardtrick]

But in your case, not feeling as bad. A little... but I feel worse for me, just finished collecting everything I need to make a con op green steel item TODAY, and I'm too chicken to be the first one to test out the altars, so I'll be going a week or two without making it.

I would feel perfectly safe making a Conc Opp item today. There was never a problem with Conc Opp anyway, and no reports of new problems since the patch. I actually made a pair of Conc Opp goggles just a few days ago (while the Min2 problem was going on), and they work perfectly fine.

[pasterqb]

Also changed the ml on either Bodyfeeder or Pure Good. My Holy Vampirism went from level 11 to 17 and bodyfeeder pure good went from 9 to 11.

[Impaqt]

Gah. My Lesser Vapirism Holy Khopesh went from ML7 to ML11.... So much for a nice twink weapon....


useless now.

[Wizard_Zero]

I knew from the day crafting came out that Vampirism would be taken out sooner or later, I also expected lesser vampirism to be too, but guess I was wrong on that... for now.

Things will change dramatically in Beta crafting over the next couple of updates, just the way it is.

[Sydril]

The entry message to the crafting hall deflates all whine within a five mile radius.

[Emag]

The entry message to the crafting hall deflates all whine within a five mile radius.


but shouldn't there be some heads up of a upcoming changes that a person has put much time and effort into...?

[Thrann]

Yea i know its in beta.but for the fact we got 2 other servers that go threw testing on the same thing we are doing now,i would hope even as live beta it kinda be more of a headsup and more on a set plan on whats in and whats out.Vampirism been out with epic for sometime now,so whats wrong with it?..why is it out?...live beta or not this stuff been tested before...they can tell us what they will add but not what they take out.like ppl say its beta but really what are the other 2 beta servers really doing then?

[rodallec]

No more vampirism?!
Well no reason to craft anymore.
Make a min2 if you want a dr buster

[SolarDawning]

No more vampirism?!
Well no reason to craft anymore.
Make a min2 if you want a dr buster


http://i907.photobucket.com/albums/ac280/SolarDawning/Vampirism.jpg?t=1305602316

Shame I didn't have silver wraps to craft on.

[Cardtrick]

but shouldn't there be some heads up of a upcoming changes that a person has put much time and effort into...?

No. Shouldn't people avoid spending time and effort that they may regret losing on a system that announced every time you use it that it's in Beta and help is unavailable?

[Veriden]

I didn't get to craft a vamp weapon, kinda neglected crafting while its in beta just gathering mats. so if you get 1hp back on normal lesser vamp what do you get with regular vamp?

[Emag]

No. Shouldn't people avoid spending time and effort that they may regret losing on a system that announced every time you use it that it's in Beta and help is unavailable?

oh okay, that makes ninja-nerfs okay. makes sense.

[Thrann]

les vamp is 1 a tic with healing amp under 200% and goes up at the amp goes up to so for les vamp 1+ for up to 199% amp 2+ for upto 299% 3+ up to 399%..ect
then for Vampirism its a bit different its like a 3 tic system so for under 200% it was like 1.3.4 all random then goes up with amp but will increase with the amount of amp..like over 200% but under 250% is 2.4.6..if that helps

[Sydril]

I got neg repped for my comment. That's priceless.

This is like the guy who buys an antique swiss clock from a dealer with an as is sales contract and then complains when it doesn't work, right after he was told there was no guarantee that it would work.

[Drakos]

Yea i know its in beta.but for the fact we got 2 other servers that go threw testing on the same thing we are doing now,i would hope even as live beta it kinda be more of a headsup and more on a set plan on whats in and whats out.Vampirism been out with epic for sometime now,so whats wrong with it?..why is it out?...live beta or not this stuff been tested before...they can tell us what they will add but not what they take out.like ppl say its beta but really what are the other 2 beta servers really doing then?
There are no "other two beta servers". This has been stated many times in the past. Mornlands and Lamannia are not beta servers or test servers, they are preview servers. The don't often make changes based on the feedback from these servers unless they are show stopper bugs.

This isn't even a bug, it is part of them balancing the crafting system while in beta. As long as they don't reset all the crafting XP and levels once the beta is over, I don't think there is alot to complain about.

[Emag]

There are no "other two beta servers". This has been stated many times in the past. Mornlands and Lamannia are not bets servers or test servers, they are preview servers. The don't often make changes based on the feedback from these servers unless tere are show stopper bugs.

This isn't even a bug, it is part of them balancing the crafting system while in beta. As long as they don't reset all the crafting XP and levels once the beta is over, I don't think there is alot to complain about.

Let me get this straight, they are not test servers to test and find the bugs, and work out the kinks to say the least...?

[Drakos]

Let me get this straight, they are not test servers to test and find the bugs, and work out the kinks to say the least...?
Not acording to Turbine. They are preview servers. There is no express understanding that bugs discovered in the preview will be addressed prior to launch. Mornlands is the private preview server (invite only from my understanding) and Lamannia is the public preview server.

Now ocassionally they do address issues brought up on the Lamannia boards, and in the case of crafting they did make some changes, but that in no way changes the fact that Turbine views it as a preview server.

[Veriden]

les vamp is 1 a tic with healing amp under 200% and goes up at the amp goes up to so for les vamp 1+ for up to 199% amp 2+ for upto 299% 3+ up to 399%..ect
then for Vampirism its a bit different its like a 3 tic system so for under 200% it was like 1.3.4 all random then goes up with amp but will increase with the amount of amp..like over 200% but under 250% is 2.4.6..if that helps

Cool, thanks explains it perfectly.

[Thrann]

Not acording to Turbin. ......is that a new company?

[seskie1]

.....is that a new company?

You of all people can't make fun of somebody if they misspell something Thrannypoo :D, matter of fact neither can I :(.

[Drakos]

.....is that a new company?
Sorry for missing the 'e' I'll correct my post.

[Morosy]

I got neg repped for my comment. That's priceless.

This is like the guy who buys an antique swiss clock from a dealer with an as is sales contract and then complains when it doesn't work, right after he was told there was no guarantee that it would work.

Nope. You are part of a test group that gets to test the clocks before they get sold, and your model didn't work. Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with your overall premise, but your analogy was off :P

[THOTHdha]

i would hope even as live beta it kinda be more of a headsup and more on a set plan on whats in and whats out.Vampirism been out with epic for sometime now,so whats wrong with it?..why is it out?...live beta or not this stuff been tested before...they can tell us what they will add but not what they take out.like ppl say its beta but really what are the other 2 beta servers really doing then?


but shouldn't there be some heads up of a upcoming changes that a person has put much time and effort into...?

No. There is absolutely no reason why you should be expecting some kind of 'heads up' or preview of what is to come. If they forecasted their rebalancing efforts, then everyone would hurry up and make a bunch of the imbalanced items as soon as something was said about it. That's the same reason why Turbine will not comment on current exploits.

There is private internal testing. But as has been mentioned before, Lamania is not a test server. By the time something goes on Lama land it is pretty much too far along the development pipe to make a lot of changes. Occasionally something really big get spotted and has to be altered before it goes live, but most often very major bugs are found on Lamania, and they still go live. This is because corporate programming is a ponderous and unagile beast.

Rather than whining about this change you should be glad that you were able to make the items in the first place. Enchantments that have been considered too powerful could have been removed, and all items crafted with those properties removed as well. The constant warnings that are forced on you that crafting is still in the live beta phase are not just there because someone was looking for something to do. Chances are good that quite a few changes will be coming. The addition of crafting XP for deconstruction is a good example. If you want to take advantage of any beneficial changes that might come along, then it might be best to wait on using the crafting system until things have been worked out a bit.

[Gauthaag]

What about Vampirism is not out..it could have its lvl adjusted so its now higher then 75 allowed.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Your "heads-up" is that warning message that appears EVERY single time you load into the crafting hall. Whether there "should" be one or not, there actually is one.

Hell, you're complaining about something explicitly stated as vein in beta being changed - think about how us older cats feel about all those greensteel changes, among many other things.

[Setin_Myways]

What about Vampirism is not out..it could have its lvl adjusted so its now higher then 75 allowed.

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that's my guess. if lesser went form 20 to 45, i would think regular vamp would have gone up a similar amount, with a bit of a boost... so maybe it is lvl 76 recipe now.

I think they presented the over all changes from 9 to 9.1 fairly well. I would rather see them spend more time on making the system 'Live' then on exhaustive documentation of the specific changes in the phases of an announced beta release.

Maybe they need the DM voice to say 'Buyer beware!' the entire time you are in the crafting area?

[Lerincho]

The last time a "heads up" was leaked was with WoP and there was a mass hysteria. Those that heeded the warning gouched people that did not know, only to have people come on to the forums to bash them for shady trading.

Then there was the time that certain scrolls were going to be removed from the game, so what did people do? Bought entire mules of the scrolls.

No Turbine has learned their lesson of advanced on smaller issues like this. After all, look at the backlash they took for the spell pass over. Funny, my wizard seems to have the same abilities as he had before update 9.

[Sydril]

Nope. You are part of a test group that gets to test the clocks before they get sold, and your model didn't work. Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with your overall premise, but your analogy was off :P

Fair enough

[Cyr]

Beta crafting bud. Expect changes. Were these particular changes good ones...heck no. Was there a good reason for the typical Turbine lack of communication about them...heck no. Are the above typical for Turbine...heck yeah.

[rimble]

Beta... You're testing this stuff.

If you want it to work and not change, wait a few updates.

Basically, unfortunately, this. Which is why I just deconstruct right now...and hey, as of last night that started leveling me a bit too, so I got that going for me.

[Valindria]

This makes me sad. When I saw how the crafting worked I decided I would wait a little bit before working on it to see what changes were coming. Seems like waiting was a bad choice since now I can not make vampirism and lesser is a higher level. Vamp was my main goal for crafting.

[kcru]

Figures, I was just about to make a Vicious scimitar of lesser vampirism for soloing. :)