Is the Warpriest of Siberys still good to use

[XaatXuun]

I was looking at tihocan's revisited path, and the warpriest looks like the Cleric I want to play/try.
I want to make sure since U9 that the build posted there is the direction I should try and follow.

or any other Cleric builds closely the same. I'll take a peek of any build links you send here.

I wanna stay Human, but would do a Dwarf, and only a 28pt's to play with

[PNellesen]

I've got a Human 19/1 Cleric/Fighter (28pt) based on tihocan's Warpriest, and I have to say that since U9, he seems to be even better than before - even though Extend no longer applies to Blade Barriers, they seem more powerful, and the insta-cast is VERY nice. In addition, he seems to use noticeably fewer SPs when raid healing now. If I were starting a new 28pt Cleric, I would probably go Human again just for the extra feat and skill points. I'm still on the fence about whether or not to just skip Extend entirely on a so-called "battle cleric" - between maybe level 5 and 12 or so it's nice for buffs, and at later levels nice for Holy Aura/Recitation/Divine Favor, but if you plan on doing more melee than offensive casting, then another melee feat might be better.

TL;DR - I think tihocan's Warpriest is still a really good 28pt Cleric build.

[simsiim]

thank you PNellesen

I might start him tonight then.
Yes I was thinking of staying strictly melee, and the Warpriest looks like it was just that. I'll need to find some reading material on the weapon choices of the Warpriest. I had actually kinda started one a while back, on Gal . but I went Mace&Board. Too Bad not everything are Skeletons :D.
I was toying with him last night, that's when I made this post because I felt I could play a Cleric if properly following a well defined Build. That was already written ;).

I see in the post Warpriest of Sibery's (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2847871&postcount=75) that tihocan sez to use the 2hand instead of the S&B , I always choose the Falchion, would this still be a good choice for the Warpriest ?

Edit: Sorry about the font type, changed it by mistake and could not get it back to original font

[simsiim]

okay after some thinking, I did a little mod to the Attributes. Something between tihocan's and Sirgog's. I wanted the Str, but didn't want to give up any Dex for it.
I solo my first 8-10 levels , so felt getting THF before PowAtk would benefit me more. I decided to go ahead and get Extend, so my first 2 feat selections was what was in the Post, but after that is where I changed it. I'm still having second thoughts getting Extend.
I was also thinking of getting Quicken before maximize , I thought Max was more an Offensive casting , and felt that Quicken would benefit me more at getting heals out there. I do have a Latency due to Sat connection and I wanted to focus more on melee.

So here is what I was going to start with

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.1
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 4 Chaotic Good Human Male
(1 Fighter \ 3 Cleric)
Hit Points: 88
Spell Points: 224
BAB: 3\3
Fortitude: 7
Reflex: 1
Will: 5

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 4)
Strength 17 18
Dexterity 10 10
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 14 15
Charisma 9 9

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


I hope I selected the right Enhancements, but that's no biggie, at least those can be fixed, also I decided to go my first up in Str, to round it to 18, but the rest will be in Wis. I wouldn't if I could afford a +1 str tome :( and kept all up's in Wis

I have a feeling at lvl 8, I may be adding a second lvl fighter, for the extra feat, if I do that, then that's most likely when I'll add PA, or Improve THF, but that's a while, so can figure that later ;)

well going to thumb through the WWW to see if I can find a name to use for this creation, I know what name I would use , but it's been used already , and I want to avoid the MyDDO bug with using same names :o

[Ivan_Milic]

I just started with that build too(tihocans one) and its great so far.

[XaatXuun]

I just started with that build too(tihocans one) and its great so far.
what level are you now?
I was tired before starting the creation so all I did was 3 of the Harbor solo quest and Sunken Sewer, going to bed after a lil more reading of the forums :o;)

hoping I can succesfully post link from in-game, but this was right after getting off the Boat. Decided to reuse the name already used that was deleted, maybe MyDDO will update correctly.


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Bummers :( the Link button doesn't work from the In-game Browser, hope I typed it out correctly

[tihocan]

The build should still be fine, so far I'm not planning any U9-related change. It's sad not to be able to extend BB anymore, but extend is still quite useful here for the short-term buffs (prayer / recitation / divine power / divine favor / holy aura...).

[PNellesen]

I see in the post Warpriest of Sibery's (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2847871&postcount=75) that tihocan sez to use the 2hand instead of the S&B , I always choose the Falchion, would this still be a good choice for the Warpriest ?

Yeah, I think Falchions are a good choice - they have a better crit range than the other two-handers. If you go Elf you also get some racial bonuses for to-hit and damage as well.

I used a lot of the concepts I learned from the Warpriest in the Half-Elf Cleric in my sig - he's a pure cleric who can use two-handers without penalty. Two handers are FAR superior to S&B (as the many, many threads on the subject will explain in great detail ;) )

[simsiim]

The build should still be fine, so far I'm not planning any U9-related change. It's sad not to be able to extend BB anymore, but extend is still quite useful here for the short-term buffs (prayer / recitation / divine power / divine favor / holy aura...).
Just guessing, but it seems spellpass didn't effect the Build much , Just the extend part, but like my Bard (but he's still low level you can see that in my Xaat Sig) it was a small thing and was really not so bad. Probably just a note about extend after U9 would be the only thing to add. But I'm just guessing:o


Yeah, I think Falchions are a good choice - they have a better crit range than the other two-handers. If you go Elf you also get some racial bonuses for to-hit and damage as well.

I used a lot of the concepts I learned from the Warpriest in the Half-Elf Cleric in my sig - he's a pure cleric who can use two-handers without penalty. Two handers are FAR superior to S&B (as the many, many threads on the subject will explain in great detail ;) )

Speaking of Half-elf, I was all excited about them coming to DDO, since they was my favorite race to play 30 years ago(that was when I last played D&D), But I see, they were not the same. neither was many other things:o.
I had almost grabbed the Starter Scimitar, to go a S&B since the starter Scimitar is the only 1d8 in DDO, like they were when I last played D&D ;), But the build was recommending to go 2h, so I started with the greatsword.
My Ranger is Elf and has some spare Falchions, he doesn't use them much anyways :D. As you can see in the image I already started as Human, I'm not a Fan of the high Pointy ears look, and I have to look at them all the time.
So besides not having a racial then any 2 would work so I take it, since I like Falchions then just go for it

Thanks all

[Pape_27]

The build should still be fine, so far I'm not planning any U9-related change. It's sad not to be able to extend BB anymore, but extend is still quite useful here for the short-term buffs (prayer / recitation / divine power / divine favor / holy aura...).

a reworking of that build with divine smiting enhancement line would be a good idea. Lets you really take advantage of that wonderful new spell the divines got in the latest update.


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[PNellesen]

a reworking of that build with divine smiting enhancement line would be a good idea. Lets you really take advantage of that wonderful new spell the divines got in the latest update.


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I'm considering resetting some of my enhancements just to see how much I boost that spell - it's pretty powerful the way it is (with Superior Potency and Maximize) and I've already taken to hitting Harry with it in the Shroud if I can spare the SP (when you have a Warpriest-based build, you can take a fireball to the face and laugh it off with a maximized burst ;) )

[simsiim]

a reworking of that build with divine smiting enhancement line would be a good idea. Lets you really take advantage of that wonderful new spell the divines got in the latest update.


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what level spell will that be ? Is that something I should think/concern myself about in my first 8 levels


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Speaking of first 8, this is what I had laid out for my first 8 levels.
I did do the feats in a different order, and will be a 18Cleric/2Fighter

I'm uncertain which enhancements would benefit me the most at these levels :o, so hoping I decided okay. The rest of the selection (Build) should be back in the order as laid out in the Revisited Path build.
it's time to get in the game, so didn't have time to finish it to 20, figured maybe some comments what I was planning wouldn't hurt till I get there. Kinda Small steps as I go :o


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.1
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Cleric Warpriest 28
Level 8 Chaotic Good Human Male
(2 Fighter \ 6 Cleric)
Hit Points: 134
Spell Points: 325
BAB: 6\6\11
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 2
Will: 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 8)
Strength 17 20
Dexterity 10 10
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 14 16
Charisma 9 9

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

[Zachski]

Just a note: 19 levels of Cleric will have a full strength Radiant Servant aura, while 18 levels of cleric will have a weaker aura.

[XaatXuun]

Just a note: 19 levels of Cleric will have a full strength Radiant Servant aura, while 18 levels of cleric will have a weaker aura.
ahh, That I did not know, thanks for the heads up, I should be okay, witout that 2 fighter then.

[Maelodic]

You don't really need the THF feats if you learn how to twich. You'll do just fine without them if you'd rather have more casting feats.

[Pape_27]

what level spell will that be ? Is that something I should think/concern myself about in my first 8 levels



Divine Punishment is a level 5 spell


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[yawumpus]

I hope I selected the right Enhancements, but that's no biggie, at least those can be fixed, also I decided to go my first up in Str, to round it to 18, but the rest will be in Wis. I wouldn't if I could afford a +1 str tome :( and kept all up's in Wis


The catch here is that you paid 3 build points to get that 17 strength, then put level up points into wisdom (which only cost 2). You probably want to lose the point of dexterity and the last point of strength, and then split your level ups between 2 points of strength and 3 points of wisdom. You will end up with one more point of wisdom this way.

This is the reason splitting level ups is typically recommended against. You wind up diluting the benefits. I'd also ask about how effective such low DCs will be. Your wisdom will take a long time to get up there (even assuming you ignored the above since the build seems to have already started), and by that time the mobs should have good saves. It is entirely possible that you would be better off putting all level ups into strength and simply assuming mobs can make all saves. This is a common practice for strength-based FVSs (who can dump wisdom even lower as they won't need the wisdom be able to cast spells).

This is not to say that splitting level ups is always bad. I have a paladin who is taking his first 3 level ups in wisdom, and will take the last 2 in charisma. Of course, in his case he needs to hit specific wisdom scores (without items or enhancements) to get divine might, and only needs it at high level. I suspect that splitting level ups only makes sense to hit such base requirement scores (note - Tihocan's introductory builds will do this if tomes are not available).

[simsiim]

Yeah , I just have a disliking to low dex builds, it's a personal Flavor thing.
I did want all the up's in Wisdom, as suggested, but that one point in Str could haunt me later, So I choose to do 1 Up in Str, now that may haunt my Wisdom.

Funny you mention FvS, That is the future of this guy, to unlock FvS and TR into a FvS. I wanted to play a FvS but thought playing a cleric would be easier for me to learn the mechanics, So when I do play the FvS I'll have less a struggle. At least in my theory that's how I see it.
In other words, I wanted to use a build that has been used and successful, but slight changes to fit my playing.

That's why I'm hoping a point here, and a change in order there won't be too much a mess. In the end it should be pretty much the same 'cept that one point (guess I should say 2 points),

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Thanks Pape_27, so it's something I do not need to be concern right now about. Looks like it is something right after what I had laid out already tho, but switching that lvl 8 plan now after the heads up from Zachski about the full strength Radiant Servant aura ;)

I know every time I scroll through the enhancements, I look at that and wonder why it was not one of the choices. Luckily it's an enhancement, something that can easily be fixed or replaced

[tihocan]

a reworking of that build with divine smiting enhancement line would be a good idea. Lets you really take advantage of that wonderful new spell the divines got in the latest update.
Good point, thanks.

[jackel_inognito]

I was looking at tihocan's revisited path

tihocans guides are really helpful but the game is about having fun so do ur own thing somewhat to make the character yours