where do my turn attempts go ?

[ShadowFlash]

As far as we can tell, this only happens while in the Sands (undead area ). I'm a Radiant Servant with 10 uses/rest, and all of a sudden, ALL attempts will be gone...dropping all the way down to zero. My girlfriend has similar problems in the sands with clickies being mysteriously depleted, her manyshot on timer even though she hasn't used it, and so on. No idea why this happens...nothing unusual in combat log, and my CHA isn't dropped either ( i.e. no mummy rot ). I find it hard to believe something would drop my CHA that much at once, and immediately revert to normal. Is this a glitch or some sort of de-buff being used by the baddies ? Quite the annoyance to have no bursts or divine might at random.

[Angelus_dead]

I find it hard to believe something would drop my CHA that much at once, and immediately revert to normal. Is this a glitch or some sort of de-buff being used by the baddies ?
Those enemies cast Feeblemind (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/feeblemind.htm), temporarily reducing both your Intelligence and Charisma to 1. It is unfortunate that Feeblemind has been nerfed so much that it expires before you even notice you had it.

Note that it is a bug that your turn attempts don't come back when your charisma does. The D&D 3.5 rules are quite clear that turn attempts are measured by uses expended, not uses remaining, which means that raising Charisma can immediately give you more turns without having to stop and wait.

[Synnestar35791]

Those enemies cast Feeblemind (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/feeblemind.htm), temporarily reducing both your Intelligence and Charisma to 1. It is unfortunate that Feeblemind has been nerfed so much that it expires before you even notice you had it.

Note that it is a bug that your turn attempts don't come back when your charisma does. The D&D 3.5 rules are quite clear that turn attempts are measured by uses expended, not uses remaining, which means that raising Charisma can immediately give you more turns without having to stop and wait.

I disagree, submit a bug and screenshots of the activity to Nighteshayde as being a tech supp. person, she can advise the problem/solution, or pass it on to the dev's for addressing

Lamannia was giving me a similar bug while auto-attacking training dummy... no solution was implemented that I know of...

[ShadowFlash]

Feeblemind is a good theory, but wouldn't it show in the combat log ? It's happened often enough, and recently we've been paying more attention, stopping as soon as I notice it, and searching through the log for anything unusual. If it was just me that this affected I'de believe it, but Part 2 of the wierdness is her clickies being depleted, along with manyshot mysteriously on timer. Although both scenarios usually don't happen at the same time, they do happen in the same instance, i.e. if i lose my turns, she's gonna lose a few clickies real soon. I rarely have the need for my clickies, so I honestly wouldn't notice if it depletes mine too. It's not a game-breaker or anything, just an annoyance. It seems to only happen in the wilderness area, and never in any of the quests. I'll keep an eye out for feeblemind though...at least now i have an idea of what I'm looking for in the log.

[ShadowFlash]

I disagree, submit a bug and screenshots of the activity to Nighteshayde as being a tech supp. person, she can advise the problem/solution, or pass it on to the dev's for addressing

Lamannia was giving me a similar bug while auto-attacking training dummy... no solution was implemented that I know of...

not sure how i'de report this...taking a screenshot would just show 0 uses. Not sure how helpful this would be.

[Ugumagre]

Well, reading the OP carefully, it also says that the girlfriend has some "similar" problem.
Could it be that you use the same keyboard?
Just an idea. I know some people that went crazy with similar things, and it was an unclean / broken keyboard.

[ShadowFlash]

Well, reading the OP carefully, it also says that the girlfriend has some "similar" problem.
Could it be that you use the same keyboard?
Just an idea. I know some people that went crazy with similar things, and it was an unclean / broken keyboard.

nah, nothing that simple...we duo on 2 different boxes :) We even went so far as to move her manyshot and commonly used clickies to a seperate quickbar totally across the screen to kill the "accidently clicking it" theory. It could very well be 2 distinctly different issues, but the fact that they almost always occur in the same instance makes me wonder.....

[Sarisa]

For your turn issue, It's most likely Feebleminded. You'll get a little "dim lightbulb" like icon over your head. You tend to almost immediately save after you get hit by it, so it doesn't stay long.

It should show up in your combat log, just make sure you didn't change the log settings. Individual feedback can be turned on and off in your UI options.

The turns now do regenerate after you recover from Feebleminded. There was a bug where it wouldn't regen, but that was fixed in (I believe) update 7. I got hit by Feebleminded this past weekend helping a friend run through Restless Isles favour/flagging. After it wore off, my turns started to slowly regenerate.

As for your girlfriend's problem, I have no idea. I have never seen clickies deplete themselves.

[ShadowFlash]

I'm tending to agree with feeblemind being my culprit also if it truly expires that fast. I'll keep a closer eye out for it in the log. I assume it has a save every few seconds, and as a cleric with decent will saves, I probablly only fail on a 1.

Her issue is noticed primarily because she uses a remove curse 3/rest clickie. We usually take an extended gnoll slayer loop, and finish it off with a typical boodstone run so she'd have shrined at least once in the instance by the time she's cursed. The charges will just be gone. Manyshot on timer is wierd, but harder to keep track of, as she always uses it.

[Waylayer]

Next time your partner notices the "Many Shot" issue, have her try to activate it anyway. I have noticed, on my ranger, that certain debuffs cause my bars to enter "cool down" mode; and for the visual to remain - even after the skill has actually recharged.

[KongColeus]

But as a cleric,

Do you remove your charisma items?

Do you use an item that gives you bonus turn undead but you remove it? This WILL immediately subtract the number it gives you as soon as it is removed.

Dumb question, did you give someone SP?

Not sure how the many shot can be drained.

I just ran a cleric though the desert loot runs using radiant servant and I never noticed this.

I did
19 Palumaks
12 generals
10 thirsties
18 Whirling Ozzans
9 Thumoks the Mad

On another server I ran
7 Palumaks
7 generals
8 thirsties
9 Whirling Ozzans
2 Thumoks the Mad

11 Lieutenants
7 Vorvands
5 Commanders

Not once did I notice any change in my turn undead or radiant servant. I do not think my clerics were ever feebleminded, but my wizards were. But then I am not worried about the wizards.

[ShadowFlash]

most assuredly my turns vanish all at once...literally 10 turns one minute...zero the next. No item swapping ( It would take quite the uber item to drop from 10 to 0 ), and no I'm not using the pool and not realizing it..lol. Gonna do some runs tonight again, and if it happens I will deligently look for feeblemind in the log as this seems most likely. I have looked in the log many times, but perhaps I'm just missing it.

Again, the only thing that strikes me as wierd, is both problems ( mine and hers ) will generally occur on the same run, at near the same time ( but not exactly the same time ). Just seems like a strange coincidence if in fact they are seperate problems. I'd estimate 1 in 15 runs generate this behavior.

[Veileira]

I was running my cleric through sands and noticed 0 turns when I went to burst something. It IS the feeblemind that does it. Really annoying that the unused turns don't come back when your charisma does.