guild chest accounting

[Canopenner]

without being able to see who is putting in and who is taking out these are worthless.

They are just pits for theives for rob.

Fix them so there is accounting pls.

[Twitchster]

Perhaps you are letting the wrong people in your guild then...

[Trillea]

without being able to see who is putting in and who is taking out these are worthless.

They are just pits for theives for rob.

Fix them so there is accounting pls.

NTY, they are there to put junk in for people to take. If you need accounting for a guild chest, you need better guildies.

[Canopenner]

well...thing is...

and this happens alot in many guilds I am in. Im nvr the person recruiting and I dont really try to be in any particular guild.

But anyway,

chest starts turning up empty.

I start accounting names of people in crime time. send guild lder list.

happens once or twice more. within days.

I do the same...Encourage guild leader to boot folks who I think are responsible.

Guild leader removes chest.

I would like to put stuff in for people to use. But when some Ahole takes all the mithral and ghost touched pure good I stick in and vends it, it ****es me off.

[Jonny_D]

The only thing I use guild chest for is trades to guildies who I dont feel like waiting for... unless someone else took that stack of +2 tomes :eek:;)

[herzkos]

well...thing is...

and this happens alot in many guilds I am in. Im nvr the person recruiting and I dont really try to be in any particular guild.

But anyway,

chest starts turning up empty.

I start accounting names of people in crime time. send guild lder list.

happens once or twice more. within days.

I do the same...Encourage guild leader to boot folks who I think are responsible.

Guild leader removes chest.

I would like to put stuff in for people to use. But when some Ahole takes all the mithral and ghost touched pure good I stick in and vends it, it ****es me off.

potential solution:
don't put it in the guild chest. put it in your shared bank (if you have one) and talk to your guildies.
communication is key.
only put things in a chest that you don't care if they go missing.

i don't blame the leader for removing the chest because it's just causing drama in the guild.
and while i'm sure that all the guild leaders of the guilds you're in trust you implicitly, it's kinda hard to
justify booting someone from the guild because another guildy says they took something from a chest that
they had every right to loot.

[ceiswyn]

Really? We had the opposite problem. People constantly filled it with so much vendor trash that the officers were kept constantly busy clearing space in the thing.

It must be the guilds you run with.

(Nowadays we have a set of dedicated guild bank alts, and anyone who wants something can request it from the guild bank. Works beautifully, but we're lucky there's someone willing to do the admin!)

[Zuldar]

Wait, why are you putting things in the chest for people to use and then complaining when people use them? Isn't this the intended purpose, you don't expect items to stay in there indefinitely do you? The bottom line is don't put things in there you can't afford to lose.

[Memnir]

Not needed in guilds where trust is present.

[Canopenner]

well..

when I make the accusation I always include my name if im logged in. and I can understand getting rid of the chest instead of kicking folks out.

***Im not complaining about people taking stuff and using it, I said that. Read my post again. I said the chest is emptied.***

I have had problems where people put trash in and fill it so I must take stuff out to make space...accounting would help with that too cause then I could see who was putting the +1 junk in there.

I know I ask alot, dont I?


when I have these problems it is always smaller guilds run by a TR who has started a guild as a pet project...I would say they are average guilds in terms of recruiting, play style, etc...

[LoneWolfie]

it seems the guild chests are a source of whining all over
don't put stuff in the guild chest if u don't want it to disappear... period end of story
if you put it in there then it's free for anyone to take for whatever purpose they want... be it to sell or use or give to someone else
if you have items that you feel guild members would benefit from and want to see those items POSSIBLY put to use then save them and post them on your guilds website... if you don't have a guild website make one :P
there are tons of free hosting sites out there for such things

[fluffybunnywilson]

without being able to see who is putting in and who is taking out these are worthless.

They are just pits for theives for rob.

Fix them so there is accounting pls.

I put stuff in the guild chest that I consider trash (+1 tomes, Holy of trash suffix weapons, Metalline of Pure Good weapons that are a trash weapon type, etc) that other, newer players would still get some use from. I also put things in the guild chest that I do use, but that I just have more of than I need like spare level 8 and 9 scrolls, +5 Thieves Tools, etc.

Instead of worrying about whether the people who took those items out of the chest "deserved" them or whatever, I'm just happy that the items are being used.

I'd also put a hundred thousand plat in the guild chest every time it ran low if we were able to put plat in the chest.

As long as someone in the guild is getting use from the item, then I'm happy. That's what the guild chest is for, after all.

[fluffybunnywilson]

(Nowadays we have a set of dedicated guild bank alts, and anyone who wants something can request it from the guild bank. Works beautifully, but we're lucky there's someone willing to do the admin!)

This works very well in my experience. A single free to play account can be upgraded to premium with a cheap purchase of Turbine Points and then you can use those TP to buy a couple of extra character slots.

Stormreachbankone can hold all of the twink weapons that people donate.

Stormreachbanktwo can hold all of the twink armor and items that people donate.

Stormreachbankthree can hold all of the high level weapons that people donate.

Stormreachbankfour can hold all of the high level armor and items that people donate.

[ceiswyn]

This works very well in my experience. A single free to play account can be upgraded to premium with a cheap purchase of Turbine Points and then you can use those TP to buy a couple of extra character slots.

And you can normally find a few guildies who are happy to run 'em through House K quests for the extra bank space.

It's a pain for whoever's running that account, though, as they have to log in regularly and sell a lot of trash.

[Mudcnd]

well..


***Im not complaining about people taking stuff and using it, I said that. Read my post again. I said the chest is emptied.***


Sounds like they just did a really good job at taking stuff, you sir need to find better guildies and if it bugs you so much don't put stuff in the box.

[Bodic]

I like where I live in RL and it reflects to my DDO guild also.

I can park my shelby GT 500 outside the bar with the krys in it get my drink on and a few hours later its still there with the hundreddollar bill that has never left the dash in 10 years just to prove a point

[Elaril]

I would love for someone to rob my guild's chest. More inventory space for me. :D

[SynalonEtuul]

It's not needed in good guilds, but it would still be nice to have. I think we're in danger of acting as though there being 9 or 10 selfish people in a guild with 200+ members somehow signifies that it is a terrible guild.

[Canopenner]

thanks guys for suggesting I not put stuff in the bank...

really that had never occurred to me.

But that makes it worthless unless I become chest robber myself. General consensus becomes dont use guild chest...remove guild chest.

See how I opened up with guild chest is useless in OP.

[EllisDee37]

Can't non-guild members loot the chest if they get airship invites?

The guild I'm in (just me and the leader, currently level 22) will soon be getting a chest, so I've been trying to think about how we should use it. My plan is pretty simple: Only "clean" gear (no trash suffix) that my characters have outleveled. Quality loot I have no use for is exactly what I'd like to see go to guildmates.

My only concern is once we get a chest, do we have to stop giving out airship invites lest the chest get ransacked? It's not like you can do anything to stop a chest looter, right? (Asks the guy who has never even seen a guild chest, much less used one.)

[fluffybunnywilson]

thanks guys for suggesting I not put stuff in the bank...

really that had never occurred to me.

But that makes it worthless unless I become chest robber myself. General consensus becomes dont use guild chest...remove guild chest.

See how I opened up with guild chest is useless in OP.

Actually, the general consensus that I saw in this thread was to continue to put stuff in the chest and then have happy thoughts when you see the stuff no longer in the chest because it means that someone else is using that stuff.

...just don't put the super-mega-valuable stuff in the chest because that's just stupid.

Guild chests are for items that are "almost" valuable like a Holy Heavy Pick of Deception. Not for stuff like unbound +4 tomes and Flawless Red Dragon Scales.

[uthanak69]

Can't non-guild members loot the chest if they get airship invites?

The guild I'm in (just me and the leader, currently level 22) will soon be getting a chest, so I've been trying to think about how we should use it. My plan is pretty simple: Only "clean" gear (no trash suffix) that my characters have outleveled. Quality loot I have no use for is exactly what I'd like to see go to guildmates.

My only concern is once we get a chest, do we have to stop giving out airship invites lest the chest get ransacked? It's not like you can do anything to stop a chest looter, right? (Asks the guy who has never even seen a guild chest, much less used one.)

Only guild members can open it.

[moops]

I agree with others that you should find a guild with stricter recruiting policies, and people you know and trust.

Our chest is stacked with Mithrals for every level, Major Pots, Shroud ingreds even larges, Boot Ingredients, recipies, etc. Someone could get very rich looting our chest, but no one has every taken advantage of it, I have awesome guildies.

[Ugumagre]

I didnt even know there was something like a Guild Chest. A new world of evil doing opens before my eyes: going from guild to guild looting chests!!! I should make a new character with an evil name, something like "Mortimer" (yes, the name is evil, I decided so), George William or Lehmann and try to enter different guilds.
Now seriously, you have two options:
- Small guild with guildies you know
- Chest with limited access (only for officers and leader). If somebody wants something, should contact the leader or the officers.

[Nysrock]

One solution is to not invite other people on your ship as they can loot your chest. Also, having an extended trial period running with someone before inviting them into the guild also helps weed some looters out.

Best thing still is to find a guildy with the room for a bank toon and have a guild forums where you can post what he has and people can request items. I've done that in the past with guilds and seems to work great. Course the poor bank guy has extra work but no solution is perfect.:cool:

[Daggertooth]

Yeah lets spend more time and resources babysitting guildies and accounting for the thievery between them. Never mind new content, I think we need a special development team who can monitor the bickering that goes on and keep a record of the garbage that they pass between each other. Hell, maybe Turbine should hire additional GM's who can be posted on each ship to watch over the guild chests. Nevermind customer service or handling tickets, what everyone really cares about is what is going on with the guild chests!
Yeah... and then, and then we can set up NEW guild chests for Guild Alliances... each channel can have a NEW chest... and then Turbine can hire new GM's to monitor what goes on in those chests and make sure nothing 'inappropriate' is going on. And since everyone is interested and gives a flying **** everyone can access this information on a special website, so EVERYONE can see just what is going on with the guild chests... this way people can PM each other as to who is actually taking this stuff!
Guys this is good... all we need now are more GM's to monitor the PM's to make sure that nothing backhanded is going on with the people who are being blacklisted.
I'm excited already... people the FUTURE of DDO is upon us!

[Musouka]

See how I opened up with guild chest is useless in OP.
Actually, you did not say they were useless.


without being able to see who is putting in and who is taking out these are worthless.


To you, they may be worthless, but they are not useless.

They have a use, and it is to share stuff you don't want with the guild. Even if it is just the small percentage of platinum they may receive from vendoring it.

[Cendaer]

without being able to see who is putting in and who is taking out these are worthless.

They are just pits for theives for rob.

Fix them so there is accounting pls.

Why do you need to know who is putting in and who is taking out? The purpose of the guild chest is so that people in the guild can fill it up with stuff they want to give to their guildmates, and then their guildmates can come along and select items from the chest if they want them. People put things in when they're feeling generous, and they take stuff out when they're feeling needy.

There's no need to know who put what in the chest, unless that person really feels like they need some sort of recognition for their generousity; but then, if someone feels the need for recognition in a situation like that, they're not actually being generous.

There's no need to know who took something out of the chest, because the items are placed in the chest with the intention that a guildmate will come along and take them. What's the point in knowing exactly who's taking what, when those items were put there for any guildmate that wants them?

There's no need to fix the guild chests, because there's nothing wrong with them. They serve the purpose they were intended to serve: distributing items to your fellow guildmates.

It is up to your guild to fix this situation. If you don't want thieves ransacking your guild's chest, then either stop inviting thieves into your guild OR stop using the treasure chest that can be accessed by anyone in your guild.

If the guild chest is an issue for your guild, nothing Turbine does to "fix" the treasure chest will fix your guild. It's up to a guild to take care of itself, and if it can't ... well, then it's really not much of a guild.

[Daggertooth]

well...thing is...

and this happens alot in many guilds I am in. Im nvr the person recruiting and I dont really try to be in any particular guild.

But anyway,

chest starts turning up empty.

I start accounting names of people in crime time. send guild lder list.

happens once or twice more. within days.

I do the same...Encourage guild leader to boot folks who I think are responsible.

Guild leader removes chest.

I would like to put stuff in for people to use. But when some Ahole takes all the mithral and ghost touched pure good I stick in and vends it, it ****es me off.

If I'm not mistaken you can submit a ticket if that happens and the GM can check the logs and find out where the stuff went. If they can't track it down, and don't quote me on this, you can have it escalated, but only if the value of the items was over a certain threshold. If the item was a metalline of PG OR a khopesh, they can escalate it to Fernando, and he can schedule a maintenance downtime so that the item can be recovered. Like I said, I haven't had to do this but I had guildies who have. I believe the last downtime we had was due to a missing khopesh.

[phum]

If I'm not mistaken you can submit a ticket if that happens and the GM can check the logs and find out where the stuff went. If they can't track it down, and don't quote me on this, you can have it escalated, but only if the value of the items was over a certain threshold. If the item was a metalline of PG OR a khopesh, they can escalate it to Fernando, and he can schedule a maintenance downtime so that the item can be recovered. Like I said, I haven't had to do this but I had guildies who have. I believe the last downtime we had was due to a missing khopesh.

this made me lol

[Teharahma]

Not needed, if you trust your guildies.

For instance, we have several epic scrolls some awesome gear like Docent of Defiance/Quickening and stuff in it. But people only take it when its necessary or if they could use it for a while. Then they put it back.

[whitehawk74]

One solution is to not invite other people on your ship as they can loot your chest.
Inviting someone up to your ship is not a problem as they cant use the chest.


Also, having an extended trial period running with someone before inviting them into the guild also helps weed some looters out
This ^^^^
And yes, recruiting for numbers and guild points will cause problems. Run with people a few times. If they arnt on your friends list, dont recruit them.

[learst]

*casts Resist Fire, prepares for neg rep*

I can see where you're coming from though, I can see some new player being recruited after 1 or 2 runs and you think the guy is decent player.. and bam! all things in the chest guild disappears. Sometimes in large guilds, it's hard to track who just joined or left etc.

However, most forum posters think this is unnecessary things, as they have tight screening procedures when recruiting guild members - probably some super long series of tests.

Ironically, I recall a long drama-post thread not too long ago about guild leadership transferring from leader to an officer if the leader was absent for 2 weeks and strangely majority of the folks were so worried and against it.

[phum]

Yes some accounting would really be a good thing for a great number of guilds. Not all guilds in the game are end game guilds and many will never be. In those growing, more open guilds people are less inclined to take responsibility for things they consider unimportant.

I'd prefer a mechanism that allows the original owner to define restrictions as to who can take the item. Example: I put a greataxe in the chest and that a barb can take it and mark it show that I put it there. In the chest the greataxe ahows that I put it in and any1 with a lvl in barb (or me) can take it. That way even if you do not meet the reqs you can contact me and ask if you can have it.

Would be nice to have some accounting.. for now the chest is just a source of grief or something that is ignored for many more open guilds. It definetly could be more.

[Sirea]

Yes some accounting would really be a good thing for a great number of guilds. Not all guilds in the game are end game guilds and many will never be. In those growing, more open guilds people are less inclined to take responsibility for things they consider unimportant.

I'd prefer a mechanism that allows the original owner to define restrictions as to who can take the item. Example: I put a greataxe in the chest and that a barb can take it and mark it show that I put it there. In the chest the greataxe ahows that I put it in and any1 with a lvl in barb (or me) can take it. That way even if you do not meet the reqs you can contact me and ask if you can have it.

Would be nice to have some accounting.. for now the chest is just a source of grief or something that is ignored for many more open guilds. It definetly could be more.

You don't have to be an end game "elitist" guild to have a little discretion on who you recruit.

Yeah, because barbarians are the only ones who can make use of a greataxe :rolleyes: In any case, if you *really* want a barb to use the axe, how about using guild chat and saying "hey, I have this nice axe, any barbs need it?" Seems like a lot of unnecessary programming for what amounts to a simple communications issue.

But I understand, who actually wants to talk to their guildies, amirite?

This is one of those recurring non-issues here on the forums that make little to no sense. People taking stuff out of the guild chest is WAI. If you are that worried about people ransacking it, either don't put stuff in there you'd like to see again, or don't recruit every Joe Schmoe off the Korthos boat.

[Daggertooth]

Could also be the unlock for reaching lvl 100... ... Guild Accountant... this officer keeps a record of what goes in and out of the guild chest, and can also accept donations and keeps a record of who contributed what towards guild amenities etc.

[phum]

Yeah, because barbarians are the only ones who can make use of a greataxe :rolleyes: In any case, if you *really* want a barb to use the axe, how about using guild chat and saying "hey, I have this nice axe, any barbs need it?" Seems like a lot of unnecessary programming for what amounts to a simple communications issue.

But I understand, who actually wants to talk to their guildies, amirite?

If you didn't get it, my example was quite simplified^^ Lol would u be happy if I said in my example any1 proficient could take it? I never specified the available restrictions and I don't think it's needed when making a suggestion. Any specifications should be made by whoever implements it.

Ya many people already use asking on guild chat whether any1 needs something they want to give, but this is clearly inferior in all aspects to a working guild chest. Only so many ppl on any given time. And no, simply stricter recruiting does not solve the problem. You only get rid of idiots who simply empty the chest. THe problem are the ones that take litlle by little and never use what they take. Would you like having more of those in your guild?:)

Yes it might be a bit coding. As pretty much any suggestion. Whether or not it's unnecessary is a personal opinion.

[dunklezhan]

officer only chests would probably solve this issue, assuming you aren't one of those odd guilds that makes everyone an officer.

But to be honest, communication is key. Let everyone know what the chest policy is, and if it starts to appear to be abused... then remove the chest for a while.

Our guild's chest policy is as follows, all new members should be directed to read it by whoever invited them:

1. Take things from the guild chest if you can equip them and use them.
2. Do not take things from the guild chest to sell unless you're doing it to free up space - and generally only an officer should be doing this. Officers - put money made from freeing up space in the guild airship fund, or use it to extend amenities etc :)
3. To avoid cluttering up the chest, try not put trash in the chest.
4. To avoid cluttering up the chest, if its a named item and there's already one in the chest, don't stick another one in there unless its a really good one.

We came up with this after a few incidents occurred after a recent recruiting drive. We operated a brief sting, got rid of the perpetrator, and put the above policy in place. No more incidents.

[EustaceTrevelyan]

You can have a large guild, or you can have a guild where everyone is totally trustworthy. Very hard to have both. Too bad the officer chest is store only. I agree it sucks when you get robbed. Really, having a chest to put just junk that you don't care if someone takes all of it seems like a waste of a spot.

[Hendrik]

Use the Officer only chest.

:cool:

In light of that, better to ask for the ability to assign rank/privileges to guild to be finished and returned to us...


Take Dunk's advice to heart, made some very good points.

[Canopenner]

so much feedback!

TY so much everyone!

Lemme try to sum up my replies.

I dont know how many resources it would take to make the guild leader see who has put in and taken out...I personally dont care to see. Whoever was saying I wanted to see is under a misconception...

I did not know there was an officer chest only...Have never seen one and dont mess with guild hookpoint stuff...will recommend to those who do thank you very much to the folks who talked about that.

I am considering this issue closed from my standpoint. I still wont mess with recruiting process or worry about what guild Im in. But I will voice what I learned from yall.

I only posted this because other games I have played do have guild bank accounting, And i think its a good idea.

Anyway thank you all again and have a nice day!