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[Pwesiela]

Spot check critical failure!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f345/mehn_deke/image001.jpg


No mountain lions were hurt in the making of this photo. I know the guy's brother. Lucky for him, the camera flash scared the lion off. He had just shot his elk, had set up the camera for an automatic photo, and didn't notice the lion till he was back home the next day showing the photos off to his kids.

[LoveNeverFails]

O.O

what could have been a really really terrible day ended up being something slightly hilarious.

[Teharahma]

Oh goodie, animal cruelty.

[Daunth]

O.O

what could have been a really really terrible day ended up being something slightly hilarious.

the elk wouldn't really agree...

[MartinusWyllt]

Oh goodie, animal cruelty.

Because it is less cruel to allow them to overpopulate, starve and die of disease.

We made this wildlife bed, so we have to lie in it. Depopulating the predators and making ample, rich food readily available means we have to do the culling that natural selection would have had done otherwise.

Hilarious, by the way, I might have to share this picture.

[Stitch78]

No mountain lions were hurt in the making of this photo.

Elk, on the other hand...

[Noctus]

Gosh, how i like living in Hesse, when the biggest predator in the woods is .... the housecat.

[Draccus]

Meat is murder!

Tasty, tasty, murder.

[dkyle]

Party ****in' time:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/hunting/stalking.asp

[LoveNeverFails]

Wow. Really? Completely ignore the fact that the man could have gotten mauled, and concentrate on the fact that he's out hunting a probably overpopulated animal anyway?

Are you guys the kind of people that leave out cheese for your house rats?

[MartinusWyllt]

Party ****in' time:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/hunting/stalking.asp

****, I rolled a 1 on my snopes check.

[MartinusWyllt]

Are you guys the kind of people that leave out cheese for your house rats?

I left bread out for a Norwegian rat...next to a glue trap.

Rat got stuck, I put it in a bag, took the bag outside, proceeded to hit the bag with a heavy frying pan....no more rat.

[toughguyjoe]

Oh goodie, animal cruelty.

Hunting is specifically defined as NOT being cruel.

Shot at medium range, accurate weapon that kills the beast in one clean blow.

Skin and Head are tanned and mounted, used as decoration.

Meat is processed, frozen and later eaten.

Other remains are disposed of in a proper fashion.

We call this modern hunting. What you call it is irrelevant.

[kinar]

Party ****in' time:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/hunting/stalking.asp

I was pretty certain I had seen this before too.

kinda surprising that the OP actually claimed to know this person.

Perhaps she/he knows the person who did the photoshop :)

[ProdigalGuru]

Best picture EVER!

[LoveNeverFails]

I left bread out for a Norwegian rat...next to a glue trap.

Rat got stuck, I put it in a bag, took the bag outside, proceeded to hit the bag with a heavy frying pan....no more rat.

this made me giggle. Thanks.

[LoveNeverFails]

Hunting is specifically defined as NOT being cruel.

Shot at medium range, accurate weapon that kills the beast in one clean blow.

Skin and Head are tanned and mounted, used as decoration.

Meat is processed, frozen and later eaten.

Other remains are disposed of in a proper fashion.

We call this modern hunting. What you call it is irrelevant.


This. I'm not a hunter (city girl born and bred, only in the country now for the love of my life while we save to move back to the city), but hey, maybe living out here in the country made me sympathetic. All I know is that if anyone has any deer meat they wanna get rid of and live in the southeaster NC region, send me a PM. :D

[blitzschlag]

Best fake picture EVER!

fixed that for you

[elujin]

Hunting is specifically defined as NOT being cruel.

Shot at medium range, accurate weapon that kills the beast in one clean blow.

Skin and Head are tanned and mounted, used as decoration.

Meat is processed, frozen and later eaten.

Other remains are disposed of in a proper fashion.

We call this modern hunting. What you call it is irrelevant.

less cruel yes

but for fairness sake i would say hunt with a blunted spoon :)

no realy i don't like hunting and i woudn't do it but whats the diffrence shooting a elk or buying one in the store.
shooting one is probebly kinder to the elk

[Pape_27]

Elk... Big elk... Big dead elk...

that thing in the back ground though... is that one of those razor cats that can be found in ataraxia? It has them glowey eyes and all, kinda makes me wonder...













all in all though, looks like he was hunting at night... where I'm from that is kinda considered a no-no

[Alex301]

Hunting is specifically defined as NOT being cruel.

We call this modern hunting. What you call it is irrelevant.

However you wish to define it is irrelevant. 'Modern hunting' is still hunting for sport, which is cruel and i morally object to.

[Zaodon]

However you wish to define it is irrelevant. 'Modern hunting' is still hunting for sport, which is cruel and i morally object to.

Yes, people should never be allowed to kill an animal and use its meat to feed themselves.

They should buy their meat from the grocery store...
(who killed an animal and packaged the meat to put on the shelf where you can buy it).

[Alex301]

Yes, people should never be allowed to kill an animal and use its meat to feed themselves.

They should buy their meat from the grocery store...
(who killed an animal and packaged the meat to put on the shelf where you can buy it).

i don't agree with the mass and unnecessary slaughter of animals either, but that's a different point. The man in the picture did not hunt the elk to feed himself but killed it for no justified reason.

[Zaodon]

i don't agree with the mass and unnecessary slaughter of animals either, but that's a different point. The man in the picture did not hunt the elk to feed himself but killed it for no justified reason.

Can you tell me what tomorrow's Lotto numbers are, too?!

Man, I love psychic people who can magically divine facts from a still photo.....

[Der_Incubo]

i don't agree with the mass and unnecessary slaughter of animals either, but that's a different point. The man in the picture did not hunt the elk to feed himself but killed it for no justified reason.

I, for one, do. As a meatatarian i feel we should slaughter animals indiscriminately. You know they produce methane gas that is destroying our ozone layer and causing global warming right?!

And as plants produce the oxygen we breath, as well as get rid of the carbon dioxide our vehicles produce i also feel anyone who would kill and eat a plant should be beaten to an inch of life lest they repent their horrible ways!

[Antheal]

Skin and Head are tanned and mounted, used as decoration.

This is why hunting for sport is barbaric.

[My2Cents]

Hunting is specifically defined as NOT being cruel.

Shot at medium range, accurate weapon that kills the beast in one clean blow.

Skin and Head are tanned and mounted, used as decoration.

Meat is processed, frozen and later eaten.

Other remains are disposed of in a proper fashion.

We call this modern hunting. What you call it is irrelevant.

Being City-bred I have no experience with hunting.

I understand and respect how many people unfamiliar with hunting might be offended at the act of killing a wild animal and want to distance themselves from what many view as an unpleasant but necessary part of life.

I understand and respect how the hunter acts responsibly and honorably in a long tradition required for our survival and for maintaining natural food-chain balance.

I don't understand the last line above, though. Don't fellow humans deserve the same respect as other members of the food chain?

Oh wait, I just saw the user name. That explains everything.

Never mind.

[Bodic]

Give it up people the animal is dead. The man was allowed to hunt it. Come to Iowa and hunt you some DEER please we need to cull about 6000. Deer kill people just by standing in the road at the last second as you are driving by into them.

When your here you can buy all the good beef and pork(we feedem n killem too) to go with your venison.

[Daunth]

if the thread is about hunting, it should be moved to the barbarian forum

- overpopulation (which can be caused by the excessive hunt for a predator, or by the introduction of a species by hunter themselves, such is the case for modern elks) is taken care by professionals who select sick and weak adults. The amateur hunter just shoots what he finds. And uses overpopulation as excuse. Or sometimes he claim he was being attacked.

- meat produced in livestocks is more than enough to fulfill any need. Those animals are born specifically for being killed, and they wouldn't even exist if their meat were not to be eaten. This is not the same for wild animals, who are also a resource for ecotourism, and whose death just isn't needed.

- hunting will be a sport as soon as animals will have go around equipped with a gun. It may be called in many different ways, but sport is another thing. Some people feel a shiver of power when embracing a gun, and need to justify it in some ways. Tastes are personal, but a corpse above a fireplace can be replaced with many different things. And meat from an animal can be replaced with meat from an already dead animal.

What is called "big game" is a marvellous creature, when alive! I've got a picture of a reindeer taken while crossing Norway, and it's a far better trophy than a severed head.

[Zaodon]

- meat produced in livestocks is more than enough to fulfill any need. Those animals are born specifically for being killed, and they wouldn't even exist if their meat were not to be eaten. This is not the same for wild animals, who are also a resource for ecotourism, and whose death just isn't needed.

So, people should be forced to rely on mega-corporations (who control all the food) for their ability to live, instead of being Free (aka U.S. Constitution) to live however we wish, including the freedom to hunt for our own food.

Is that what you're saying?

[Alex301]

Can you tell me what tomorrow's Lotto numbers are, too?!

Man, I love psychic people who can magically divine facts from a still photo.....

Perhaps not, but we can make inferences with a reasonable degree of accuracy. Now a man wearing manufactured camouflage gear and a rifle who takes the time to set up a photo and smile while holding his kill is probably doing it for sport.

[Miow]

Ignorance is bliss, hunting is far more humane than growing chickens and cows with steroids(which some never see the light of day) then slaughtering them or electrocuting them to death. Those who think hunting is cruel have no clue and need to be educated by a real hunter and not base their opinions on movies and sensationalism that they probably saw on TV.

Yes i hunt and thank mother earth/nature for the opportunity to feed me and my family.

[Miow]

Perhaps not, but we can make inferences with a reasonable degree of accuracy. Now a man wearing manufactured camouflage gear and a rifle who takes the time to set up a photo and smile while holding his kill is probably doing it for sport.

No you cannot, 90 percent of hunter eat their kill the other 10 percent donate it to feed the homeless/poor.

[Zaodon]

Perhaps not, but we can make inferences with a reasonable degree of accuracy. Now a man wearing manufactured camouflage gear and a rifle who takes the time to set up a photo and smile while holding his kill is probably doing it for sport.

****.

I really wanted to hit the Lotto. I hate work.

[elujin]

Perhaps not, but we can make inferences with a reasonable degree of accuracy. Now a man wearing manufactured camouflage gear and a rifle who takes the time to set up a photo and smile while holding his kill is probably doing it for sport.

i agree i am sure the elk woudn't have mind that mutch if it was eaten on the spot with out that panzy posing going on ;)

[Draccus]

all in all though, looks like he was hunting at night... where I'm from that is kinda considered a no-no

I'm not a hunter but I'm an archer so I do spend a bit of time with folks who hunt.

Deer and deer-like mammals are most active at dawn and at dusk so that's when most people hunt. Most animals do not simply die in place after being shot. It can take several minutes to over an hour for the animal to die. After making a successful shot on an animal, the hunter will almost always stay in place and not chase the animal. A chased animal will keep running. An animal left to die on it's own will bed down and die near to where it was shot.

So, in the case of a hunter hunting at dusk, it's VERY common for them to not find the animal until well after dark. That's why you see so many "look at what I shot!" pictures taken in the dark.

Again, I'm not a hunter, but I know a bit about how it works.

[Alex301]

I, for one, do. As a meatatarian i feel we should slaughter animals indiscriminately. You know they produce methane gas that is destroying our ozone layer and causing global warming right?!

And as plants produce the oxygen we breath, as well as get rid of the carbon dioxide our vehicles produce i also feel anyone who would kill and eat a plant should be beaten to an inch of life lest they repent their horrible ways!

Huh? i'm not sure this post is serious or sarcastic. Global warming is a natural process and is necessary for sustained life. The accelerated rate due to human activity is not and that is why it is an issue.

While deforestation is a problem, eating a few vegetables is not going to make much of a difference and is hardly the problem.

[Miow]

I'm not a hunter but I'm an archer so I do spend a bit of time with folks who hunt.

Deer and deer-like mammals are most active at dawn and at dusk so that's when most people hunt. Most animals do not simply die in place after being shot. It can take several minutes to over an hour for the animal to die. After making a successful shot on an animal, the hunter will almost always stay in place and not chase the animal. A chased animal will keep running. An animal left to die on it's own will bed down and die near to where it was shot.

So, in the case of a hunter hunting at dusk, it's VERY common for them to not find the animal until well after dark. That's why you see so many "look at what I shot!" pictures taken in the dark.

Again, I'm not a hunter, but I know a bit about how it works.

Pretty much bang on, and i can also add by experience that when you take a photo in low light it looks like it's dark outside.

[toughguyjoe]

However you wish to define it is irrelevant. 'Modern hunting' is still hunting for sport, which is cruel and i morally object to.


The man in the picture did not hunt the elk to feed himself but killed it for no justified reason.


Perhaps not, but we can make inferences with a reasonable degree of accuracy. Now a man wearing manufactured camouflage gear and a rifle who takes the time to set up a photo and smile while holding his kill is probably doing it for sport.


When I am lucky enough to obtain a moose hunting permit, I go out into the swamp, and I shoot a moose.

I then pose with the amazingly large animal, and take pictures.

Then, I remove the moose from the woods(Not a small undertaking) and take it to a local butcher, who prepares the meat for consumption.

Neither of us knows for sure whether the man in the photo is going to eat his Elk.

I for one didn't pass judgement on him without knowing for sure.

If you want to make inferences with a reasonable degree of accuracy, then I would interject that hunters that I am friends with professionally butcher and consume any kill they take, and only take what is legally allowed.

This would allow me to infer that hunters generally consume what they kill.

I understand being morally opposed to it, but passing judgement based on a photo of a man posing with an Elk is not really fair.

[Alex301]

No you cannot, 90 percent of hunter eat their kill the other 10 percent donate it to feed the homeless/poor.

i am not ignorant, i simply do not agree with either. And my point was not that the man wouldn't eat the kill, but his reasons for hunting in the first place. I highly doubt the man in the photograph needed to kill the elk for food.

[Quanefel]

So, people should be forced to rely on mega-corporations (who control all the food) for their ability to live, instead of being Free (aka U.S. Constitution) to live however we wish, including the freedom to hunt for our own food.

Is that what you're saying?


None of what you just wrote will ever be a consideration in the mind of a vegan. You should know how they act and think by now.

[Daunth]

So, people should be forced to rely on mega-corporations (who control all the food)

I don't know where you live, but here we have "farms". And stores not controlled by corporation selling their products.
It's a matter of being honest: "hunting for food" is an excuse. A hunter kills for fun, and then eats the animal's meat because, well, it's there, why not take it home? It's also much tastier than normal!
It has nothing to do with freedom to fetch your food. It's just leisure, and then surplus food as by-product of such leisure.

[toughguyjoe]

Instead of locked, can we get this moved to off topic please?

I just feel like I'm going to lots more to say...

[Miow]

i am not ignorant, i simply do not agree with either. And my point was not that the man wouldn't eat the kill, but his reasons for hunting in the first place. I highly doubt the man in the photograph needed to kill the elk for food.

Of course YOU highly doubt it, but he only knows right? If you can save a ton of money by gathering your own meat why would you pay someone to grow and slaughter it for you. Did i mention it's much healthier for you?

[Hokiewa]

I don't know where you live, but here we have "farms". And stores not controlled by corporation selling their products.
It's a matter of being honest: "hunting for food" is an excuse. A hunter kills for fun, and then eats the animal's meat because, well, it's there, why not take it home? It's also much tastier than normal!
It has nothing to do with freedom to fetch your food. It's just leisure, and then surplus food as by-product of such leisure.

What broad strokes we paint.....

The area I live in, a moderate percentage of the people in the surrounding areas hunt for food to live. Not for fun, not for "sport", to live. Calling it "leisure" simply reaffirms your lack of knowledge of this particular subject. It's amusing.....

[blitzschlag]

so posting a random fake picture with a (obvious?) lie about knowing the brother of the man in the picture produces a thread about

the pro and contra of sports hunting
deer intentionally killing ppl by running on the street (never heard such a horrendous bulls*)

get a grip ppl

[Alex301]

Of course YOU highly doubt it, but he only knows right? If you can save a ton of money by gathering your own meat why would you pay someone to grow and slaughter it for you. Did i mention it's much healthier for you?

yes, only he knows and if the man really needed to kill for the provision of food then i retract my statement about him. This is not the case for most though and i doubt this is the case for him too. my points are really about hunting for sport in general.

Any points i have made and may make can probably be summarized by this view: i do not condone the unnecessary suffering/death of animals.

[Stitch78]

Those who think hunting is cruel have no clue and need to be educated by a real hunter and not base their opinions on movies and sensationalism that they probably saw on TV.

I, like any good person of my age, prefer to base my opinions entirely from on the support of anonymous internet postings tinged with rage, sarcasm and/or righteous indignation. Unfortunately, I can rarely discern which is which. If it wasn't for internet forums, I probably wouldn't have any opinions at all.




No you cannot, 90 percent of hunter eat their kill the other 10 percent donate it to feed the homeless/poor.

Upwards of 74% of statistics are made up on the spot.

[Cordovan]

This discussion falls too much into the realm of politics, and would have belonged better in Off-Topic anyway (except it needs to be closed.)