The gimpiest gimp of gimp builds- THE UNDEAD ARCHER

[Zectarash]

Quick question: is Zen Archery passive or a stance?

And here's the gimpiest gimp of gimp builds (brought to you by Zectarash/Foluke/Izzam/ 10 other names):


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Undead Archer
Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male
(2 Monk \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Wizard)
Hit Points: 271
Spell Points: 943
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 12
Will: 15

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 14 14 14
Dexterity 10 10 10
Constitution 14 14 14
Intelligence 16 23 26
Wisdom 14 14 15
Charisma 10 10 10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 4 4 4
Bluff 0 0 0
Concentration 2 25 26
Diplomacy 4 23 24
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 2 11.5 11.5
Heal 2 2 2
Hide 4 23 24
Intimidate 0 0 0
Jump 2 2 2
Listen 2 2 2
Move Silently 4 23 24
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 3 8 8
Search 3 8 8
Spot 6 23.5 26.5
Swim 2 2 2
Tumble 3 3 3
Use Magic Device 0.5 0.5 0.5

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Icy Raiment \par Draconic Ring \par Chattering Ring \par Xachosian Eardweller \par Belt of the Defenders of Siberys \par Firestorm Greaves \par Kundarak Delving Boots \par Boots of the Innocent \par Vile Blasphemy \par Bramble-Casters \par Sanura's Band \par Bracers of the Glacier \par \par Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Barbarian
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Mixed Heritage
Feat: (Automatic) Half-Elven Social Graces (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Club
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Dagger
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Quarterstaff
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Unarmed
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 2 (Wizard)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Throwing Dagger
Spell (1): Charm Person
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Obscuring Mist
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Grease


Level 3 (Wizard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Spell (1): Tumble
Spell (1): Feather Fall


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Diplomacy (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (2): Knock
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Improved Diplomacy I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Spot I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Barbarian Toughness I


Level 5 (Wizard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Spell (2): Invisibility
Spell (2): Web
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Intelligence I


Level 6 (Wizard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Haste
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Spell (3): Chain Missiles
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Knight


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Haggle (+1.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy
Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistance Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Summon Skeleton Archer
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Mage


Level 9 (Wizard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (4): Death Aura
Spell (4): Fire Shield
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Barbarian Toughness II


Level 10 (Wizard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Spell (4): Wall of Fire
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting II


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Spell (5): Feeblemind
Spell (5): Cloudkill
Enhancement: Half-Elf Improved Damage Reduction II


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Spell (5): Teleport
Spell (5): Waves of Fatigue
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+2.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I


Level 14 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+7)
Spell (6): Greater Heroism
Spell (6): True Seeing
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 15 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+7)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Spell (6): Shadow Walk
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Concentration (+5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1.5)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II


Level 17 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1.5)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows


Level 18 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistance Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I


Level 19 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+6)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Lawful Outsider
Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Knight
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+6)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows




Note: some spells may get swapped with inscribed scrolls in-game.

All criticism must be constructive.

NO TROLLING!!!

[RudyMcghee]

Zen archery is passive.

[ka0t1c1sm]

As of Update 9 you won't be able to get Shroud of the Lich without 18 levels of Wizard. 12 levels of Wizard will be Shroud of the Vampire.

Edit: That might be interesting as Shroud of the Vampire should generate 25% less threat from spells and attacks. Wonder how that might effect archer aggro...

[Zectarash]

As of Update 9 you won't be able to get Shroud of the Lich without 18 levels of Wizard. 12 levels of Wizard will be Shroud of the Vampire.

Edit: That might be interesting as Shroud of the Vampire should generate 25% less threat from spells and attacks. Wonder how that might effect archer aggro...

I'll test it.

[Zectarash]

Zen archery is passive.

Phooey. And I wanted to use ki and Improved Precise Shot. Any ideas for that?

[hityawithastick]

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/stylenotsincerity/IAPPROVE.jpg?t=1303099407

[Zectarash]

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/stylenotsincerity/IAPPROVE.jpg?t=1303099407

Great!

[Entelech]

Uhm...

Not trolling here. Really. But I am wondering WHY MONK???

(1) It gets you a whopping +2 to AC. Wind Stance does NOT add to archery speed. Yeah, you gain two feats, but you have to give one back for Zen Archery, which is largely wasted.

(2) If it's martial feats you're after, Ranger 2 / Fighter 6 / Wizard 12 gives you a LOT more return on investment. And you can dump Wis, raise your Dex, and take Kensai I on top of Pale Master 2.

The reason I say this is that your 12 Wizard levels aren't going to end up being much use for offensive casting. You're going to need to be a pretty hot archer to compensate. I say this from experience -- I am playing a 2 Rogue / 6 Fighter / 12 Wizard intimitank Pale Master, and I also have a 2 Ranger / 6 Fighter / 12 Cleric (Radiant Servant 2 / Kensai 1 / Arcane Archer) I'm leveling up.

[unbongwah]

Wind Stance does NOT add to archery speed.
Are you sure about this? I thought Wind stance did add to both ranged & melee speed; but the problem is it's an enhancement bonus so it doesn't stack with Haste, which this build will be able to cast. And the double-strike bonus is definitely melee-only, as are monk strikes & finishers. So I agree that monk stances add very little to this build. Two extra feats & Evasion are nice, but by dumping DEX and not taking Insightful Reflexes, the OP has gimped their Reflex save; he also can't take Imp Prec Shot (reqs. base DEX 19).

OP: I think you would be better off refocusing your build on archery; as Entelech says, your offensive spells will be...unimpressive, but you might make a decent archer / buffer. Here's a rgr 6 / wiz 12 / ftr 2 AA build I posted for someone else; it's an Illusion Archmage for cheap Blur & Displacement, but could be switched to Pale Master by rejiggering the feats & enhs. [Transmutation for cheap Haste is another option.] You could also substitute a monk 2 splash instead of ftr, though you'd have to tweak the feats.


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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(2 Fighter \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Wizard)
Hit Points: 248
Spell Points: 838
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 15
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 24
Dexterity 17 22
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 12 16
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 8 8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 7 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Wizard)


Level 11 (Wizard)


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Illusion


Level 13 (Wizard)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Illusion


Level 19 (Wizard)


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Arcane Bolt
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage I
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage II
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage III
Enhancement: Archmage Spell Mastery I: Illusion
Enhancement: Illusion I - Invisibility
Enhancement: Illusion II - Blur
Enhancement: Illusion III - Displacement