For the love of Ebberron, can we please FRIEND and SQUELCH people by account.

[whitehawk74]

Hi. This is a slight mad rant, but also something I want to developers to implement.
I know this has come up recently, but I am mad and need to make a post purely for this purpose.
I just had a bad run with a very frustrating person, and it turned out that it was the same person that I squelched only yesterday for being an absolute D!CK.

I have had to clear out a lot of friends to make room for new ones, fortunately I am good at remembering alias's.
I don't know how many friends we are allowed to have, but when they have 6 characters each the list fills up very, very fast.

Now for the squelching.
When I squelch someone it's for a **** good reason, and just because the person re-rolls their character or is playing a different one doesn't mean I still want anything to do with them.

Some people are just 'male genitalia' no matter what class or race or time of day and I never want to deal with them again.
Some people are great, and I want to run with them and automatically have their alts added to my friends list. If this isn't possible can we please have much larger friends lists.

/signed

This is a repost because for some reason the original ended up in Recruitment. Why? not sure.
Original thread: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=312677

[Canopenner]

I agree about the friending. Havent had problems with whole accounts about the squelching.

Sometimes I squelch folks whose gain is turned all the way up for short amounts of time...would hate to see that stuff start to bug out.

[goblean]

The bugging part would be bad, but I would rather the other way around. Squelch account based, but I don't want random puggers friending my whole account.

I pug a majority of the time, and am in no way claiming to be mass uber, but I find that I end up leading and pulling groups through often. A lot of sub-optimal players then go ZOMG He's da bomb!1!! Friend 4eva! Then whenever I am on I get all sorts of tells and blind invites which is totally OK because we are now BFFs (Yes I've heard it was ok to blind invite me because I was in there friend list). Now, if I am being stalked, I just switch toons for a while and either the person eventually quits or out-levels that toon (Convenient excuse I have used, sorry won't get XP). So, last thing I would want is for some random pugger to see is ZOMG dude you gots a cleric too? Come heal us we are halfway through a dungeon and incapped on the floor.

So, maybe your plan would work if both people friend each other. Although, I don't want to have the drama of dude why didn't you friend me?

So, squelch yes please. Account based friends list, no thank you.

[Canopenner]

The bugging part would be bad, but I would rather the other way around. Squelch account based, but I don't want random puggers friending my whole account.

I pug a majority of the time, and am in no way claiming to be mass uber, but I find that I end up leading and pulling groups through often. A lot of sub-optimal players then go ZOMG He's da bomb!1!! Friend 4eva! Then whenever I am on I get all sorts of tells and blind invites which is totally OK because we are now BFFs (Yes I've heard it was ok to blind invite me because I was in there friend list). Now, if I am being stalked, I just switch toons for a while and either the person eventually quits or out-levels that toon (Convenient excuse I have used, sorry won't get XP). So, last thing I would want is for some random pugger to see is ZOMG dude you gots a cleric too? Come heal us we are halfway through a dungeon and incapped on the floor.

I like this and think its funny when I have a fan club. I have even gotten in game mail from people I pug with. I think its hilarious.

[varusso]

Another Turbine game, Asherons Call, finally added a /squelch account function after numerous player petitioned for it. And it was one of the best additions to the game EVER.

The account squelch was 'blind' you couldnt in any way see the other toons on the account, and they never showed up in any lists. The only thing you ever saw was <original squelched toon's name> - account. If someone was trying to send you tells, they actually received a /squelched message too BTW (something DDO should do, so the offending player actually gets a system-generated message that they were doing something wrong and should perhaps rethink their methods of interacting with others). If someone was talking/telling to you and you didnt see their text, but THAt toon wasnt on your squelch list, you knew they were an alt for another toon you HAD squelched. You just didnt know which one.

Now theoretically you COULD have unsquelched every toon on your list one at a time to find out who they were, but that wasnt really feasible. And besides, who cares? You squelched them cos you dont want to be bothered by them, not to stalk them -- at least in theory.

And they simply increased the size of the friends list. No, you shouldnt be able to add-account friends. Some folks dont want their alts known. Thats fine. Sometimes you just want some peace and quiet from friends/guildies.

I for one support an account squelch. If I squelch someone, its the PLAYER I dont want to deal with, not their toon. A bad player is a bad player. An obnoxious jerk is an obnoxious jerk. And if you pull the "I was just roleplaying my toon' nonsense, well thats fine, but guess what? You picked the wrong toon to RP with me. I "RP" all of my toons the same way: I have better things to do than deal with you.

/signed

[LazyTigerLily]

I like this idea, but I would be cautious about having anyone able to friend me and know all of my alts. I don't want just any Johnny Girl-Stalker who heard me talking in a shroud (like a pug my guild picks up for that last spot that there isn't anyone on in guild to fill) and decides to add me to their friends list so that they can see every time I am online. I would like to see this be an account based friendship that I extend to someone else. So say I have a friend whom I extend a friendship to, allowing me to share my toons and all with, and if they are comfortable with sharing that information with me they can choose to do so. Thing is I want it to be MY choice to allow them to see my information.

Account based squelch? Yup, love the idea! There are some people out there in the world whom I have encountered and would prefer not to run into again. If I could squelch their account I wouldn't have to (see Johnny Girl-Stalker) :)

[varusso]

I like this idea, but I would be cautious about having anyone able to friend me and know all of my alts. I don't want just any Johnny Girl-Stalker who heard me talking in a shroud (like a pug my guild picks up for that last spot that there isn't anyone on in guild to fill) and decides to add me to their friends list so that they can see every time I am online. I would like to see this be an account based friendship that I extend to someone else. So say I have a friend whom I extend a friendship to, allowing me to share my toons and all with, and if they are comfortable with sharing that information with me they can choose to do so. Thing is I want it to be MY choice to allow them to see my information.


^^ This.
Wait Wut? Ur a gurl?

<stalker mode activated>

>:-)~

[LazyTigerLily]

<stalker mode activated>

>:-)~

EEEEP!!!

/squelch add varusso

:p

[varusso]

EEEEP!!!

/squelch add varusso

:p

See? That would be a good thing (for her). Too bad she can't see me now though....but I can still see her....muahahah

,,,,could someone send her a /tell to unsquelch me? LOL

Oh wait...i can just switch toons! DUN DUN DUN!!!

[phalaeo]

I agree about the friending. Havent had problems with whole accounts about the squelching.

Sometimes I squelch folks whose gain is turned all the way up for short amounts of time...would hate to see that stuff start to bug out.

But see, that's why Turbine needs to fix it so that you can adjust individual volume. Problem solved. :D

[Tunst]

your idea may work if it had a bit of polishing done to it

I would personally like to see friends list be account based so when i add a friend, i dont have to log out and in 6 times to add their new toon.

[Zeroplan]

Ignore function would be fine for an account but not the friends. Sometimes i like to be undisturbed . Bad mood or to much beer and sth like that ^^.

[Zargarx]

I'm ok to account wide squelch, but abusive, rude people are my main reason to squelch.
My concerns are over use of this, especially with pugging:
1. sometimes people have an off-night. Yes they shouldn't have been drinking so much, or take too much cold meds, etc.
2. maybe they are not experienced at (or just not good at) being a specific class (e.g. healer), even though they do great with their usual class (e.g. rogue). So that disaster of in 1 class/role does not automatically mean that the other roles are bad. I have a lot of alts, this amplifies this concern.
3. within a guild, 1 squelch, possibly to a character not in the guild (e.g. experiment?) could affect many guild characters.
4. could they somehow find out what all the characters in that account after doing a squelch? That would not be good...

And definitely not account friend for the above reasons including privacy.

[Uska]

No thanks sometimes I want some of my characters private and dont wont a universial friend thing and unless they expand the squelch list it wuold really fill fast your way.

[Uska]

Another Turbine game, Asherons Call, finally added a /squelch account function after numerous player petitioned for it. And it was one of the best additions to the game EVER.

The account squelch was 'blind' you couldnt in any way see the other toons on the account, and they never showed up in any lists. The only thing you ever saw was <original squelched toon's name> - account. If someone was trying to send you tells, they actually received a /squelched message too BTW (something DDO should do, so the offending player actually gets a system-generated message that they were doing something wrong and should perhaps rethink their methods of interacting with others). If someone was talking/telling to you and you didnt see their text, but THAt toon wasnt on your squelch list, you knew they were an alt for another toon you HAD squelched. You just didnt know which one.

Now theoretically you COULD have unsquelched every toon on your list one at a time to find out who they were, but that wasnt really feasible. And besides, who cares? You squelched them cos you dont want to be bothered by them, not to stalk them -- at least in theory.

And they simply increased the size of the friends list. No, you shouldnt be able to add-account friends. Some folks dont want their alts known. Thats fine. Sometimes you just want some peace and quiet from friends/guildies.

I for one support an account squelch. If I squelch someone, its the PLAYER I dont want to deal with, not their toon. A bad player is a bad player. An obnoxious jerk is an obnoxious jerk. And if you pull the "I was just roleplaying my toon' nonsense, well thats fine, but guess what? You picked the wrong toon to RP with me. I "RP" all of my toons the same way: I have better things to do than deal with you.

/signed

for me it would be one of the worst things to add

[whitehawk74]

okay so the adding of a friend and all their alts is not too popular, but you can always run anonymously. I do sometimes because I just wanna be left alone, or I am doing clean up or something else.

adding 1 friend at a time is still fine with me, and if they were stacked on the same line it would clear up a lot of the list.

@LazyTigerLily: excellent point. as a guy I didnt even think of how it would help you girl gamers.
@Turbine: see, now you have to implement it - or its a sexual harassment case against you! dah dah daaaaaaah! :eek:

[varusso]

for me it would be one of the worst things to add

Why? Do you make a habit of ticking ppl off enough to make them want to squelch your entire account? Thats really the only detriment to an account squelch. On the user end, nothing really changes. You can squelch or not squelch, and you can choose to squelch by account or by toon. If for some reason you dont want to squelch by account, you can opt for by toon. If you are worried about someone ELSE squelching YOUR account -- well thats something you need to look at why you would be worried.


No thanks sometimes I want some of my characters private and dont wont a universial friend thing and unless they expand the squelch list it would really fill fast your way.

One of the advantages to an account squelch is that it SAVES space on your squelch list. Instead of squelching a player's 6+ toons, taking up 6+ slots you squelch the ACCOUNT and take up only ONE slot in your list.

[Canopenner]

But see, that's why Turbine needs to fix it so that you can adjust individual volume. Problem solved. :D

we are way off topic but is there a thread you can link me to for that?

I will bump it alot!

[varusso]

I'm ok to account wide squelch, but abusive, rude people are my main reason to squelch.
My concerns are over use of this, especially with pugging:
1. sometimes people have an off-night. Yes they shouldn't have been drinking so much, or take too much cold meds, etc.
2. maybe they are not experienced at (or just not good at) being a specific class (e.g. healer), even though they do great with their usual class (e.g. rogue). So that disaster of in 1 class/role does not automatically mean that the other roles are bad. I have a lot of alts, this amplifies this concern.
3. within a guild, 1 squelch, possibly to a character not in the guild (e.g. experiment?) could affect many guild characters.
4. could they somehow find out what all the characters in that account after doing a squelch? That would not be good...

And definitely not account friend for the above reasons including privacy.

This is a user by user determination. If someone is absolutely HORRIBLE with their toon, then chances are they are horrible with all of them. If it IS a new toon, then they need to own up to it and tell the party they are learning the ropes; making mistakes based on lack of experience with your character class is far and away different from doing something incredibly stupid as a player period. Or being an obnoxious jerk. If you get on drunk and start grouping, there are consequences to that. If he does it on THAt toon, then he does it on other toons as well, so yes I want to block them all. If you manage to squelch someone in your guild, whether its their guild toon or an alt, then there are other problems that ened to be addressed. Just because you are guilded, doesnt mean you are best buddies BTW. It may cause some guild drama, but it may also prevent drama.

FWIW, When I joined my current guild, I found that one of the guild leader's alts was on my squelch list, even though I had several of his toons on my friends list, and he was in fact the person who recruited me, and we were in-game friends for some time before the invite came. I still have no idea why his toon was squelched :p It would have been decidedly inconvenient had I squelched his entire account, but ce la vie.

[varusso]

we are way off topic but is there a thread you can link me to for that?

I will bump it alot!

Seconded.
...or...thirded (?)

[LordRavnos]

I play StarCraft 2 still and one of the things I like there is you can add a player by there name, like we do here, and theres a seperate thing to add an entire account with permission only. Would love to see that added as no one can force you to do it, they need your permission to do it. Also I would love the account wide squelch because there are 3 people I rather hate hearing from and one of them has frequently harassed me on new toons cause someone else was pushing them to do it for reasons I can not fathom.

so /signed if done right

[Zectarash]

I think it would be better if it was a system of "put these characters on your main friend list", which people then add when selecting "friend account". That way, it's the best of both worlds: privacy if needed, and you can still get most of your alts onto that list.

Squelching would be different. Both "squelch character" and "squelch account", including characters not on your main list, would be affected. Heck, if they had had "squelch account" a while ago, the spamming issue wouldn't have been so bad (read about a thread for complaints about spammers dated 3-4 years ago); and we would have more vets today.

[varusso]

I think it would be better if it was a system of "put these characters on your main friend list", which people then add when selecting "friend account". That way, it's the best of both worlds: privacy if needed, and you can still get most of your alts onto that list.

Squelching would be different. Both "squelch character" and "squelch account", including characters not on your main list, would be affected. Heck, if they had had "squelch account" a while ago, the spamming issue wouldn't have been so bad (read about a thread for complaints about spammers dated 3-4 years ago); and we would have more vets today.

....or....we could have:
An exportable/importable friends list with an easily used GUI to add/remove any entries<ding>
The same thing for a squelch list <bzzzzttt - you can import/export with your friends list but no GUI -- you must go through a clunky text list and use /commands to remove them from that list>
The ability to squelch players by account as well as individual toons. <bzzzzttt>

Leave the friend by account thing alone, because it then becomes a war of privacy vs utility, with players being forced to go anonymous or approve/disapprove every friend in order to manage who can and cannot see all, some, or none of their toons. Many people would want to be able to add their friends in this manner, but many MORE would want to not BE added in this manner.

I would advocate a larger friends list, except that no matter how big you make it, it will never be big enough.

[Zectarash]

I would advocate a larger friends list, except that no matter how big you make it, it will never be big enough.

How about infinite?

Laaaaag, I know.

[varusso]

How about infinite?

Laaaaag, I know.

There is no such thing as infinite in a program's list, only so ridiculously huge as to be unlikely to reach a limit. Not realistic though.

[LazyTigerLily]

How about infinite?

Laaaaag, I know.
The who list may be better than an infinite friends list ;)