for a friend

[jeremyt]

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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Male
(6 Rogue \ 2 Ranger \ 12 Bard)
Hit Points: 236
Spell Points: 386
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 24
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 13 13
Dexterity 19 27
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 11 11
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 13 13

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 4 12
Bluff 1 1
Concentration 2 2
Diplomacy 1 1
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 1 1
Heal -1 -1
Hide 4 8
Intimidate 1 3
Jump 1 3
Listen -1 1
Move Silently 4 8
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 0
Search 0 2
Spot -1 1
Swim 1 1
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 16 (Bard)


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II




build for breeze/staff of nat gan + multi shot availability.

this is a flavor build

[blitzschlag]

no perform = no songs = no bard

[jeremyt]

didnt spend skill points at all. rough sketch. perform will be maxed easily

[boomeranky]

What blitzschlag said plus no umd <=> not really a bard

I see you did a strange distribution at skill points, too.

Also while I haven't checked the maths, for a build with 5 past lifes this looks suspiciously low - did you really account for 36 build points?

Would really like to know more about the reasoning behind the flavor of this build.

So many skills raised for 2 or 3 points, most of them wasted in so far as that amount will change nothing at end game compared to raising them 0 points (search, spot, swim, Hide, the deeper i look the more i'd say that to all you've changed)


*edit* a bit slow at typing :p you should say more about what you intend to do with it
This bard will be useless (no songs, not enough spell points for spell buffs with haste, have not enough hp to make use of (improved) evasion for survivability (though his reflex will surely be nice), cannot even do a simple trap despite having rogue splashed or open locks, won't be able to hit anything with the strength, and so on)

If the flavor means getting improved evasion, think about dropping the ranger levels, else drop rogue down to 2 levels and increase ranger levels, think about having at least 14 or 15 bard levels, concentrate skill points on important things (priority on perform, umd, then what you want as flavor).
Strength could be higher, esp when you want him to be a warchanter - double check the feats, you do not really need weapon focus for bludgeon, and so on.

[jeremyt]

To be more clear. I did not select skill points during level ups, or hell, even at level 1, didnt spend those 36 points either. Also, past lives dont affect skill points at all..unless you use build points to raise int. AGAIN: did not spend skill points in char planner, he is a big boy and knows how to spend skill points. there are NO low skill point class levels taken, skill points should not be a problem.

weap focus melee is req for warchanter. flavor was he wants a specialist (as in during character creation rog/ran/bard) build that utilized ranger past lives for ranged versatility while mainly wielding a staff.

on a futher note: he conveyed to me after i showed him this he thinks he would rather play a WF in the long term. So back to drawing board. And dont worry, i probably wont spend skill points on next outline either unless I think they will be tight.

[elujin]

looks good for what your trying to do but
the bard is a bit out of place more rog plus and outher spash will up the multi shot dps

and if your set on bard why not virtuoso for added songs cc the dmg song will be sub par anyways
going virt will also save you a feat if you can get the ap enchantments in

on stats i see no reason for 13 cha 12 should do fine on none cc spells

int could be low for fitting all the skills in , trapping shouldn't be a prob if you can get them in
i would say level ups in str to add to bow dmg not sure about to hit issues but with a bow it should be ok

*edite* ninja edits boo :p

[blitzschlag]

and if your set on bard why not virtuoso for added songs cc the dmg song will be sub par anyways


a lvl 12 warchanter has adds +7 to damage like a pure spellsinger/virtuoso. so its gimped for a warchanter but not for a bard in general ;)

[elujin]

true but you won't get the goodys like the outher pre's would
might as well go full retord on the dps song and add a great at range no fail controle song and regen the few songs you have

mebey i am baised cous i like virt to no end :p

[jeremyt]

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.0
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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(13 Rogue \ 1 Ranger \ 6 Bard)
Hit Points: 314
Spell Points: 175
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 23
Will: 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 15 17
Dexterity 18 27
Constitution 16 20
Intelligence 12 14
Wisdom 6 8
Charisma 8 10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 8 33
Bluff 3 23
Concentration 3 5
Diplomacy -1 0
Disable Device 5 25
Haggle 3 22
Heal -2 -1
Hide 4 8
Intimidate -1 2
Jump 6 14
Listen -2 -1
Move Silently 4 8
Open Lock 8 23
Perform n/a 23
Repair 1 2
Search 5 26
Spot -2 -1
Swim 2 3
Tumble 8 34
Use Magic Device 3 23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Bard)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Search I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I




Ooook. so staff retained. Ability to utilize x3 specialist PLs effectively. Even added skills this time for you folks :p maxed perform, bluff, DD, search and UMD. Haggle, balance and tumble at 22. OL at 15 ranks. (obviously personal preferences dictate need for hide/MS).

Bard inspire courage will be very subpar to a real bard, he is more interested in hastes and fascinate though. Counter point being his wimpy IC is way better than no IC at all. A second counter point being each bard PL extra song will be fully appreciated.

HP:
314 + 30 GFL + 45 GS + 20 toughness + 10 argo fav + 60 con item + 20 exc con = 499
+ 20 ship + 20 rage = 539

Str:
17 + 9 ring ( encrusted +1/+2) +2 ship +2 rage = 30

Dex:
27 + 7 ring + 2 ring + 2 ship = 40

Reflex:
23 + 4 dex item (event ring +7 dex) + 4 GH + 2 ship buffs +1 exc dex item + 5 resist = 39
+ 6 traps +6 UD =51