Sorry, no heal for you!

[zebidos]

So anyway was minding my own business leveling up my halfling barbarian who, from level 1 to level 20 will be wearing the korthos island tatted rags in my armor slot, I was doing Jungles of Kyper on hard when this TR favoured soul says "If you don't wear armor past level 16 no one will heal you"

And im like Dude, AC is pointless on a barbarian its all about fort, DR and hit points. Would any of you kind healers not heal someone just because what they wear?

I was so flabbigasted I had to have a lay down and a nice cup of tea before sharing this with you.

[DevHead]

lol, made me chuckle. Can Barbs even get a decent AC? I mean, hell, that's why they have DR. If anything, throw lots of guard items on yourself and wade into the thick of battle with the largest stick you can find.

[bigolbear]

of course barbs can get a decent ac - my mate has AC 0! (of course no one told him hes not playing 2nd ED ;) )

[Khanyth]

I sorta see what they were saying.

As a barb, you shouldn't wear armour for the AC. But you should wear armour for the effects. I learned this from a vet in game that, while AC was worthless for a barb, but you should still get DT armour for the effects (healing amp, resists, guards)

So both of you are right: armour for AC is worthless for a barb, but armour for the effects certainly is not.

So I can see why a healer wouldn't want to heal a barb if that barb isn't going to wear gear that would aid in that healing.

AC is not the only reason why you do/don't wear armour

[zebidos]

I sorta see what they were saying.

As a barb, you shouldn't wear armour for the AC. But you should wear armour for the effects. I learned this from a vet in game that, while AC was worthless for a barb, but you should still get DT armour for the effects (healing amp, resists, guards)

So both of you are right: armour for AC is worthless for a barb, but armour for the effects certainly is not.

So I can see why a healer wouldn't want to heal a barb if that barb isn't going to wear gear that would aid in that healing.

AC is not the only reason why you do/don't wear armour

Yes but you can get healing amp etc on other items for e.g at level 9 I have a 75% fort on a ring. I must wear my starer rags till cap to prove a point to that halfling barbarian trainer in the market place who keeps calling me weak, and that the rags look uber barbarianish.

[stainer]

Yes but you can get healing amp etc on other items for e.g at level 9 I have a 75% fort on a ring. I must wear my starer rags till cap to prove a point to that halfling barbarian trainer in the market place who keeps calling me weak, and that the rags look uber barbarianish.

You can get other things on armor. You are basically wasting a slot. Even destruction armor would be good.

[blitzschlag]

well, the body slot is not neccessarily for ac. a guard/resist/whatever robe/armour is cheap and will help you do your job better (no matter how funny you think wearing khortos gear is)

[Tobril]

Yes but you can get healing amp etc on other items for e.g at level 9 I have a 75% fort on a ring. I must wear my starer rags till cap to prove a point to that halfling barbarian trainer in the market place who keeps calling me weak, and that the rags look uber barbarianish.


The real answer in to punt that Halfling barb into f’n orbit and see if he still calls you weak…:D

[Impaqt]

Wasting a slot is pretty pointless.... Armor can provide a lot of different benefits other than "AC"

Will no one heal you? Thats silly...

Will people think they could of run with someone more useful.. Yes.

[Chette]

And im like Dude, AC is pointless on a barbarian its all about fort, DR and hit points.

All of which can be obtained on robes/armor :) At level 10ish (jungle of khyber hard) invulnerability is still relatively useful, and spearblock definitely is. Since you said you're only wearing 75% fort, you could have 100% on a robe.

The FvS was probably an idiot, but if I saw somebody at level 16 still running around in rags I would probably think they were an idiot too. There are so many other uses for armor slot than just AC. Grab yourself a crimson chain for haste guard and reflex saves. Make a nice set of DT with guards.

[protokon]

So anyway was minding my own business leveling up my halfling barbarian who, from level 1 to level 20 will be wearing the korthos island tatted rags in my armor slot, I was doing Jungles of Kyper on hard when this TR favoured soul says "If you don't wear armor past level 16 no one will heal you"

And im like Dude, AC is pointless on a barbarian its all about fort, DR and hit points. Would any of you kind healers not heal someone just because what they wear?

I was so flabbigasted I had to have a lay down and a nice cup of tea before sharing this with you.

dude he's a TR, he knows what hes talking about. nevermind the fact that he probably bought his true heart of wood out of the store, has never played any other class than the one he is playing on, or spent more than a week at level cap.

I love people who have been playing the game for less than a month and think they know it all. I would love to know there secret, considering I am almost 5 years into this game and still dont know it all :)

[Khanyth]

Yes but you can get healing amp etc on other items for e.g at level 9 I have a 75% fort on a ring. I must wear my starer rags till cap to prove a point to that halfling barbarian trainer in the market place who keeps calling me weak, and that the rags look uber barbarianish.

Well.... if you are making the choice to do something out of the norm, you have to be prepared for these sort of reactions, no?

[FlyingTurtle]

By not using a slot, you're deliberately not performing to the best of your capabilities.

What they mean is that if you deliberately handicap yourself, then they'll handicap themselves too (to what end? I'm not sure what it accomplishes).

It's not proportional though. Totally withholding healing is not the same level of pikage as simply omitting one slot of equipment. I've run through entire quests with multiple haggle items on and not even noticed.

[ArloOne]

I would have told them I have a totally awesome AC of 22. And that they need to read the blog from Snooootch on how to make the best cleric ever.

Then go have a cup of tea.

:)

[Dandonk]

A guildie has a barb with 55ish AC (yes, it sucks against bosses, but actually works decently against trash on normal in raids).

And yes, I tease him every time I have the chance. I mean, really? Really? A barb with even semi-AC? He must have been thrown out of the Brutal And Stupid Pillage Workers Union for having an AC above 10.

[Khanyth]

I'm just waiting for a theoretical/spreadsheet/Yes, we can!!! barb build to show how someone can build a barb, with AC and DPS and not be gimped.

EDIT: please don't take this a plea to actually do it. Just because a tomato is a fruit, doesn't mean you put it in your fruit salad

[blitzschlag]

I'm just waiting for a theoretical/spreadsheet/Yes, we can!!! barb build to show how someone can build a barb, with AC and DPS and not be gimped.

EDIT: please don't take this a plea to actually do it. Just because a tomato is a fruit, doesn't mean you put it in your fruit salad

well actually the first solo raids (von6, titan) were done by a "utility" barb (that could turtle up). the game was not like it is today tho..

[jortann]

I must wear my starer rags till cap to prove a point to that halfling barbarian trainer in the market place who keeps calling me weak, and that the rags look uber barbarianish.

This is awesome! Congrats to you for doing something fun and different.



Every once in a while I think we need to remember this is just a game....

[stainer]

This is awesome! Congrats to you for doing something fun and different.



Every once in a while I think we need to remember this is just a game....

I love it when people role play. I try to role play being able to complete a quest without trying to drag along a resource intensive, starter rage wearing role player. Which role play wins out?

[MrLarone]

grats!!

i only made it to lvl 10 before someone said that to me =(

and we were in TBC =/

to those say he's wasting a slot. fair point, but if he weren't wearign a ring (or anything else) you'd never know...

hopefully the rags will be craftable come the update.

[Impaqt]

grats!!

i only made it to lvl 10 before someone said that to me =(

and we were in TBC =/

to those say he's wasting a slot. fair point, but if he weren't wearign a ring (or anything else) you'd never know...

hopefully the rags will be craftable come the update.

myddo has its uses.....

[stille_nacht]

neh, its not TOO big a loss, if you have fun like that, go ahead i guess, but waisting a slot isnt really goo :[

[Furare]

I wouldn't refuse to heal you. But then, I don't ever refuse to heal anyone. While I'm sure there are some people out there who I would find so impossible to keep alive that I would withdraw my services entirely, I have never yet run with such a person. In the case of the rags... as long as you've got heavy fort and HP+DR, what you're wearing on your body slot is going to have a negligible impact on how much trouble you're going to give me to keep you alive, so it's no cause to withhold healing.

If I saw you running around it rags, I'd probably ask you about it. And then have a good laugh, most likely. :P It's hurting you, maybe, but most people who aren't insane powergamers have done experiments like this, haven't they? Doing something suboptimal just because it's silly and fun?

[SlogUK]

Yeah people don't get that. I actually want my barb to get hit as he is packed up with guards. But I was in the vale running round on level 19 tr waving an enduring conviction and an empty hand because what the hell is the point of a shield. And even though I had a hireling topping up my hps and was fine, despite explaining that I am 2hf usually and just wielding it for the banishing, they kept telling me to hold a shield, to the extent of opening trade windows with me and trying to pass me one. Meh

[darkforest]

So anyway was minding my own business leveling up my halfling barbarian who, from level 1 to level 20 will be wearing the korthos island tatted rags in my armor slot, I was doing Jungles of Kyper on hard when this TR favoured soul says "If you don't wear armor past level 16 no one will heal you"

And im like Dude, AC is pointless on a barbarian its all about fort, DR and hit points. Would any of you kind healers not heal someone just because what they wear?

I was so flabbigasted I had to have a lay down and a nice cup of tea before sharing this with you.

My cleric would offer similar suggestion as the FvS and 'dude' you if necessary.

For roleplaying bravado and thoughtlessness, wear the rag. Otherwise, leave it and the no-AC pride in the bank. +n mithral FP and AC items/pots would aid until AC stops working high levels.

Use your class' what unique +6 AC boosts to much offset the AC penalty. And since you may not be raged forever, you are +6 AC better than most in those 20 seconds.

[muffinlad]

Here's my two copper.

A) Wearing rags until level 20 is a very silly idea.
B) I like silly ideas.
C) If I was your cleric, I would heal you first, just because you were doing it.

As noted, you are missing the three slots from DT Armor, or even the Rainbow Pals armor from Mindsunder (+2 to hit, +5 resist, 3 charges displacement that work before you rage...but not during etc.)

If you get DT Armor, you can always wear a dress (mage) or PJ's (for that 50's dad look), you don't have to wear the medium or light.

Enjoy your rags...until you get the option for "Konan's Kodpiece of Total Victory"....which I think is Mod 12....

muffinthusla

[danotmano1998]

I would say that rags are far better than a chainmail bikini!

My Dwarf cleric likes to feel the breeze on his nether regions while he adventures. ;)

[whomhead]

It is absolutely your prerogative to do whatever you'd like with your character, no matter how absurd. However, turnabout is fair play, so every other player in the game has that same option. If that happens to include not healing you because they don't like the armor you wear (or don't wear, as the case may be), then you have to be willing to accept that outcome. If you explain it to them, most will have a laugh with you and proceed normally. But if they don't, then you've got no right to complain. You have to see that, right?

[mournbladereigns]

Duh .... Winning U Sir, are a gentlemen and a scholar for wearing rags. Uber gear is for gimps:)

Seriously, unless your doing elite or something, game is easy enough to beat.:)

[PopeJual]

Barbs can get very nice AC at lower levels.

It is challenging for *anyone* to have good AC at high levels.

Wearing starter rags does mean that you will miss out on nice Deathblock robes or Heavy Fort robes or Robes of Invulnerability. I have a set of Deathblock of Heavy Fort robes that look like a cheesy Fred Flintstone costume. Bright orange with giant leopard spots.

LOVE IT!


Edit: just thought that I should point out that I don't have any problem with you wearing starter rags until 20. I think it's a great schtick and I applaud you for it.

[Beethoven]

Seriously, you are wasting a slot!

I mean what are you thinking? DDO is not a game where you can manage without having an optimized build and perfect gear for every level. It's serious business<tm>.

Honestly though, it is nice and refreshing to see someone do something fun. However, I'd only heal you if you also wear a strawhat to complete the starter set.

[JasonJi72]

myddo has its uses.....


I would like to keep all my korthos gear, so I can put it on right before I log just for MYDDO.

This is a game. Have fun with it!

When I play a healer, I don't really care what your ac is. I am more concerned with your tactics and aggro management.

[QuantumFX]

OP: The Armor slot is a popular spot to slot healing amp bonuses. The person who managed to offend you was simply pointing out that without those healing amp items it would be difficult for a “healer” to keep you healed.

[Silverleafeon]

So anyway was minding my own business leveling up my halfling barbarian who, from level 1 to level 20 will be wearing the korthos island tatted rags in my armor slot, I was doing Jungles of Kyper on hard when this TR favoured soul says "If you don't wear armor past level 16 no one will heal you"

And im like Dude, AC is pointless on a barbarian its all about fort, DR and hit points. Would any of you kind healers not heal someone just because what they wear?

I was so flabbigasted I had to have a lay down and a nice cup of tea before sharing this with you.

Not sure if it was you, but I was playing Fawnglow (FVS 20) on the Kyber server healing a shroud and someone (might have been a halfling) was wearing starter rags...

Yes, he got healed just like everyone else...if I had heard this explanation I would have laughed!

[MrLarone]

myddo has its uses.....

lol.

shame on you, you should know better ;-)

myddo is not updated every time someone switches an item.

it's not even updated each time you login!

don't get me wrong, if the party is "be the best you can be!" then sure, someone just looking for fun isn't particularly needed (but i doubt not healing someone cos they're not wearing a item that has nothing to do health preservation is "being the best you could be").

if the party is looking to have fun then someone playing l33t isn't particularly needed.

horses for courses.

[Delt]

My 20 FVS wears starter rags. I try to keep Korthos googles on my 20 rogue.

Any reduction in efficiency has been paid off by numerous entertaining moments of drama...the rogue moreso, but I guess some people are less inclined to **** off the healer.

Most content can be completed in this game, naked. Not all, maybe, but most. I find it funny to watch people get ****y over nitpicky stuff. As long as your toon performs solid, it really doesn't matter.

And yes, rags look good. Shame you can't ritual them.

[Tom318]

I love it when people role play. I try to role play being able to complete a quest without trying to drag along a resource intensive, starter rage wearing role player. Which role play wins out?

Obviously the resource intensive, starter rage wearing role player because it's not like he can be booted :)

[Kirachan]

I'd heal you no matter the level. It's a nice idea, and I prefer a fun player over a smart-ass min/maxer any day.
Most quests are easy for an experienced group anyway, so I really don't consider it a handicap at all.

Anyway, it's just one slot. About all my characters had an empty slot at one time, since I did not yet have a useful item to put in that slot.

[andbr22]

Honestly this idea is simply funny.
Of course i wouldn't like to run with such barbarian in something like Cult and Church elite under / at level.
If something is funny to do it. Why not to do it if you know it is funny to do.
Oh... My Elven blade dancer very long runned with shop bought robes (they look cool :-P), and noone have anything against it :-P.

If you gimp yourself, because it is funny. Then you have fun, and some of your team mates also will have fun.

(on the oher hand cleric in starters rags, saying that he cannot afford to buy any armor (not like he recived any after training mission or in vet equip package), and uses 50% of SP bar to cast aid on 4 peoples ->it is not funny, it is pitfull)

[Terebinthia]

I'm just waiting for a theoretical/spreadsheet/Yes, we can!!! barb build to show how someone can build a barb, with AC and DPS and not be gimped.

EDIT: please don't take this a plea to actually do it. Just because a tomato is a fruit, doesn't mean you put it in your fruit salad

I've been served tomato tiramisu before, but it was in Japan, so probably didn't count.

(yes, I did try it out of politeness and no, it wasn't very nice).

I think the Korthos rag thing is entertaining but I would expect you to get challenged for a non standard choice, and for people to form an opinion on you based on it.

Would it be enough for me not to heal you? No, particularly if you are also entertaining in person. But would I question the non-usage of a slot? For sure.

[Tom318]

maybe, but most people who aren't insane powergamers have done experiments like this, haven't they? Doing something suboptimal just because it's silly and fun?

Yes.. I have a character that I built like this : I compiled all the advice people gave on the forum about building a good character, and then did exactly the opposite.

It's so far one of the best, most easily survivable characters I've ever played :)

[phalaeo]

I would have told them I have a totally awesome AC of 22. And that they need to read the blog from Snooootch on how to make the best cleric ever.

Then go have a cup of tea.

:)

I think you spelled it wrong- had a hard time Googling it. Is this the one?

http://my.ddo.com/snootch/2011/02/03/how-to-build-a-real-cleric/

[zwiebelring]

And im like Dude, AC is pointless on a barbarian its all about fort, DR and hit points. Would any of you kind healers not heal someone just because what they wear?
New/unexperienced players think AC - like it is given atm - will provide protection at a balanced level throughout the levels. Well they have to learn.

Unfortunately this does not help you while you are questing and even relying on the team and heals. If he means you should wear armor with specific special abilities like Lordsmarch stuff and similar options then yes, he makes a point to improve your Barb on relying on hp and heavy fort.

But all of those special abilities (except dragontouched maybe) are mere goodies and no criteria for being healed or not... well at least for me. Add to special friend list and hope never to run with this player again :).

My lvl. 17 Barb has AC 7 in frage and I am still looking out to decrease this number and increase therefor the dps and hp ^^.

[Lycurgus]

Using pots or additional scrolls to heal a toon who is making no effort to minimize his demands on resources is usually NOT fun for the healer.

Deneith Heavy Chain and the Blademark's Docent both proc temporary hitpoints on being hit. Stonemeld Plate offers static DR. Gorgon Armor/Docent each proc stoneskin. There are numerous options for reducing the damage you take starting at low levels which are effective regardless of ac.

Now, if you can find healers who don't care and are willing to put up with it, more power to you! Don't be surprised if they're hard to find, though.

[~jradnut]

It's all about perception, in my oppinion. I have a capped monk that shows up for quests in rags BUT switches over inside.
I always thought that was kind of funny. The monks name is Raggety Ann and I haven't played her in a long time. :p

The perception here would be that you dont care enough about mitigating your damage to warrent putting resources into you. Nobody is going to start running numbers though their heads to end up saying, "Oh, ok, that's alright then!"

Bottom line is, as has been said, that you should fully expect a variety of reactions from your choice. What if that guard effect was what would have killed the mob that brushed past you to whack your healer? :rolleyes:

[Silverleafeon]

lol.

shame on you, you should know better ;-)

myddo is not updated every time someone switches an item.

it's not even updated each time you login!

Quite true, when I look up my completionist character (Fawngate) on myddo, about half the time, it shows her last past life not her current life...

[UnderwearModel]

If you are high enough level and capable of playing fine by me.

As long as you do some stuff that self heals you, fine by me.
If you give me a mana pot to keep you healed up, fine by me.
If you give me heal scrolls to keep you healed up, fine by me.

If you become a mana drain on me, well, I just might stop healing you. If that is the case, I really don't need barbarian DPS as much as a barbarian needs my healing. I can heal myself and use my spells to wipe most eveything out.

[Seihan]

+1 to OP for stepping outside the box.

The only reason people will give you flak is because it's a dead slot they can actually see. I'm sure plenty of pugs form with players sporting dead slots we don't see and the party does just fine. Rock those rags.

[PNellesen]

So anyway was minding my own business leveling up my halfling barbarian who, from level 1 to level 20 will be wearing the korthos island tatted rags in my armor slot, I was doing Jungles of Kyper on hard when this TR favoured soul says "If you don't wear armor past level 16 no one will heal you"

And im like Dude, AC is pointless on a barbarian its all about fort, DR and hit points. Would any of you kind healers not heal someone just because what they wear?

I was so flabbigasted I had to have a lay down and a nice cup of tea before sharing this with you.

I can't speak for other healer-types, but the only people I won't heal are the ones who zerg off around two corners and then die and ask why I didn't keep up with them, or the ones who insist on finding the traps for the rogue. I'm not exactly HAPPY when someone shows up to a level 12+ quest with 0 Fortification and 100HP, but I'll even try to keep them alive. And at level 16, I would be more concerned if the Barb WAS wearing heavy armor - I expect those guys to be able to move and dodge and jump with no penalties...

[morticianjohn]

So anyway was minding my own business leveling up my halfling barbarian who, from level 1 to level 20 will be wearing the korthos island tatted rags in my armor slot, I was doing Jungles of Kyper on hard when this TR favoured soul says "If you don't wear armor past level 16 no one will heal you"

And im like Dude, AC is pointless on a barbarian its all about fort, DR and hit points. Would any of you kind healers not heal someone just because what they wear?

I was so flabbigasted I had to have a lay down and a nice cup of tea before sharing this with you.

1. If you are doing jungles of khyber at level even a barb could get their AC high enough to be useful without too much sacrifice to other areas.

2. Doesn't the joke get old? I see people giving this guy props but everyone has done this at some point. Doing it for 20 levels is the joke that lasted too long.

3. Why complain? Many people want/expect people to do their best and we all know someone who takes the game too seriously. In otherwords you knew this would happen before you started this.

My conclusion is that it's not cool to do something for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people and then complaining about it. Oh and btw my main is a healer and I have seen this "joke" multiple times. I always heal them and I don't bother asking them about it but they usually get some robes in the mail with DR or something useful attached. Just saying the joke is old, stop acting like it's cool or even a little funny

[rage9]

PUT +1 AC on it from SoC, then buy an armor kit for it from DDO store and no one wil every say anything. The +1 AC is just for flavour though :D

[Cyr]

Yes but you can get healing amp etc on other items for e.g at level 9 I have a 75% fort on a ring. I must wear my starer rags till cap to prove a point to that halfling barbarian trainer in the market place who keeps calling me weak, and that the rags look uber barbarianish.

Intentonally wasting a slot on a toon will earn you lots of grief and rightly so.

Even trash loot robes have some effects that would have done something for you.

[jcTharin]

Here's my two copper.

A) Wearing rags until level 20 is a very silly idea.
B) I like silly ideas.
C) If I was your cleric, I would heal you first, just because you were doing it.



what he said

[Kam-Ekaze]

Just wear an armor kit, problem solved. They'll never know :)

[zebidos]

Just wear an armor kit, problem solved. They'll never know :)

But armor makes my rear look big.

[AylinIsAwesome]

All of which can be obtained on robes/armor :) At level 10ish (jungle of khyber hard) invulnerability is still relatively useful, and spearblock definitely is. Since you said you're only wearing 75% fort, you could have 100% on a robe.

The FvS was probably an idiot, but if I saw somebody at level 16 still running around in rags I would probably think they were an idiot too. There are so many other uses for armor slot than just AC. Grab yourself a crimson chain for haste guard and reflex saves. Make a nice set of DT with guards.

A couple months ago in a ToD raid I met a FvS, still in start rags, and the rags had 2 adamantine rituals on them.

[erikbozelie]

i was saving my rags for an special shroud run. in combination with the straw hat,
would give me an laugh to see how long it would take for anyone to notice.

i have been bugged by people as well that i have 0% fort on myddo.
even though my page is horrible outdated.

[zebidos]

I have to say thank you for all your support my rag wearing barbarian has been having a good old time and have only been asked about my "special" armor 3 times so far and no one has refused to hjeal me.



Permagimp

[zebidos]

1. If you are doing jungles of khyber at level even a barb could get their AC high enough to be useful without too much sacrifice to other areas.

2. Doesn't the joke get old? I see people giving this guy props but everyone has done this at some point. Doing it for 20 levels is the joke that lasted too long.

3. Why complain? Many people want/expect people to do their best and we all know someone who takes the game too seriously. In otherwords you knew this would happen before you started this.

My conclusion is that it's not cool to do something for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people and then complaining about it. Oh and btw my main is a healer and I have seen this "joke" multiple times. I always heal them and I don't bother asking them about it but they usually get some robes in the mail with DR or something useful attached. Just saying the joke is old, stop acting like it's cool or even a little funny

1) I doubt it, still seemed to take alot less damage then other players

2) Its not a joke

3) Im not complaining i'm sharing my experience with the DDO communiity.

[Chai]

Not using a gear slot to its fullest potential = Kinda odd but humerous to see someone running around in starter rags at high level.

Holding heals hostage until someone plays their toon the way you demand = /fail.

[morticianjohn]

1) I doubt it, still seemed to take alot less damage then other players

2) Its not a joke

3) Im not complaining i'm sharing my experience with the DDO communiity.

You cast this FvS in an unfavorable light and it's uncalled for even if you didn't use his/her name. You should expect these kinds of comments instead of ridiculing the people who offer them.

[Roronoa177]

Even the world famous Conan, whom started his career wearing only leather loincloth, had to resorted to ugly blue chainmail at the near end of his adventuring days. (peer pressure too?)

What makes u think u can escape unscathed wearing only rags till lvl 20? At ur lvl, u should b wearing an oversized pink armor with polka dots.

[Kalindush]

Hey, I like rags! I just don't like use it in a quest. But they pretty comfortable. :D

[Terebinthia]

1) I doubt it, still seemed to take alot less damage then other players

2) Its not a joke

3) Im not complaining i'm sharing my experience with the DDO communiity.

I do agree they look kinda cool for a barbarian.

I'm guessing they are going to be craftable after update 9, which would be somewhat entertaining.

Personally I'm trying to find the robes with the smiley faces on the soles of the feet that my friend has.

[morticianjohn]

1) I doubt it, still seemed to take alot less damage then other players

2) Its not a joke

3) Im not complaining i'm sharing my experience with the DDO communiity.

Ok I'm not a numbers guy but looking at a few different threads it seems that at lvl 8-9 enemies have a "to hit" bonus of like 25-30 (of course depending on difficulty). Assuming you're a low dex THF rather than a high dex TWF (some barbs like TWF) you could easily get 30 AC if you cared to. +5 mithral full plate, pots, dex bonus (even if it's only 1-2), protection item, adamantine ritual and haste pot. That's not including other buffs that you could get from other players such as bard songs, cleric/pally spells, halfling hero companion and more. None of this would nerf a lvl 8-9 barb and in fact would reduce the enemies chances of hitting you. Even with rage if you maxed AC (without nerfing your toon doing something stupid like taking the dodge feat) you'd still have a good enough AC for (most) enemies at level. Even if you're only stopping the lower "to hit" mobs you're still reducing the damage you take significantly at this level.

I understand why you're not worried about AC as a barb, first you can kill stuff quickly enough that they won't get enough swings to kill you. Second you have high enough HP that you barely notice those 3 point and 5 point arrows that hit you . Third it's pointless to worry about it at lvl 12 and beyond. Fourth it's resource intensive (mithral full plate, specifically, will run you 100K plat). However, a healer notices these things and appreciates them. I just TR'd one of my toons into a FvS and I'm pugging lvl 5-8 quests currently and it's unbelievable how many wands I go through. I didn't think I would actually spend more money than I'm taking in on wands, scrolls and pots. Luckily I've got plenty of plat due to my past life however, it's players like you who don't care about AC (even at low levels when it is VERY important to have AC) that create such a drain on your healers.

There is also one point that doesn't have to do with AC and your choice of armor. Deathblock. In a quest with beholders you should have it and it fits best into your armor slot (even if you're using a silver flame tailisman I don't see the point in not wearing armor (unless you're trying to incite people or be funny and you've said it's not a joke so....)

Basically the way I see it is that you are like someone who pushed a police officer and then got tazed then you go looking to the community for sympathy. Sorry dude I got none for this.

(as I've said, I personally don't tell these korthos rags people what I think about their selection in game. After all they're just trying to get a rise out of people for forum fodder anyway. I'm not going to give them that. When I'm on my cleric I heal them no questions asked however, I can see the point of this FvS and you shouldn't get any sympathy for the situation that you brought upon yourself.)



also one quick question to clear things up. Did the guy heal you or not? Since you say in your OP that his quote was "at higher levels they won't heal you" but the title to the thread says "no heals for you" which would be misleading if he actually healed you and you don't cover that in the OP. The fact that you don't talk about your death, soulstone, pots used, etc... leads me to believe that he actually healed you throughout the quest and merely warned you about future possibilities.

[Thorzian]

i see where the op is coming from. many replies to this post have been avbout how armor does more then just ac. resist __ has been mentioned a few times.. how is that any less of a slot waste then nothing at all with half the guild ships in ddo carrying the full line of resist 30's? with the exception of a few dragontouched effects on a few toons, the marilith chain, and 1 or 2 epics, armor is useless in this game.... even if the description on it doesnt look so.

[Onebone]

So anyway was minding my own business leveling up my halfling barbarian who, from level 1 to level 20 will be wearing the korthos island tatted rags in my armor slot, I was doing Jungles of Kyper on hard when this TR favoured soul says "If you don't wear armor past level 16 no one will heal you"

And im like Dude, AC is pointless on a barbarian its all about fort, DR and hit points. Would any of you kind healers not heal someone just because what they wear?

I was so flabbigasted I had to have a lay down and a nice cup of tea before sharing this with you.

I have a Rogue buddy who goes through the same thing when he doesn't wear his armor. The funny thing is that his AC is higher Naked than with his armor on. He also has taken some ripping from others in the game who feel that he is damning their group and xp (flawless) by becoming a liability.
I haven't played as long as others but I do know that I have a TON to learn.

It's best to just laugh (off mic) at the people who think they know everything.
(I found that if you laugh at them so they can hear they tend to get upset)

[Battlehawke]

I had a dex based acrobat for 4 years. I loved her. Her survivability was unvelievable and she was a great utility toon. Extremely versitile and in combat she NEVER missed (40ish Dex.. If I remem). Unfortunately, she did very little damage vs the important stuff, and with 330ish HP when she did get hit.. It was ugly! Almost every forum on rogues or HP spelled out REROLL... But I didn't listen..because I loved her... About 2months ago, I LR'd her into a STR based Assassin.. Holy Combat Usfullness! ..and her rogue skills and UMD are just as good. Surely, OMG, all those people where on to something...

Don.t wear any Armor if you don'want to... but ultimately you are losing out on three slots if u don't. Not to mention that even though AC in DDO is gimped, some points help (it's a system based on pionts after all), and anything to help clerics save spell points is truly very helpful.

FYI there are some Barbarian builds that use most of their slots for guards.. Which cause more damage to the monsters when they hit you, which is often...

Ps, if you are really that passionate about it, use ALL of your starter gear, and nothing else...If this is the only toon you have, the you wont know any better, and will have a lot of fun...

Remenber that G&R song... "I used to loved to love her, but I had to kill her"..