2 Handed Piercing Weapons

[Faerbaste]

If there are monsters in the game that have DR against all but piercing weapons (such as spiders) then why are there no 2 handed piercing weapons available?

There are lots of examples in history to choose, from the simple spear to a gladiators trident.

It would be nice for the developers to add some.

[Riksha]

If there are monsters in the game that have DR against all but piercing weapons (such as spiders) then why are there no 2 handed piercing weapons available?

There are lots of examples in history to choose, from the simple spear to a gladiators trident.

It would be nice for the developers to add some.
scythe would be the thing i think its 1d8 x4 piercing.....it would make things fair since for one handers we have the ddo special made up stats of the khopesh

[Musouka]

Scythe is piercing or slashing. So they'd be a little more valuable than other basic items. Aside from polearms and spears, there really aren't any 2 handed piercing weapons.

From http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Scythe

Scythe in medium creature's hands does 2d4 damage and has a x4 critical. It is piercing or slashing damage.

I have a Dragon Disciple that wields a Scythe for pnp Pathfinder game.

[Thorzian]

bring on the trident!!

[lilcook.]

Yes, I do understand how most players would like this, but creating two handed piercing weapons I think, would very much affect the PVP battles or guild wars. Although I may be wrong as Turbine does have a very creative mind they may be able to find a way to keep the game balanced. I do agree that a Fire- Drawn Spear would be a great piercing weapon.

[redspecter23]

Rahl's Might I believe is a bludgeoning weapon but counts as all 3 types for DR breaking purposes. Also it looks a bit like a spear so that kinda counts.

[Musouka]

Yes, I do understand how most players would like this, but creating two handed piercing weapons I think, would very much affect the PVP battles or guild wars. Although I may be wrong as Turbine does have a very creative mind they may be able to find a way to keep the game balanced. I do agree that a Fire- Drawn Spear would be a great piercing weapon.

This game isn't about PVP. If PVP is unbalanced, so what.

[Barthax]

I want a scythe, leap attack & a long black cloak. Death from above :D



Yes, I do understand how most players would like this, but creating two handed piercing weapons I think, would very much affect the PVP battles or guild wars.


Guild wars? You are still talking DDO here??

[madmaxhunter]

This game isn't about PVP. If PVP is unbalanced, so what.

Yup, but then that's where most of the "nerf it" and "op" crying comes from anyway, so I see his point.

[brian14]

Dreamspitter is a bludgeoning weapon.

Contradiction highlighted.

[andbr22]

This topic return from time to time. And yest it is time for us to get:
- Spears (not rhal might -> that could be converted to spear, or stay as it is for poor monks sake)
- Scythes (well i know it is slash and pierce (but making them pierce only wouldn't cause muc rucks, after *4 nerf in U9 there is realy no reason not to bring scythes into game (not to mention Enemies/NPC USE THEM ALREADY!)).

How would giving scythes affect PvP?
- eSoS is much better than scythes
- Everyone in PvP uses Hfort so no crits for you -> weapon fall behind Gaxes/Gswords...
- guards can easly kill even when you are under heavy attack from enemy (just 1 lucky trap of soul, or 2 times of GS offensive guards).

[lilcook.]

Yup, but then that's where most of the "nerf it" and "op" crying comes from anyway, so I see his point.

Hey, thanks bro for kind of helping i mean i know not much people use the PVP system but I'm sure Turbine would want to keep it balanced. And sorry, i meant PVP not guild wars, i got confused for a sec.

[somenewnoob]

Pike. That would rock.

[PopeJual]

Light Pick/Heavy Pick/ EXTREMELY Heavy Pick.

[suszterpatt]

Gnome race. Rapiers are suddenly two handed.

[somenewnoob]

It would be nice to be able to change attack style with certain weapons. No reason a greatsword can't stab instead of slash.

[HellsChaos]

Rahl's Might I believe is a bludgeoning weapon but counts as all 3 types for DR breaking purposes. Also it looks a bit like a spear so that kinda counts.

while this is a great quarterstaff, not sure that this is what the OP was really wanting...just a straight out pointy stick!

[HellsChaos]

It would be nice to be able to change attack style with certain weapons. No reason a greatsword can't stab instead of slash.

/signed and agreed

Greatswords can be use as pole-arms bc of their length.

[WirelessJoe]

-longbows
-shortbows
-great crossbows
-heavy crossbows
-light crossbows
-repeating heavy crossbows
-repeating light crossbows

[LordPiglet]

Pike. That would rock.

I pike all the time

[PopeJual]

It would be nice to be able to change attack style with certain weapons. No reason a greatsword can't stab instead of slash.

If you want to poke someone with a two handed weapon, at least one of your hands needs to be somewhat close to the middle of the weapon.

That might not be a good idea on a greatsword.

[Chai]

If you want to poke someone with a two handed weapon, at least one of your hands needs to be somewhat close to the middle of the weapon.

That might not be a good idea on a greatsword.

I ve got 4 spear forms, 2 pole arm forms, and 2 two handed sword forms in my arsenal that say otherwise.

The game is obviously not programmed to real life expectations. If it was we wouldnt need to hit something 6 or 7 times with a great ax to kill it.

I would like to see 2 handed piercing weapons. Mattock would be a good one, which is basically a two handed heavy pick - somewhat like a maul but with a sharper point at each mallett end.

[elujin]

give us spears or piercing scythes

scyths are prob easyer cous the can just use normal attack animation.

spears could just use q-stave animation for a few years thill we get a real spear animation

[WirelessJoe]

If you want to poke someone with a two handed weapon, at least one of your hands needs to be somewhat close to the middle of the weapon.

That might not be a good idea on a greatsword.

You could poke someone with this:


http://www.swords24.eu/images/products/en/Cold_Steel_Two_Handed_Great_Sword_88WGS.jpg

[arminius]

Pike. That would rock.

Rock stubs pike.
Pike perforates paper.
Paper covers rock.

[st.jimmy91]

I know this isn't Final Fantasy but...

Bring on the Dragoon :D

[Faerbaste]

-longbows
-shortbows
-great crossbows
-heavy crossbows
-light crossbows
-repeating heavy crossbows
-repeating light crossbows

You might notice all these are missile weapons. DDO has no 2 handed piercing melee weapons.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Rahl's Might is a very nice TH piercing weapon....the only problem is it is ML 18.

Not so bad for a first lifer......horrible for a TRx2+..........which takes way longer to get to 18th level.

[donfilibuster]

If you want to poke someone with a two handed weapon, at least one of your hands needs to be somewhat close to the middle of the weapon.

That might not be a good idea on a greatsword.

this.

Double edged swords are weighted for slashing, if u count that from RL.
You can indeed pierce with it, likewise swing it flat and do bludgeon, but takes no advantage of the blade's edge.
In d&d terms it counts as an improvised weapon, being not as effective. You can even throw it at range if u want.

Polearms and anything with a shaft are fine in this sense, hence almost all such weapons are two damage types in PnP.
Only non-light swords have that issue of being slash only, with the shortsword and dagger being pierce or slash.
That's by the 3e weapons system, but DDO simplified and omitted the whole two damage types thing.

So yeah, the issue is not that you can or cant have 2h piercers but that DDO can't have two type weapons like most polearms are.
Even the spear, if they add a non throwable spear ppl may ask why there's no throwable spear.
Maybe we can add the Awl Pike instead, it is not throwable and pierce only, but then gotta omit the wider reach.

[Fenrisulven6]

Bows are two-handed piercing :D

[Teufel_Hunden]

*nvm*

[Taluron]

EXTREMELY Heavy Pick.

It's called a
Dire Pick
in PnP

The Pick version of a Bastard Sword or Dwarven Axe.
Can use in two hands as a Martial weapon or one hand as an Exotic.

d8 x4

[morticianjohn]

You might notice all these are missile weapons. DDO has no 2 handed piercing melee weapons.

There is at least one.

[Edyit76]

Yes, I do understand how most players would like this, but creating two handed piercing weapons I think, would very much affect the PVP battles or guild wars. Although I may be wrong as Turbine does have a very creative mind they may be able to find a way to keep the game balanced. I do agree that a Fire- Drawn Spear would be a great piercing weapon.

pvp is not the reason to play DDO. Who cares if pvp is unbalanced. It's a small distraction to pass time while the group fills to play the real game. Myself and the majority of others would much rather have the devs spend thier time and our money on the real content of DDO which is PVE not pvp.

[karl_k0ch]

To add variety, there is also no two-handed x4 weapon. And with the change to helplessness, a x4 THF weapon is even not overpowered in certain situations.

So: Yes, I'd appreciate a piercing, 20x4 two-handed weapon. If it's a Two Handed Pick, a Scythe, or a Pitchfork - I don't care too much, although I'd love to see a Scythe.

[Tsuarok]

I'd just like to say that I've never seen anyone in RL use a heavy pick one-handed.

[NaturalHazard]

scythe would be the thing i think its 1d8 x4 piercing.....it would make things fair since for one handers we have the ddo special made up stats of the khopesh

scythes are slashing though.......... how about a great pick? sure you got one handed picks, ice picks and stuff, but there are 2handed picks used for tools as well. or have spears piercing or halberds slashing/piercing.

[NaturalHazard]

.

The game is obviously not programmed to real life expectations. If it was we wouldnt need to hit something 6 or 7 times with a great ax to kill it.

I would like to see 2 handed piercing weapons. Mattock would be a good one, which is basically a two handed heavy pick - somewhat like a maul but with a sharper point at each mallett end.

also in real life a lot of warhammers had a spike on the back, so could do piercing and blunt damage, but never mind, like you said not programed for rl expectations.

[donfilibuster]

scythes are slashing though.......... how about a great pick? sure you got one handed picks, ice picks and stuff, but there are 2handed picks used for tools as well. or have spears piercing or halberds slashing/piercing.

The Lucerne Hammer is your 2h pick. It is a x4 piercer, despite being called hammer is rather shaped like a pick.
This one is on the A&EG just like the kopesh.


also in real life a lot of warhammers had a spike on the back, so could do piercing and blunt damage, but never mind, like you said not programed for rl expectations.

Axes too, but the spike would count as a different weapon, much like striking with the shaft does bludgeon.

[BladedThesis]

Pike. That would rock.

I could totally pike while holding a pike! But then everyone would know I was piking when I have my pike out...hmmm.

[Nailog]

I'd just like to say that I've never seen anyone in RL use a heavy pick one-handed.

I've never seen someone with 26 strength carry two tons (4000 pounds) of gear on their back. But that's just me.

[Cardtrick]

Rahl's Might is the only piercing damage two hander in the game as it stands now, right?

I love Rahl's in the hands of my half-orc -- it's huge. At least once a day, someone asks me where I got my spear.

[Siro]

It'd be nice if you could select a stance or something on your weapon to switch the damage type (for those that can be several damage types depending on how it is being used). Halberds and spears would also be nice, but I guess the hobgoblins have the market cornered on those.

[Musouka]

scythes are slashing though.......... how about a great pick? sure you got one handed picks, ice picks and stuff, but there are 2handed picks used for tools as well. or have spears piercing or halberds slashing/piercing.

It was pointed out that they are slashing or piercing.


It's called a
Dire Pick
in PnP

The Pick version of a Bastard Sword or Dwarven Axe.
Can use in two hands as a Martial weapon or one hand as an Exotic.

d8 x4

Yes that did come from the Complete Warrior. It is quite a unique weapon. It would be nice if they added that alongside with scythes.

[Stormdum]

Seems like I remember seeing some in the game already. Aren't there some Halberdiers in Tangleroot?

[donfilibuster]

Yes that did come from the Complete Warrior. It is quite a unique weapon. It would be nice if they added that alongside with scythes.

Worth mention the lucerne hammer is a martial weapon like other polearms are (it is 2d4).

The dire pick is exotic because it allows one-and-a-half hand usage but that isn't fully implemented in ddo.

[Taluron]

Seems like I remember seeing some in the game already. Aren't there some Halberdiers in Tangleroot?

Yes, but those darn Hobgolblin's won't share with us.

Halberds are d10 x3 Piercing or Slashing so not the x4 that OP's looking for anyway.

[WirelessJoe]

Seven feet of Awesomesauce.

http://www5f.biglobe.ne.jp/~ssbohe/Pole/pole_anm_lucerne.gif