Longsword-using clonk?

[Axiomofchoice]

I've always wanted to try to make a Long-sword using cleric work. I came with this 17Cleric/3Monk.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Female
(3 Monk \ 17 Cleric)
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 1208
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 11
Will: 21

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 20
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 12 14
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 16 27
Charisma 8 12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 3
Bluff -1 1
Concentration 5 22
Diplomacy -1 2
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 1
Heal 3 10
Hide 2 3
Intimidate -1 1
Jump 3 5
Listen 3 8
Move Silently 2 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 0
Search -1 0
Spot 3 8
Swim 3 5
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a 12

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Fighter


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Whirling Steel Strike
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Fighter Strength I


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning IV

What do you guys think? My biggest concern is how tight the feats are, thanks to the WSS prereqs. Should I drop some of the melee feats for metas? I also considered getting the Sov. Host enhancements instead of the charisma enhancements, but I think the charisma will benefit me more. I'm going for a slightly heavier emphasis on melee, but I'm pretty open to ideas either way.

[FaSo]

One feat that i would highly recomend having is quicken, it will help with quick healing as you are fighting, and using mass heal at 20. Im trying to think of how to fit it in, the problem is that there is no feats to swich it out for, maybe grt TWF, but thats the only one i can think of. you could also add one fighter over the 3rd lvl of monk and free up one feat spot for it. Other then that it looks good!


Good luck

Faso

[Talltale-Storyteller]

Having played a build that was similar I have to say I hated it and settled on a 17/3 unarmed build instead that i enjoyed much more.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=290046&highlight=breaks+tide

That link shows my final build, and in the OP i linked the thread where a very in depth discussion took place regarding a WSS clonk.

[-Zyxas-]

With levels in Wis and having PA, will you be able to hit? That's my main concern with the build. And yeah, fists are probably better.

[k1ngp1n]

Oh my.

[DrNuegebauer]

Longsword using monk (or clonk) is a waste of 2 feats.

If you really want to do it, then the point of it is to build ki and keep spamming your FoL finisher.

You'll find that this is particularly ineffective in group play - it'll be nice for solo stuff, but you'll get frustrated that you can't really kill anything with the terrible DPS you'll be outputting with the longswords (especially with no str).

Doing it with fists is much better since you'll be able to fit the feats you need

[Ilklr]

With levels in Wis and having PA, will you be able to hit? That's my main concern with the build. And yeah, fists are probably better.
The to-hit should be ok. Not great, but ok. It should land somewhere around +40ish.

I think the actual damage output and lack of spellcasting feats are much more of a concern. You may want to consider swapping in a quicken, but the feats are definitely tight. The way I see it, you pretty much have 3 options here (listed in order of my recommendation):

1. Give up WSS. Use wraps and you can grab 2 metamagics.
2. Give up your light path. Take a level (or two) of fighter, grab the rogue dil, and take quicken.
3. Keep the build as it is. Sure, it's not in any way optimal, but I always say we play the game to have fun. If you're dead set on this as it is, it shouldn't be too bad as a flavor build.

[Talltale-Storyteller]

The to-hit should be ok. Not great, but ok. It should land somewhere around +40ish.

I think the actual damage output and lack of spellcasting feats are much more of a concern. You may want to consider swapping in a quicken, but the feats are definitely tight. The way I see it, you pretty much have 3 options here (listed in order of my recommendation):

1. Give up WSS. Use wraps and you can grab 2 metamagics.
2. Give up your light path. Take a level (or two) of fighter, grab the rogue dil, and take quicken.
3. Keep the build as it is. Sure, it's not in any way optimal, but I always say we play the game to have fun. If you're dead set on this as it is, it shouldn't be too bad as a flavor build.

With regards to point 3...

I totally agree, but will also let the OP know that trying a similar build myself I was very unsatisfied and am much more happy with my build i linked.

[Niktoo]

Longsword using monk (or clonk) is a waste of 2 feats.


He's right, but kamas are so annoying and unremarkable that you may want to take longswords as a flavor build.

If I was going to do it i would go 18/2 with longswords and not be centered.

[unbongwah]

I would also stick with handwraps or maybe even switch to staves; that lets you drop DEX & the TWF chain to focus on more metamagics. Not that you really need the extra healing from FoL on a cleric in the first place, but it's a fun idea. :)

I was messing with a staff-wielding HO monk / cleric build. I don't expect DPS to be great, but I'm hoping HO melee enhs help out enough to not be an embarrassment. :p


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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Orc Female
(3 Monk \ 17 Cleric)
Hit Points: 287
Spell Points: 1128
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 10
Will: 21

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 18 22
Dexterity 12 14
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 16 26
Charisma 6 8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III

[erikbozelie]

stafes?.. no...
longswords? no

here (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=309106) is an basic weapon comparason.
longsword is about the same as an +1kama in that sheet (that one had imp crit 19-20) so without IC i dunno.

you got the most awesome weapon known in ddo, unarmed strikes. id suggest you use them!

edit: it is near the battle axe, not the kama*

[bergeau09]

Hey i just made your build, with the 3 Monk levels, no ftr.
It's pretty awsome, with evasion and self-heal, you it give you some mad avantages for solo play.
I've been able to solo a couple of 4's & 5's on elite w/out hires.
I don't know how it will look and work on higher lvl but for the moment, i really like it.
Thank you posting !