This Reincarnation thing... I just don't get it

[Khanyth]

I know I'm not a new player.... but this Reincarnation thing...... I know I should get it.... I just don't.

I've googled, read wiki's, searched around.... but I think this whole TR thing is much like those Shroud puzzles. Meaning: I just don't get it. People have tried to explain it to me, but quite frankly... it just doesn't sink in and I end up saying that I get it, because I just don't want them to get mad or waste anymore time than I already have.


So... here I go:

I have a 28pt dwarven barb. I love him but with the +5 reincarnation sale going on, I'm tempted to buy one and reincarnate him. Now, I have unlocked the favour that allows me to build a 32 pt character. So, I'm not sure what I want to do with him, but ideally, if I am going to reincarnate him, I'd love to skip 32, and even more ideally, skip 24 and go to a 36pt build

What I want to know is:

1. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 32pt dwarven barb?
2. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 34 or a 36 pt dwarven barb?
3. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 32, 34, or 36 pt barb of another race?
4. Is it even possible to make the jump from 28 to 36..... or do I have to go 32, build him up to 20 again, reincarnate to 34, build him up to 20 again, reincarnate to 36?

And please..... keep it simple for my poor brain. A simple: Yes you can: buy a _______ or a No, that's not possible is very much appreciated.

Thanks.

[Impatiens]

To convert a 28 point barb to a 32 point barb of the same race you need a Greater heart of Wood.
To convert a 28 point barb to a 34 point barb you need a True Heart of Wood and you need to relevel your character from 1 with more experience needed per level.
To get a 36 point build you need to reincarnate a 34 point build using a true heart of wood and will require even more experience to level.
To change races you need to reincarnate using a true heart of wood. You will need to relevel from 1 and it will require more experience per level. You will also have the 34 point build this way.
You only need things like +1, +2, +3, etc greater/lesser hearts of wood if you want to change a level of your class. let's say you wanted to change to a 18 barb/2 rogue. You would need a +2 Heart of wood to change two levels into rogue levels from barb levels.

Does that make sense? It can be pretty confusing.

[jwdaniels]

I know I'm not a new player.... but this Reincarnation thing...... I know I should get it.... I just don't.

I've googled, read wiki's, searched around.... but I think this whole TR thing is much like those Shroud puzzles. Meaning: I just don't get it. People have tried to explain it to me, but quite frankly... it just doesn't sink in and I end up saying that I get it, because I just don't want them to get mad or waste anymore time than I already have.


So... here I go:

I have a 28pt dwarven barb. I love him but with the +5 reincarnation sale going on, I'm tempted to buy one and reincarnate him. Now, I have unlocked the favour that allows me to build a 32 pt character. So, I'm not sure what I want to do with him, but ideally, if I am going to reincarnate him, I'd love to skip 32, and even more ideally, skip 24 and go to a 36pt build

What I want to know is:

1. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 32pt dwarven barb?
2. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 34 or a 36 pt dwarven barb?
3. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 32, 34, or 36 pt barb of another race?
4. Is it even possible to make the jump from 28 to 36..... or do I have to go 32, build him up to 20 again, reincarnate to 34, build him up to 20 again, reincarnate to 36?

And please..... keep it simple for my poor brain. A simple: Yes you can: buy a _______ or a No, that's not possible is very much appreciated.

Thanks.

1. A greater heart and a greater reincarnation
2. A true heart and a true reincarnation (for 34 point) followed by another true heart and true reincarnation (for 36 point)
3. You can't make him 32 point of another race. Any of the true reincarnations will allow you to pick a new race.
4. You can skip 32 - if you TR a 28-point build you go straight to 34-points, assuming you have 32-point unlocked. You cannot skip to 36 though without doing 34 first.

EDIT: As far as your issues with shroud puzzles, I suggest this thread:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=228976

[basketaske]

If you TR a 28 point build, it becomes 34 point. Same goes for 32 point.

[sacredguyver]

1. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 32pt dwarven barb? 32 point builds unlocked and a Greater Heart of Wood.
2. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 34 or a 36 pt dwarven barb? True Reincarnating makes you a 34 point build (the first time).
3. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 32, 34, or 36 pt barb of another race? True Reincarnation is the only way to change your race.
4. Is it even possible to make the jump from 28 to 36..... or do I have to go 32, build him up to 20 again, reincarnate to 34, build him up to 20 again, reincarnate to 36? No and Yes. Your first True Reincarnation will take you from 28 to 34 point builds. Your second True Reincarnation will take you from 34 to 36 point builds.

Thanks.

Comments in bright green.

EDIT: LOL Triple Ninja'd. xD

[rytiux]

1. you need to greater reincarnate him with a greater druidic heart of wood but he will stay level 20 then
2. no matter if your barb is 28 or 32 he always goes to 34 after the first true reincarnation and when you get him to 20 and reincarnate again he becomes a 36 pt build
3. you can pick any race on a true reincarnation you cannot change race on a lesser or a greater one
4. you have to reincarnate to him to 34 then to 36 no way to skip 34pts

hope this info helps:)

[LordPiglet]

already answered

[rytiux]

wow you're all so fast

[vrobel]

I know I'm not a new player.... but this Reincarnation thing...... I know I should get it.... I just don't.

I've googled, read wiki's, searched around.... but I think this whole TR thing is much like those Shroud puzzles. Meaning: I just don't get it. People have tried to explain it to me, but quite frankly... it just doesn't sink in and I end up saying that I get it, because I just don't want them to get mad or waste anymore time than I already have.


So... here I go:

I have a 28pt dwarven barb. I love him but with the +5 reincarnation sale going on, I'm tempted to buy one and reincarnate him. Now, I have unlocked the favour that allows me to build a 32 pt character. So, I'm not sure what I want to do with him, but ideally, if I am going to reincarnate him, I'd love to skip 32, and even more ideally, skip 24 and go to a 36pt build

What I want to know is:

1. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 32pt dwarven barb?
2. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 34 or a 36 pt dwarven barb?
3. What do I need to do to reincarnate my 28 pt dwarven barb into a 32, 34, or 36 pt barb of another race?
4. Is it even possible to make the jump from 28 to 36..... or do I have to go 32, build him up to 20 again, reincarnate to 34, build him up to 20 again, reincarnate to 36?

And please..... keep it simple for my poor brain. A simple: Yes you can: buy a _______ or a No, that's not possible is very much appreciated.

Thanks.
2.You need to be lvl 20 and have a True druidic heart of wood.1st time you do that you will be a 34 point build 2nd time and more you will be a 36 pt
1.(yes i started with 2. ;) ) You only need a Greater heart of wood ,no +1 or 3 needed
3.cant change a race when greater reincarnating.You can change your race when true reincarnating.
4.Not possible,only jump you can do is from 28pt to 34pt (True reincarnating)

[Khanyth]

Thanks all.

One other question:

What do the +1, +2, +3, and all that mean?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Thanks all.

One other question:

What do the +1, +2, +3, and all that mean?

They let you change levels.

So if you wanted to change your 20 wiz into a 2 rogue/20 wiz you buy a +3 heart (there is no +2) and it lets you change up to 3 of those wiz levels into something else (in this case you just change 2 into rogue).

[jwdaniels]

Thanks all.

One other question:

What do the +1, +2, +3, and all that mean?

For each + you can change a level that you took in your current life to a different class. The trick is that you have to know exactly when you took each level, because it doesn't just change the split it changes the selection at each level.



1.(yes i started with 2. ;) )

Dude, that was evil and it confused the hell out of me.

[Impatiens]

Thanks all.

One other question:

What do the +1, +2, +3, and all that mean?

That's if you want to change a level to a different class. So like in the example I gave a +2 heart of would would let you change two levels to, say, rogue so you'd be an 18 barb/2 rogue. Or lets say you made a multi-class character with one level of cleric before you knew any better, you could use a +1 hear of wood to change that level out to make your character pure.

[Khanyth]

EDIT.... gotcha


So.... just to review:

If I want to reincarnate my pure 20, 28pt dwarven barb into a pure, 36pt dwarven barb, I would:
1. Get a true druidic heart of wood (without any +# with it) to take me from 28 to 34,
2. Relevel to level 20,
3. Use another true druidic heart of wood (again, no #) and it will take me to a 36 pt build.


If I wanted to reincarnate my pure 20, 28pt dwarven barb into a pure 20, 36pt half orc barb, would it be the same, or does a true druidic heart of wood not allow me to switch races?

[Lerl]

*edit*
You can switch races with a True Heart.

[basketaske]

exactly

edit: question was edited between my reading and responding

[Khanyth]

EDIT:

Gotcha so, 2 true druidic hearts of reincarnation is all I need, with 1 releveling inbetween the 2

[Impatiens]

EDIT:

Gotcha so, 2 true druidic hearts of reincarnation is all I need, with 1 releveling inbetween the 2

Two True druidic hearts are what you would need to go from 28 to 36 point, yes, but you will need to relevel BOTH times and each time requires more experience than the previous one. A second TR, 36 point build, needs over 4 million experience to level to 20. So consider whether that is really worth it to you.

So it goes like this:
1. 28 point buld gets a true heart to get to a 34 point build.
2. relevel to 20 with more XP needed than before (can't remember the number)
3. 34 point build gets a true heart to get to a 36 point build.
4. relevel to 20 with even more xp needed than before (can't remember exact number but it is around 4.5 million)

[kernal42]

A summary that fails to directly answer all of your questions:

Lesser Reincarnation:
You keep exp, race, alignment, gender, all class levels, stats, and the order of levelling. You re-level, allowing you to change skills and feats.
+N: This allows you to change class levels also. For example, an LR+1 would let you choose your first level as rogue, instead of barb. The next 19 levels would then be locked in as barb.

Greater Reincarnation:
You keep exp, race, alignment, gender, all class levels, and the order of levelling. You re-allocate stats (allowing you to build with 32-pts instead of 28 if you've since unlocked that). You then re-level, allowing you to change skills and feats.
+N: This allows you to change class levels also. For example, an LR+1 would let you choose your first level as rogue, instead of barb. The next 19 levels would then be locked in as barb.

True Reincarnation:
You keep gender and inventory.
Your favor is erased, as are raid flags.
You re-level from 0 exp as whatever race, class, and alignment you want. Doing so requires more exp than a first-life character. Your build points are also increased to 34 (first TR), and then to 36 (second and later TRs).

Cheers,
Kernal

[Khanyth]

Two True druidic hearts are what you would need to go from 28 to 36 point, yes, but you will need to relevel BOTH times and each time requires more experience than the previous one. A second TR, 36 point build, needs over 4 million experience to level to 20. So consider whether that is really worth it to you.

Arg... I forgot about that xp needed doubling thing. Bugger..... ah, I'll think about it.

Is it hard to get 2 True Druidic Hearts in game, or should I get them now in the store while they are on sale?

[Khanyth]

A summary that fails to directly answer all of your questions:

Lesser Reincarnation:
You keep exp, race, alignment, gender, all class levels, stats, and the order of levelling. You re-level, allowing you to change skills and feats.
+N: This allows you to change class levels also. For example, an LR+1 would let you choose your first level as rogue, instead of barb. The next 19 levels would then be locked in as barb.

Greater Reincarnation:
You keep exp, race, alignment, gender, all class levels, and the order of levelling. You re-allocate stats (allowing you to build with 32-pts instead of 28 if you've since unlocked that). You then re-level, allowing you to change skills and feats.
+N: This allows you to change class levels also. For example, an LR+1 would let you choose your first level as rogue, instead of barb. The next 19 levels would then be locked in as barb.

True Reincarnation:
You keep gender and inventory.
Your favor is erased, as are raid flags.
You re-level from 0 exp as whatever race, class, and alignment you want. Doing so requires more exp than a first-life character. Your build points are also increased to 34 (first TR), and then to 36 (second and later TRs).

Cheers,
Kernal

So, since I want to stay pure barb, but just change my race (maybe) and go from 28pt to 36, should I:
1. Greater Reincarnate to go from 28pt dwarven barb to 34pt dwarven barb, then relevel to 20, then,
2. True Reincarnate to go from 34 pt dwarven barb, to 36 pt half orc/warforged barb?

[Cardtrick]

So, since I want to stay pure barb, but just change my race (maybe) and go from 28pt to 36, should I:
1. Greater Reincarnate to go from 28pt dwarven barb to 34pt dwarven barb, then relevel to 20, then,
2. True Reincarnate to go from 34 pt dwarven barb, to 36 pt half orc/warforged barb?

No, that's not possible.

Greater Reincaration doesn't require you to relevel. All it does is change you from 28 pts to 32 pts (not 34) and let you pick all your feats, skills, and attributes again. (Yes, technically you use the level-up screen to pick those, but you start with all the experience you need.)

True Reincarnating once will get you to 34 pts. True reincarnating again will get you to 36 pts. Any true reincarnations (TRs) after that will stay at 36 pts. When you TR, you will need to level up again from scratch. YOu will keep your items, but nothing else -- all quests will be uncompleted, and you will be at 0 favor. You'll be back to 1 bank slot and 3 inventory slots. It will take more than the usual amount of experience for you to level up.

If all you want is a 36 pt barbarian, you will need to True Reincarnate twice. The first reincarnation can be as any race or class -- it doesn't matter at all, except that it will give you a "past life" feat for the appropriate class. The main point of this first TR is to get you from 28 pts to 34 pts. The 2nd reincarnation is when you choose the race and class you want to stick with, and you will now have moved from 34 pts to 36pts.

EDIT: For the "middle life", your first TR, I would actually suggest choosing something other than Barbarian. You will already have one Barbarian past life, allowing you to pick the active Barbarian past life feat if you want to. Taking additional Barbarian past lives gives an extra +10 HP. It's useful, but not especially useful. I think Monk (for +1 to damage), Paladin (for stacking +5% healing amp), or Fighter (for +1 to attack rolls and +1 to tactical feat, like Stunning Blow or Trip, DCs).

[Khanyth]

Thanks all.... me thinks I get it now

[Impatiens]

Is it hard to get 2 True Druidic Hearts in game, or should I get them now in the store while they are on sale?

You can buy hearts in game with epic dungeon tokens, so if you run a lot of epics it isn't that hard, but if you rarely do epics it's probably better to buy them when they are on sale.

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

They let you change levels.

So if you wanted to change your 20 wiz into a 2 rogue/20 wiz you buy a +3 heart (there is no +2) and it lets you change up to 3 of those wiz levels into something else (in this case you just change 2 into rogue).

Correction: 20 wiz into a 2 rogue/18 wiz

[FlyingTurtle]

So, since I want to stay pure barb, but just change my race (maybe) and go from 28pt to 36, should I:
1. Greater Reincarnate to go from 28pt dwarven barb to 34pt dwarven barb, then relevel to 20, then,
2. True Reincarnate to go from 34 pt dwarven barb, to 36 pt half orc/warforged barb?

Consider a fighter instead of Barb again on your first TR for the passive past life feat. (What's that, you say?) http://ddowiki.com/page/Past_Life_Feats

[Khanyth]

Consider a fighter instead of Barb again on your first TR for the passive past life feat. (What's that, you say?) http://ddowiki.com/page/Past_Life_Feats

Okay.... that's another question I have....... do I have to level up my character as a fighter to take the fighter past life feat, or can I choose it though I still leveled up as a barb?

[FlyingTurtle]

Okay.... that's another question I have....... do I have to level up my character as a fighter to take the fighter past life feat, or can I choose it though I still leveled up as a barb?

The majority class on your previous life determines the past life accessible in subsequent lives.

So, to access fighter past life on life 3, you need at least 11 levels of fighter in life 2.

(Yes there's that weird situation where if you have more than one majority class, so we need to break ties, but let's not go into that unless we really have to).

[Khanyth]

thanks, and again, thanks everyone for your help