15 Cleric/1 Fighter Question on Multiclassing/Groups

[kilagan800]

I have a question and I need to know if it's my toon or if some people probs with multiclassed clerics. Whenever I run a quest in a group I usually get praises for my healing skills, but recently I ran Invaders! and Delirium and both times a player in the group talked smack about my toon. One of the things they'd mention was I'm not keeping the group alive or I must be a noob or must be my first cleric.

My cleric is currently a level 15 cleric and level 1 fighter, but healing his skills are spot on (from what I can tell). I have RS1, RS2, over 1k sp, scrolls and wands. And the last time I ran Invaders nobody in the group died, we ran a rogue, monk, 2 wizards and a barb with my cleric. So, I'm kind of at a loss here. Sometimes I get declined from joining a group because my cleric has 1 level of fighter.

Anyway, I don't think some players are aware that clerics, like wizards, cannot cast spells while in the presense of a beholder. And that includes heal spells.

So my question is, am I playing my cleric wrong in these two quests? Or, are some people complaining just for the sake of complaining? Because I play wiz and pure heals all the time, but it seems like I'm getting heat just for multiclassing my cleric for 1 level.

Thanks

kil

[Phidius]

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So my question is, am I playing my cleric wrong in these two quests?...

Possibly - save your auras for healing while under the effects of a Beholder's suppression. It's also great for removing the negative levels that the average pugger will be laboring under.

Once the party has leveled the beholder(s), use your spell points to remove the rest of the neg levels and owies.


... Or, are some people complaining just for the sake of complaining?...

Sure - if you can't beat 'em, join 'em! Just repeat after me.

"Sticks and stones will break your bones, but dead mobs cannot hurt you. Kill faster next time."


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Because I play wiz and pure heals all the time, but it seems like I'm getting heat just for multiclassing my cleric for 1 level.

Thanks

kil

Newb - you need to multiclass deeper :D

[ColdNapalm]

There are people who are all about optimizing and will not acknowledge anything else as good. The severity of this depends on the server.

[Noctus]

I have a question and I need to know if it's my toon or if some people probs with multiclassed clerics. Whenever I run a quest in a group I usually get praises for my healing skills, but recently I ran Invaders! and Delirium and both times a player in the group talked smack about my toon. One of the things they'd mention was I'm not keeping the group alive or I must be a noob or must be my first cleric.

Many (read: dumbnut NooBz) are completly unaware that Beholders prevent casting.

My cleric is currently a level 15 cleric and level 1 fighter, but healing his skills are spot on (from what I can tell). I have RS1, RS2, over 1k sp, scrolls and wands. And the last time I ran Invaders nobody in the group died, we ran a rogue, monk, 2 wizards and a barb with my cleric. So, I'm kind of at a loss here. Sometimes I get declined from joining a group because my cleric has 1 level of fighter.

Be thankful for the decline. These guys have a 98,7% chance (+-2%) of being of the "many" category described in anwer 1. - Instead laugh and solo the quest while they stand around and wait for a Nannybot to hold their hand and wipe their arsehs if they have a booo-booo.

Anyway, I don't think some players are aware that clerics, like wizards, cannot cast spells while in the presense of a beholder. And that includes heal spells.

Yes.

So my question is, am I playing my cleric wrong in these two quests? Or, are some people complaining just for the sake of complaining? Because I play wiz and pure heals all the time, but it seems like I'm getting heat just for multiclassing my cleric for 1 level.

Ignore dumbnuts.
1 Fighterlevel on your Cleric is an excellent Noob-Detergent.

Thanks

kil


Enjoy.

[ColdNapalm]

I wouldn't say that all those people are dumbnut noobz...there is quite a few very good players who are just optimizing elitist jerks. So really the 1 fighter is saving you from noobz AND jerks :P .

[PurdueDave]

IMX...Invaders is always easier by myself.

[kilagan800]

Thanks for the replies everyone. It helped a lot, including my knowledge of what to explain to others why I'm not doing this or that. Also, I tried using healing auras while in the presense of a beholder and noticed it gets cut short.

Thanks again for your help. :)

[LordMond63]

I'm thinking that you're just the latest victim of the misperceptions of the Dumb Masses.

I have a 2 FTR/14 CLR who is optimized for healing. My motivation for going FTR was to have the ability to use pretty much all weapons (with a few exceptions I know) and maybe hit things a bit more often than a pure Cleric could (and I also was laboring under long-outdated 2.o rules- I was not aware, for example, that Clerics can use bladed weapons. "Back In The Day", they couldn't). Like you, I have the healing enhancements and equipment that maximizes my healing capability. I pride myself in being able to keep groups- and even raids- alive with minimal help.

But there are those who consider splashing FTR with CLR as being a complete waste of levels and that I have irrevocably gimped my character, to the point that they will /decline my request to join their group, occasionally sending me a /tell that they are looking for a "real healer". All you can do is shrug and know that it is their loss.

[Furare]

Possibly - save your auras for healing while under the effects of a Beholder's suppression. It's also great for removing the negative levels that the average pugger will be laboring under.

Just as a note: auras are dispelled by beholders, and won't remove negative levels. What you mean are bursts (RS1).

And yeah, having a level of fighter on your cleric tends to frighten off the sort of person a battlecleric wouldn't want to group with anyway. :D

[PNellesen]

I'm thinking that you're just the latest victim of the misperceptions of the Dumb Masses.

I have a 2 FTR/14 CLR who is optimized for healing. My motivation for going FTR was to have the ability to use pretty much all weapons (with a few exceptions I know) and maybe hit things a bit more often than a pure Cleric could (and I also was laboring under long-outdated 2.o rules- I was not aware, for example, that Clerics can use bladed weapons. "Back In The Day", they couldn't). Like you, I have the healing enhancements and equipment that maximizes my healing capability. I pride myself in being able to keep groups- and even raids- alive with minimal help.

My 19/1 Cleric/Fighter does just fine healing, and as you state, the main reason I splashed fighter was to use nice THF weapons like Falchions, Greatswords, and Greataxes once I discovered how useless Sword/Board was in this game (I soloed a lot in the early levels and got horribly frustrated at how long it took to kill stuff that way :p ). I can't say I've ever been declined from a group because of my 1 level of Fighter, though I have been asked a few times if I'm a "battle cleric" or if I'm "healing specced", to which I reply "My bio says it all" (see my sig)

[Phidius]

Just as a note: auras are dispelled by beholders, and won't remove negative levels. What you mean are bursts (RS1).

And yeah, having a level of fighter on your cleric tends to frighten off the sort of person a battlecleric wouldn't want to group with anyway. :D

Indeed - what I meant was "don't use your auras, but instead use your Turn Undead to power the bursts".

I should stop trying to be concise, and instead focus on being accurate :D

[Furare]

...I have been asked a few times if I'm a "battle cleric" or if I'm "healing specced", to which I reply "My bio says it all" (see my sig)

See, my answer to that would be "both". I am a battlecleric and I am healing specced. The two ain't mutually exclusive or anything...

[Noctus]

See, my answer to that would be "both". I am a battlecleric and I am healing specced. The two ain't mutually exclusive or anything...

Too true.


No tradeoffs in this regard.

[bryanmeerkat]

I wouldn't say that all those people are dumbnut noobz...there is quite a few very good players who are just optimizing elitist jerks. So really the 1 fighter is saving you from noobz AND jerks :P .

Optimising elitised jerks know that you only need 17 levels of cleric to be optimal .

By favourite argument ever on this topic was a guy telling me a 15 cleric would be a better healer than a 15 cleric/2 monk split .

[stille_nacht]

Optimising elitised jerks know that you only need 17 levels of cleric to be optimal .

By favourite argument ever on this topic was a guy telling me a 15 cleric would be a better healer than a 15 cleric/2 monk split .

unless you are in abot :], in which case party no like non-di cleric >:

but yeah, really as long as you dont run out of sp, you dont need to be pure cleric.

[PNellesen]

unless you are in abot :], in which case party no like non-di cleric >:

Not just Abbot - apparently you have to have at least one Capstone Cleric to get to VoD as well, at least according to a couple of the groups I've recently run with... (though a few of the others managed to get there just fine without DI, just took a bit longer)

[Furare]

Optimising elitised jerks know that you only need 17 levels of cleric to be optimal .

By favourite argument ever on this topic was a guy telling me a 15 cleric would be a better healer than a 15 cleric/2 monk split .

Reminds me of something I read in the "noob's stupid remark of the week" thread where a F2/C18 was declined from a ToD because they "needed a healer", and when said cleric asked the group leader if he'd have been accepted if he were a pure L18 cleric, the answer was yes. I don't get some people. >.>

[NovaNZ]

I am presently running a dwarf cl11/ft1 speced for healing and swinging that big axe as needed. I have generally only had few occasions where other players pipe concern re my healing capacity.

A PL demanded to know if I was a 'battle cleric' and could I indeed heal?

I congratulated him on catching me out try to do a sneaky! With vigorous embellishment, I confessed that I was actually a 'UC' player (under cover) - I explained that I was actually the first DDO Druid running 'secret' playtime with PUGs and suggested he check his DDO store account at the next possible opportunity as he "may well have earnt himself a nice little something" for being so vigilant.

He was so chuffed - it never occurred to him that I never answered his Question!

ps - heals seemed to be ok during that quest.

[JasonJi72]

This reminds me of some of the flak I've received trying to join a group as a fvs.

"Are you speced for healing?"

"I'm a favored soul"

"Yes, but can you heal?

"I'm a favored soul"

*Invite to group* decline

"On second thought, I'll just solo it"

[ColdNapalm]

This reminds me of some of the flak I've received trying to join a group as a fvs.

"Are you speced for healing?"

"I'm a favored soul"

"Yes, but can you heal?

"I'm a favored soul"

*Invite to group* decline

"On second thought, I'll just solo it"

Or you can just answer the man. I'm sorry but a FvS actually can be made without one single bit o healing so it is not an unreasonable question. Yes it is bloody idiotic to do it...but you know why that question gets asked? Because enough bloody idiotic morons did do it. The proper answer would have been instead of "I'm a favored soul", it should have been "I'm not a moron".

[Sambadd]

I'm currently running a Horc Ranger/Cleric. I took Ranger at level one, and will take one more Ranger level later on, to give a finished Horc Cleric 18 with RS II.

I did it for MY reasons, to please My sense of what is interesting, because I can see it being a MY kind of a fun build to play. MY Horc Ranger/Cleric has abilities and skills that make ME happy!

Don't let the fruitcakes get to you.

Play the GAME, and have FUN!

[FuzzyDuck81]

I'm currently running a Horc Ranger/Cleric. I took Ranger at level one, and will take one more Ranger level later on, to give a finished Horc Cleric 18 with RS II.

I did it for MY reasons, to please My sense of what is interesting, because I can see it being a MY kind of a fun build to play. MY Horc Ranger/Cleric has abilities and skills that make ME happy!

Don't let the fruitcakes get to you.

Play the GAME, and have FUN!

QFT :)

OP, as other posters have said above, a fighter splash on a cleric is a good way of weeding out some of the idiots - and the extra HP from it & ability to use better weapons doesnt hurt. Both of my own clerics are multiclassed - i have a capped 15 cleric/3 monk/2 paladin thats a blast to play, and am currently levelling a more standard battlecleric, a WF that will be cleric 18/fighter 2 at cap.

[kcru]

II have a 2 FTR/14 CLR who is optimized for healing. My motivation for going FTR was to have the ability to use pretty much all weapons (with a few exceptions I know) and maybe hit things a bit more often than a pure Cleric could

I find the big benefit is the Haste boost. If there's something that needs to go down fast, Haste + Human:damage (or attack, depending) really takes things out faster than my base cleric could have... especially given a nice scimitar and a bit of luck. :)


Mostly it didn't matter, but recently had started running into some priests that are wearing full plate... hardish to hit, can heal regularly, and toss freakin flamestrikes if you let up on them. I'm hoping that isn't the case so much now but haven't had a chance to test that particular problem yet.