stop with the events

[justplayingthegame]

Seriously.
All in all it's just an easy epic bone for the noobs to aquire, which in the end doesn't really satisfy the need for <real> new content, as in a new area.

[rdasca]

/not signed

You can argue the merits of the loot from these types of events, but they are a fun distraction from the normal grind and it allows people to play a bit differently for a few days.

The standard response is if you do not like the event do not play it; however, I understand you mean the easy of which it is to get these new items compared to say and epic Chaosblade, well I can agree with that to a certain point, but in the long run I much prefer this even to the last one, the devs actually took into account "normal" players as opposed to power gamers, the grind is much, much easier this time, maybe too easy but still a step in the right direction.

[Sweyn]

I'd rather have new quests, raids, and epic Gianthold than these events tbh.

[werk]

/signed


I'd like to have both, personally. A new area with adventure pack, items, etc every update IN ADDITION TO fun monotony breaking events.

IMNSHO YMMV IYKWIMAITYD

[Impatiens]

I agree completely with rdasca. Events like this are a fun diversion. And the kobolds in Crystal Cove are adorable! How can anyone not love them?

I actually love that they have included some easy epics for the "noobs". I've run plenty of epic dungeons and grinding out the items you want from them is a chore to say the least. Random drops are no fun. You could run Epic Wiz King 60 times and still not get all the pieces you need for your Epic Ring of Spellstoring (for example). In this event the only luck needed is in acquiring doubloons and the proper gems for the upgrades, but even then it isn't hard at all. If Epics from Epic Dungeons were hard to get because the content was really and truly difficult versus being hard to get because they are an epic grind I might agree with you. However, I welcome a way to get some epics where I almost completely control the drop rates.

This event also lets more casual players get a taste of some of the quality of items they would be able to get at endgame if they ran epics. This might inspire some of them to actually try them. Anything that gets people more involved and interested is a good thing.

Also, I know people are saying they want more content, who doesn't? But DDO has been pretty good about adding new content this past year. I took a break for a while around this time last year and there are so many new quests I haven't tried yet. I'm pretty sure that doing a fun event for their 5th anniversary isn't going to prevent them from adding some more new content sometime soon.

[justplayingthegame]

/not signed

You can argue the merits of the loot from these types of events, but they are a fun distraction from the normal grind and it allows people to play a bit differently for a few days.
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kinda my point, a silly distraction for a few days as opposed to a good long range area.

I would personally like to see something like another area as large as vale/GH with an end game raid that takes as long to figure out as Titan was.

and NO bloody lama preview for outa the box first day completions.

BTW I really don't care the noobs are geeting these epic bones, kinda funny watchimng them gimp their charactors with gear that doesn't flow all the way around.

[cdemeritt]

/not signed... As far as the events go, They add a variance to the game that was lacking before... Some days I'm just not in the mood for serious questing.

/signed... Event gear is starting to get to be a little much.... to the point where a piece of gear you can make in a day or two is better than Epic/Raid items that you can spend months trying to get... In some ways this is good, in others it's not...

/signed... While I like the events and such, We are overdue for some serious content... Things I'd like to see at somepoint soon are:

A lvl 20 xoriat based raid
at least 4 new quests in amarath
a handful of new quests in the vale
any new quests for post Gianthold content (really we still only have 3 lvl 15 quests, 5 lvl 16 quests, 6 lvl 17 quests, and 2 lvl 20 quests?) Ok, lvls 18-19 have a bunch, but...

[justplayingthegame]

/not signed... As far as the events go, They add a variance to the game that was lacking before... Some days I'm just not in the mood for serious questing.
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Totaly agree, now I will add I like burgers with my fries :P

[AZgreentea]

I'd rather have new quests, raids, and epic Gianthold than these events tbh.
True, but for special occasions the events are nice. I dont expect Turbine to come up with a new event all of the time. There are only so many holidays or reasons to celebrate. Once all of the major holidays are basically covered by something, then we will probably only see a new event once a year (birthday).

Besides, we will get new content when we actually get an update. U9 was delayed by snow and technical challenges. I feel turbine followed through on its promise for 2010 and I feel it will again in 2011, so I'm not worried. We know they most likely make more lvl 14+ content this year, since in 6 updates they covered from lvl 5-13.

[Sarisa]

This event also lets more casual players get a taste of some of the quality of items they would be able to get at endgame if they ran epics. This might inspire some of them to actually try them. Anything that gets people more involved and interested is a good thing.

Completely agree with this. The way this event is done is far better for the health of epics than Mabar was.

In Mabar, the final tier of the items required a single dungeon token, so during that week there were dozens of LFM's up to get the one or two token that they needed. It led to many, many people who were not geared for epics and had no interest in the epic game to run them. I never saw so many failed runs as that week. A couple experienced players can, in some cases, drag a group through, but not always. For the people who actually did have an interest in starting to run epics during this time, having to deal with that many failed runs would have been a frustrating experience. Having their learning experience ruined by someone who truly didn't care about the epic game at all, just because of the 1 token per level 20 item requirement, is not a good thing at all.

In this event, you can get a basic (it's called epic but I wouldn't consider a tier 1 item a real epic item) item that's pretty good and definitely usable without much work or effort. You can upgrade it to tier 2 with a few runs of the Cove, and have an item close to what the low end House P/House D epics can give. If they show enough dedication to grind for tier 3 (not hard, but not absolutely easy), and get a slot put on their item, they may decide to fill it.

Filling an epic item's slot isn't hard either, just time consuming and requires some dedication. The people that do have an interest in filling the slot WILL be interested in epics for more than just a single token (like Mabar), and are far more likely to be in for the "long haul". They'll also far more likely equip themselves and listen to the leaders, and add to the epic community.

[Thornton]

kinda my point, a silly distraction for a few days as opposed to a good long range area.

I would personally like to see something like another area as large as vale/GH with an end game raid that takes as long to figure out as Titan was.

and NO bloody lama preview for outa the box first day completions.

BTW I really don't care the noobs are geeting these epic bones, kinda funny watchimng them gimp their charactors with gear that doesn't flow all the way around.

Yeah because only a noob would use any of this stuff and "gimp" their characters, right? lmao

[broolthebeast]

people complained that they did not have enough special events. xmas event, halloween events, birthday events, ect ect ect. Now we have them. No people complain for no more events. Just the way it works. You can't please everyone.

Personally, I am enjoying the birthday event far more than any of the other events that they have had. Not laggy, light hearted and refreshing.

As far as the easy epic gear goes, people need to get over it.. It gives more casual players a taste at what they could get if they ran the end game epics. Personally, I find the epic desert grind wrist slitting worthy.

The dagger should of been exclusive, but meh someone can already drink their way thru any quest they so choose so.


**edit**

btw, you still need epic dungeon tokens/raid tokens to fill in the augment slots with anything anyways. Secondly, about gimping their toon with any of this gear the spyglass is a perfect consolidation item for my bard/rogue or any other with trapskills. 20spot/20search/3umd... that's pretty gimpy.

+2 exceptional seeker that stacks with the marilith chain, ya thats gimpy too.

[Braegan]

meh. While I am certainly not a fan of this event and pretty vocal about it, I am not against events in general. I would prefer to see them more like an event rather than a limited time offer to scoop up phat loots (act now!). :rolleyes:

The devil assault (while plagued with lag) was prolly the most fun I've had in an event.

Maybe events with fun mini-games like trivia or players battling devs controlling mobs. Or PvP with a Dev? (now which one of you implemented DA? ;) )

So events are fine, just make better ones please. :D

[ArloOne]

/not signed

Gear is gear. Grind is grind. Events..well, they are a change of pace from the normal. Myself and guildies like the change once in a while. I also have met a lot of cool people, I probably would have never met if just doing the same old same old. In my opinion, the events offer another avenue for community growth and friendships.

+1 to Turbine for the events they have offered up..I and most of my friends, welcome these little distractions!

[BoBo2020]

/notsigned

It is a good event.
It's fun.
It has good challenge and good gear.

I have heard and evaluated the concern that newer players can acquire high level gear without "earning" it.
Frankly, this is a poor argument.
New (and vet) players can earn specific, high powered gear by completing specific limited-time challenges.
You still have to be level 20 to use the best gear from this event.
This gear doesn't make existing epic gear worse; it simply provides a new option.
If you want some of the gear yourself, go get it.
Don't be jealous - the notion that new players have to "earn" this gear through epic grinding comes across as petty. (It comes across as though you don't want someone else to have something nice, because then you're stuff is no longer "special")
Gear doesn't make you special; it doesn't make you a better person or better player.
It doesn't prove to anyone that you are a ddo god with leet skills.
Gear is a tool.
If you want to use a specific piece of gear, do so.
If not, don't.
But don't complain that suddenly everyone else's hammer makes yours feel smaller.

[crazy7381]

I dont like the event I am not doing it nuff said. Stop whining about everyone else and worry about yourself.


Unless you like to act like a "parent/guardian (you can insert any word here you imagination can muster)" to the entire gaming community.

Eat your vegetables so you can mature from noob to uber elitist like myself....

[Kaldais]

/not signed, Epic quests are broken, they are easy, boring and grindy. This event is still fresh, and fun! If I want non-fun grind I will go play WoW.

[Braegan]

/notsigned

It is a good event.
It's fun.
It has good challenge and good gear.

I have heard and evaluated the concern that newer players can acquire high level gear without "earning" it.
Frankly, this is a poor argument.
New (and vet) players can earn specific, high powered gear by completing specific limited-time challenges.
You still have to be level 20 to use the best gear from this event.
This gear doesn't make existing epic gear worse; it simply provides a new option.
If you want some of the gear yourself, go get it.
Don't be jealous - the notion that new players have to "earn" this gear through epic grinding comes across as petty. (It comes across as though you don't want someone else to have something nice, because then you're stuff is no longer "special")
Gear doesn't make you special; it doesn't make you a better person or better player.
It doesn't prove to anyone that you are a ddo god with leet skills.
Gear is a tool.
If you want to use a specific piece of gear, do so.
If not, don't.
But don't complain that suddenly everyone else's hammer makes yours feel smaller.

Yup because everyone wishing to maintain game balance is jealous. :rolleyes:

[AZgreentea]

kinda my point, a silly distraction for a few days as opposed to a good long range area.

I would personally like to see something like another area as large as vale/GH with an end game raid that takes as long to figure out as Titan was.

and NO bloody lama preview for outa the box first day completions.
Maybe I dont understand your point, but you cant stop the min/maxers. Take the egg hunt. People had the Ultimate Aura path figured out within an hour of the event going up, even when the path was changed this year.

By definition, Min/Maxers will always find the fastest way to get exactly what they want in the shortest amount of time, and then move on to something else. Not having a preview would have slowed down a true min/maxer for about.... an hour. And then they would have posted the fastest way someplace in short order for the less talented.

Long range area's are tough on casual players like myself. I can usually /diplo my wife aggro for an hour, maybe three on a weekend. Even as it is, I might get 5 hours total to run the event while it is open this week. An area that takes 45 min to run, and 25 runs to get what you want would be terribly frustrating, if it was only open for a week.

The way this event is, you can get what you want, and then go and enjoy the 25% XP, 30% renown, and +2 loot when you are done. Min/maxers and players with more time can get some levels for their guilds and finally push some TR's over the top. I would argue that is far better than anything you can get in the event for those people.

[justplayingthegame]

Yeah because only a noob would use any of this stuff and "gimp" their characters, right? lmao


hmm.
I thinks you missed the point.
yes noobs without alot of gear to swap around with are indeed going to try using some new epic item like for example a hat, which they may or maynot have had minos, thus leaving themselves with no heavy fort.

please try and go with the NOOB part of this, and not insert a a vet or someone with tons of gear that can swap things around to accomadate a NEW item.
as is i hate to think how many players get to shroud, with no heavy fort, or DR breaking weapons.

[Thrudh]

I think it's very fun.

[Twitchster]

Its no-win situation for Turbine with some people.. of course they are working on new content, you know they are.. it would be dumb for them not to be.

If they were not releasing events as these, the threads would be posted under the topic.. "we don't get anything new, at least give us an event."

You are not going to please everyone, but more people are pleased than are not.. that is evident by the amount of people playing in the cove.

One thing you should always remember in just about ANY MMO game.. the "noobs" outnumber the 1 - 2% "best of the best".... who do you think game companies are going to cater too?

Money talks.

That being said.. love the event, look forward to whatever Turbine has planned for the future.

[justplayingthegame]

Yup because everyone wishing to maintain game balance is jealous. :rolleyes:


hear hear.
nice when someone reads a post and doesn't take it out of context.
almost as rare as that **** red scale shard I need, it has to drop soon, after 167 epic dragons still no fries to go with the burger.

[Thornton]

hmm.
I thinks you missed the point.
yes noobs without alot of gear to swap around with are indeed going to try using some new epic item like for example a hat, which they may or maynot have had minos, thus leaving themselves with no heavy fort.

please try and go with the NOOB part of this, and not insert a a vet or someone with tons of gear that can swap things around to accomadate a NEW item.
as is i hate to think how many players get to shroud, with no heavy fort, or DR breaking weapons.

I didn't miss the point, you didn't make one except to call ppl. noobs and say they were gimping their char.s with the event gear.

I don't raid much because of RL time constraints and I don't do epics at all because I think that they are silly. My char.s have 0 pieces of raid gear between them.

I have a bunch of regular items that just get me through the parts of the game that I enjoy. I will be one of the "noobs" trying to get a few pieces of this "character gimping" gear of which you speak.

I didn't participate much in the Mabar event but I think this will be a little more to my liking. I am glad that the developers are having a little mercy on players like me.

I am sorry if the casual players getting some gear that is almost as good as some of the raid/epic gear for which some of you have spent so much time grinding seems to bother some of you so much, but I for one am glad that "we" have this option.

[justplayingthegame]

[QUOTE=AZgreentea;3613530]
By definition, Min/Maxers will always find the fastest way to get exactly what they want in the shortest amount of time, and then move on to something else. Not having a preview would have slowed down a true min/maxer for about.... an hour. And then they would have posted the fastest way someplace in short order for the less talented.
QUOTE]

let me reiterate a point, and clear up a misconception you have about min maxers.
which i have been since launch.

Titan was a raid that took months for an elite group to finally figure out and complete.

it was a blast, and actually meant something when bones was the first to complete.
now today with the previews one or 2 of the leet guilds goes in and DONE, which i've been part of.
very anti climatic.

[rnor6084]

Seriously.
All in all it's just an easy epic bone for the noobs to aquire, which in the end doesn't really satisfy the need for <real> new content, as in a new area.

Dont like it dont play it.

Casual here,yes i said casual because "noob" is code word for casual coming from your type. I refuse to play the grind game even in the form of an event. So, no need to worry, this casual player will not have any of your uber gear. Therefore you can continue to feel superior. Be my guest.

[Thornton]

Dont like it dont play it.

Casual here,yes i said casual because "noob" is code word for casual coming from your type. I refuse to play the grind game even in the form of an event. So, no need to worry, this casual player will not have any of your uber gear. Therefore you can continue to feel superior. Be my guest.

Amen, brother.

[justplayingthegame]

I don't raid much because of RL time constraints and I don't do epics at all because I think that they are silly. My char.s have 0 pieces of raid gear between them.

I have a bunch of regular items that just get me through the parts of the game that I enjoy. I will be one of the "noobs" trying to get a few pieces of this "character gimping" gear of which you speak.
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sorry you took this post personaly, but by your own words I understand why.
My post wasn't meant as an attack on un geared people getting a bone, or calling people like yourself a noob because they don't have the proper gear.

BTW one reason your not doing epics, is you don't have the gear :P

[Thornton]

sorry you took this post personaly, but by your own words I understand why.
My post wasn't meant as an attack on un geared people getting a bone, or calling people like yourself a noob because they don't have the proper gear.

BTW one reason your not doing epics, is you don't have the gear :P

Thanks for presuming to tell me the reason why I don't do a thing. The cool thing about being me is that I don't give a f*ck what you think.

[justplayingthegame]

Thanks for presuming to tell me the reason why I don't do a thing. The cool thing about being me is that I don't give a f*ck what you think.

ok try this on for size you don't do epics and yet you say it's a silly thing.

mind explaining this track of thought.

[My2Cents]

Ok so if they made Smuggler's Rest a permanent area would that solve the problem? ...

[Ghaldar]

Yup because everyone wishing to maintain game balance is jealous. :rolleyes:

Balance of what? Elite players always having better things than certain segments of the population? Balance of power in the game?


There is no need to balance anything in regards to what gear people obtain as this is a PLAYER versus ENVIRONMENT game not PvP. The PvP is an after thought in DDO. If you speak of balancing the game then you must be referring to who has and has not.

Epic content is not hard. Epic questing for loot is the worst thing to happen to this game since Green steel. Both mechanics added a grind to this game that really changed the dynamic of why most of who stayed after the post launch slump and why someone like me fell in love with this game. I understand it was necessary and saved DDO by mainstreaming it.

So some folks who have all the time in the world to grind epics can get a couple items then complain about how gimped others are and exclude them from groups. Anything that threatens this balance of the game is then bad?


For the record I have Greensteel all over and many many chars outfitted with it, I also have epic items. So I participate in the grind. I do realize though that great gear can take a **** player and pull them through. I have also seen great players with **** gear do just fine, because they know their limitations. Time and time again the player behind the character matters more than who has what gear. So what does it matter in the end if more people have more gear to game balance? I do not believe so. If you want a real epic experience play nontwink Perma Death.

Besides we sat for 4 years *****ing about not having events. Now we get them and others complain. This one is at least fun and new and well done.

[justplayingthegame]

Balance of what? Elite players always having better things than certain segments of the population? Balance of power in the game?


There is no need to balance anything in regards to what gear people obtain as this is a PLAYER versus ENVIRONMENT game not PvP. The PvP is an after thought in DDO. If you speak of balancing the game then you must be referring to who has and has not.

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pvp was an after thought to the game as was grinding. but it is an MMO.

NOW the thing is, epic means something other then go grab up some stuff and in 30 min. have an epic item.

epic isn't really supposed to be something you can just GO get!

[Khanyth]

People don't like parties?

Because that's what these events are.... parties.

Don't be a pooohper.

If you don't like them, don't attend them. It's really just that simple.

[zebidos]

pvp was an after thought to the game as was grinding. but it is an MMO.

NOW the thing is, epic means something other then go grab up some stuff and in 30 min. have an epic item.

epic isn't really supposed to be something you can just GO get!

Well the items that you can get are not that "epic" Having a extra +1 strength or +4 sneak attack is nothing, sure it all adds up but is a fully geared toon has a str of 40 vs 44 from gear and does a tiny bit more damage I wouldn't call them "epic"

[Ghaldar]

pvp was an after thought to the game as was grinding. but it is an MMO.

NOW the thing is, epic means something other then go grab up some stuff and in 30 min. have an epic item.

epic isn't really supposed to be something you can just GO get!

Then the whole epic system by your logic should be reworked. (which I am in favor of btw) By your own reasoning epics are all bad because all it is is go grab some stuff. Both the event and the epic questing scroll grind are the same go kill some stuff collect some random generated junk throw it in a device and trade them in for gear. The SOLE difference is that nonevent epic gear takes FOREVER to get lucky scroll pull. So I guess that the only people worthy of epic gear are those who have the time to Epically grind for scrolls.


Epics right now are NOT hard. Some of which are ridiculously easy (von2, Big top). The End all be all Epic raid (Chrono) is not overly hard either. The amount of coordination it takes to complete crystal farming is the same it takes to run chrono. The difficulty of a quest is not how hard the mobs hit. it is in how hard it is to coordinate people. Epic=mass hold swing swing swing. Repeat. The event at least takes some coordinated efforts and thought.

[Tilliak]

Why is it that every single time there is an event there is someone whining about how they don't want any more events? You play the game and obviously enjoy it or you wouldn't be here to begin with. What do you think they should have done for the 5 year anniversary of the game that you are enjoying? You're under the assumption that because they created the event that absolutely nobody is working on other new content. That's a pretty dumb notion.

The one thing I can say is that I really, really hope that they come up with some other events. Smugglers Rest is awesome! They could have done what they did last year and bring back the ice games for absolutely ever holiday or event. About 60% of last year, the harbor saw snow and ice. It was completely ridiculous. Save the ice games for the winter and come up with events for other times of year. Start this year with a summer event. Next year you can come up with a spring event, and so on.

I agree that the Epic system needs a rework. Epic difficulty dungeons should be levels 21 -25 or 30. Thus matching actual Epic levels. In addition, there should be some completely new Epic dungeons rather than just reworks of dungeons we already have. Epic characters should be traveling to other planes to battle minions of the gods themselves, and Shav doesn't really count at this point.

[Aashrym]

I'll toss in 2cp and say keep the events coming. They are a nice change of pace and this one was fun, which is the point of playing. It's a nice, simple philosophy. ;)

[maddmatt70]

I will say that this is a better event then the other recent ones. I concur with the OP overall though. The thing that I worry about with these events is just how much dev time is spent on them. How many quests/raid and other content could have been created if the resources were spent elsewhere? An event here or there is fine, but now there has been far more events then raids in the last year. I do not play this game to play events but to run quests and raids.

[nolaureltree000]

i love this event because it should help increase the quality of PUGs. yeah, no amount of gearing can fix stupid, but letting everyone get a few epic items per toon, even if just situational items in some cases, cannot hurt. i do not envision PUGs magically becoming awesome or anything, but every little bit helps right?

[Chai]

Forumites: This epic grind isnt a challenge. Its just boring and time consuming. They need to make it so it doesnt take as much time to farm these items.

Turbine: Heres an event that allows you to make epic quality items in far less time than it takes to farm epics.

Forumites: ZOMG!!! This isnt fair that players dont have to farm as long as we do in epics to make these items.

Turbine - Powered by its fans, and the breeze created by all the backpedaling when Turbine delivers on all their feedback.

If irony were money, people moaning about this stuff would be ballin out of control. Bentleys, bling, swimming pools and movie stars.

[Braegan]

Balance of what? Elite players always having better things than certain segments of the population? Balance of power in the game?
I was referring to balance of how much you currently have to invest to yield a certain quality of gear. Introducing a comparable item that takes 3 hours to make versus 3 months is unbalancing.

There is no need to balance anything in regards to what gear people obtain as this is a PLAYER versus ENVIRONMENT game not PvP. The PvP is an after thought in DDO. If you speak of balancing the game then you must be referring to who has and has not. First, I'm not a PvP guy. Second yes in a PVE game there still needs to be balance, hencle ML on weapons. This is like throwing a BTA no ML Vorpal in a water works end reward. A rediculous reward for paulty by comparison effort.

Epic content is not hard. Epic questing for loot is the worst thing to happen to this game since Green steel. Both mechanics added a grind to this game that really changed the dynamic of why most of who stayed after the post launch slump and why someone like me fell in love with this game. I understand it was necessary and saved DDO by mainstreaming it. Agree epics are not hard. They can be challenging with less then optimal groups but I still have fun in them.

So some folks who have all the time in the world to grind epics can get a couple items then complain about how gimped others are and exclude them from groups. Anything that threatens this balance of the game is then bad? Those folks are just dumb. I've run epics plenty with characters that had little to no epic gear and I did fine, then again I'm the type that laughs at link your dr breaker lfms.


For the record I have Greensteel all over and many many chars outfitted with it, I also have epic items. So I participate in the grind. I do realize though that great gear can take a **** player and pull them through. I have also seen great players with **** gear do just fine, because they know their limitations. Time and time again the player behind the character matters more than who has what gear. So what does it matter in the end if more people have more gear to game balance? I do not believe so. If you want a real epic experience play nontwink Perma Death. The balance comes from up until now if you wanted the best you had to put some effort and time in. This is a clear easy button and goes over the top with how silly it is to make these epic items. I agree player > gear. Then again I was the type to go and cap two characters on Cannith with craptastic gear and I still stomped the yard. Tried Perma Death was too slow for my taste, but I can see where some get enjoyment from it.

Besides we sat for 4 years *****ing about not having events. Now we get them and others complain. This one is at least fun and new and well done.
This is less like an event and more like a blue light special getting everyone to aisle grind asap to lock in thier phat loots. I would like to see more events like the devil assault. Or things like I saw on lama when devs threw a bunch of named mobs in the marketplace. Out of the ordinary, fun events that don't include a grind.



In short, I don't have a problem with events. I have a problem with this event, specifically the loot gained from it. It might be a little tough to understand but I am not really on one side of extremes or the other. I really don't understand why, if they felt the need to include a mini-grind item fest, that they didn't just present items that did not rival and/or replace the top tier but would be really nice to have.

[justplayingthegame]

I will say that this is a better event then the other recent ones. I concur with the OP overall though. The thing that I worry about with these events is just how much dev time is spent on them. How many quests/raid and other content could have been created if the resources were spent elsewhere? An event here or there is fine, but now there has been far more events then raids in the last year. I do not play this game to play events but to run quests and raids.


indeed,
I believe you put it better then I did.

it's not the events I have an issue with really, just time better spent elsewhere.

[IronClan]

I really like this event, way more fun and fast paced than Mabar, much better spread of gear, thing is if you look at the gear that's available, it's really not that uber to Epic players, we're talking short swords, light shields, leather armor ... no Khopeshes, no Falchions, nothing that displaces DT armor or Epic M. Chain. Just "poor mans chaos blades".

Though certainly there's some nice swapable stuff there, most of it is clearly not going to displace similar niche real epic items. And I think this was intended by the Devs to help "close the gap" between newer players and long time vets without trivializing true epic gear.

Actually I already wrote this post in Zaodon's thread
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3613296&postcount=88

Long story short there's some nice stuff there, it's mostly useful to help newer players catch up and as a "carrot" for them to keep playing to higher levels. IMO a break from raiding is welcome... They can reuse these events and even add to them so this narrative about how they are neglecting content is kinda exaggerated, and disingenuous. Once they make it it's gonna be reused.. and at some point they will have events for every occasion.

[Major_Pain]

I like the events. I find them fun and distracting. I think this event cause most items are bound and require people to play.

I also like the fact that people can get geared up for epics with this event. I feel sorry for those who have to stop at level 20 because they never could grind the gear.

/not signed

[The-Last-Wolf]

Seriously.
All in all it's just an easy epic bone for the noobs to aquire, which in the end doesn't really satisfy the need for <real> new content, as in a new area.

Greetings OP et al,

First off let me be clear I enjoyed both Mabar and this event. Secondly, I am probably what would be called a casual player. I have a single toon I am working on, and devote no more than 20+ hours a week to playing max.

That said, I think you need to accept the reality, which is that further development in any MMO, is only going to happen if the game is showing profits for the company providing it. This profit, comes not from the tiny percentage of hard core players, but from the massive percentage of casual players. Casual players as a whole will be drawn into events, participate more, and in the end spend the money that fuels the development.

So for the additional content you want, you surely have to accept the need for events such as this.

FTR, my definition of hard core vs casual has nothing to do with subscription level. I am going to hazard a guess that there are many more casual VIP's than there are hard core. and the same for Premium and FTP

Regards
Wolf

[Bloodstealer]

/NOT SIGNED

OP its a small special fun event which breaks up the monotany of the grind for a few days.

I would hazard a guess your also a forumite who likes to post how you also hate the grind for epic loot, hate grinding XP on your TR's,hate grinding Shroud for ingredients, hate grinding out booty bits for TOD etc etc etc. but now you get a small window to have a little fun and a minor grind to obtain some half decent (not earth moving) stuff which might actually help you rethink your other grinds... but then again, some players can never be satisifed.

Simple rule to apply here... if you dont like the event then dont play it !

[Arius]

to the OP:

have you fully explored the event? It's pure ingenious. The devs did an incredible job with this one. Fresh, novel..... genius. period. If you can't recognize the quality of work here then I'm afraid you are probably just a fun-sucker. Enjoy it while you can, get involved a bit, or try to.

[GentlemanAndAScholar]

Seriously.
All in all it's just an easy epic bone for the noobs to aquire, which in the end doesn't really satisfy the need for <real> new content, as in a new area.

Can't agree with this. The event is only for couple days and it's nice to group and farm with guildies. It's easy-peasy enough to short-man it at level 25. I have no issues with newbies acquiring epic gear, to be honest. The more people well geared for end-game content, the bigger the pool of puggers you can tap. It would've been a HUGE mistake if they would've left the loot as OPd as it was on lama, but seeing as they tweaked it, I think it's appropriate. Come Tuesday event is gone, back to your regular grind programming (which would be the exact same grind if there was new content).

[hecate355]

hmm.
I thinks you missed the point.
yes noobs without alot of gear to swap around with are indeed going to try using some new epic item like for example a hat, which they may or maynot have had minos, thus leaving themselves with no heavy fort.

please try and go with the NOOB part of this, and not insert a a vet or someone with tons of gear that can swap things around to accomadate a NEW item.
as is i hate to think how many players get to shroud, with no heavy fort, or DR breaking weapons.

Yes, many newer people get to shroud without DR breakers, should they spend millions to buy those off AH? cause seriously, finding cheap DR breakers almost never happends. Also its quite likely that you dont pull suitable DR breaker by yourself on the way up to 20.

After all, shroud IS source of reliably cheap DR breaker. Just dont expect new players to have same gear as those who have rolled countless alts to 20, thats nuts.

People forget times they were in that situation themselves, we all had to start somewhere, many dont remember anymore.

[bryanmeerkat]

I'd rather have new quests, raids, and epic Gianthold than these events tbh.

This is a new quest , It may only be short term but it is still a new and very fun quest . I also look forward to new quests and raids in the future . If they happen to hide these new quests in events It wont bother me .

As all Id like to see faster updates with more content , but If you didnt notice we have all been playing a new quest for the last few days get to smugglers rest and try the new quest they have there . If it had been brought out as a regular new quest , people would of been likely saying how great a new quest it is .

[TigrisMorte]

poor baby. How horrible it must be to not get everything exactly your way.

Risa is a blast!
The egg hunt is a blast!
Mayban was/is a blast!
The birthday event is a blast!

Don't want to play them? Go play something else.

Sorry to kick your personalcentric in the teeth but it is not "all about you" or me or any one.

[Yagi]

hmm.
I thinks you missed the point.
yes noobs without alot of gear to swap around with are indeed going to try using some new epic item like for example a hat, which they may or maynot have had minos, thus leaving themselves with no heavy fort.

please try and go with the NOOB part of this, and not insert a a vet or someone with tons of gear that can swap things around to accomadate a NEW item.
as is i hate to think how many players get to shroud, with no heavy fort, or DR breaking weapons.
There are many other ways to get heavy fort and anybody who has taken the time to get taps probably knows of its value.

And dr? You dont get a ratkiller for DPS, you get it for the stun/effects, some "noobs" as you call them that have not managed to pull +10 stunners yet just got more versitile in epic quests. Enjoy.

[bryanmeerkat]

Ah so what you suggest is never ever put a non heavy fort hat option in the game incase noob players that probably dont know about Minos , dont use Minos in favour of the other hat ?

Maybe they should just put a warning on any hat item in game that is not Minos

"Warning equiping this item will mean you are not wearing Minos Hat . Are you sure you wish to continue ? "
Yes or No
"Yes? Are You sure, this means giving up your heavy fort in this slot . Are you sure you wish to continue? "
Yes or No
" This is your final chance nubcakes . You are about to wear a hat that isnt minos , are you really doing that , all the leet kids say its the best and its the only item in the game with Heavy Fort , are you really sure ?"
Yes or No

[MaximusParthas]

/notsigned

It is a good event.
It's fun.
It has good challenge and good gear.

I have heard and evaluated the concern that newer players can acquire high level gear without "earning" it.
Frankly, this is a poor argument.
New (and vet) players can earn specific, high powered gear by completing specific limited-time challenges.
You still have to be level 20 to use the best gear from this event.
This gear doesn't make existing epic gear worse; it simply provides a new option.
If you want some of the gear yourself, go get it.
Don't be jealous - the notion that new players have to "earn" this gear through epic grinding comes across as petty. (It comes across as though you don't want someone else to have something nice, because then you're stuff is no longer "special")
Gear doesn't make you special; it doesn't make you a better person or better player.
It doesn't prove to anyone that you are a ddo god with leet skills.
Gear is a tool.
If you want to use a specific piece of gear, do so.
If not, don't.
But don't complain that suddenly everyone else's hammer makes yours feel smaller.


I am neither jealous nor concerned about what casual players get. My beef is that I spent millions of plat and months of work to get Unkors cleaver. 2 of them in fact. Only to find out I could have saved my time AND money by just waiting for an event and then getting a better item in 2 hours. Basically I feel like I wasted my time, treasure and effort. to get what was supposed to be available only to the best of the best.

[Aashrym]

I am neither jealous nor concerned about what casual players get. My beef is that I spent millions of plat and months of work to get Unkors cleaver. 2 of them in fact. Only to find out I could have saved my time AND money by just waiting for an event and then getting a better item in 2 hours. Basically I feel like I wasted my time, treasure and effort. to get what was supposed to be available only to the best of the best.

It's not actually 2 hours tho, looking at a timeline perspective. If it's an annual event it's 1 year. If it's never back up again it's never. Once this event is over we are looking at 1 year to get those items again. You may have devoted a lot of time specifically to those items but you also were taking advantage of playing the game at the same time.

It's not like there are no other benefits from that grind, such as plat (for said AH purchases), other items, XP. Some decent items from a short event isn't necessarily a bad thing considering the fact there are some missing benefits and it is fun. It will not hurt you to allow some other player the benefits of some decent equipment.

A player doesn't actually need to spend money on the AH as well. That's a choice to speed things up, not a necessity.

I would like to see more high level adventure packs and more raids. I do not see an issue having epic settings for some more of the existing content as well. I would love to see some epic adventure packs specifically designed for epic level characters as well.

I would not like to see the removal of events like this one. Without these events any other new content is likely to turn into the same grind we already see. Short events break that grind up. Newer grind does not remedy older grind nearly so well.

It's just my opinion, but your choices on how much time and plat you spend on something should not stop us from having these events. We still need incentive to keep them busy and loot is a good incentive.

[jmonty]

this may have been mentioned, but i think the intent with the relative ease of getting the fully upgraded epic items is to create a long term interest in running epic content. prior to this i haven't been too into epic stuff but i think i'll make a concerted effort to gather the raid tokens necessary to upgrade at least one slot on an epic item, even if it is what i refer to as a 'blue light special' epic.

[Antheal]

Change the events from being temporary fluff to being actual new content. Everybody wins.

[78mackson]

plat farming fiesta...

[locus]

this may have been mentioned, but i think the intent with the relative ease of getting the fully upgraded epic items is to create a long term interest in running epic content. prior to this i haven't been too into epic stuff but i think i'll make a concerted effort to gather the raid tokens necessary to upgrade at least one slot on an epic item, even if it is what i refer to as a 'blue light special' epic.

Exactly. I think it's a good push to get more people involved in epic, more so than requiring a token for an item like Mabar.

Anyway, devs: I bet the OP is in the minority and most of us are loving the event. You can safely ignore the thread ;)

[Sebastrd]

In short, I don't have a problem with events. I have a problem with this event, specifically the loot gained from it. It might be a little tough to understand but I am not really on one side of extremes or the other. I really don't understand why, if they felt the need to include a mini-grind item fest, that they didn't just present items that did not rival and/or replace the top tier but would be really nice to have.

I've never understood this attitude. Why should you or anyone else have access to better gear simply by virtue of having more time to spend on the game than others. Time does not equate to effort.

[Braegan]

I've never understood this attitude. Why should you or anyone else have access to better gear simply by virtue of having more time to spend on the game than others. Time does not equate to effort.

Time, in and of itself, does not equal effort. But time is most certainly a factor in demonstrating effort.

[Maleth]

Seriously.
All in all it's just an easy epic bone for the noobs to aquire, which in the end doesn't really satisfy the need for <real> new content, as in a new area.

o.0 Attack on storm reach? Carnival? Red Fens? All released last year. Where the heck have YOU been?

[GentlemanAndAScholar]

Time, in and of itself, does not equal effort. But time is most certainly a factor in demonstrating effort.

So, by your rationale, for those of us who joined nearly 4 years ago playing nightly ... we should have gear that new players will never be able to get. Right.

[bryanmeerkat]

I am neither jealous nor concerned about what casual players get. My beef is that I spent millions of plat and months of work to get Unkors cleaver. 2 of them in fact. Only to find out I could have saved my time AND money by just waiting for an event and then getting a better item in 2 hours. Basically I feel like I wasted my time, treasure and effort. to get what was supposed to be available only to the best of the best.

Ok I am going to give you a hint here that will help you in your mmorpg future .
Never ever get any equipment or items , at some point they always make newer better items .

And again you are not the best of the best because you have sat with your auto attack button on , occasionly pressing tab , whilst a mage cast Mass Hold Monster on stuff .

[Braegan]

So, by your rationale, for those of us who joined nearly 4 years ago playing nightly ... we should have gear that new players will never be able to get. Right.

Exactly.

Founders Helm
Boots of Minor Striding
Amulet of Natural Armor
etc.


:p


Serously tho, I am not saying newer players should not have a fair shake at getting the goods. But they should have to pay the same dues. Just because you have a join date of 2011 shouldn't mean you log on with 20 orchard taps in your backpack(for example). No, you should have to farm, trade, buy, w/e just like everyone else did. Same rules and balance is all I was ever about.

[bryanmeerkat]

Exactly.

Founders Helm
Boots of Minor Striding
Amulet of Natural Armor
etc.


:p


Serously tho, I am not saying newer players should not have a fair shake at getting the goods. But they should have to pay the same dues. Just because you have a join date of 2011 shouldn't mean you log on with 20 orchard taps in your backpack(for example). No, you should have to farm, trade, buy, w/e just like everyone else did. Same rules and balance is all I was ever about.

Oh so is this new gear easier for new players to get than it is for you ? I was not aware of that .

I wonder if you are also one of those guys that wont run with new people who have rubbish gear and exclude them on that basis .

[Satinavian]

hmm.
I thinks you missed the point.
yes noobs without alot of gear to swap around with are indeed going to try using some new epic item like for example a hat, which they may or maynot have had minos, thus leaving themselves with no heavy fort.

please try and go with the NOOB part of this, and not insert a a vet or someone with tons of gear that can swap things around to accomadate a NEW item.
as is i hate to think how many players get to shroud, with no heavy fort, or DR breaking weapons.

This is totally ridiculous


You DO know, that you can put heavy fort on the event hat ? With min-level 9 ? Wich you can make with a lv 5 toon, if you want ?

This event makes it possible for newer players, that know about the minos (or a least the usefulness of fort) but are not geared/experienced enough to survive in Orchard or don't own the pack, to acqire a similar item a lot earlier.

[Braegan]

Oh so is this new gear easier for new players to get than it is for you ? I was not aware of that .

I wonder if you are also one of those guys that wont run with new people who have rubbish gear and exclude them on that basis .

lol

No but as stated numerous times it is easier to aquire then existing epics, thereby trivalizing previous epics.

You're probably right. I'm such a jerk to new players that I volunteer my free time to assist new players to get better acquainted with the game. Boy do you have me all figured out. :rolleyes:

[phalaeo]

Seriously.
All in all it's just an easy epic bone for the noobs to aquire, which in the end doesn't really satisfy the need for <real> new content, as in a new area.

OOC, if the new stuff is better for some of my builds than other epics, why shouldn't I aquire them regardless of my join date or level of skill?

Hrmmm.... let's see...

Was looking for DR/Demonic Shield for one of my Chars. Countless EVoNs/Chronos/EDQs trying to get EStonemeld Plate (Kinda sucks) or EInfested Armor AND EBracers of the Demon's Consort or get it all on one Armor?

Not just for "noobs"... I'd place myself in the Powergamer category and I'm happy with these items and the event.

I'm not denying that we need some new content, but FFS- seems like you really can't please everybody. First, people complain that Epic crafting is broken and takes too long to aquire. Then people complain it's too easy, even though it's just a Birthday event, not a change to Epics. I think people need to either stop whining or go do something else if they don't like it.

[bryanmeerkat]

lol

No but as stated numerous times it is easier to aquire then existing epics, thereby trivalizing previous epics.

You're probably right. I'm such a jerk to new players that I volunteer my free time to assist new players to get better acquainted with the game. Boy do you have me all figured out. :rolleyes:

Well if you are so new player friendly why do you have issues with them being able to catch up gear wise ?

People are always complaining about how grindy getting epic gear is , they put in some items to give people a leg up into epic content and now your not happy that they arent going to have to grind as much as loads of people have complained about having to grind to get epic gear .

[Braegan]

Well if you are so new player friendly why do you have issues with them being able to catch up gear wise ?

People are always complaining about how grindy getting epic gear is , they put in some items to give people a leg up into epic content and now your not happy that they arent going to have to grind as much as loads of people have complained about having to grind to get epic gear .

I do not have issues with new players catching up gear wise, or casual vets, or unlucky power-gamers. I do have issues with Epic level gear being attained too easily. As I had mentioned previously in this thread good examples of introducing new gear that is easy to aquire and is not insulting to those who had previously ground the gear out are those found in the Attack on Stormreach pack. You can introduce new and easier by comparison gear without throwing the balance out the window. They (devs) choose not to this time.

As I had mentioned in another thread the grind factor of previous Epics was like an 11, reasonable folks would have been content with that being toned down to an 8 or a 9. Throwing in a limited time only Epic grind factor of a 2 is a bit much by reasonable persons standards.

I understand asking for balanced rewards versus time/effort spent is quite unpopular but sometimes it is needed. Take the ESOS for example. It's first form was way overpowered and needed to be brought down some. Sure there was complaining but it was needed for game balance and still remains complete pwnage just not overpowered pwnage anymore.

[doubledge]

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/falcon-hair-500x582.jpg

[bryanmeerkat]

I do not have issues with new players catching up gear wise, or casual vets, or unlucky power-gamers. I do have issues with Epic level gear being attained too easily.


Ah you dont mind them catching up a bit as long as it takes them four years to do it .

Not to mention
I havent even seen one item in there the min maxers havent declared as average at best .

Would it of made you happy if they had just not used the word "epic" in the level 20 named items until it was tier 3 . Then they would have not had epic items , just pretty good min level 20 items .

[justplayingthegame]

/NOT SIGNED

OP its a small special fun event which breaks up the monotany of the grind for a few days.

I would hazard a guess your also a forumite who likes to post how you also hate the grind for epic loot, hate grinding XP on your TR's,hate grinding Shroud for ingredients, hate grinding out booty bits for TOD etc etc etc. but now you get a small window to have a little fun and a minor grind to obtain some half decent (not earth moving) stuff which might actually help you rethink your other grinds... but then again, some players can never be satisifed.

Simple rule to apply here... if you dont like the event then dont play it !



the only part about my ideals is the I'm not playing the event.
actualy not playing much et al due to the lack of new content. and these little excursens into event land just don't do it for me. if any of the gear was usable as in better then what I have already then maybe.
when I say better, saying an item has spot 20 search 20 etc etc, is not viable unlees you really screwed yer toon up to start with.

[Braegan]

Ah you dont mind them catching up a bit as long as it takes them four years to do it .

Not to mention
I havent even seen one item in there the min maxers havent declared as average at best .

Would it of made you happy if they had just not used the word "epic" in the level 20 named items until it was tier 3 . Then they would have not had epic items , just pretty good min level 20 items .

Four years is too long, four days is too short. See how I did that? It's called a balance.

[justplayingthegame]

poor baby. How horrible it must be to not get everything exactly your way.

Risa is a blast!
The egg hunt is a blast!
Mayban was/is a blast!
The birthday event is a blast!

Don't want to play them? Go play something else.

Sorry to kick your personalcentric in the teeth but it is not "all about you" or me or any one.


lamo, take offense alot do ya.

[justplayingthegame]

Ah so what you suggest is never ever put a non heavy fort hat option in the game incase noob players that probably dont know about Minos , dont use Minos in favour of the other hat ?

Maybe they should just put a warning on any hat item in game that is not Minos

"Warning equiping this item will mean you are not wearing Minos Hat . Are you sure you wish to continue ? "
Yes or No
"Yes? Are You sure, this means giving up your heavy fort in this slot . Are you sure you wish to continue? "
Yes or No
" This is your final chance nubcakes . You are about to wear a hat that isnt minos , are you really doing that , all the leet kids say its the best and its the only item in the game with Heavy Fort , are you really sure ?"
Yes or No



you are as short sighted as your reading comp implies. , the GEAR would be to swap out accordingly. take off heavy fort help equip heavy fort ring or something epic that has it.

[justplayingthegame]

I am neither jealous nor concerned about what casual players get. My beef is that I spent millions of plat and months of work to get Unkors cleaver. 2 of them in fact. Only to find out I could have saved my time AND money by just waiting for an event and then getting a better item in 2 hours. Basically I feel like I wasted my time, treasure and effort. to get what was supposed to be available only to the best of the best.

exactly.
it's were hard work gets ya a kick in the teeth.
LETS DUMB down DDO somemore to accomodate the cash cows.

[bryanmeerkat]

you are as short sighted as your reading comp implies. , the GEAR would be to swap out accordingly. take off heavy fort help equip heavy fort ring or something epic that has it.

lol pot-kettle-black .

[justplayingthegame]

Exactly.

Founders Helm
Boots of Minor Striding
Amulet of Natural Armor
etc.


:p


Serously tho, I am not saying newer players should not have a fair shake at getting the goods. But they should have to pay the same dues. Just because you have a join date of 2011 shouldn't mean you log on with 20 orchard taps in your backpack(for example). No, you should have to farm, trade, buy, w/e just like everyone else did. Same rules and balance is all I was ever about.



exactly.
BTW don't forget the underwater amulet clickie

[bryanmeerkat]

Four years is too long, four days is too short. See how I did that? It's called a balance.

I think 4 days is plenty long enough to get some average gear suitable for level 20 charachters .

What is it about other players having this gear that offends you so much . Does your e-nis not look big enough when other players who you arent playing with have nice items too ?

Or are you a little less of a hero if you dont have your massive edge over the newbies when you group with them?

[justplayingthegame]

OOC, if the new stuff is better for some of my builds than other epics, why shouldn't I aquire them regardless of my join date or level of skill?

Hrmmm.... let's see...

Was looking for DR/Demonic Shield for one of my Chars. Countless EVoNs/Chronos/EDQs trying to get EStonemeld Plate (Kinda sucks) or EInfested Armor AND EBracers of the Demon's Consort or get it all on one Armor?

Not just for "noobs"... I'd place myself in the Powergamer category and I'm happy with these items and the event.
.



alas, this is partly my point, why just not just have the devs drop epic loot out of every chest. ya that makes getting good gear a blast, I really wanna pay to play now.

[Braegan]

I think 4 days is plenty long enough to get some average gear suitable for level 20 charachters .

What is it about other players having this gear that offends you so much . Does your e-nis not look big enough when other players who you arent playing with have nice items too ?

Or are you a little less of a hero if you dont have your massive edge over the newbies when you group with them?

20 Completions is the average current grind. That amount of time grants plenty of chances to land the item you are looking for in chests as well as a list of end rewards populated with raid loot and tomes. It is also that rough amount of time it would take to craft a double shard T3 Greensteel weapon. 20 x 3 = 60. Two months is a fair amount of time to obtain uber loots. Four days is easy button.

I also like how anytime I dispute your posts you try and personally attack and/or discredit me. Throwing a tantrum and name calling only proves you have no valid arguement when faced with logic.

[justplayingthegame]

Ah you dont mind them catching up a bit as long as it takes them four years to do it .

Not to mention
I havent even seen one item in there the min maxers havent declared as average at best .

.



this term min maxers, is it a wow term ?
I find it semi disturbing as a power gamer.

[justplayingthegame]

I think 4 days is plenty long enough to get some average gear suitable for level 20 charachters .

What is it about other players having this gear that offends you so much . Does your e-nis not look big enough when other players who you arent playing with have nice items too ?

Or are you a little less of a hero if you dont have your massive edge over the newbies when you group with them?

how is 4 days acceptable for a 20 toon.

I think i get it though your from wow or some other easy grind game.
this game was fun because it was challenging.
Now it's become an easy button at every corner for people like you who who need loot bones with easy buttons.

[bryanmeerkat]

how is 4 days acceptable for a 20 toon.

I think i get it though your from wow or some other easy grind game.
this game was fun because it was challenging.
Now it's become an easy button at every corner for people like you who who need loot bones with easy buttons.

Wow raids where and are far more difficult than anything i have seen in this game .
You seem to be confusing diffculty with time consuming .

Climbing a mile up a mountain is a lot harder than riding a bike downhill for 100 miles .


this term min maxers, is it a wow term ?
I find it semi disturbing as a power gamer.

Power gamer is also a wow term too and i have seen the term minmaxer many many times on this very forum . I am surprised you have not

[justplayingthegame]

Wow raids where and are far more difficult than anything i have seen in this game .
You seem to be confusing diffculty with time consuming .

Climbing a mile up a mountain is a lot harder than riding a bike downhill for 100 miles .

Power gamer is also a wow term too and i have seen the term minmaxer many many times on this very forum . I am surprised you have not



I'm sure you have all from fellow wow players.

heh heh So I am correct, you are from wow, and need the easy buttons to be happy.

wow raids are as easy as lvling is .
simple game mechanics in wow, , The hard part of raiding in WOW is trying to get all the kids to work together, the raids are easy.

[bryanmeerkat]

I'm sure you have all from fellow wow players.

heh heh So I am correct, you are from wow, and need the easy buttons to be happy.

wow raids are as easy as lvling is .
simple game mechanics in wow, , The hard part of raiding in WOW is trying to get all the kids to work together, the raids are easy.

So you are also from wow then ?

[IronClan]

exactly.
it's were hard work gets ya a kick in the teeth.
LETS DUMB down DDO somemore to accomodate the cash cows.

No not exactly, it's a game, if you are working hard you should probably go get a job and at least earn money for your hard work. Expecting the game to never change, or NEVER have an easier to obtain item be better than one you spent a lot of time to get is absolutely ridiculous... Especially when it's only during "events" that this really happens. You might be best served to find a game where gear never changes and go enjoy that, because you're playing a game that can only ever make you unhappy... If you don't accept that fact, and you still insist on playing, then you deserve the pretty jelousy and irratation you're subjecting yourself to. MMORPG aren't for everyone, people who can't deal with change most especially are unsuited to them.

The truth of the matter is all these Epic event items are sub par or described as "poor mans" (poor mans Chaos blades has been bandied about in multiple threads). You have LEATHER armor, a Small shield, a Dagger, Maul and a Short Sword.

The hat is a hard choice with Minos, and the trinkets are mostly underpowered except the Bold Trinket which is nice if you can get seeker from your Hat or Epic M. Chain, still very good chance you wont be wearing it full time just swapping it in autocrit heavy pick situations.

[Gadget2775]

Like the events and would love to see more of them.

[justplayingthegame]

No not exactly, it's a game, if you are working hard you should probably go get a job and at least earn money for your hard work. Expecting the game to never change, or NEVER have an easier to obtain item be better than one you spent a lot of time to get is absolutely ridiculous...ions.

as i said which you quoted.
turbine is dumbing the game down, and has been since f2p launch.

change is good, if it's a good change.
I can't see where taking the challenge out of the game is good. the first 3.5 years there was constant change in a good way. no where did you find an easy button. good gear isn't something you should just be able to go get.
with your track of thought about hard work get a job make money , this equates to lets put all the gear in the DDO store so snots with more cash then game sense can just buy it.

btw your remark of working hard get a job, *** ?

[bryanmeerkat]

as i said which you quoted.
turbine is dumbing the game down, and has been since f2p launch.

change is good, if it's a good change.
I can't see where taking the challenge out of the game is good. the first 3.5 years there was constant change in a good way. no where did you find an easy button. good gear isn't something you should just be able to go get.
with your track of thought about hard work get a job make money , this equates to lets put all the gear in the DDO store so snots with more cash then game sense can just buy it.

btw your remark of working hard get a job, *** ?

No , what he means is that you shouldnt have to work hard to enjoy a computer game . Your job is for working hard . A computer game should be enjoyable .

Now did you play WoW or not ?

[justplayingthegame]

No , what he means is that you shouldnt have to work hard to enjoy a computer game . Your job is for working hard . A computer game should be enjoyable .

Now did you play WoW or not ?

so he's either one of your sock puppets or your putting words in his mouth.

and to paraphrase what HE said,
there are easy button games out there like wow, and there are more complexe game mechanics like ddo, you want easy play wow, but for those of us that like a challenge please don't dumb ddo down.
one wow is enough.

it's like playing chess you work your way up to master lvl, then try playing at novice lvl.
ZERO fun.

[bryanmeerkat]

so he's either one of your sock puppets or your putting words in his mouth.

and to paraphrase what HE said,
there are easy button games out there like wow, and there are more complexe game mechanics like ddo, you want easy play wow, but for those of us that like a challenge please don't dumb ddo down.
one wow is enough.

it's like playing chess you work your way up to master lvl, then try playing at novice lvl.
ZERO fun.

Have you ever played WoW ?

[hityawithastick]

The event is fun. I am entertained by the kobolds, and even though I only have a level 18 wizzy I've got gear that will let me power through the greensteel grinding once I reach 20.

If you don't like the event, don't play it, and just ignore all the pirate hats. They will go away eventually, as pirates are very fickle creatures. :rolleyes:

[justplayingthegame]

Have you ever played WoW ?

wow .
your like a dog on a bone. let it go bra.

yes I did, i found it boring and full of abnoxious kids. and those were the good players from what was told.

[Maitland]

/not signed

These events are a blast,really love how it
takes team work to complete.
Great work devs,keep it up :)

Bluntt

[bryanmeerkat]

wow .
your like a dog on a bone. let it go bra.

yes I did, i found it boring and full of abnoxious kids. and those were the good players from what was told.

And you genuinely found the raids in that game easier than the raids in this game . Raids in this game generaly being surrond the boss , hit him till hes dead . Meanwhile cleric casts mass heal and if your lucky someone completes a puzzle .

You found that harder than some of the intricate raids in wow . WoW raids where a pain because you had a lot of 40 man stuff but people generally had to be standing in the right place , doing the right thing and couldnt drink infinite pots if you overheal or mistime castings , the raid wipes .

Nothing in DDO comes close to that .

DDO has a far better charachter creation system than WOW but if you build your charachter well the game is very easy compared to WoW .

[hityawithastick]

wow .
your like a dog on a bone. let it go bra.

yes I did, i found it boring and full of abnoxious kids. and those were the good players from what was told.

*obnoxious. :rolleyes:

[justplayingthegame]

And you genuinely found the raids in that game easier than the raids in this game . Raids in this game generaly being surrond the boss , hit him till hes dead . Meanwhile cleric casts mass heal and if your lucky someone completes a puzzle .

You found that harder than some of the intricate raids in wow . WoW raids where a pain because you had a lot of 40 man stuff but people generally had to be standing in the right place , doing the right thing and couldnt drink infinite pots if you overheal or mistime castings , the raid wipes .

Nothing in DDO comes close to that .

.

you see what i mean now.
this is what ddo has become.
it did NOT used to be like this.

[hityawithastick]

And you genuinely found the raids in that game easier than the raids in this game . Raids in this game generaly being surrond the boss , hit him till hes dead . Meanwhile cleric casts mass heal and if your lucky someone completes a puzzle .



Hey, our raids aren't--wait. Yeah, that's about right. It's more interesting if you're a wizard, though...so many choices! :D

[bryanmeerkat]

you see what i mean now.
this is what ddo has become.
it did NOT used to be like this.

Which raid's have been changed ?

[Maegin]

These events are great for the poor man, or those that want a shiney trinket and call it 'epic'. For those that want real power, we have our epic desert.

[Khimberlhyte]

Seriously.
All in all it's just an easy epic bone for the noobs to aquire, which in the end doesn't really satisfy the need for <real> new content, as in a new area.
/signed

How can I aspire to become an elitist in this game if the bar is lowered to the point than people with lives outside of DDO can enjoy good gear? An epic item should require hundreds of hours of grinding - enough time in your day job to buy a decent used car, or pay for a vacation overseas. How can you feel special wearing your epic item, when instead of having one of the only ones on the server, you see even casual gamers running around with them - or worse, people who started playing only a few months ago.

How can the sacrifice of living in mom's basement for the past five years be justified if n00bs can attain gear with epic augment slots after as little as a half dozen hours of grinding? How can one display their pale and sallow complexion with pride, knowing that even people who have time to go outside under the day star can attain gear with a purple hotbar icon?

Why should people be given a chance at epic gear without first committing themselves enough to farm a litany and a skiver on every character, along with multiple double shard greensteel items? Epic gear is supposed to be for epic people, who are devoted enough to keep their Mountain Dew fridge beside the computer, and pee into the empty bottles.

Indeed, this is a terrible change that will ruin the game. Again. Because greensteel already ruined it. Along with F2P, with their demand for easy buttons. I shall have to go seek greener pastures in another game, where I will have the ability to grow an epic-peen which I will then flaunt in the face of those I can look down upon. Or something like that.

[mehlinda]

Since this game is a diversion for a lot of people it is no surprise that everyone always cries for balance. The world is not and should not be balanced. The ones who work the hardest should have the biggest pile at the end of the day. It is completely understandable that people who have been grinding epics for over a year to have one epic chaos blade be upset about people who are utterly clueless getting 2x the near equivalent in one day. That being said, it's a good thing for the masses that people get a taste of something epic. The search to create balance is more the problem to me than anything else. It is not realistic and rewards those who do less rather than more.

[IronClan]

How can the sacrifice of living in mom's basement for the past five years be justified if n00bs can attain gear with epic augment slots after as little as a half dozen hours of grinding? How can one display their pale and sallow complexion with pride, knowing that even people who have time to go outside under the day star can attain gear with a purple hotbar icon?

Well played sir, +1 worthy of a sig quote

[hityawithastick]

/signed

How can I aspire to become an elitist in this game if the bar is lowered to the point than people with lives outside of DDO can enjoy good gear? An epic item should require hundreds of hours of grinding - enough time in your day job to buy a decent used car, or pay for a vacation overseas. How can you feel special wearing your epic item, when instead of having one of the only ones on the server, you see even casual gamers running around with them - or worse, people who started playing only a few months ago.

How can the sacrifice of living in mom's basement for the past five years be justified if n00bs can attain gear with epic augment slots after as little as a half dozen hours of grinding? How can one display their pale and sallow complexion with pride, knowing that even people who have time to go outside under the day star can attain gear with a purple hotbar icon?

Why should people be given a chance at epic gear without first committing themselves enough to farm a litany and a skiver on every character, along with multiple double shard greensteel items? Epic gear is supposed to be for epic people, who are devoted enough to keep their Mountain Dew fridge beside the computer, and pee into the empty bottles.

Indeed, this is a terrible change that will ruin the game. Again. Because greensteel already ruined it. Along with F2P, with their demand for easy buttons. I shall have to go seek greener pastures in another game, where I will have the ability to grow an epic-peen which I will then flaunt in the face of those I can look down upon. Or something like that.

Subtle, with a delicate cherry flavor and hints of lime. Well done, sir. :cool:

[IronClan]

so he's either one of your sock puppets or your putting words in his mouth.


Nope he summed it up just fine, I don't expect anyone should have a hard time understanding:

A) if you can't handle change or new gear, don't play (any) MMO
B) if getting epic gear is "hard work", don't keep doing it... ESPECIALLY if you do it expecting nothing to ever be as good or better.

Personally I have a hard time believing that anyone who's got real epic stuff finds anything in these event items to be extremely compelling.

The shield and the armor are just good enough to get an AC S&B build to think about giving up Dragontouched, Leviks set + set bonus with Sovereign rune of Leviks... But those aren't epic gear, LOL they come from lvl 16 to 18 quests....

So there's an example of two ML20 epic items that just barely displace traditional Paladin AC gear set, and only for a very niche build (S&B Armored AC) that most players running Epics would raise their nose at.

[The-Last-Wolf]

Hi All,

It is pretty obvious this debate has no solution, i.e. the opposing viewpoints are never going to reach a middle ground :).

I'd like to throw a few Mass Heals into the centre area a moment if I may and ask people to consider the following.

To me it seems there are many ways for people to enjoy this game. Two of the most popular appear to be;

1. Create toon, level up, get gear, get to cap. Once at cap work on improving playstyle, personal ability, high end quest/raid tactics and work on getting the best gear combinations to improve your chosen playstyle. This may include TRing for Past life benefits, but the goal once TR'd is to get back to cap quickly to continue on the improvements

2. Create toon, level up, get gear, enjoy the journey. The game is about the progression from 1-20, improving ones ability to run the quests at lvl or higher. Finding new lower level quests, exploring all the options out there, improving playstyle, personal ability, tactics and work on getting the best gear combinations at each level to improve your chosen playstyle. Once you hit cap, either TR or start a new toon.

Both of these (and the myriad of other ways to enjoy this game) are equally valid.

I completely understand players in camp 1, who see events like Mabar and the Cove as somehow invalidating their fun, as a good proportion of fun in this game (and life in general) is in being rightly proud of your achievements and the rewards you have recieved for being good at something. This does not imply anything negative in their character, being able to say to freinds and associates (as in any one you ever pug with) "Finally upgraded my xxxx and look at the shiney on this.....", is being rightly proud of a personal achievement.

If it takes many many hours (months) of gameplay to achieve this, then obviously the last thing you would ever want to hear is someone saying "Nah, I made this in xxxx in like 2 hours" and linking something = or better is going to cause a negative reaction.

Newer players, who aspire to be in camp 1, but who so far have not played long enough or well enough to aquire real end game gear, have an oppourtunity to create some nice lvl 20 gear, that can assist as they progess to being a good Camp 1 style player.

People (like me) who are in camp 2, are not bothered in the slightest by the "Epicness" of items from these events, as we are not going to be spending much time at cap. We play to craft the lvl 4-16 itmes that can help on the journey from 1-20.

I think the devs have done very well on these events, in providing fun challenges that can reinvigorate the player base and that appealed to the largest audiences possible, which has to be what they strive for.

Is there a middle ground, where we who like the events can say "We understand the reasons you are upset" and you who don't can say "We understand the need for them"?

Regards
Wolf

[EustaceTrevelyan]

/not signed not that it matters; Turbine will keep thinking up new events because they're fun, and bring people into the game.

And haven't people been complaining about how hard it is to get into a raid, and how much grind is required to get epic and gs? Seems a stopgap is just what the doctor ordered.

[justplayingthegame]

/signed

I shall have to go seek greener pastures in another game, .

<insert irony>
Pretty much. been watching the good players leave for some time now.
and more will be going to rift as it launch's the first.

[Khimberlhyte]

<insert irony>
Pretty much. been watching the good players leave for some time now.
and more will be going to rift as it launch's the first.
And if it wasn't Rift, it would be some other game instead. Most of them will leave Rift too, after the novelty wears off, which will take anywhere from months to years. They'll head off to Guildwars, or whatever the next big thing is, that appears to be new and refreshing instead of familiar and boring.

MMOs are all hamster wheels that people want to get off eventually. Some are just more cunningly disguised than others.

[locus]

Power gamer is also a wow term too
It's not, and neither is min maxer, or a lot of terms people associate with WoW. Most of these (that is, termed attributed to Warcraft) can be traced back to EQ, and some of them can be traced back to UO (and there were other major MMOs at the time of both of those, but the general playerbase was the same through those three games). It gets a bit tiresome encountering players whose first exposure to MMOs was Warcraft (or perhaps Runescape -> WoW) and then acting like it's this big font of innovation. *rambles* ;)



The truth of the matter is all these Epic event items are sub par or described as "poor mans" (poor mans Chaos blades has been bandied about in multiple threads). You have LEATHER armor, a Small shield, a Dagger, Maul and a Short Sword.

Pfft. Leather armor. Real players only wear tights!


And if it wasn't Rift, it would be some other game instead. Most of them will leave Rift too, after the novelty wears off, which will take anywhere from months to years. They'll head off to Guildwars, or whatever the next big thing is, that appears to be new and refreshing instead of familiar and boring.

MMOs are all hamster wheels that people want to get off eventually. Some are just more cunningly disguised than others.
Yep. Always something new to hype, some this game killer or that game killer, blah blah blah :)


<insert irony>
Pretty much. been watching the good players leave for some time now.
and more will be going to rift as it launch's the first.
Oh hey! I have a game for you to go try. Go and report back how that one is.... eventually.

[SardaofChaos]

Since this game is a diversion for a lot of people it is no surprise that everyone always cries for balance. The world is not and should not be balanced. The ones who work the hardest should have the biggest pile at the end of the day. It is completely understandable that people who have been grinding epics for over a year to have one epic chaos blade be upset about people who are utterly clueless getting 2x the near equivalent in one day. That being said, it's a good thing for the masses that people get a taste of something epic. The search to create balance is more the problem to me than anything else. It is not realistic and rewards those who do less rather than more.

But see, the problem with the balance argument in this case is that it's entirely false. There is no difference in difficulty between epic cove and epic quests on average. There are some epic quests that are harder and there are quite a few that are mind-numbingly grindy but much easier. Epic cove requires teamwork and keeping a system going, which is more than you can say for even most of the desert quests. The real difference between these items and the normal epic items is that it takes more time to get the normal ones, mostly because of the entirely random factor involved in getting even 1/4 of the required items to make one.

Also, creating one epic cove item requires a total of 2200 green dragonshards. That is at least 8 runs, where a maxed 25 run will give you 300. Utterly clueless people will, assuming they actually managed to clueless their way to 20, will participate in 1, maybe 2 runs before being dropped.

Tl;dr: more grind != more difficult.

[Drona]

/not signed

I cannot understand this logic: "I spent thousands for hours for an epic item, now it is easy so the event should be stopped/no future events".

This is like saying: "I spent years to become a manager, so a new kid who has MBA should not be paid more than me or become a manager immediately"

sorry sir, life is not fair.

[hityawithastick]

life is not fair.

OP. This. :cool:

[Drakos]

/not signed (for the most part)

I'm sorry but I actually like the events somewha. Mabar was not as fun as it could be, but I do like the Crystal Cove mission. What I like about it is that it isn't only 1) Bash, 2) Bash, 3) bash, and 4) Profit. At least this requires some strategy and coordination/cooperation to get the best rewards.

I see your point about the easily obtained Epic gear, at least for the Mabar it required Epic Tokens for the level 20 upgrade, here you get to go epic without ever entering an epic quest. You will still need to grind epic tokens for the Epic Gem slots, but I see the point here. I still don't think that they should stop the events for this one issue though. I'd still happily play the event without the uber gear, because it beats another round of "stand in a circle and beat down one boss" routine.

I also would like new content, in fact I rather enjoy the Lordsmarch quests, but I don't have a problem with the events.

[IronClan]

It's not, and neither is min maxer, or a lot of terms people associate with WoW. Most of these (that is, termed attributed to Warcraft) can be traced back to EQ, and some of them can be traced back to UO (and there were other major MMOs at the time of both of those, but the general playerbase was the same through those three games). It gets a bit tiresome encountering players whose first exposure to MMOs was Warcraft (or perhaps Runescape -> WoW) and then acting like it's this big font of innovation. *rambles* ;)

I agree with your point, but just to nit pick the term min/maxer was born somewhere between 1974 and the early 80's P&P D&D where I first heard it, along with most other RPG terms we use. Powergamer predates MMO's as well :)

[Impatiens]

how is 4 days acceptable for a 20 toon.

I think i get it though your from wow or some other easy grind game.
this game was fun because it was challenging.
Now it's become an easy button at every corner for people like you who who need loot bones with easy buttons.

Seriously, let's not turn this into a WoW versus DDO thread. They are different games, but they are both good games. WoW is not any more of an easy grind for the really good items than DDO is. WoW's raids really are much more difficult than DDO's. DDO has, on average, more interesting and challenging quests than WoW though and their character creation system is much more compelling. In DDO pretty much anyone who gets to max level will be able to do the raids and succeed at them. This is definitely not the case in WoW.

I've pretty much said everything I wanted to about the event earlier in this thread. It's a good event. It's a fun event. It's great that people who play on a more casual basis will have the opportunity to get some really nice items to improve their characters. If they upgrade those items to tier 3 that will likely also make them more interested in running epic content since they'll need to do that to get their augment crystals. It is not a bad thing to suddenly let people get a few pieces of gear without having to run a raid 20 times to do it. Sometimes 20 times isn't even enough (I'm looking at you Litany of the Dead) and that is frustrating. You know what I did when I didn't get Litany even on my 20th Abbot run? I quit the game for a year. Gear is the carrot on the stick that makes people keep playing. If you never let them have a taste of that carrot though they are just going to stop. It isn't as if this event allows people to suddenly equip every single gear slot with an epic item. If they want to make all the rest of their gear as nice as their shiny new items they will have to run epics and raids too, just like you, and that is a good thing. Encouraging more people to run endgame content will make this game survive and thrive.

[Fallout]

Seriously, let's not turn this into a WoW versus DDO thread. They are different games, but they are both good games. WoW is not any more of an easy grind for the really good items than DDO is. WoW's raids really are much more difficult than DDO's. DDO has, on average, more interesting and challenging quests than WoW though and their character creation system is much more compelling. In DDO pretty much anyone who gets to max level will be able to do the raids and succeed at them. This is definitely not the case in WoW.

I've pretty much said everything I wanted to about the event earlier in this thread. It's a good event. It's a fun event. It's great that people who play on a more casual basis will have the opportunity to get some really nice items to improve their characters. If they upgrade those items to tier 3 that will likely also make them more interested in running epic content since they'll need to do that to get their augment crystals. It is not a bad thing to suddenly let people get a few pieces of gear without having to run a raid 20 times to do it. Sometimes 20 times isn't even enough (I'm looking at you Litany of the Dead) and that is frustrating. You know what I did when I didn't get Litany even on my 20th Abbot run? I quit the game for a year. Gear is the carrot on the stick that makes people keep playing. If you never let them have a taste of that carrot though they are just going to stop. It isn't as if this event allows people to suddenly equip every single gear slot with an epic item. If they want to make all the rest of their gear as nice as their shiny new items they will have to run epics and raids too, just like you, and that is a good thing. Encouraging more people to run endgame content will make this game survive and thrive.

Excellent point. I came back in Jan, took two long breaks and last break was when level cap was still 16. Now there's epics. But it takes alot of time to farm epics. At this rate, I might not be able to craft any epics till end of year maybe. This events allows people to get some nice items. Also as a promotion to get people to play. Now my new L20 chars have decent gear, rather than two year old outdated items.

[Invalid_50]

Epic gear is supposed to be for epic people, who are devoted enough to keep their Mountain Dew fridge beside the computer, and pee into the empty bottles.



epic people also wear purple hats...always

[Delt]

Epic gear is supposed to be for epic people, who are devoted enough to keep their Mountain Dew fridge beside the computer, and pee into the empty bottles.

The truely epic players don't need bottles, they just go.

Plastic wrapped chairs and disposable carpet for the win.

[Khimberlhyte]

epic people also wear purple hats...always
Oddly enough, the first thing I did for my purple WF wiz in this event was to dye his Admiral's tricorn purple, to match his body colour. I didn't feel any more epic, but then I wore my Minos throughout the event because I couldn't be bothered to swap gear around.

[Tom318]

It is not realistic and rewards those who do less rather than more.

I don't see how it is not "realistic" that people who do less are rewarded more. If you are a trust fund kid, don't you do less (and are rewarded more) than the person who clears the trash every day?

[Malithar45]

Bypassed this thread originally, thought it was dumb.

Just read it. How has it not been locked? lol

[Ungood]

/ibl!

[TigrisMorte]

Seriously.
All in all it's just an easy epic bone for the noobs to aquire, which in the end doesn't really satisfy the need for <real> new content, as in a new area.

I feel your pain!
Someone did something and got something that effects you in no way what so ever.
Oh, The humanity! How you have suffered! Could a forgiving deity allow such to occur!

OH NOES!!! DDODOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!
:p