Iwinbyrollup
02-23-2011, 10:21 AM
I've been working a lot with my 15 Acrobat (my first rogue to make it past level 5) recently and I'm really getting a kick out of playing her. Being immune to knockdown and slippery surfaces is just amazing, I love my attack speed with quarterstaves, haste boost, and haste, and the DPS is excellent. I also picked up Sap as a feat, which is awesome when I remember to use it--I'm still getting the hang of it but I brought it out regularly in a Tor run recently where I'd leap over the melee mobs, run up to casters, Sap them, then turn around and trash the melees. Really helpful for some CC.
I'm just thinking of ways to improve the build. In particular, I'm wondering about whether or not I should keep the THF line. I play in small parties frequently, and while I've gotten the hang of getting other party members to pick up aggro on first sight, I often end up taking aggro from groups of mobs who haven't been hit yet due to glancing blows. How much would I be hurting my DPS by dropping THF?
In terms of what to replace it with...well, I went with a weird flavor-ish build. It's planned as Half-elf 20 Rogue with Paladin Dilettante, which I like for the improved saves. I nicknamed it the BSer build (most of my characters have silly build nicknames), as my image here is of a rogue using their charisma to BS their way out of trouble. The first thing that comes to mind as useful to switch in would be Force of Personality, which would probably boost my Will save by another 5. I'd also consider TRing this character, at which point I'd be wanting to take Sneak of Shadows so I'll have to lose something for that.
Anyway, my current feats are
(1) Half-elf Dilettante: Paladin
(1) Toughness
(3) Two Handed Fighting
(6) Power Attack
(9) Sap
(10) Improved Evasion
(12) Improved Critical: Bludgeon
(13) Crippling Strike
(15) Improved Two Handed Fighting
(16) Opportunist
(18) Greater Two Handed Fighting
(19) Slippery Mind
And the build looks something like the following (NOTE: This isn't the exact build; I started with 12 Charisma, used a +2 tome at level 7, and then switched the Dilettante feat. I couldn't figure out how to represent this on the build planner so I went ahead and gave it a Sorcerer TR to get two extra build points, which I stuck in Charisma, and then just left out the +2 tome.). On an actual second life, I'd consider dropping Dex by two, and then using those four build points along with the two extra build points to max Strength (or drop Dex by one and dump Int). Also, the enhancements are split up into what I currently have and what I'm considering taking.
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.0
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)
Cylanna Stormgull
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 252
Spell Points: 20
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 18
Will: 8
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 24
Dexterity 16 19
Constitution 14 17
Intelligence 10 14
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 14 14
Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 30
Bluff 2 2
Concentration 2 3
Diplomacy 6 25
Disable Device 4 25
Haggle 2 8
Heal -1 0
Hide 3 10
Intimidate 2 2
Jump 3 17
Listen -1 0
Move Silently 3 19
Open Lock 7 27
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 2
Search 4 25
Spot 3 23
Swim 3 7
Tumble 7 16
Use Magic Device 6 25
Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Level 2 (Rogue)
Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Level 4 (Rogue)
Level 5 (Rogue)
Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 7 (Rogue)
Level 8 (Rogue)
Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Sap
Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Level 11 (Rogue)
Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Level 14 (Rogue)
Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Level 17 (Rogue)
Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
I'm just thinking of ways to improve the build. In particular, I'm wondering about whether or not I should keep the THF line. I play in small parties frequently, and while I've gotten the hang of getting other party members to pick up aggro on first sight, I often end up taking aggro from groups of mobs who haven't been hit yet due to glancing blows. How much would I be hurting my DPS by dropping THF?
In terms of what to replace it with...well, I went with a weird flavor-ish build. It's planned as Half-elf 20 Rogue with Paladin Dilettante, which I like for the improved saves. I nicknamed it the BSer build (most of my characters have silly build nicknames), as my image here is of a rogue using their charisma to BS their way out of trouble. The first thing that comes to mind as useful to switch in would be Force of Personality, which would probably boost my Will save by another 5. I'd also consider TRing this character, at which point I'd be wanting to take Sneak of Shadows so I'll have to lose something for that.
Anyway, my current feats are
(1) Half-elf Dilettante: Paladin
(1) Toughness
(3) Two Handed Fighting
(6) Power Attack
(9) Sap
(10) Improved Evasion
(12) Improved Critical: Bludgeon
(13) Crippling Strike
(15) Improved Two Handed Fighting
(16) Opportunist
(18) Greater Two Handed Fighting
(19) Slippery Mind
And the build looks something like the following (NOTE: This isn't the exact build; I started with 12 Charisma, used a +2 tome at level 7, and then switched the Dilettante feat. I couldn't figure out how to represent this on the build planner so I went ahead and gave it a Sorcerer TR to get two extra build points, which I stuck in Charisma, and then just left out the +2 tome.). On an actual second life, I'd consider dropping Dex by two, and then using those four build points along with the two extra build points to max Strength (or drop Dex by one and dump Int). Also, the enhancements are split up into what I currently have and what I'm considering taking.
Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.0
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)
Cylanna Stormgull
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 252
Spell Points: 20
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 18
Will: 8
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 24
Dexterity 16 19
Constitution 14 17
Intelligence 10 14
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 14 14
Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 30
Bluff 2 2
Concentration 2 3
Diplomacy 6 25
Disable Device 4 25
Haggle 2 8
Heal -1 0
Hide 3 10
Intimidate 2 2
Jump 3 17
Listen -1 0
Move Silently 3 19
Open Lock 7 27
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 2
Search 4 25
Spot 3 23
Swim 3 7
Tumble 7 16
Use Magic Device 6 25
Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Level 2 (Rogue)
Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Level 4 (Rogue)
Level 5 (Rogue)
Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Level 7 (Rogue)
Level 8 (Rogue)
Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Sap
Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Level 11 (Rogue)
Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Level 14 (Rogue)
Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Level 17 (Rogue)
Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II