If you don't know the way, why are you running around randomly?

[LordDamax]

Seriously people - if you don't know the way, SAY SOMETHING.

Twice in 3 days now I've run a GH quest (Crucible, and PoP), we're already inside, and someone joined the group. We're waiting on him, watching his HP bar go down.

"Dude, you know the way?"

Silence.

/p Dude, you know the way?
(party): [Party] Dude, you know the way?

Silence.

Ding.

Dead player: "No, I dont know the way."

Obviously.

Other player not yet in the quest: "I'll come grab you."

Dead: "I released already."

Other player "*sigh* Ok I'll recall and run you out here."

Dead: "I'll be a minute, I'm bound in Meridia and I need to run back."

If you dont know where the quest is, WHY would you randomly run around an explorer area just hoping you'll run into it by chance? Say something? Please?

You look more like a fool for dying then having to be run out than if you just said "Never ran this before can someone show me the way?"

Ugh.

[NaturalHazard]

Seriously people - if you don't know the way, SAY SOMETHING.

Twice in 3 days now I've run a GH quest (Crucible, and PoP) and someone joined the group. We're waiting on him, watching his HP bar go down.

"Dude, you know the way?"

Silence.

/p Dude, you know the way?
(party): [Party] Dude, you know the way?

Silence.

Ding.

Dead player: "No, I dont know the way."

Other player not yet in the quest: "I'll come grab you."

Dead: "I released already."

Other player "*sigh* Ok I'll recall and run you out here."

Dead: "I'll be a minute, I'm bound in Meridia and I need to run back."

If you dont know where the quest is, WHY would you randomly run around an explorer area just hoping you'll run into it by chance? Say something? Please?

You look more like a fool for dying then having to be run out than if you just said "Never ran this before can someone show me the way?"

Ugh.

hes bound in meridia and is dying to explorer mobs in gh? what level was this fool?

[stoopid_cowboy]

hes bound in meridia and is dying to explorer mobs in gh? what level was this fool?

Probably level 13 trying to get Shroud flagged. :D

yuda

[oldkraft]

Maybe he is from a guild- or game-experience,
where instant-dismissal-no-comment IS the norm reaction
to unknown pugsters not knowing ways ?
So thats the way he knows .. ?

also, one can easily die from trying to answer tells and chat ....

[HackSlashKill]

Here are a couple of solutions to your problem:

1) In your LFM, put Know your way to quest. Yes, it sounds simple because it is. You maynot like having to put it there: however, this would save you future frustration.

2) Have everyone recall out and reform and drop the noob. Obviously, he wasn't responding to you until he was dead, which shows he's not a great communicator. I don't mind people not knowing the quest but I hate non communicators.

3) Build a fvs or monk and solo the quest :)

[Bloodstealer]

Probably level 13 trying to get Shroud flagged. :D

yuda

And this is wrong for what reason... its not difficult,maybe try it sometme rather waiting till your lvl 17-20 so you can feel all powerful against a few spideys and devils etc.
When cap was Lvl 16 shroud flagging and running at 14-15 was common place.

As for running round like a headless chicken in an explorer area the player doesn't know.. then yeah agree....stupidity, idiocy and sheer noobidity :D

[Terebinthia]

My toons all used to go get bound in Meridia at 12 or so, until the advent of the airship. Now I park them in the 12 as the spirit binder there is the closest to an airship entrance and it's super quick to run through and get buffs. Not my idea, a guildie put it forward as a suggestion, but it works very well.

[Blank_Zero]

And this is wrong for what reason... its not difficult,maybe try it sometme rather waiting till your lvl 17-20 so you can feel all powerful against a few spideys and devils etc.
When cap was Lvl 16 shroud flagging and running at 14-15 was common place.

As for running round like a headless chicken in an explorer area the player doesn't know.. then yeah agree....stupidity, idiocy and sheer noobidity :D

If there was actually decent content in that level range, my TR would be running shroud already :p

I don't like it when people join late period for my pugs.... once I've started, I take down the lfm. I've died from that little window popping up in the middle of my screen :o

[Tom318]

Seriously people - if you don't know the way, SAY SOMETHING.

Twice in 3 days now I've run a GH quest (Crucible, and PoP), we're already inside, and someone joined the group. We're waiting on him, watching his HP bar go down.

"Dude, you know the way?"

Silence.

/p Dude, you know the way?
(party): [Party] Dude, you know the way?

Silence.

Ding.

Dead player: "No, I dont know the way."

Obviously.

Other player not yet in the quest: "I'll come grab you."

Dead: "I released already."

Other player "*sigh* Ok I'll recall and run you out here."

Dead: "I'll be a minute, I'm bound in Meridia and I need to run back."

If you dont know where the quest is, WHY would you randomly run around an explorer area just hoping you'll run into it by chance? Say something? Please?

You look more like a fool for dying then having to be run out than if you just said "Never ran this before can someone show me the way?"

Ugh.

Maybe he's just worried that the quest will be finished before he gets there.. it happens :)

[Nysrock]

Here are a couple of solutions to your problem:

1) In your LFM, put Know your way to quest. Yes, it sounds simple because it is. You maynot like having to put it there: however, this would save you future frustration.

2) Have everyone recall out and reform and drop the noob. Obviously, he wasn't responding to you until he was dead, which shows he's not a great communicator. I don't mind people not knowing the quest but I hate non communicators.

3) Build a fvs or monk and solo the quest :)

While I have and use voice chat I know not everybody else has a mic. Yes he should have said something BEFORE running into GH but once he did it was probably quite impossible for him to stop and type with a mob running after him.

As for putting it into your LFM? I don't how many rants I have read here about people NOT reading the LFMs.

Really the easiest solution (and yes it bugs me to have to do it too) is to ask people right after they join if they know the quest and how to get to it.

[NaturalHazard]

And this is wrong for what reason... its not difficult,maybe try it sometme rather waiting till your lvl 17-20 so you can feel all powerful against a few spideys and devils etc.
When cap was Lvl 16 shroud flagging and running at 14-15 was common place.

As for running round like a headless chicken in an explorer area the player doesn't know.. then yeah agree....stupidity, idiocy and sheer noobidity :D

I started shroud flagging at level 13 on my first toon i was almost level 16 by the time I was flagged. Or was it 16? its just that I never had any problems running around gh at level 13 or even lower in the explorer area with any of my toons. But I guess a lot depends on your build as all of my toons had self healing so yeah. I guess you could get distracted and fall in some lava or something?

[simsiim]

I could have understood the player getting dead before the quest, if it was their first time ever in the area. They could not have known it was that dangerous, but then again they would or should have been in enough explorer areas to know they're going to run into something

I'm not familiar with the area, don't even own GH yet, So I know I would had mentioned it was my first time in GH, But that's me


Seriously people - if you don't know the way, SAY SOMETHING.

Ugh.
So it still would have been okay if they did say something ? and waited for a guide ? or would you had said, "sorry, need players that know the way to the quest" and press the Dismiss button :(



1) In your LFM, put Know your way to quest. Yes, it sounds simple because it is. You maynot like having to put it there: however, this would save you future frustration.

yeah that does sound like a simple solution, Hopefully the player looking for such a group does not read into that wrong (this first timer) and sends a tell before joining asking if it's okay if they don't.

[Dolphious]

Maybe he is from a guild- or game-experience,
where instant-dismissal-no-comment IS the norm reaction
to unknown pugsters not knowing ways ?
So thats the way he knows .. ?

also, one can easily die from trying to answer tells and chat ....

This.
Now I would have just said I'm new and let the cards fall as they may, but I can definitely understand the motivations for not doing so. The most common responses in this game to saying it's your first time are: summary dismissal, harassment & dismissal or harassment throughout the quest. Occasionally you meet a really cool vet, but generally the outright hostility to all things newb in this game is astonishing.

I can definitely understand deciding to break out a map from the wiki and trying to find you way rather than get berated and/or dismissed in standard PUG fashion. The idea that someone might recall out of the dungeon and help them find the quest probably didn't even occur to them. And for good reason, I've seen something like that happen (for a non guildie or friend) maybe once or twice ever (and I've done a lot of puging). And even on those few occasions there was an almost comical amount of fanfare about what a saintly thing the vet was doing.

Maybe if you all saw newbs as an opportunity to meet a new fun person, rather than just an opportunity to write some "Noobs are stupid, lol" forum post for other jaded vets, you would get better responses from them.

[Terebinthia]

This.
Now I would have just said I'm new and let the cards fall as they may, but I can definitely understand the motivations for not doing so. The most common responses in this game to saying it's your first time are: summary dismissal, harassment & dismissal or harassment throughout the quest. Occasionally you meet a really cool vet, but generally the outright hostility to all things newb in this game is astonishing.

I can definitely understand deciding to break out a map from the wiki and trying to find you way rather than get berated and/or dismissed in standard PUG fashion. The idea that someone might recall out of the dungeon and help them find the quest probably didn't even occur to them. And for good reason, I've seen something like that happen (for a non guildie or friend) maybe once or twice ever (and I've done a lot of puging). And even on those few occasions there was an almost comical amount of fanfare about what a saintly thing the vet was doing.

Maybe if you all saw newbs as an opportunity to meet a new fun person, rather than just an opportunity to write some "Noobs are stupid, lol" forum post for other jaded vets, you would get better responses from them.

See, my experience with this is completely different. If I'm not joining a zerg / know it / BYOH / IP type LFM, and it's not a quest I know, I've not ever had an issue with abuse / hassle / beration. Occasionally I've had a polite "prefer someone who's run it before" response to the tell I've sent explaining this, but 95% of the time I've been invited on in. Ditto with raids. And I play on Khyber, the cranky pants server :D

What makes me irked is when people are explicitly asked if it's their first time, particularly in a raid, and the new people do not speak up. Had a horrible horrible cleric pull that one in a PUG shroud the other night and it was irritating, to say the least.

[azrael4h]

See, my experience with this is completely different. If I'm not joining a zerg / know it / BYOH / IP type LFM, and it's not a quest I know, I've not ever had an issue with abuse / hassle / beration. Occasionally I've had a polite "prefer someone who's run it before" response to the tell I've sent explaining this, but 95% of the time I've been invited on in. Ditto with raids. And I play on Khyber, the cranky pants server :D

What makes me irked is when people are explicitly asked if it's their first time, particularly in a raid, and the new people do not speak up. Had a horrible horrible cleric pull that one in a PUG shroud the other night and it was irritating, to say the least.

I haven't seen this either. I've heard of it, but never seen anyone kicked for not knowing a quest, either myself or another. But then I won't join an in progress run or a zerg run. BYOH is fine, my characters all self-heal to one degree or another.

[varusso]

Or here's a thought. when someone joins your group, ask them if they know the way. If you use voice chat, ask in VC first. This also establishes if they are a VC player. If you get no response, ask in party chat. Telling people to know they way is very....elitist. Plenty of good players out there who are beneficial to the party who simply are new to the area or bad with directions, and many people are embarrassed to admit to either, because of the very attitude that such LFM notes imply.

If you don't want to be the guy that helps the newbie learn....well ok thats your choice, and not everyone is good at being the nice guy. But remember: **EVERYONE** was a newb at some point, including you. Keep that in mind when you are being a jerk to the player who doesn't know a quest. And yes, you ARE being a jerk in the eyes of the guy who needs help getting to the quest.

[Enoach]

hmmm,

I've never kicked someone new to game/quest just because they are new. Maybe its more because I see it like being able to re-live my first time with the awe and excitement of not knowing what lies beyond the next door.

However, I have dismissed someone that became abusive to other party members before we even entered the quest. I'm here to have fun, I'm not playing a GAME to stroke others egos.

[Roman]

I think that if someone doesnt know the way they should be able to use a 1TP cookie to teleport themselves to the rest of the group, but after doing so will be forced to wear a pink tutu of shame for 60 minutes.

[MrWizard]

elite vision run the other day...first few people that joined came to us (we went in early to get the runes and levers).

this one guy...who was with us...right next to us...jumped down, ran around to a good alert by the runes, opened up a door down there and ran into there all red alerting..

calls out..comes back in...goes through first portal, goes right instead of left and grabs a ton of mobs running way into the wrong direction.

Finally I had to ask if he knew what he was doing. He said no, called out, dropped group.

never said a word, just kept running and opening doors and just grabbing more mobs.

Two more joined who had no idea how to get there, knew nothing about the quest, and died jumping down without featherfall on the first jump.
I asked them why they would join an elite raid run if they never ran the quest before. They dropped group.

sigh.

[GunboatDiplomat]

These all sound like things I might do if I was drunk. I might then pretend I didn't where I was going in order to cover up my drunken incompetence...*

Perhaps he had one sherry too many!




*don't forget to invite me to your raid groups....

[Alexkawasaki7]

If you don't have a Mic, build your characters with more con! =]


Maybe he is from a guild- or game-experience,
where instant-dismissal-no-comment IS the norm reaction
to unknown pugsters not knowing ways ?
So thats the way he knows .. ?

also, one can easily die from trying to answer tells and chat ....

[flynnjsw]

Or here's a thought. when someone joins your group, ask them if they know the way. If you use voice chat, ask in VC first. This also establishes if they are a VC player. If you get no response, ask in party chat. Telling people to know they way is very....elitist. Plenty of good players out there who are beneficial to the party who simply are new to the area or bad with directions, and many people are embarrassed to admit to either, because of the very attitude that such LFM notes imply.

If you don't want to be the guy that helps the newbie learn....well ok thats your choice, and not everyone is good at being the nice guy. But remember: **EVERYONE** was a newb at some point, including you. Keep that in mind when you are being a jerk to the player who doesn't know a quest. And yes, you ARE being a jerk in the eyes of the guy who needs help getting to the quest.

You might want to actually read the OP before throwing around insults.

[ladyofevilness]

hmmm,

I've never kicked someone new to game/quest just because they are new. Maybe its more because I see it like being able to re-live my first time with the awe and excitement of not knowing what lies beyond the next door.

However, I have dismissed someone that became abusive to other party members before we even entered the quest. I'm here to have fun, I'm not playing a GAME to stroke others egos.

I agree I have lead noobs around many times in the flagging quests, even when I didn't need them. Because I know there are people out there that will drop them as soon as they think there noobs. Which makes it hard to play.

[varusso]

You might want to actually read the OP before throwing around insults.

You should try reading MY post before commenting upon it. I didnt throw an insult. I made an observation on the perception of a newbie toward the elitist attitude that predominates the LFMs these days.

[LordDamax]

While I have and use voice chat I know not everybody else has a mic. Yes he should have said something BEFORE running into GH but once he did it was probably quite impossible for him to stop and type with a mob running after him.

Except, after he died, over voice, he said "No I dont know the way".

I pretty much said that in the OP.

[Daggertooth]

Either be a good leader and create a conducive atmosphere by asking if anyone needs help or leave them to die without a word and finish the quest without them. All 'do you know the way' over the mic does is create more uneeded forum drama.

[Ungood]

to be fair.. I have died knowing the way.. just saying.

Knowing where to go, and getting there, are not the same. Sometimes those pesky mobs get in the way at the worst times.

But agreed. I mean, over VC too! come on!

I could understand if it was text and he did not want to stop to have to type but that is an inexcusable antic when you have VC.

[Calebro]

If there was actually decent content in that level range, my TR would be running shroud already :p

I don't like it when people join late period for my pugs.... once I've started, I take down the lfm. I've died from that little window popping up in the middle of my screen :o

Detach the window.
You know the button that you hit on the party creation screen that opens the party for view on the LFM? Right next to it is a button that detaches the window underneath that allows you to view all applicants.
Detach the window and resize it so it isn't as obtrusive.
Whenever someone wants to join, you don't get a pop-up, because you already have one with the window. It also shows class breakdown, race, and guild, so you can tell at a glance if it's someone that needs a decline, which allows you to continue questing.

[Terebinthia]

Had an absolute classic last night with DQ1. I'd been finishing off a Prey run so my raid partner started it off, got the second group organised etc. etc. Result being they were mostly complete by the time I get in group. Monk joins shortly after me.

Do the "talk to the djinni twice" spiel because goodness knows I've done that a couple of times and it's very irritating.

Zone out, monk is just behind me. Says nothing. Head to quest, can see the dot behind me when I zone in so assume he's just behind. All the time saying nothing.

We are right at the second fight with Lailat. We wait for a good 5 / 10 mins. Polite things said over mic, in party chat. No response to any of them.

Then we see him loot somewhere.

I say "hey, monk, why are you looting somewhere, there's no loot on the way to Lailat"

We get "oh, lol, don't know the way, sorry!". Because at that point he knew he couldn't bluff any more.

So, it's oh lol, for making us wait, when he was RIGHT BEHIND someone running to the quest when zoning in and if he'd actually said something I'd have waited for him and run him out there with no issue whatsoever.

We completed and dropped him quick smart. He was "oh lol" about that, too. No apologies for wasting anyone's time.

And that's why I get irritated when people don't say they don't know the way. It's a basic assumption that my time doesn't matter. Which, when I'm in a raid train for the evening, is not the case.

[elujin]

people shoudn't be scared of telling people there new i never got kicked from a run for that .
first step would be not join byoh or know the way lfms thos are people who ran the quest close too 1000 times and /or don't have time to waste.

reminds me of my first hox run as a bard yesterday .

i told the leader i been to the q before but not as a bard yet.

leader : np evrything will be explained .
me : oh ok good :)
leader : your a warchanter right
me : no i am a virtuoso :(
leader : oh thats ok just don't tell anyone :p

i even had to ask for remove disease in the subterain cous noob me sold of my remove pots but as long as you arn't demanding about it and know you should normly bring pots if you can help it people will help you .

moral of the story don't be intimidated by vets there helpfull people generaly :D

[flynnjsw]

You should try reading MY post before commenting upon it. I didnt throw an insult. I made an observation on the perception of a newbie toward the elitist attitude that predominates the LFMs these days.


Or here's a thought. when someone joins your group, ask them if they know the way. If you use voice chat, ask in VC first. This also establishes if they are a VC player. If you get no response, ask in party chat. Telling people to know they way is very....elitist. Plenty of good players out there who are beneficial to the party who simply are new to the area or bad with directions, and many people are embarrassed to admit to either, because of the very attitude that such LFM notes imply.

If you don't want to be the guy that helps the newbie learn....well ok thats your choice, and not everyone is good at being the nice guy. But remember: **EVERYONE** was a newb at some point, including you. Keep that in mind when you are being a jerk to the player who doesn't know a quest. And yes, you ARE being a jerk in the eyes of the guy who needs help getting to the quest.


You know you're right. Calling someone a jerk because of YOUR perception couldn't be throwing an insult could it?

[little_me]

hes bound in meridia and is dying to explorer mobs in gh? what level was this fool?

as far as i see, said "fool" might have had bit less balance than optimal. you know those lions on way to pop? in groups, they like tripping and it ends up as permanent state of being quite easily.

well, unless one has 30% striding item or permanent haste, you can't really "outrun" them.

[Failedlegend]

Seriously people - if you don't know the way, SAY SOMETHING.


I hate to say it but there is a valid reason why people tend not to ask. DDO has a large percentage of the player base that will insta-kick people for asking a question like that so it's been ingrained into players (especially new players) that asking questions is a social faux-paw in DDO-land. Along with expecting clerics etc. to heal, asking share please for a quest (which would also assist in finding it), asking pretty much anything really. Oh and being a barbarian that can't self-heal almost as well as a Cleric.

[LordDamax]

I hate to say it but there is a valid reason why people tend not to ask. DDO has a large percentage of the player base that will insta-kick people for asking a question like that so it's been ingrained into players (especially new players) that asking questions is a social faux-paw in DDO-land. Along with expecting clerics etc. to heal, asking share please for a quest (which would also assist in finding it), asking pretty much anything really. Oh and being a barbarian that can't self-heal almost as well as a Cleric.

Whats worse?

Possible insta kick and you go do something else?

Or:

**** near gaurenteed death, **** off the group, and delay 5 other people?

Really? So the better option is to stay quiet, absolutely NOT make it into the quest, die, **** off 5 others and be kicked ANYWAY, instead of risking a possible insta kick? If the group is the type to insta-kick you, then they are absolutely the type to kick and blacklist you for your stupidity.

[Dandonk]

They're just practising holistic navigation: They run around randomly until they find a mob that looks like it knows where it's going and tag along.

Of course, since most mobs run towards them, this is generally counterproductive, but who knows, if they try long enough they might end up in the right place.

[Xithos]

Or here's a thought. when someone joins your group, ask them if they know the way. If you use voice chat, ask in VC first. This also establishes if they are a VC player. If you get no response, ask in party chat. Telling people to know they way is very....elitist. Plenty of good players out there who are beneficial to the party who simply are new to the area or bad with directions, and many people are embarrassed to admit to either, because of the very attitude that such LFM notes imply.

If you don't want to be the guy that helps the newbie learn....well ok thats your choice, and not everyone is good at being the nice guy. But remember: **EVERYONE** was a newb at some point, including you. Keep that in mind when you are being a jerk to the player who doesn't know a quest. And yes, you ARE being a jerk in the eyes of the guy who needs help getting to the quest.

Everyone was a newb at one point, but not everyone is a "noob." If someone joins an LFM without knowing how to get to the quest and doesn't bother to ask that makes them a "noob." There is a wealth of information out there via the DDOwiki and the forums at the disposal of newbs including maps and guides. The other group members volunteering to help the guy to the quest after he proved himself a complete noob was pretty nice if you ask me.

[Calebro]

Whats worse?

Possible insta kick and you go do something else?

Or:

**** near gaurenteed death, **** off the group, and delay 5 other people?

Really? So the better option is to stay quiet, absolutely NOT make it into the quest, die, **** off 5 others and be kicked ANYWAY, instead of risking a possible insta kick? If the group is the type to insta-kick you, then they are absolutely the type to kick and blacklist you for your stupidity.

This

[Failedlegend]

Whats worse?

Possible insta kick and you go do something else?

Or:

**** near gaurenteed death, **** off the group, and delay 5 other people?

Really? So the better option is to stay quiet, absolutely NOT make it into the quest, die, **** off 5 others and be kicked ANYWAY, instead of risking a possible insta kick? If the group is the type to insta-kick you, then they are absolutely the type to kick and blacklist you for your stupidity.

I didn't say it was a good thing I was giving reasoning why they do it.

[Terebinthia]

Whats worse?

Possible insta kick and you go do something else?

Or:

**** near gaurenteed death, **** off the group, and delay 5 other people?

Really? So the better option is to stay quiet, absolutely NOT make it into the quest, die, **** off 5 others and be kicked ANYWAY, instead of risking a possible insta kick? If the group is the type to insta-kick you, then they are absolutely the type to kick and blacklist you for your stupidity.


This.

Also, there's a huge difference between your first interaction being "share plz" (which does get my back up, unless it's for something like VON4 where it makes sense to) and something like "sorry guys, not sure I know the way, would someone mind waiting for me and running out together?".

Or my usual trick, which is "arrrgh, I can't remember which teleporter I need to take in GH, is it the top one?"

Running out together clearly doesn't work for IP - but then why click on the LFM in the first place?

[porq]

Had an infuriating experience like that just yesterday. Except the guy did communicate with us, it's just that he was lying.


Was waiting in a dq preraid group about to run eDQ2, waiting at the final fight for an arcane to fill the 12th spot. This wizard guy joins, heads out to the desert and assures us over voice chat that yes, he will be there in a minute, he has done this before. We tell him that we're waiting for him so we can finish the preraid and move on.


About 5-7 minutes later, there is no 6th member in the quest. We see his sp bar slowly draining all the while. I am getting ****ed at this point, if he knew the way he would be in the quest by now, so I recall out and see he's not even close to the right path. I have to direct this wizard over chat to stop, let me come get you, blah blah, so it was only after I rescued him that we were able to proceed with the preraid.


Final kicker, he died at least a dozen times during the raid itself. Party leader asked him if he had any pots, and to drink them(would be reimbursed later). Wizard guy says yes..then a minute later says, 'oh wait you mean mana pots..no i dont'


/rage

[bandyman1]

as far as i see, said "fool" might have had bit less balance than optimal. you know those lions on way to pop? in groups, they like tripping and it ends up as permanent state of being quite easily.

well, unless one has 30% striding item or permanent haste, you can't really "outrun" them.

If one " knows the way ", and makes the jump, one never encounters them.

[SaneDitto]

Funny thing is, while I do know the way, it gets mixed up with the other ways I know how to go to. Gianthold is especially a problem for me, because I briefly get confused and mix up the path to Madstone and the path to Foundation of Discord for embarrassing results. :rolleyes:

However, if people genuinely don't know the way (or got sidetracked, like I would), it never, ever hurts your character to ask. If they boot you, then you don't want to be grouping with them in the first place, but if they come and guide you, well, you save more face than I did finding out that I had been going the wrong way the whole time. ;)

[Failedlegend]

If one " knows the way ", and makes the jump, one never encounters them.

That jump is quite difficult for some classes/builds without featherfall and a jump spell...ironically the same people probably wont have balance either

[bandyman1]

That jump is quite difficult for some classes/builds without featherfall and a jump spell...ironically the same people probably wont have balance either

Meh...I don't know about that.

I'd maybe agree that the jump is difficult for certain players, but not really for certain classes/builds.

Simply because most of us have managed it on toons in heavy armor, with no ranks in jump since Mod 4s release.

[baronlager]

Only capped one character to 20 so far, and still consider myself new to this game. Mostly run with my guild or friends, so don't have to fear asking a question if I forgot something or I am new to a quest. That being said, I've been running some of my lower toons in pugs recently. Even if you chance losing a spot in the group, I find the safest practice to get close enough to the quest before even trying to join the group. (That way I can be healed up before anyone sees my low hp and sp bar. :)) But really, you know you won't be holding anyone up and are ready to go if the rest of the group is there already.

[Calebro]

That jump is quite difficult for some classes/builds without featherfall and a jump spell...ironically the same people probably wont have balance eitherMeh...I don't know about that.

I'd maybe agree that the jump is difficult for certain players, but not really for certain classes/builds.

Simply because most of us have managed it on toons in heavy armor, with no ranks in jump since Mod 4s release.

This.
And if you make it to GH without a featherfall item, you're still a noob, which means you certainly won't know the way to that quest to begin with.

I have my moments where I like to help teach, and I have my moments where I don't want to deal with it.
When I'm willing to be patient, my LFM will reflect that. When I'm not willing to be patient, my LFM will also reflect that.
Join groups that you are qualified for.
If the LFM doesn't say anything to give you an idea what kind of run it will be, you'll find out when you join.
If an LFM requires some knowledge, more often than not a simple /tell to the leader asking if newbies are welcome beforehand will be all of the qualification that you need, because that at least shows that while you may not know the quest, you have the decency to speak up about it.

Example:
I just ran a Trial xp farm where the LFM stated "Trial xp farm, IP, no hand holding."
When I finished my third run, I recalled back to GH to guide a newbie in to the quest because he simply sent a /tell first, so I knew he'd at least listen to directions.

[MrWizard]

um...this has to be said.


Okay guys...and I am assuming we are mostly guys... the thread says this

"If you don't know the way, why are you running around randomly? "


Ask any woman who has been in a car with a boyfriend or husband how many times she has asked the same question in regards to getting somewhere.

I guess now we know the wife's frustrations a little better.... :)

[HAL]

um...this Has To Be Said.


Okay Guys...and I Am Assuming We Are Mostly Guys... The Thread Says This

"if You Don't Know The Way, Why Are You Running Around Randomly? "


Ask Any Woman Who Has Been In A Car With A Boyfriend Or Husband How Many Times She Has Asked The Same Question In Regards To Getting Somewhere.

I Guess Now We Know The Wife's Frustrations A Little Better.... :)

Rofl - This!

[MrWizard]

Had an absolute classic last night with DQ1. I'd been finishing off a Prey run so my raid partner started it off, got the second group organised etc. etc. Result being they were mostly complete by the time I get in group. Monk joins shortly after me.

Do the "talk to the djinni twice" spiel because goodness knows I've done that a couple of times and it's very irritating.

Zone out, monk is just behind me. Says nothing. Head to quest, can see the dot behind me when I zone in so assume he's just behind. All the time saying nothing.

We are right at the second fight with Lailat. We wait for a good 5 / 10 mins. Polite things said over mic, in party chat. No response to any of them.

Then we see him loot somewhere.

I say "hey, monk, why are you looting somewhere, there's no loot on the way to Lailat"

We get "oh, lol, don't know the way, sorry!". Because at that point he knew he couldn't bluff any more.

So, it's oh lol, for making us wait, when he was RIGHT BEHIND someone running to the quest when zoning in and if he'd actually said something I'd have waited for him and run him out there with no issue whatsoever.

We completed and dropped him quick smart. He was "oh lol" about that, too. No apologies for wasting anyone's time.

And that's why I get irritated when people don't say they don't know the way. It's a basic assumption that my time doesn't matter. Which, when I'm in a raid train for the evening, is not the case.

i always look them up on the 'who' list and see where they are....helps for wait or boot decision

[cdemeritt]

i told the leader i been to the q before but not as a bard yet.

leader : np evrything will be explained .
me : oh ok good :)
leader : your a warchanter right
me : no i am a virtuoso :(
leader : oh thats ok just don't tell anyone :p



Pls PM this leaders name, I want to +1 them for that...Lol

[PopeJual]

I'm a good scout, though! I can find the traps for you guys!

*stomp* *stomp* *stomp* *ding*

I found a trap!

[Terebinthia]

i always look them up on the 'who' list and see where they are....helps for wait or boot decision

Well, I was naiively assuming he was somewhere in the Sands, lol. Although I have to admit I didn't check this :D