Epic Demon Queen Preraid: A Question about Tactics.

[skepticalsoul]

Or specifically how to defeat the demon queen without considerable resources. I honestly don't care about Turbine devs nerfing this or what have you and I find the challenge to be exciting but I'm looking for some insight from the more knowledgable players in this game on how to defeat the demon queen without using so many resources. To be quite honest with you the first part of this epic is actually pathetically easy, however once you start fighting the demon queen things go down hill.. Everyone time I go into this quest no matter the tactics that we use it seems I'm using at least two or three pots while healing the demon queen fight.

So far it seems that the easiest tactic is to have everyone run in seperate directions while we choose one individual to "superman" it. While this does seem to cut down on how many pots I use while healing, it does eliminate the need to use two or three for the second fight. Is there a simpler solution to this? I honestly don't mind drinking the pots, but I really would like to find a less resource intensive method for this fight. It honestly boggles my mind how difficult this is to heal when I've solohealed the raid without a huge problem. Any advice on tactics would be a huge help as I plan on running this every day irregardless.

[skepticalsoul]

hrm, nobody? :/

[Tat2Freak]

I've solohealed the raid without a huge problem
...that you solo healed the raid Epic...

[Bodic]

uhm I have seen/completed a short man EDQ with a Bard and Rogue as the heals.

I was the Rogue.

EADQ just runs never have gone after the end chest.

[Emili]

BB and mostly range is all you need... little resources involved and no pots.

[Sonofmoradin]

You can always outheal both fights like the raid. Note that in the last fight you don't get hit by the traps if you stay at center. Also according to your words you are a skilled healer with an ubber group so i think you won't have any issues. The queen doesn't have much HP on this part and with good dps she goes down fast.

[skepticalsoul]

...that you solo healed the raid Epic...

I can't tell if you're saying that you don't believe me, or that it should be obvious because I've solohealed the raid. Either way the preraid fight is extremely different. I personally think the preraid boss is like the raid boss but on steroids with less hp.



BB and mostly range is all you need... little resources involved and no pots.



Until someone runs into one of her blade barriers. :/ I guess maybe it's not that simple? Her blade barriers do a crapton of damage. Either way, this is what we've been doing. I just wanted to know if there were alternative methods. Seems like this is the easiest solution. I imagine it will get easier when I start finding more skilled melee to run with. To be quite honest the only melee on my server whom I feel is competent enough to handle this was just permabanned so...


You can always outheal both fights like the raid. Note that in the last fight you don't get hit by the traps if you stay at center. Also according to your words you are a skilled healer with an ubber group so i think you won't have any issues. The queen doesn't have much HP on this part and with good dps she goes down fast.

Wow I actually never knew that about the dysjunction balls. I assume this fight would become a lot easier with uhm... fortifcation. yeah...

Anyhow I'm a good healer. My groups mostly consists of pugs and an uber caster. But the melee isn't ever really that good... Easiest time I ever had was with an uber ranger. Even so last time we tried to out heal her dps she wound up running through all the melees, knocking me down, and throwing the caster out the barrier. It was actually pretty hilarious but yeah. I just hate being picky about who joins my groups, I usually try to accept the first people who hit it but it seems I can't do this with this particular instance. :/

[krackythehoodedone]

Whilst a really great party of top end equipped and experienced players will storm EDQ1 now, their is still a trail of wreckage left from many hundred epic fails.

Can be a real challenge in resource management and at least two of the fights of the opening six can be a potential wipe. Namely the Mephits and the Monkey casters.

Taking a portable shrine with you is a real smart idea (so much cheaper than pots)

I actually think that getting to the end is as tough as the end fight but it matters not because your query was end fight related.

Try to keep out of her way as much as possible. No one really should go into the mincer unless its a nominated tank with you backing him up.

Some great ranged DPS is all good, especially if said toon can get her aggro and run backwards around the room. Hit her with big damage spells and blade barriers. Hopefully her aggro will keep changing and whilst she is dithering about wondering who to chase she is not slicing anyone up into rabbit food .

If you have someone with an awesome intimidate (high seventies cos she is hardest intim target currently in game i believe) that is a good tactic, really screws her up.

Plan for all your items to get disjunctioned. Maybe stay still at the beginning (as long as she isnt after you!) and get as much DPS into her before everything gets mucked up. Swap items out after they are disjuncted.

Cloudkill slows her down a bit

GL

Prepare to get skunked in end chest..lol

[krackythehoodedone]

I think maybe you were confusing EDQ1 and 2 when you said you solo healed the raid. I also doubt you solo healed EDQ2. Would be very tough (just too much to heal at once) and cost a shed load of resources

Oh yes and you really really need to choose your pugs carefully i think that could be your biggest problem.

[Shmuel]

use melees who have enough strength to not get overrrun, blade barriers, arcane spells, and ranged. Enough dps of any of these combinations can work for edq1. you need a lot of crowd control for the quest, but lots of dps for the end. usually i switch toons before the end fight.

As far as solo-healing eadq2, i have seen it done lots of times, although don't have a healer myself. Usually its with an intimitank to hold the aggro and everyone else needs to take care of themselves.

[HallowedOne]

I wonder if it is possible to use the same tactic of the raid on there as well? With just on the second part having a caster kiting the mobs while the group fights into a safe spot to avoid the balls?

[Sonofmoradin]

I wonder if it is possible to use the same tactic of the raid on there as well? With just on the second part having a caster kiting the mobs while the group fights into a safe spot to avoid the balls?

On the second fight the mobs are before facing the queen which means you are facing the queen alone. If you want to do the fight like atdq2, then the group must stay together since the queen swaps agro no matter who is doing more damage unlike other bosses/mobs. So more or less you need a skilled healer and a good geared group with alot of hps and dps in order to outheal the last 2 fights. And as i said above if you stand right in the middle of the room during the last fight, you do not get hit by the disjunction traps.

[Cyreonx]

Last time I ran the raid part we had a pile of melee with the caster & healer further back. After she teleports back from the ledge situate her near one edge of the main platform. The highest HP/AC/DR guys where in the front shield blocking. The more squishy melee where more to the sides and the healer just mass healed the pile. On normal she went down in a few seconds. The person who suggested this tactic said they do epic demon queen this way too.

[skepticalsoul]

I think maybe you were confusing EDQ1 and 2 when you said you solo healed the raid. I also doubt you solo healed EDQ2. Would be very tough (just too much to heal at once) and cost a shed load of resources

Oh yes and you really really need to choose your pugs carefully i think that could be your biggest problem.

No... Definitely talking about the raid. I've only done it once and 5 people died but I did it without using a single pot. It's probably my favorite ddo moment, but it's definitely possible.

[skepticalsoul]

Whilst a really great party of top end equipped and experienced players will storm EDQ1 now, their is still a trail of wreckage left from many hundred epic fails.

Can be a real challenge in resource management and at least two of the fights of the opening six can be a potential wipe. Namely the Mephits and the Monkey casters.

Mephit room imo is the easiest of all of them. Throwing a dancing ball, run forward kite all the mephits into it, when they hit it throw mass hold, win the game. Monkey room is a bit more challenging. In fact I think monkey is the only challenging one since if you don't have a monk who is quick on their feat and your caster is doing all the cc you're all gonna take a crapton of damage. Either way though I almost never use a pot for the initials runs.




Taking a portable shrine with you is a real smart idea (so much cheaper than pots)

I actually think that getting to the end is as tough as the end fight but it matters not because your query was end fight related.

Try to keep out of her way as much as possible. No one really should go into the mincer unless its a nominated tank with you backing him up.

Some great ranged DPS is all good, especially if said toon can get her aggro and run backwards around the room. Hit her with big damage spells and blade barriers. Hopefully her aggro will keep changing and whilst she is dithering about wondering who to chase she is not slicing anyone up into rabbit food .

If you have someone with an awesome intimidate (high seventies cos she is hardest intim target currently in game i believe) that is a good tactic, really screws her up.

Plan for all your items to get disjunctioned. Maybe stay still at the beginning (as long as she isnt after you!) and get as much DPS into her before everything gets mucked up. Swap items out after they are disjuncted.

Cloudkill slows her down a bit

GL

Prepare to get skunked in end chest..lol

We have a friend who is an intimitank who we're gonna try it with today. Hopefully it goes a little bit less rough. I hope this makes it a lot more smooth. Can't imagine spending more pots at the end though. We'll see what happens.

[skepticalsoul]

Thanks for all the input guys, it's really appreciated!