need a build check

[p3n1x0r]

this was my old old old 1st tr, and 2nd toon ever.

made some mistakes, learned lots over the year n some....and im goin to lesser reincarnate this build

past life was 20 fighter, the new planned life is 2 fighter, 18 ranger.

quick draft of build....im considering doing umd too so i put that in there


everybody tear up and critique this build so i can refine it some b4 i lesser him.





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zigbang
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Ranger)
Hit Points: 266
Spell Points: 232
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 14
Will: 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 18 24
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 14 17
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 10 12
Charisma 8 10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 4 5
Bluff -1 0
Concentration 2 3
Diplomacy -1 0
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 0
Heal 0 1
Hide 2 3
Intimidate -1 0
Jump 6 9
Listen 0 1
Move Silently 2 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 1
Search 0 1
Spot 0 1
Swim 4 7
Tumble 3 4
Use Magic Device 1 14

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Charismatic Cloak \par \par Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Ranger)


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Chaotic Outsider


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)

[Syllph]

You took the UMD feat. Even with the feat: UMD without rogue levels and with your low CHA your UMD won't get you too far. If you're using it bypass race restrictions it might work. I wouldn't take a feat for that personally though.

You chose Favored: Evil and Favored: Chaotic outsiders. If I'm not mistaken they do not stack. 99% of outsiders are evil some Lawful evil some Chaotic Evil so just stick with evil.

Not sure why 17 Dex was added. Rangers get TWF for free even with low DEX. Without a monk spash your AC won't be high enough for the DEX to help AC too much; if it's for evasion that's fine though.

It shows at 266 HP. If that's accurate you will have issues with dying. Personally my minimum is 400 on a ranger. I'm not sure if that 266 includes +6 CON item GFL etc. But 266 seems awfully low.

Also taking Power attack at level one is kind of wasteful. Most things die quickly anyway and the penalty to hit (missing) means things will actually die slower not faster with PA on at early levels.

[Meetch1972]

this was my old old old 1st tr, and 2nd toon ever.

made some mistakes, learned lots over the year n some....and im goin to lesser reincarnate this build

past life was 20 fighter, the new planned life is 2 fighter, 18 ranger.

Hang on...

You're going to LR to get from 20 fighter to 2 fighter + other stuff?

Really? Edit: Maybe I'm reading it wrong - hopefully it's already close to a 2/18 fighter/ranger.

As for the build, I'm wondering why bother at all with UMD if 14 from ranks... just wand whip what you can cast already by being the right ranger level. There will be others more knowledgable than I who may or may correct me or concur... :) so do not take MY word for it...

Also you may not need that Dex, 'cos rangers get TWF/ITWF/GTWF automatically. Planned enhancements may make a difference to whether your stat selection synergises with 'em. Dropping DEX will allow you to increase CON and get some more HPs.

Happy hunting!

[p3n1x0r]

he was a lv 20 fighter

i tr'd

so far i have made him 2 figher 13 ranger. this is where he sits now.

i want to lesser reincarnate back to 2 fighetr 13ranger(and on to cap ranger)

just want to fix things..

some things are nto all filled out, this was a rough drafty

[p3n1x0r]

basically i want to fix him to be playable and fun again


he has a couple of khopeshes from past life too.

basically ill get him to 16, lesser just to fix up the mistakes i made.

and continue on to cap ending as 2 fighter 18 ranger

i still need to add things in like minos, gfl items, +6 con, all my toughness enhancements, but you get a rough idea?

[Nysrock]

Well I had one of my original characters as a 18/2 Ranger/Fighter and just reincarnated him to an 18/1/1 Ranger/Fighter/Rogue. I find he is MUCH more efficient this way.

With the one level of rogue I can max out his UMD plus throw some extra points into spot, jump whatever. At level 16 I can self buff my UMD to 35 and that will go higher as I level. I stayed as a dwarf though and just use dwarven axes.

Here is the link to what I did. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=288995

[p3n1x0r]

thank you, and nicely done build.

reason dex was so high was i was trying for a reasonable AC. i have icy rainments +7 bracers and +7 on dex bonus.. so far with some buffing i can get a 45ac. dunno where i stand there though cuz im not aiming for ac

so i may just end up dropping the umd idea all together, and just go on as normal skipping it then.

any tips tricks pointers for a ranger? any specific items that i want to get?

the whole reason i did this build was mainly for dps/evasion so the higher dex helps reflexs too

[Nysrock]

Heck, even starting with a 12 dex I can still get up to 45 AC. And I use the Breastplate of Destruction from Hound so I can still have my evasion. Plus at higher level content that 45 AC isn't really gone to mean a lot.

As for dropping UMD I would recommend against that IMO. At 16 I rarely fail on Heal scrolls, can use any RR items out there and use Cure Critical wands all the time. Plus whatever other scrolls I care to cast.

So what is your reason for 2 fighter levels besides the extra feat? Only other thing it seems to give you is another +1 to str. You could drop the UMD feat, add 1 level of rogue and you will still have a higher UMD. Plus some extra sneak attack damage which isn't all bad.

I have played this bother ways and I prefer the way it is turning out now but what I do isn't right for everybody. Bottom line is play your character however you will have the most fun. Good luck with your build.

[p3n1x0r]

well a year and then some ago when i tr'd and made this build not knowing much i made it this way cuz a guildie of mine was 2/18 and i loved his dps compared to mine.

no other real reason than to get the +1 str, early feat access.

maybe a +1 heart then and level 1 rogue, 1 fighter and 18 ranger then after all?

because i still want the tempest 3 prestige and i need 18 levels of ranger

[p3n1x0r]

im going to mull over what to do in the next few days with this toon.

i mean i put 6 skill points into tumble!? when i only need 1...yeh..i had no idea what i was doing back then.

i think ill keep it simple stupid and just go with my original plan to lesser him to fix up skillpoints and feats that i picked wrong(yes at lv1 fighter i picked 2 handed fighting, when i ddnt know rangers got it as a feat automatically)

so you see, i really messed this guy up i think


i dont even have powerattack....and i miss cleave too..

[p3n1x0r]

after going over this some more i see another reason i chose 2 levels of fighter because i wanted khopesh feat. and i would have to sacrafice a feat to get my khopeshes at lv12.

even if i went with your build, i would have to drop empower healing maybe, or skillfocus umd

i am keen on having rogue levels now though for that tiny bit of sneak attack bonus stacking with my tharnes goggles.....also have a pair of backstabber gloves, but they dont stack.


How is this for a bit more clear headed build? i get a 25umd without a charisma item on. with item and gh, and cartouche, and skill boosts i should easily hit 35 range umd. +6 shroud item and im there no fails hopefully.


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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(1 Fighter \ 1 Rogue \ 18 Ranger)
Hit Points: 282
Spell Points: 205
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 16
Will: 6

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 18 24
Dexterity 14 16
Constitution 15 18
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 8 10
Charisma 12 14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 3
Bluff 1 2
Concentration 2 4
Diplomacy 1 2
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 1 2
Heal -1 0
Hide 2 3
Intimidate 1 2
Jump 4 7
Listen -1 0
Move Silently 2 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 0
Search -1 0
Spot -1 0
Swim 4 7
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device 5 25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Human


Level 18 (Ranger)


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)

[Rydin_Dirtay]

How is this for a bit more clear headed build? i get a 25umd without a charisma item on. with item and gh, and cartouche, and skill boosts i should easily hit 35 range umd. +6 shroud item and im there no fails hopefully.

If you have or will have a Shroud CHA skills item, then there is no reason to start at 12 CHA. You could dump stat CHA and still get 39 UMD.

[p3n1x0r]

he wont have one for awhile however.

see i was dumb when i tr'd and i only had gs khopeshes, no immunity or hp or sp or anything item...

whatever i make for him though, i can take it to tier2 right away and ill get a clicky on it.

im leaning towards a hp item w/ dex skills/displacement clicky

but if im wanting to do umd right sooner and my hp is fine, hovering in the 400's so im thinking ill see more benefit from a Sp +charisma shroud item immediately and wait on the hp item?

[unbongwah]

I would consider WIS 12 CHA 8 instead; that way you can take a +2 WIS tome and not need a WIS item to cast spells. You could take SF UMD (like you did on your earlier build) to make up for the lost CHA, then swap it for something else when you no longer need it. And don't forget you can use Human Versatility to give you +2-5 UMD just long enough to use a no-fail Heal scroll when your UMD is marginal.

[p3n1x0r]

THIS!

thank you! its all coming together now

now as for a gs item placement? im leaning to boots as a swappable gear between my madstone boots for when i need either my umd, or a quick double madstone.

looking at my gear it will be very hard to place these.

and its looking like i may give up my minos and make a min2 helm as well for my hp item

cloak is the nightmare cloak from halloween lv16, necklace is jorgs collar, belt +6con +5 lesser false life. minos helm, +6 str bracers, spectral gloves, and mantle of worldshaper, and madstone boots

lookin to end game i wont be swapping much out except for amrath belt/necklace items.

that leaves free ideally boots since theyre the least of use and id rather not be madstoned since it will totally blow my casting ability....thus umd is useless.

[Syllph]

You can drop the mantle for an immunities GS item (Triple Negative) unless you really like the Nightmare Cloak.

The J. collar does not stack with haste and in almost every situation you will be permanently hasted when it matters, so feel free to take the necklace from Necro III.

For the belt grind out some Battlefield and get a +6/Greater False Life. You'll love it.

[p3n1x0r]

got the necklace from necro 3, the silver flame amulet deal charged all the way right?

pretty sure i have a knosts or is it colenthesis or ravager that has the 30gfl on it, got them in bank waiting

[Rydin_Dirtay]

now as for a gs item placement? im leaning to boots as a swappable gear between my madstone boots for when i need either my umd, or a quick double madstone.

I'm doing UMD CHA skills GS on the boot slot. I figure I won't be UMD'ing when Madstoning etc.
If I dont get haste I can Longstrider and Sprint Boost at least.



and its looking like i may give up my minos and make a min2 helm as well for my hp item

Yeah it was a painful decision for me but I am making a Min2 helm. I can get the Minos toughness back via Epic Belt of the Mroranon and things like that.



cloak is the nightmare cloak from halloween lv16, necklace is jorgs collar, belt +6con +5 lesser false life. minos helm, +6 str bracers, spectral gloves, and mantle of worldshaper, and madstone boots

Yeah my guy has the lev16 Mabar cloak. He's starting to use ToD necklaces, belts, and rings now though.
I usually only swap to Mantle if I am going solo in some caster heavy spot, etc.



lookin to end game i wont be swapping much out except for amrath belt/necklace items.

I am going for Ravager + Tempest set going simultaneously when I'm DPS'ing



that leaves free ideally boots since theyre the least of use and id rather not be madstoned since it will totally blow my casting ability....thus umd is useless.

UMD is never useless. Well, unless you are madstoned heheheh

[p3n1x0r]

yup ive reached many the same conclusions there as well

for a final look at the build it is here

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=300088

and its spectacular. self buffed i get a 41 umd at lv 16....sweet.

i have the ravager/tempest set on my dorf fighter :(

ideally thats the same setup i want on this guy.