Spell Singer Build Advice

[Lizellea]

Ok I have looked at the character planner and tried many different things. I don't want a splash I don't want a multiclass I want a pure spell singer bard. Can anyone help me with that? Or am i wasting my time? This is what im looking for. I want human with 32 point build. Is that too much to ask? Want good umd with healing buffing and cc and this character planner is starting to tick me off. Thanks for listening to my ranting and maybe leaveing some advice.

[Irinis]

lol.

[Jiirix]

Ok I have looked at the character planner and tried many different things. I don't want a splash I don't want a multiclass I want a pure spell singer bard. Can anyone help me with that? Or am i wasting my time? This is what im looking for. I want human with 32 point build. Is that too much to ask? Want good umd with healing buffing and cc and this character planner is starting to tick me off. Thanks for listening to my ranting and maybe leaveing some advice.

Thats my Prince Charmin build. High CC DC, high UMD high diplo, high haggle, high fascinate, good songs, extendet buffs, good healing and mark of finding for better loot. I love to play him, a plus for every party and the best friend of every caster/healer. You can skip the haggle enchantments and put some more points into healing. The Prince/ Princess can swing a Paralyzer/keen Smiting rapier, banisher etc.. and will hit when the songs are up, but isn't great in DPS. Thats what the multiclass warchanters are for :)



Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.7.2
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard)
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 1046
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 11
Will: 21

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 14 14 14
Dexterity 8 8 8
Constitution 16 16 16
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 8 8 8
Charisma 18 23 30

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 3 22 22
Bluff 4 9 9
Concentration 7 26 32
Diplomacy 7 31 31
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 8 32 36
Heal -1 -1 -1
Hide -1 -1 -1
Intimidate 4 9 9
Jump 2 2 2
Listen -1 -1 -1
Move Silently -1 -1 -1
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform 8 32 36
Repair -1 -1 -1
Search -1 -1 -1
Spot -1 -1 -1
Swim 2 2 2
Tumble 0 0 0
Use Magic Device 8 32 36

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Least Dragonmark of Finding
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Finding


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Finding


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger II
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle I
Enhancement: Improved Haggle II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle III
Enhancement: Improved Haggle IV
Enhancement: Improved Perform I
Enhancement: Improved Perform II
Enhancement: Improved Perform III
Enhancement: Improved Perform IV
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I

[JoeyWMD]

Don't know much about spellsingers but I'll do my best also it won't be GREAT

Max Cha All level ups into Cha
10 int
rest into con/str
Use THF
Max ranks in perform haggle and UMD every level any leftover place where you'd like.
Spells to take would be any crowd control possible (fascinate is also your friend)
take feats etc based on what you need for spellsinger I & II check by hitting the "show unavailable" in the enhancements the other feats should be THF and Toughness
Remember the goal is to crow control first fight second Music of the Dead & Makers would be nice to take if ya can (early as possible)

Hope this helps and hope I'm not to off base here. :D I'm currently a WC and it's made me want to make a Spellsinger out of curiosity, my build would be similar to this but I may add 2 rogue for soloing ability making me drop a few more points into int maybe a 12 base and use dorf or WF to make up for the lost con :D

PS: Greensteel weapon I'd suggest a Earthgrab one maybe Maul and then the typical Min2 G-Axe but the EG Maul is dominant I run with a spellsinger bard who uses it and we're a duo to be afraid of ;p

[Aashrym]

Did you read Irinis' guide (also in my sig)?

[Irinis]

Hope this helps and hope I'm not to off base here. :D I'm currently a WC and it's made me want to make a Spellsinger out of curiosity, my build would be similar to this but I may add 2 rogue for soloing ability making me drop a few more points into int maybe a 12 base and use dorf or WF to make up for the lost con :D

If you plan on casting crowd control spells with your Bard, don't splash a Spellsinger, stay pure. Losing the capstone is not fun.

[JoeyWMD]

Did you read Irinis' guide (also in my sig)?

Aelunira aka Irinis' is a noob don't listen to her. ;p
I kid I kid, she does have her stuff down she helped me with my planning stages on my bard life and she's a **** good player.

[JoeyWMD]

If you plan on casting crowd control spells with your Bard, don't splash a Spellsinger, stay pure. Losing the capstone is not fun.

See, she's still helping me 0= haha That would have gimped me for Epic Questing :D

[Irinis]

Aelunira aka Irinis' is a noob don't listen to her. ;p
I kid I kid, she does have her stuff down she helped me with my planning stages on my bard life and she's a **** good player.

That just shows how little YOU know! :D

I'll always be a noob, I just learned a bit from some **** good players and am less of a noob than you are. Haha.

To the OP: Check out the Spellsinger builds in the guide and in this thread and read a bit before you roll. There's variety even in max cha builds and knowing what you want is half of it. I love my Diva build above all others, but I built it for me.

[Aashrym]

See, she's still helping me 0= haha That would have gimped me for Epic Questing :D

Only if you wanted to land spells. I you enjoy cast glitterdust, disco ball, hypnotic pattern, and ddoor for the light show that could be interesting too. :D

[wax_on_wax_off]

Thats my Prince Charmin build. High CC DC, high UMD high diplo, high haggle, high fascinate, good songs, extendet buffs, good healing and mark of finding for better loot. I love to play him, a plus for every party and the best friend of every caster/healer. You can skip the haggle enchantments and put some more points into healing. The Prince/ Princess can swing a Paralyzer/keen Smiting rapier, banisher etc.. and will hit when the songs are up, but isn't great in DPS. Thats what the multiclass warchanters are for :)



Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.7.2
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard)
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 1046
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 11
Will: 21

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 14 14 14
Dexterity 8 8 8
Constitution 16 16 16
Intelligence 8 8 8
Wisdom 8 8 8
Charisma 18 23 30

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 3 22 22
Bluff 4 9 9
Concentration 7 26 32
Diplomacy 7 31 31
Disable Device n/a n/a n/a
Haggle 8 32 36
Heal -1 -1 -1
Hide -1 -1 -1
Intimidate 4 9 9
Jump 2 2 2
Listen -1 -1 -1
Move Silently -1 -1 -1
Open Lock n/a n/a n/a
Perform 8 32 36
Repair -1 -1 -1
Search -1 -1 -1
Spot -1 -1 -1
Swim 2 2 2
Tumble 0 0 0
Use Magic Device 8 32 36

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Least Dragonmark of Finding
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Finding


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Finding


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: CHA
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger II
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle I
Enhancement: Improved Haggle II
Enhancement: Improved Haggle III
Enhancement: Improved Haggle IV
Enhancement: Improved Perform I
Enhancement: Improved Perform II
Enhancement: Improved Perform III
Enhancement: Improved Perform IV
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I




This build looks solid except for the Dragonmark. I have a guildy with a pure spellsinger with the dragonmark and now has trouble landing spells because he lacks specific feats.

Feat list for a level 20 human spellsinger:
spell focus: enchantment, greater spell focus: enchantment, heighten, extend, maximise, empower healing, spell penetration, greater spell penetration

These feats are all pretty much critical to having the CC and healing that you want at level 20. Possibly I would swap Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment for Toughness until I had enough HP related gear to get rid of it but a spellsinger bard pretty much has 0 aggro generation so the HP is less critical here than just about any other character.

[Nephilia]

This build looks solid except for the Dragonmark. I have a guildy with a pure spellsinger with the dragonmark and now has trouble landing spells because he lacks specific feats.

Feat list for a level 20 human spellsinger:
spell focus: enchantment, greater spell focus: enchantment, heighten, extend, maximise, empower healing, spell penetration, greater spell penetration

These feats are all pretty much critical to having the CC and healing that you want at level 20. Possibly I would swap Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment for Toughness until I had enough HP related gear to get rid of it but a spellsinger bard pretty much has 0 aggro generation so the HP is less critical here than just about any other character.

Start your toon with empower and swap this feat later with maximize with the friendly octohead Fred! Now u can grab toughness ;)
And I heard a lot of people saying me to drop at least 1 spell penetration feat (depending ofc on your equip) ;)

[Lizellea]

That just shows how little YOU know! :D

I'll always be a noob, I just learned a bit from some **** good players and am less of a noob than you are. Haha.

To the OP: Check out the Spellsinger builds in the guide and in this thread and read a bit before you roll. There's variety even in max cha builds and knowing what you want is half of it. I love my Diva build above all others, but I built it for me.

I did check out the thread but being an adult with dislexia isn't fun and all the reading kinda is frusterating after a while. It took me three hours just to read the whole thing. To understand it is another matter. But from what I saw its a good build but I am looking more toward like the Prince Charming one that was posted I will play around with what I was adviised with and see what I can come up with. Thank you all for helping ^^ I greatly appriciate it!

[Jiirix]

I can understand that one doesnt use the dragonmarks, but what is maxi and emp. healing good for?
Maxi for more soundburst dam? And I heal mostly with wands and scrolls. The scroll enhancement is more important to me. Are you useing damage spells and sp-based healing on your spellsingers?

EDIT: OK, i got it. You folks are using empowered maxied mass cures.

Nevertheless: That would be the healing prince for Lizellea, with emp. healing, maxi and highten:


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.7.2
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard)
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 1046
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 11
Will: 21

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 14 14
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 16 16
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 18 29

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 3 22
Bluff 4 9
Concentration 7 32
Diplomacy 7 31
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 8 32
Heal -1 -1
Hide -1 -1
Intimidate 4 9
Jump 2 2
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently -1 -1
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform 8 35
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot -1 -1
Swim 2 2
Tumble 0 0
Use Magic Device 8 36

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 4 (Bard)


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 16 (Bard)


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger I
Enhancement: Bard Spellsinger II
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Improved Perform I
Enhancement: Improved Perform II
Enhancement: Improved Perform III
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lyric of Song II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Bard Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II

[Aashrym]

Feat list for a level 20 human spellsinger:
spell focus: enchantment, greater spell focus: enchantment, heighten, extend, maximise, empower healing, spell penetration, greater spell penetration

A bard really can get by with just maximize, altho maximize plus empower healing can also be nice in some areas. Dropping greater spell penetration works too with the capstone. This gives us a bit of room to juggle toughness, quicken, or power attack in there, which are all nice to have too.

[JoeyWMD]

Only if you wanted to land spells. I you enjoy cast glitterdust, disco ball, hypnotic pattern, and ddoor for the light show that could be interesting too. :D

Haha I shall name him Raver the Rager or Rager the Raver (or something similar) I'll provide music and lightshows to all that don't really need or want them :D

[JoeyWMD]

That just shows how little YOU know! :D

I'll always be a noob, I just learned a bit from some **** good players and am less of a noob than you are. Haha.

To the OP: Check out the Spellsinger builds in the guide and in this thread and read a bit before you roll. There's variety even in max cha builds and knowing what you want is half of it. I love my Diva build above all others, but I built it for me.

Nah, I just don't have a ridiculous mastery of the bard class, I have knowledge of everything. In a sense I'm kind of like a Jack of all Trades (which happens to be a bard build ;p) This way I can do things like, expand my knowledge on all points, somethings (building) are still mysterious to me, so I don't account for things like capstones. :D I can give a god rough draft, but always will need a look over or two. It happens. <3 :D