Build help with 13rogue/6fighter/1ranger

[Ryochanhibuko]

Main and only real toon right now. Going to GR him to a 32 pt build and this is what class combo I can come up with that works right now. Assy2/Ken1 for enhancements, however I'm having trouble picking feats for 12 and 18, any ideas/suggestions. I have GS rapiers and will be using those when I TR in the future at some later date so not going to pick up khops. I still have 2 pts left over to put into stats, just not sure where yet. Was thinking CHA and taking Force of Personality for the will saves *shrugs* any thoughtful help is welcome :)


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Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(6 Fighter \ 13 Rogue \ 1 Ranger)
Hit Points: 288
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 15
Will: 6

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 15 22 24
Dexterity 15 17 17
Constitution 14 16 16
Intelligence 12 14 14
Wisdom 8 10 10
Charisma 12 14 14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 6 18
Bluff 1 7
Concentration 2 18
Diplomacy 5 26
Disable Device 5 25
Haggle 1 2
Heal -1 0
Hide 6 24
Intimidate 1 3
Jump 5 12
Listen -1 0
Move Silently 6 24
Open Lock 6 15
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 2
Search 5 25
Spot 3 23
Swim 2 7
Tumble 3 4
Use Magic Device 5 28

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding


Level 2 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 18 (Rogue)


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Kensei Rapier Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

[Feithlin]

The question is: is it really worth loosing 8d6 on SA damage for kensei? What do you gain from going fighter?

[Fionivar]

You might consider Acrobat instead of Assassin.. dunno. but one thing that caught me was a missing feat:

Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

You should have a lvl 12 feat listed there, missing it.

[Ryochanhibuko]

I'm GR'ing to 13/6/1 so giving up all my fighter lvls right now isnt an option and I would rather not farm cash to buy lots of LR hearts, and I like this build.

and yes I know I'm missing feats at 12 and 18, looking for some ideas on what to take at those spots.

[karl_k0ch]

You should have a lvl 12 feat listed there, missing it.
Yes, and the level 18 feat is missing too. This is why the OP posted the build here.



An invonvenient this may be, imho one of the better options on a Str-based rogue if you have the feats, is Khopesh. It simply deals more damage.

FoP is an option, netting basically +2-3 Will save.
I'd rather put the point in Str, and take Skill Focus UMD.*Edit: Totally missed this, sorry.

How fixed are you in the level progression? A different one might yield some more skill points. But If you are going use a +0-1 Greater Heart, this consideration has not much use.

[Ryochanhibuko]

I have UMD at lvl 1, and have GS rapiers made up so no khops. Will the small increase in will saves be worth the feat? or since they are so low anyways does it matter?

[destiny4405]

why not take ranger at level 2? it'll give you TWF for free. you could take the improved feint line and quickdraw or sap.

[karl_k0ch]

why not take ranger at level 2? it'll give you TWF for free. you could take the improved feint line and quickdraw or sap.

Only a second level of ranger will add the TWF feat. There is not much room to squeeze in another ranger level. Free feats is, obviously, not an issue with this build.

Have you considered intimidate as a class skill? Since you have fighter levels, you might want to be able to switch into turtle-intimimode from time to time.
You can also use feats to enhance this path, i.e. SF: Intimidate and/or Shield Mastery and Improved Shield Mastery.