PVP pecking order, yes or no?

[Majere_Aumar]

This is my ordered list of the top pvp classes and variants for "anything goes" fighting (stuns, dances, dispels, songs, slayer arrows...etc).

Basically a list (based on my observations) of who is going to win more often against the general population. It assumes access to useful pvp gear of course.

No direspect to anyone's classes, this is just what I've noticed from extensive observation from the platform while I'm a ghost :)


1) Shintao Monk - able to stun anybody instantly with high DC Kukan Do or Tomb of Jade, closes quickly and kills.

2) WF Pale Master with Wizard Past Life - Immune to bard songs for the most part, has the quickest and most reliable means of discharging an ioun stone. Can do high damage which can't be blocked, then pws to win. Can still do damage while blocking with a tower shield.

3) Virtuoso Bard - Can dance most people instantly with Song of Capering (highest DC CC effect in the game?). With higher risk, may sometimes get close enough to a pale master and use Music of the Dead to stun it, then kill (difficult if it has an ioun stone). A bard with ranger splash and manyshot may be useful with str/con sapping bows.

4) WF Wizard or Sorcerer with Wizard Past Life - Past Life missiles, and able to clear ioun stones quickly. Not immune to Bard songs. Can beat AA's with tactics and an easily accessible block button (as long as the AA is not already in the arena waiting).

5) Arcane Archer - Able to apply a lot of pressure and can one shot a lot of other classes if they are not blocking. Beaten easily by the Monk and Bard above, can be beaten easily by Arcanes with Wiz Past Life who use the right tactics and have good timing.

6) WF Wizard - Can swap pvp spells in and out at will, usually has all metamagic feats. Better with a splash for evasion. Can increase reflex saves significantly with a feat.

7) WF Sorcerer - Fast casting speeds and abilitiy to spam spells to apply pressure. Lower DC's than the Wizard.

8) Cleric/FvS - Cometfall, healing, and various other damage spells, has a very hard time against people with Ioun Stones. Better with a splash for evasion.

9) Other Bards, Non WF Arcanes and Ranged Builds

10) Melee Builds (Paladins, Fighters, Barbs, non-Shintao Monks, Rogues)

[sirdanile]

Sounds about right, though player twitch skill often factors greater than the class played at the time.

[Majere_Aumar]

True, tactics, movement and knowledge of other class abilities factor a LOT.

[toughguyjoe]

You need remember that some of those can be combined.

For instance:

Elven Bard Virtuoso Arcane Archer.

[NaturalHazard]

Is h4x a pvp class? and is it at the top of the pvp pecking order?

[NeutronStar]

Is h4x a pvp class? and is it at the top of the pvp pecking order?

You'd think it would be at the bottom if you read his posts. :rolleyes:

[Celestialbeast]

I'd say you have it right. Kukan-Do scares the hell out of me as a Dark Monk When I screw around in PvP. Besides, even with my craptastic DC when I GR'd My light monk on Lamm. I still stunned everything in Amrath.

[heyytoi]

for some reason, here on thelanis, cleric/fvs rule the pit

so i have to say no

[Majere_Aumar]

for some reason, here on thelanis, cleric/fvs rule the pit

so i have to say no

Must have good clerics who can predict where to put comet fall or maybe bad ioun stone wearing arcanes. With both wearing stones, an arcane should be able to take a free comet fall hit and still clear the cleric's stone faster and do enough damage (dispel + force missiles or just meteors) to get him under 450 for the stun.

Cleric takes ?9ish? spells to clear a stone, arcanes can do it in 2 to 4.

[heyytoi]

Must have good clerics who can predict where to put comet fall or maybe bad ioun stone wearing arcanes. With both wearing stones, an arcane should be able to take a free comet fall hit and still clear the cleric's stone faster and do enough damage (dispel + force missiles or just meteors) to get him under 450 for the stun.

Cleric takes ?9ish? spells to clear a stone, arcanes can do it in 2 to 4.

Come to thelanis and il show you how to play a fvs in pvp :)

(pws/dance is not pvp..)

[Deathlos]

Depends on who your facing, most meeles my Dark monk can easily take care of, inculding AA*i use a ShurikenXD*
*mainly Light monks kill me tho.*

And Anything goes is just a dishonorable way to do it. i perfer no guards, no stuns, no trip, no ToD. *meele vs meele*

and for Arcane vs meele, they start on other side of map, and you need to get to them before they kill you. Everything the same above, added no CC, and no running around like a chicken with your head cut off...

But finding a honorable fight is hard anymore, Pvp is ruled by people who stand there and block while their guards kill you. are have to dance you with their bards and run over to their wizard char to win

[Yajerman01]

(pws/dance is not pvp..)

hehe

[96th_Malice]

You need remember that some of those can be combined.

For instance:

Elven Bard Virtuoso Arcane Archer.

Have one .. Yup shes pretty cool to run. Still only lvl 18 and wont get slayers till 20th BUT all around a great toon and even better ... Its a viable toon OUTSIDE of PvP as well

[96th_Malice]

Is h4x a pvp class? and is it at the top of the pvp pecking order?


hahaha

Top of the "wanting PvP changes made" order maybe

[Heleen]

Favored Soul:
-Immune To PWS (mostly of them or simple use the Battered Shield);
-Pretty Immune to Dance (so hard to casters come closer to a flying angel);
-On Stash they have Blade Barrier (that rule);
-With Bramble-Casters pretty good vs AA (Bards are better because of the stun);
-Heal themselves.
-Don't have Prestiges, and still are better to who have. ;)

I have already won fights...
(5 vs 1 , 1 Sorcerer) vs me, three Lvl 20, and two Lvl 15.

4 vs 1 (1 Ranger, 1 Fighter, 1 Favored Soul, 1 Barbarian) vs me, all 20, Ranger with Slaying.

and so..

[hityawithastick]

Pretty much, although I have to point out three things, which may or may not be a result of the different servers’ idiosyncrasies:

First, I rarely, if ever, see a virtuoso clean out the pit, even a virtuoso arcane archer.

Second, monks are terrifying, yes, but IMHO a properly displaced and kinda lucky wizard or sorcerer, especially a WF/pale master with fearsome armor, can survive the attack until Kukan-Do wears off. Then it’s time to start the incredibly long process of figuring out how to kill a light monk. ;)

And third: don’t underestimate the archer. They may only be truly awesome for thirty seconds every two minutes, but they can empty out the pit like nobody’s business. ;)

Gotta say, as a non-ioun-stone-wearing pale master who gets his giggles bashing warforged and human arcanes, one of the most terrifying opponents for me is an epic-level favored soul. Unmatched maneuverability and incredibly painful undead-smashers. :(

And finally: Yay! A thread about PvP that doesn’t include bashing it. :D

Also; if you're looking for honorable PvP...erm...don't come to Khyber. There's no one but me here with that mindset. :D

[Blank_Zero]

Also; if you're looking for honorable PvP...erm...don't come to Khyber. There's no one but me here with that mindset. :D

There is a certain Clonk in there who seems to know how to get rid of Ioun Stones pretty quick.... Even "The Best" can't stand up to him under the right circumstances... >.>

[Missing_Minds]

1) Shintao Monk - able to stun anybody instantly with high DC Kukan Do or Tomb of Jade, closes quickly and kills.

Huh??? That actually goes off against non pale masters in the pit? I mean given what Jade is supposed to do... aberation, undead, outsider. All of which, we PCs are not save for a wizard pale master and that is only when they are in one of their "forms".

[Jacaroma]

Even "The Best" can't stand up to him under the right circumstances... >.>

Sorry, the Jacaroma Raid in PvP is very hard to complete, even with a full party...

[Judo]

I would disagree strongly with shintao being first. I would put them after virtuoso as Song of Capering and Kukan Do are at best equal in terms of getting off before the other. Neither work against Pale Masters, and the touch attack is just that, touch, so all things being equal, getting off a Tomb of Jade before being pws is slim.

[Majere_Aumar]

I would disagree strongly with shintao being first. I would put them after virtuoso as Song of Capering and Kukan Do are at best equal in terms of getting off before the other. Neither work against Pale Masters, and the touch attack is just that, touch, so all things being equal, getting off a Tomb of Jade before being pws is slim.

Are you sure Kukan-do doesn't work on PM? I did not know that about tomb of jade .... if you are correct, that would have to put the pm at the top.

[AzraelDB]

Are you sure Kukan-do doesn't work on PM? I did not know that about tomb of jade .... if you are correct, that would have to put the pm at the top.

Coming from a Shintao Monk: Kukan-Do does not work against PMs. The idiot will keep sending them until you squelch.

[sephiroth1084]

Does Kukan-do work on players? I thought it only affected tainted creatures. See I should have read more, thought the above doesn't directly answer my question.

[Majere_Aumar]

Does Kukan-do work on players? I thought it only affected tainted creatures. See I should have read more, thought the above doesn't directly answer my question.

Yes it does, and quite effectively. It doesn't work on pm's in wraith or lich mode.

[Fundamental]

(pws/dance is not pvp..)

That's not true and it's a stupid stupid comment.
Stun and dance actually creates the best battles PvP has to offer and the most astounding wins with 1 Hp when someone has danced you and isn't paying attention, or the stun.

There is no rule book on PvP for that matter.
Now as far as monk being on Nr.1, hmmm....

Palemasters FTW. + Ion Stone.
Monk can stun but not get through all the guards when he melee's.
FvS's rule PvP? You should come to Ghallanda, we show you how it's done.

Give me a few good FvS's or clerics against a skillfull necro with a pale.
Their all f'd, evasion no evasion. And I got a full fvs myself their awesome.
In the end the player makes the build and it's the player that makes the skill.
You can have a completionist WF Caster still being pwned by a human sorcerer.

As for the Shintoa monk being on Nr.1, it's not true, entirely.
Monk is a melee build.
A caster can take out 4,5,6 people in one lighting spell. Hitting for +1000 damage. A monk can never equal that amount of firepower that fast, from range.
On Ghallanda we got a few monks, also have a pale, uses the stun and I rip him apart on my Necro, 9/10.
As with any other FvS, Cleric pale or not, = dead.

So... the list should have some 'slight rethinking' in my opinion.

After

[hityawithastick]

There is a certain Clonk in there who seems to know how to get rid of Ioun Stones pretty quick.... Even "The Best" can't stand up to him under the right circumstances... >.>

I solo'd that quest. :P

[heyytoi]

(pws/dance is not pvp..)

That's not true and it's a stupid stupid comment.
Stun and dance actually creates the best battles PvP has to offer and the most astounding wins with 1 Hp when someone has danced you and isn't paying attention, or the stun.

There is no rule book on PvP for that matter.
Now as far as monk being on Nr.1, hmmm....

Palemasters FTW. + Ion Stone.
Monk can stun but not get through all the guards when he melee's.
FvS's rule PvP? You should come to Ghallanda, we show you how it's done.

Give me a few good FvS's or clerics against a skillfull necro with a pale.
Their all f'd, evasion no evasion. And I got a full fvs myself their awesome.
In the end the player makes the build and it's the player that makes the skill.
You can have a completionist WF Caster still being pwned by a human sorcerer.

As for the Shintoa monk being on Nr.1, it's not true, entirely.
Monk is a melee build.
A caster can take out 4,5,6 people in one lighting spell. Hitting for +1000 damage. A monk can never equal that amount of firepower that fast, from range.
On Ghallanda we got a few monks, also have a pale, uses the stun and I rip him apart on my Necro, 9/10.
As with any other FvS, Cleric pale or not, = dead.

So... the list should have some 'slight rethinking' in my opinion.

After

AH! fool

whats the point of doing pvp when all you have to do is dance and nuke?

If this is your 'skilled way' of winning a fight, than i hope you stay on ghallanda

[Karell]

Don't get me wrong, they are pretty powerful. Especially when they change forms, add one of their shrouds, and become immune to a lot of stuff. But as much as it is their strength, that shroud becomes a heavy weakness against one class: Paladin.

Now then, this only works against someone in their shroud form. But a Paladins LoH hurts undead casters like this. And honestly, I laugh every time someone in their wraith form challenges me. That ion stone is useless, LoH isn't considered a spell. There is absolutely no save to half the damage. And it doesn't miss. I can use LoH 4 times. And with 18 paladin, and a +7 cha modifier, it hits for 252. Spamming this, in 4 seconds, I've done over 1k damage to a PM in shroud form.

If you come at me without it, yes, I lose the bonus. But that also makes you more vulnerable to those monks and other stuff lurking in the pit.

As I've said before, PM is good. Just when you shroud, watch out for those paladins. They can be pretty merciless to the undead. ;)

[heyytoi]

Don't get me wrong, they are pretty powerful. Especially when they change forms, add one of their shrouds, and become immune to a lot of stuff. But as much as it is their strength, that shroud becomes a heavy weakness against one class: Paladin.

Now then, this only works against someone in their shroud form. But a Paladins LoH hurts undead casters like this. And honestly, I laugh every time someone in their wraith form challenges me. That ion stone is useless, LoH isn't considered a spell. There is absolutely no save to half the damage. And it doesn't miss. I can use LoH 4 times. And with 18 paladin, and a +7 cha modifier, it hits for 252. Spamming this, in 4 seconds, I've done over 1k damage to a PM in shroud form.

If you come at me without it, yes, I lose the bonus. But that also makes you more vulnerable to those monks and other stuff lurking in the pit.

As I've said before, PM is good. Just when you shroud, watch out for those paladins. They can be pretty merciless to the undead. ;)



+1

This is a Huge weakness and im not sure lot of people knew about LOH and PM

Now its clear, PM isnt the pvp winner!!

I vote FvS!

I love you.

[Habreno]

And then I come along and while you are meleeing me you *suddenly* die a mysterious purple death filled with pain. And lots of bones being broken.

Clerics are greatly underestimated in the Pit. We cannot hold any WF, but do not forget that our light spells do double damage to undead, if I remember correctly. And if you are not a PM, we have Harm, Cometfall, plus a whole host of other goodies. I can neg you, then hold you while wielding my pair of heavy picks.
And should you survive a hold, I have death spells, plus my own melee. You can hit your Kukan-do all you want, I would like to see you outdamage my HoTs enough to kill me before your little stun wears off and I heal myself then kill you. I can heal over 60 damage every few seconds; about 19 every other second and 50 every 6th. And that's not something you can remove either, for those who love Break Enchantment.

TBH, Clerics are underrated in PvP. We have so many options nobody realizes. It only gets better the more we play. Monk? Your worst save is probably a fort save. Eat Implosion. Caster? Worst save will also be Fort. Have a Destruction. Melee? Stand still while I hold you and swing my own picks, giving autocrits (once again also stressing the importance of fortification... you will not believe how many melees I see in PvP at L20 having no fort...) to me and killing you quickly. Rangers? Your will will be low, and so will your fort... I can pick either one I want.

Easy as cake.

Yum, cake...


Point is that nobody is a perfect build for PvP. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. That bard in the corner may have an irresistable dance, but there's nothing he can do if I kill him first. That wizard trying to stun and death aura me will have a hard time outdamaging my own aura and outhealing it as well. Plus he will have an even harder time making the saves on Implosion, or Destruction. That Barbarian with that greataxe decides he wants a piece of me for his lunch. I decide he wants to be held and given a taste of his own medicine. That's when that monk puts his Kukan-Do stun on me and kills us both.


Enjoy your PvP.

One last note: I "play fair" when I am played fair with. I do not attack level 8s unless they attack me; 99% are smart enough not to attack a level 20. That level 20 monk that only attacks those who attack him will not be attacked unless he's the only one left. That barbarian running all over the place swinging at everything will eat a hold, encouraging him to stay still and quit attacking, and then will eat my picks AND a hold. The wizard in the corner picking off the Bards who try and make him dance will not get any attacks from me. Heck, I'm not going to be an idiot and kill someone who's indirectly helping me out.


There's a life to PvP, and the people in the arena will play their own way. You have to figure it out and capitalize on it, or join it.

[Xenus_Paradox]

Wait, this game has PVP?

[heyytoi]

Wait, this game has PVP?

Best joke ever. /facepalm

[Bodic]

its more like:

1. first to blind,crit,dance, sap or stun wins
2. you lost

[liltova]

Sorry, the Jacaroma Raid in PvP is very hard to complete, even with a full party...


There is a certain Clonk in there who seems to know how to get rid of Ioun Stones pretty quick.... Even "The Best" can't stand up to him under the right circumstances... >.>

These two..

Shocklore and Xzlon.

Wayy wayy wayy too much drama on the Khyber Server when things come to PvP.

[Elucidus]

I can't tell you how often I see a 4th or 8th level character go down there to see what all the excitement is about only to get wiped by someone two or three times their level. That is just stupid.

Of course, sometimes I just stand at the top and mess with things by healing someone. Just because I can.

[BlackyLigar]

1) Shintao Monk - able to stun anybody instantly with high DC Kukan Do or Tomb of Jade, closes quickly and kills.


i completely disagree. i've yet to meet a monk that can dps a stunned but blocking toon before guards proc and kill said monk. that or the toon survives the attack with little damage to self heal and counter attack.

vitualy all melee is at the bottom of this list as not being able to kill before a proc besides a barbarion. tho, a barb does actualy have to catch u first :) still far more dangerous than any monk i've seen.

[DDO_User1]

This is my list:

1) Any ranger build with a lit2 bow and ioun stone. This is far and away the most devastating PVP build.

2) Any ranger build that has an ioun stone and a stat damage bow or slayer arrows.

3) WF Sorcerer with Wizard Past Life. The faster casting speed make them superior to wizards.

4) WF Wizard with Wizard Past Life

5) Arcane archer build with no ioun stone

6) Wizard or Sorcerer builds that have PW:S / Ottos

7) Virtuoso Bard. Their song of capering/enthrall is easily countered with a Battered Phiarlan Shield.

8) Melee build that has a stat damaging throwing axe

[Majere_Aumar]

7) Virtuoso Bard. Their song of capering/enthrall is easily countered with a Battered Phiarlan Shield.

The description says it absorbs enchantments "spells", can u confirm it absorbs songs too?

Also, your first 2 choices are bow users, how do they use a shield and a bow at the same time to counter the bard? A bard can dance anyone the very instant they enter the pit and through walls ... are your top 3 choices going to be able to counter that?

[NaturalHazard]

Also; if you're looking for honorable PvP...erm...don't come to Khyber. There's no one but me here with that mindset. :D

theres honourable pvp? :confused::confused:

[NaturalHazard]

speed kills.

[hityawithastick]

These two..

Shocklore and Xzlon.

Wayy wayy wayy too much drama on the Khyber Server when things come to PvP.

Fought with and against both. MOAR DRAMA PLOX. :D

[Heleen]

10) Melee Builds (Paladins, Fighters, Barbs, non-Shintao Monks, Rogues)

Like, if the Melee is good he can wipe the PvP.

[Heleen]

(pws/dance is not pvp..)

That's not true and it's a stupid stupid comment.
Stun and dance actually creates the best battles PvP has to offer and the most astounding wins with 1 Hp when someone has danced you and isn't paying attention, or the stun.

There is no rule book on PvP for that matter.
Now as far as monk being on Nr.1, hmmm....

Palemasters FTW. + Ion Stone.
Monk can stun but not get through all the guards when he melee's.
FvS's rule PvP? You should come to Ghallanda, we show you how it's done.

Give me a few good FvS's or clerics against a skillfull necro with a pale.
Their all f'd, evasion no evasion. And I got a full fvs myself their awesome.
In the end the player makes the build and it's the player that makes the skill.
You can have a completionist WF Caster still being pwned by a human sorcerer.

As for the Shintoa monk being on Nr.1, it's not true, entirely.
Monk is a melee build.
A caster can take out 4,5,6 people in one lighting spell. Hitting for +1000 damage. A monk can never equal that amount of firepower that fast, from range.
On Ghallanda we got a few monks, also have a pale, uses the stun and I rip him apart on my Necro, 9/10.
As with any other FvS, Cleric pale or not, = dead.

So... the list should have some 'slight rethinking' in my opinion.

After

Pale Masters can't heal themselves with Energy burst or Aura while they have Ioun Stones. Or the Pale will get to 0. And like DEADLY act.

They get double damage vs Lich, Wraith, Zombie and Vampire.

Very easy to kill with a good Divine Caster Build. ;)

[ThePrincipal]

each build has its weakness

manyshot builds will find that against an AC tank they cant do anything - miss miss miss miss miss

pws/dance builds will get ganked by AAs all day long

sprint boosting barb will eat a hold or dance everytime but not before ripping apart the unaware

AC tanks will flail around to trip a caster who is jumping backwards hurrling missles and rays

in the end, the most successful builds in the pit are the ones with the most friends.

[ALUEN]

Well i spend lot of time inventing good pvp char.. so let me share my exp with u.(*)

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To those who just roam forums to find out about some utra pvp build, i tell u most of it its a ****.. Majority of the peoples posts are just pure speculations.. The fact is, that every toon is suited for the player in his own specific way and u must get used to it in a 1st place and then develop your own efficient tactics..PvP is far behind the theory, but there are some basics..
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So back to the topic..


I played and capped for pvp>>>

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WF sorc con based acid sorc, pretty ultimate and very easy*(nooby:) to pwn with.
Vs light monks (no chance if monk is faster with kukan or u win - earth grab, or pws.. but usualy monk got better chances even in stash cause kukan got nearly no range..)
Vs other arcane (spellspam contest, arcanes with force/magic etc missiles, depleting your pale are problem but u usually got higher hp + earthgrab)
VS caperring (1st time u die 2nd time u got shield rdy)
VS AA+other range (not an issue, spells for pale depleting + u got far better nuke, hp, disable and selfheal)
VS fvs (u can rid of his pale sooner + again dragonbolt,pws etc.. problematic can be only wings + enviroment

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BARD
>>>imo just a funny build which pwn all unexperience players, but your rein will end soon as they will find out the secret..(but usually u can draw firstblood)

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Hobbit(*this race was rly just for flavour+saves, but ofc sucks, cause of hp)
Pm18/2rog (later respeced for 2 monk to gain more hp)

Pms along with mages got biggest advantage in ability to utilize and choose the right spells (*u may never imagine how effective is lvl1 grease in tight corner :) + undead immunities which are the best in a game

Dissadvantages: Basicaly no pale ussage, + imo healing cappabilities(* if u think what an bull*s, necro healing capabilities are supreme, yea but not that much in pvp.. 1st> even that both aura stacks (i bet 80per lame players dont know this) which is rly nice and helpfull agains AA or if ur in a ground.. But for pvp u mostly need burst heal, and thats the main prob, his burst is lot of slower than reconstruck or heal and from my experience this moment crucial..
(some1 mentioned pala.. well any arcane can dissable pala in a second, and kill in a second one..)

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(in phase of testing, he is currently lvl19)
dwarf 18fvs/2monk
Well i thought how cool is this build and only thing i found out is how i was wrong..

Advantages: cool against lame necros:) absolutely not working against pro necros :(
(1st option they got pale too and can deplete your faster 2nd option they are WF with pale),
Had decent chances by outpositioning oponents with wings (this may be propably your biggest advantage if u wana beat arcane)

Dissadvantages> spell selection !!
>every skilled arcane will deplete your pale faster and then ur done against his spell selection(*and yes i have wizz pastlife feat - its not fast enought..), only chance u had is mess his head with wings+magic missiles+Dv+searing l.+ deific v., cause this are the fastest spells u can start with and u spam them cross your cd, if u think how avesome is put people in a ground with meteor, i ll bring one of my toons toon and u can try all the day long.. Point is that u rly miss dissable on him *(im planning to try stuning fist cause i can reach rly decent dc closing to 50, but I think this one will be just a cra*p.. cause its rly poor chance i ll land a hit again some crazy bunnyhopping arcane spamming spells into my *ss)
And on top of that what irritates me the most..even AA with pale can own u..

..no need to mention light monks

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I hope these notes will be helpful for those who went on pvp road.

1st> From my experience is now light monk the strongest, but i believe this is only temporal, cause usually items with saves will go up and they are more frequent in a game than tactical items for dc..

2nd> Mage(any, but WF ofc) is most versatile cause of spellselection + healburst
3rd> Wf con based Sorc (best acid cause of earth grab +dragonbolt, cold polars are slow, comparing to other ray spell animations+cold is easier to ressist,and same goes for fire, lightning got problem with evasion, niac bitting and edgar ele dont have inicial ticks + they can be removed in a chance 1:2.5)WF sorcs are for lames and very noobie friendly to build and play. If u want to dominate pick this. Because they are so easy they can basicaly share 2nd place as well..
4rth> AA+capering bards
5th> FVS :( **
6th> Barbs !!!with epic lvls (they can instakill u pretty easy (dmg500+ noncrit)..

(Tukaw builds + similar nonsense, pls get over with this history..)









(* In my pvp experience im not talking about lame oponents which fall under your noncrit ofensive spell, dont have deathblock or blind imunity items/pots/pale etc.. or u just kill them by cometfall.. :)

(**if u got some rly special tactics on fvs that u could share with me, pm me pls.. Cause just for now im decided that 5th life on my pvp toon will be necro again..

[shadereaper33]

15 months? seriously?

[ALUEN]

U mean the date of my first forum registration.. ? well yea a bit late, im not very chit-chat theory person.. 1st thing i found out about forums is that they are usually full of cra*p. But this topic is very close to me and i wanted to share it with pvp community

Ammased experience from pvp in DDO could be over 3 years.. (daily) ..to rectify your irony
+ i dont proclaim that im mr. all knowing if u or anyboady else will be heading to that way.. just shared my point of wiew

[shadereaper33]

U mean the date of my first forum registration.. ? well yea a bit late, im not very chit-chat theory person.. 1st thing i found out about forums is that they are full of cra*p. But this topic is very close to me and i wanted to share it with pvp community

Ammased experience from pvp in DDO could be over 3 years.. (daily)


*and i dont proclaim that im mr. all knowing if u or anyboady else will be heading to that way.. just shared my point of wiew

no, I meant how much you necroed this thread by. check the post date of the post directly above yours. April 15th, 2011. 15 months ago.

[ALUEN]

no, I meant how much you necroed this thread by. check the post date of the post directly above yours. April 15th, 2011. 15 months ago.

Lol then im sorry, was a bit hastly taken .. well its as i typed, im not very forum oriented :) this one is propably my biggest post..

[Ssdprref]

Well i spend lot of time inventing good pvp char.. so let me share my exp with u.(*)

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To those who just roam forums to find out about some utra pvp build, i tell u most of it its a ****.. Majority of the peoples posts are just pure speculations.. The fact is, that every toon is suited for the player in his own specific way and u must get used to it in a 1st place and then develop your own efficient tactics..PvP is far behind the theory, but there are some basics..
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So back to the topic..


I played and capped for pvp>>>

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WF sorc con based acid sorc, pretty ultimate and very easy*(nooby:) to pwn with.
Vs light monks (no chance if monk is faster with kukan or u win - earth grab, or pws.. but usualy monk got better chances even in stash cause kukan got nearly no range..)
Vs other arcane (spellspam contest, arcanes with force/magic etc missiles, depleting your pale are problem but u usually got higher hp + earthgrab)
VS caperring (1st time u die 2nd time u got shield rdy)
VS AA+other range (not an issue, spells for pale depleting + u got far better nuke, hp, disable and selfheal)
VS fvs (u can rid of his pale sooner + again dragonbolt,pws etc.. problematic can be only wings + enviroment

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BARD
>>>imo just a funny build which pwn all unexperience players, but your rein will end soon as they will find out the secret..(but usually u can draw firstblood)

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Hobbit(*this race was rly just for flavour+saves, but ofc sucks, cause of hp)
Pm18/2rog (later respeced for 2 monk to gain more hp)

Pms along with mages got biggest advantage in ability to utilize and choose the right spells (*u may never imagine how effective is lvl1 grease in tight corner :) + undead immunities which are the best in a game

Dissadvantages: Basicaly no pale ussage, + imo healing cappabilities(* if u think what an bull*s, necro healing capabilities are supreme, yea but not that much in pvp.. 1st> even that both aura stacks (i bet 80per lame players dont know this) which is rly nice and helpfull agains AA or if ur in a ground.. But for pvp u mostly need burst heal, and thats the main prob, his burst is lot of slower than reconstruck or heal and from my experience this moment crucial..
(some1 mentioned pala.. well any arcane can dissable pala in a second, and kill in a second one..)

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(in phase of testing, he is currently lvl19)
dwarf 18fvs/2monk
Well i thought how cool is this build and only thing i found out is how i was wrong..

Advantages: cool against lame necros:) absolutely not working against pro necros :(
(1st option they got pale too and can deplete your faster 2nd option they are WF with pale),
Had decent chances by outpositioning oponents with wings (this may be propably your biggest advantage if u wana beat arcane)

Dissadvantages> spell selection !!
>every skilled arcane will deplete your pale faster and then ur done against his spell selection(*and yes i have wizz pastlife feat - its not fast enought..), only chance u had is mess his head with wings+magic missiles+Dv+searing l.+ deific v., cause this are the fastest spells u can start with and u spam them cross your cd, if u think how avesome is put people in a ground with meteor, i ll bring one of my toons toon and u can try all the day long.. Point is that u rly miss dissable on him *(im planning to try stuning fist cause i can reach rly decent dc closing to 50, but I think this one will be just a cra*p.. cause its rly poor chance i ll land a hit again some crazy bunnyhopping arcane spamming spells into my *ss)
And on top of that what irritates me the most..even AA with pale can own u..

..no need to mention light monks

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I hope these notes will be helpful for those who went on pvp road.

1st> From my experience is now light monk the strongest, but i believe this is only temporal, cause usually items with saves will go up and they are more frequent in a game than tactical items for dc..

2nd> Mage(any, but WF ofc) is most versatile cause of spellselection + healburst
3rd> Wf con based Sorc (best acid cause of earth grab +dragonbolt, cold polars are slow, comparing to other ray spell animations+cold is easier to ressist,and same goes for fire, lightning got problem with evasion, niac bitting and edgar ele dont have inicial ticks + they can be removed in a chance 1:2.5)WF sorcs are for lames and very noobie friendly to build and play. If u want to dominate pick this. Because they are so easy they can basicaly share 2nd place as well..
4rth> AA+capering bards
5th> FVS :( **
6th> Barbs !!!with epic lvls (they can instakill u pretty easy (dmg500+ noncrit)..

(Tukaw builds + similar nonsense, pls get over with this history..)









(* In my pvp experience im not talking about lame oponents which fall under your noncrit ofensive spell, dont have deathblock or blind imunity items/pots/pale etc.. or u just kill them by cometfall.. :)

(**if u got some rly special tactics on fvs that u could share with me, pm me pls.. Cause just for now im decided that 5th life on my pvp toon will be necro again..


1ST FV'S
2 Barbs
3rd Monk with their gimpy Everything is nothing.

[AegonTargaryen]

I thought I should throw in a few things you guys have overlooked.

1. Meteor swarm clickies. Easy and cheap to make, now you can wipe out ioun stones with any class.

2. Barbs with ioun stones. House P pendant + sprint boost = SUPER fast. They will catch you. With FotW's adrenaline, you only need to hit em once or twice, even if you have 600-700 hp, as that first adrenaline hit usually hits for 500+ hp, not including burst effects like frenzy dmg.

3. Fatesingers also now get siren's song, which is usually a death sentence without a house p cloak.

[JasonJi72]

Even though you necro'd the heck out of it, your post was informative, and relevant to the thread.

[cdbd3rd]

Even though you necro'd the heck out of it, your post was informative, and relevant to the thread.

That post, unfortunately, winds up being lost on page 3 of the thread, and most folks will mistakenly just reply to the ancient OP.
Would've been a better move to start a new thread with that post, and just link/reference this old thread for it's relevance to the new one.