remove turbine point price of outfit changingroom

[khangharu]

I know 1 TP seems cheap but its pointless really. Is there no way to just make it 0 TP, or free in some other way? Personally I wouldn't spend 1 TP when everything in the store is sold in multiples of 5 TP anyways, this just turns 4 TP inert and useless except for buying 4 more temporary kits. Sure 4 TP isn't a whole lot, but this also means that, for example, you want to buy a 550TP item on the store you will have to have 25 more TP the listed price to buy it(549 TP won't work, you need 574 at the least). While this isn't a huge problem, it seems like one that could be avoidable

[jafafa]

Its 1 turbine point. 1. Uno. One. not gonna kill you. just buy 4 more like you said. sheesh. Crybaby.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Its 1 turbine point. 1. Uno. One. not gonna kill you. just buy 4 more like you said. sheesh. Crybaby.

I dunno, that means that 5TP is he talking about wasting probably cost a full 3 cents. I'm sure 3cents is very important and if he dropped it on the floor he would stop and pick it up.

[silvertrit]

can you donate to my college fund as you seem so full of money to mock someone not wnating to waste a drop of it randomly?

GEt of your high horse if your so **** rich the rest of us arnt so lucky .

[Lorien_the_First_One]

can you donate to my college fund as you seem so full of money to mock someone not wnating to waste a drop of it randomly?

GEt of your high horse if your so **** rich the rest of us arnt so lucky .

If 3 cents is the difference between going to college and not, in all seriousness you should quit the game immediately and not buy one more TP. If 3cents will do you in, the $1-2 for the actual cosmetic item is clearly unaffordable. So stop paying into a video game, and start saving for college if you are seriously that tight. As it is, it would seem unlikely you will have enough for college.

If 3 cents won't make or break you, then stop with the "college fund" as an excuse.

[r3dl4nce]

You don't have to pay.
Make a new character. Reach 100 favor. VoikÃ* 25 TP, that is 25 previews for you.

[Jaid314]

or just, y'know, head on over to lammania and try on 1,000 different suits a day. so crazy it just might work!

[MRH]

So would this work in RL?

Mall's / clothing shops charge you $.50 -$1 for each item you want to try-on in the dressing room.

dang not the red one...the blue one....wait the green one... thats $3 please

omg watch out when your women go out shopping ! lol


OP ~ grind another char on another server you will have enough tp's to test some out

[Geodude07]

If 3 cents is the difference between going to college and not, in all seriousness you should quit the game immediately and not buy one more TP. If 3cents will do you in, the $1-2 for the actual cosmetic item is clearly unaffordable. So stop paying into a video game, and start saving for college if you are seriously that tight. As it is, it would seem unlikely you will have enough for college.

If 3 cents won't make or break you, then stop with the "college fund" as an excuse.

Just because its an almost laughable amount doesnt mean its necessary, I mean its not like you can run outside with the test armor and actually use it for anything. It is a pointless price. It is quite a high horse to say that someone is being a crybaby when they simply request that money they are earning not be wasted of something needless. I personally think 1tp isnt really an issue but I can also widen my perspective enough to see the issue it presents and realize it would just be better free....Of course there may be some legitimate reason, perhaps nothing can cost less than 1 tp in the store I dunno

[donfilibuster]

Price aside, you can't compare two suits because you can't switch robes as you can only wear one at a time.
You can't change instance either if too many bulky orcs arrive and clutter the mirror.
Granted you can't do a photoshoot while probing clothes in RL but still.

[BDS]

So would this work in RL?

Mall's / clothing shops charge you $.50 -$1 for each item you want to try-on in the dressing room.

dang not the red one...the blue one....wait the green one... thats $3 please


This is the same take I have on the subject matter. No matter the cost I find charging you to try on a product that you might not even purchase ridiculous. I will not be buying any armor kits as long as this method is in effect. If you have similar feelings I hope you won't as well.

[frznvimes]

... if you're going to stand on principal over something as petty as a penny (which may in fact have been given to you for free while playing the game anyway), what must it be like to deal with you irl?

While this isn't a huge problem, it seems like one that could be avoidableAlthough I disagree with the op's assessment that this is a problem (and I don't really care either way), I respect that they kept a sense perspective on something that they didn't like and made a suggestion in a reasonable manner. +1
Some of the rest of you are just nuts.

Crybaby.This is also overreacting, btw.

[NadgersFishtoaster]

I think lammania is the solution here.

Download the front end, copy across your character and try out looks for free - being careful not to choose ones that have not been made available on the live servers yet.

As for the mirrors, you do know you can rotate your character with respect to your camera using the number pad? Not for long mind you but long enough to get a look at your new kit.

[AZgreentea]

Didnt Lamania shut down on the 15th? I saw the announcement, but I never checked.

I find spending 1 TP more frustrating than bank breaking. I dont like the idea of being nickled and dimed (or pennied) to death buying things. Sure, I only spent 4 TP on this armor, but when I get another armor I might have to spend 4 more TP to find the right one. What about when they introduce more than just the armor we saw on Lam, and what about the 10 other characters I have?

1 TP every time I want to preview the armor really adds up when you start multiplying it across several characters and armors.

[dunklezhan]

Agree with the sentiments of many here - its the principle of the thing, not the cost (the high cost for a one off choice from a fixed list is what stops me buying the armour skins in the first place, never mind actually previewing them...).

1TP is practically nothing, but why should we have to pay anything for it? I suspect the store software has to have a price attached and I would certainly hope they're working on fixing that with all speed - not that its going to make me indulge in the armour cosmetics approach they've chosen because on this one they chose.... poorly, in my opinion, on the whole approach.

In the meantime, I'm not sure why they didn't make an attempt to reuse the Sir Pointsalot mechanism and just give the armour preview NPC the ability to provide you with 1 point that can only be used for one type of purchase - that technology exists in LOTRO because they give you a quest early on where you get 10TPs which can only be spent on the quest item in question which you then hand in. This gives you some XP as well because it's a quest hand in, but that's by the by: its clearly a blatant marketing ploy of 'look! we have a shop! See how easy it is to use! Buy things! Buy things now!' but the point is that like so much else, the technology exists over in LOTRO.

Since the LOTRO shop was developed after the DDO one, I'm surprised they didn't develop code that would easily work in both.

Anyway, /signed, for what its worth.

[AMDarkwolf]

Most grindy shop run games, which turbine is trying to emulate here, DO allow u to preview any item u can wear in the item shop. Why is that a problem?

Yes its a single tp, but thats not the point. I Agree with the OP. It is not saying he can't afford it, and that isn't the point anyways.

/signed.

[Kalde]

I tried all 4 kits, and didn't like any of them. Basic look was better then the preview ones. At least on the outfit I had on at the time. So I decided to pass on the kit.
Since I'm using Deathblock + (anything) outfits/robes, I could buy a dozen of them and maybe find a combination that's in character with my toon. But how much TPs would it cost me to find the good one?

Maybe they could switch the shop preview fee into coins? 100 (or 1000) plat for preview? That would make it more tempting for players to play around with kits and armors until they hit that "wow, looks awesome" combination for their toon.

/signed

[TheHolyDarkness]

/signed

Also, I want the ability to preview helmets now as well. And finally, make sure all the helmets in the store are truly DECORATIVE.

I wanted to check the royal lines with the Lucky Green Hat. Of course, you can't preview hats. Finally I caved. I decided to just buy the 95 TP item to see what it'd look like.

Turns out, that hat isn't decorative anyway. It was meant to be my justification for spending TP on cosmetics at all! I decided to preview the rest of the suits again just to confirm would I would look like in this hat that's apparently not decorative anyway, but the redundancy must of eroded an extra 10-15 TP. At any rate, if its possible to make it zero, make it zero.

Expand the preview system to include other items.

And don't deceive people with DDOStore helmets that aren't decorative. I was ripped off. If you are going to have non-decorative helmets in the COSMETICS section rather than the Weapons-and-Gear Section, and NOT put a BIG BOLD WARNING that such items like the Lucky Green Hat do NOT function as cosmetic attachments, then that's simply fraudulent marketing right there if I've ever seen it.

I'm not askiing for a refund or anything (being the nice guy that I am, I'll settle with showing even less trust and respect for the implementation of your store tyvm), but be decent for crying out loud Turbine.

~TheHolyDarkness Out~

P.S. for more on the gaffs of Turbine's Store, check sig. The DDOStore, the fly-in-the-ointment of an otherwise stellar developer as far as I'm concerned.

[Ganolyn]

I dunno, that means that 5TP is he talking about wasting probably cost a full 3 cents. I'm sure 3cents is very important and if he dropped it on the floor he would stop and pick it up.

Seems to be enough money for Turbine to rifle through our pockets looking for spare change.

[Emili]

If 3 cents is the difference between going to college and not, in all seriousness you should quit the game immediately and not buy one more TP. If 3cents will do you in, the $1-2 for the actual cosmetic item is clearly unaffordable. So stop paying into a video game, and start saving for college if you are seriously that tight. As it is, it would seem unlikely you will have enough for college.

If 3 cents won't make or break you, then stop with the "college fund" as an excuse.
While is just a few cents you'd have to admit is a funny model for a store... obviously you'd not pay someone to preview items in any other store nor buy blindly. I think the fact leaves uneven TP bothers him most yet I understand many would look at the principle of purchasing items just to look at it - no matter what price, it hinges almost like pyramid scheme in some minds am sure.

[Draccus]

GEt of your high horse if your so **** rich the rest of us arnt so lucky .

Luck has nothing to do with it. ;)

[Bekki]

I am not a Dev and I don't play one on TV... :p

But here is my take...

Each outfit will have an associated location in the store...
I believe the 1Tp is just a tracking feature to make sure
you get the desired skin that you wish to try on...

Yes; if you continuously try on outfit after outfit will it add up?

certainly... :eek:

But in the grand scheme of things I think this is a very minor thing.
And I don't have any Major heartache over spending on credit to try one on...

This may also be a temporary thing, until such time
as they(the devs) perfect the Outfit vendor and you can eventually
try them all on free of Charge while in the Outfit vendor...

I think the went this route for now because the wanted to get us
what we have so desperately clamored for...

and this was the quickest way to get out to the masses...

[dunklezhan]

I think the went this route for now because the wanted to get us
what we have so desperately clamored for...

and this was the quickest way to get out to the masses...

A clear case of needing more haste and less speed.

Because what they ultimately gave out to the masses is by and large - based on most (by no means all) forum feedback I've read - pretty much exactly what the community did not want.

Legislate at speed, repent at leisure.

[Lorz]

can you donate to my college fund as you seem so full of money to mock someone not wnating to waste a drop of it randomly?

GEt of your high horse if your so **** rich the rest of us arnt so lucky .

If $0.03 is that important to you...why are you wasting any time playing online games. you cannot afford this.
If you are that tight on budget...you need to be out taking care of business and not screwing around playing video games.


that's the problem with your whole argument......if you are making it ..... Then you can't afford to play this game. Get real. If it is that tight for you....you don't need to be playing. Focus on whats important and quite playing games....and soon you will e able to afford to play games. It is not the other way around.

[MRH]

What we need is to be able to customize our own items not "here are new items we customized for you "

color picker is on creation screen. why cant something like that be used to customize colors?

[AZgreentea]

What if they did it like the Airship Vendor? I'm sure it would not be weird to have a vendor in the Marketplace or one of the Houses that let you preview the armors. You could have the dolls arranged around the store and you can cycle through the different sets like you can cycle through the different airships (the one with the tiny captain in the middle of the room).

This would be especially helpful when we end up with 50+ different types of armor skins. You can simply add to the items in the cycle. I picture it like this:

In the room is a series of mannequins wearing a specific armor type (The armors aren't different based on Race, are they?). You can walk up to the one wearing the type of armor you are wearing (or not, whatever) and cycle through all of the different armor kits for that armor. You might need some extras because of the whole "Armor has a skirt" issue, but that shouldnt be a problem.

**EDIT
Just to be clear, its not the COST of the preview that bugs me, its the fact that I have to pay to preview something. Like Emili said, imagine if you had to pay ten cents to walk into the clothing section of Walmart? Would you keep walking? Would that encourage or discourage you to buy clothes there? Having to pay to even see the armors make me not want them because I dont want to buy something sight unseen and I dont want to pay to look at it.

[donfilibuster]

1-4 tp is practically nothing... for one toon, with one armor.

cost was 34 tp while testing the eight designs once, then the two of choice on robe, outfit, drapes, light, med, hvy, then the same two on the elf, drow, halfling, human and orc, then trying two again on the toon of choice, then trying two again on another armor when thinking the one you play with was not looking good.

final expense, 184 tp, in name of elven belly buttons.

but saved 100 tp by liking the 150 over the 250 ones, saved 200 more by not finding outfits in the store (there's only robes) and saved 150 tp by not finding a hat to match in the store.

[darkniteyogi]

What we need is to be able to customize our own items not "here are new items we customized for you "

color picker is on creation screen. why cant something like that be used to customize colors?

i was expecting something more like this when i heard of the new feature coming out..
or even just simple looking armor with different colors. i was disappointed buying the first blue/red set because they were stylized. they didn't look 'custom'. they just looked like blue and red armor.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

While is just a few cents you'd have to admit is a funny model for a store... obviously you'd not pay someone to preview items in any other store nor buy blindly. I think the fact leaves uneven TP bothers him most yet I understand many would look at the principle of purchasing items just to look at it - no matter what price, it hinges almost like pyramid scheme in some minds am sure.



I agree that you should be allowed a preview for free, the problem is worse with hair colour and hair style where there is no preview.

It is however pretty clear to me that they can't have a 0TP offer on the store, it needs SOME transaction value. If that wasn't true, I think we would have seen some 0TP lama items during previews.

My tone in the post you quoted was mainly reacting to not the principle statement but the "OMG you have to help me with my college fund if you can affort to throw abound 3 cents" post, which was totally bonkers.

But in the end... its one TP. This is worse than the people complaining they want a refund because the game went down for 12 hours.

[Propane]

I don't mind the 1 TP...

I would gladly pay the 1 TP to test hair styles and colors as well....

[Cyr]

Jeez I don't know what the big deal is.

I know I pay a buck or so (about the same percentage of purchase price as the DDO store) every time I try stuff on before buying it in real life. I also throw down some cash every time I'm in the grocery store and they have those samples to try them out, whenever I see a movie I know that I pay extra to watch previews for upcoming movies, and my wife spends tons of cash at the cosmetics counter trying on new shades.

I mean really guys, if all these business's let you try this stuff out for free how would they ever make money on you? Clearly there is no financial return that they could expect based upon merely getting you interested in their product. Turbine is just following standard business practices in this regard.

Just imagine how much money Turbine would lose if they for example made parts of the game free to play so you could try it out for free or offered limited time trial memberships.

[Musouka]

All this drama aside...

The principle about not wasting money is a good principle to have. However, don't complain about the price of things. Stick to your principle and just don't buy anything no matter the cost, unless it will actually benefit your gameplay. So cosmetic armors aren't for you right now, get over it and quit complaining about not being able to manipulate your armor in a specific location.

What's next? You want a free Res cake from Korthos, and not want to spend 5TP? That is much like a preview of an item that DDO store offers.

Also, this game was once p2p only. Can't really get mad at people for actually paying for this game, or even throwing extra money into this game on useless stuff like cosmetic armors. Just because they stated the simplest solution, doesn't make them high and mighty. The simplest solution is to buy more points, otherwise you have to make another toon on other servers and start grinding away.

[Samiusbot]

Have the preview kits cost 1 tp and have the kits themselves be fairly cheep.

Or

Have the preview kits be free and that the perm kits cost 300-400 points or more?

I would rather spend a few Tp on previews and pay less for the real kit. We have to pay for the cost of the temp kits some place. And really the way it is cost us players less.

If you style X you might spend 5-25Tp trying all the different kits on the by 4 copies of a given kit at 250tp a kit vs pay 0 to find a kit you like and paying 300 tp a kit. 1005 tp vs 1200 tp.

[NadgersFishtoaster]

Look on the bright side, if the one Turbine Point cost to preview an armour customisation kit is too much for some people then customisation will be rarer and people prepared to pay the small costs to preview and buy them will look even more distinctive.

I don't see much interest in buying such a set for Nadgers but I was struck by the beauty of a set of armour worn by a female elf or half-elf character in-game while passing.

If I could be persuaded that I could find a respectable appearance for a halfling rogue then I would experiment but I suspect that the current models are for the, ahem, more concerned about appearance than a credible, practical style for stealth.

As for Lammania - it is a test server and it will probably be down until the developers have more content to test, especially if experiments like armour customisation pay off.

[donfilibuster]

Look on the bright side, if the one Turbine Point cost to preview an armour customisation kit is too much for some people then customisation will be rarer and people prepared to pay the small costs to preview and buy them will look even more distinctive.

Except the bright side is a bit hard to see when people has been requesting basic customization of armor, maybe for years.
But then again f2p can spend a few hours grinding tp.

[Matuse]

1 tp is extortionate, I don't care how it relates to real money, or gaining favor. I'll never buy or preview any of the armor types while it remains that way.

[Fenrisulven6]

Just because its an almost laughable amount doesnt mean its necessary, I mean its not like you can run outside with the test armor and actually use it for anything. It is a pointless price ...Of course there may be some legitimate reason, perhaps nothing can cost less than 1 tp in the store I dunno

I think you answered your own question there.

[NadgersFishtoaster]

Except the bright side is a bit hard to see when people has been requesting basic customization of armor, maybe for years.
But then again f2p can spend a few hours grinding tp.

Then you have received what you have been asking for and if people don't use what they have requested then they can't expect many other requests to be fulfilled.

[Gorbadoc]

DDO has a spectrum of price points. We show our approval or disapproval of the game and its pricing with our wallets, choosing the price/benefit position where we find the game worth it.

I buy the argument that some things should not cost money. When I band together with a bunch of people, I don't want it to matter who is or isn't paying for the game. I want people to respect me for the fact that I built and played my character well, NOT for the fact that I'm paying for the game.

I haven't seen any arguments like this in this thread, though. I'm seeing people for whom an armor sampler is not worth 1 TP. It's a nominal fee, but I can understand the sentiment. I don't buy McDonald's hamburgers despite their low price, because for me, the burger is not worth any amount of money. That's personal preference, though. There are reasons to criticize McDonald's, but the fact that they aren't catering to me isn't one of them.

If these 1 TP armor samplers are somehow hurting the game, I'd like to hear about it. I just haven't seen a convincing argument so far a that they are.

[jafafa]

Loving how i lost rep for that. thanks bud!

[donfilibuster]

Then you have received what you have been asking for and if people don't use what they have requested then they can't expect many other requests to be fulfilled.

Might depend on the definition of customization, some of which involve 'personal preferences'.
So technically cosmetic items fill that word a bit since you are modifying your armor and have a choice of using or not using.
Yet again people surely were thinking more about tweaking them to liking, like with color, in which case no, we still don't have a choice.

[megathon]

Price aside, you can't compare two suits because you can't switch robes as you can only wear one at a time.
You can't change instance either if too many bulky orcs arrive and clutter the mirror.
Granted you can't do a photoshoot while probing clothes in RL but still.

Actually. these days you can since cell phones come with cameras or if you carry around a small digital camera. :)

[Nerate_Mireth]

Here's a thought....go back to the main forums listing...go to the Lammnia section and there's an ARMOR KIT PRIEVIEW or something like that. Click on that and there's a post with ALL the kits for both male and female toons based on armor type (robe, outfit, light, medium, heavy, docent). Look at those and decide which you like best.

Cost: a few minutes of your time
Savings: priceless (well ok...3 cents)

[etla]

Price aside, you can't compare two suits because you can't switch robes as you can only wear one at a time.
You can't change instance either if too many bulky orcs arrive and clutter the mirror.
Granted you can't do a photoshoot while probing clothes in RL but still.

The best way to try on armour kits is to put them on and then log out. The kit is applied on the character selection screen and is well lit with no distracting orcs. Spin the character and take as many screen shots as you want (CTRL+P still works on the character selection screen). Rinse lather repeat until you have previewed all the armour combinations you are considering.

[BLugas]

Loving how i lost rep for that. thanks bud!

Welcome to the rock bottom.
We are all subject to the worthless cliques that players make. I for instance, have -95 neg rep because of them.
Really...People are spreading the pain inflicted upon them out of malice, or anger, thus perpetuating the cycle. Here they were thaught to neg rep someone just because they disagree with them, they seek to spread the pain, rather than prevent it: They were hurt- and are now hurting others in return, for they were thaught that that is the wheel that moves the world...

[Gorbadoc]

I dunno. I thought both Jafafa's post and the OP could have been a bit more productive. Rather than neg rep anyone, though, I posted a reply with what I thought were the important issues here. I mean, seriously, they weren't all that bad, and their respective annoyances were at least understandable.

[BLugas]

I dunno. I thought both Jafafa's post and the OP could have been a bit more productive. Rather than neg rep anyone, though, I posted a reply with what I thought were the important issues here. I mean, seriously, they weren't all that bad, and their respective annoyances were at least understandable.
That wasn't directed to you.
It was directed to everyone who thinks that their will is the only one that matters, these people are toxic to society.

[Bladedge]

Turbine has the ability to add a "try now" button they use it in LotRO. cost 0 tp to preview cosmetic items.

Turbine has the ability to have store items drop in chest, trade ins and giveaways has lottery items with out charging tp. Cost 0 tp.

They could of set up a vendor npc that sells preview armor kits for gold/plat that could of been a new little plat sink. Cost 0 tp.

Instead they charge 1 tp to preview the armor. To all those that say its only a few cents , it adds up after a while. It starts out as a few cents then a few dollars and so on. Then it becomes the acceptable norm because your as the players help turbine justify their charge of that 1 tp.

[Gorbadoc]

Instead they charge 1 tp to preview the armor. To all those that say its only a few cents , it adds up after a while. It starts out as a few cents then a few dollars and so on. Then it becomes the acceptable norm because your as the players help turbine justify their charge of that 1 tp.

I'm not sure what you have in mind when you say "and so on". You went from a few cents to a few dollars, suggesting people might go from trying on a few outfits on to trying a few hundred outfits on. If the progression here is that you're increasing by factors of 100, the "and so on" would have to mean that people spend hundreds of dollars to try on tens of thousands of outfits. If Turbine makes an outfit-sampling system that's SO AWESOME that people want to try on that many outfits, I say let them charge whatever they like; such a system sounds absolutely amazing.

Edit: Of course, you maybe just meant that it goes from a few dollars (for trying on a few hundred outfits-- and already, if Turbine sells that many samplers to a single person, well done! The skins must actually be worth looking at!) to a few dollars more. I'd be okay with that. I'd pay five bucks for an appearance system with hundreds or thousands of good options, and the appearance system would have to be that good before I'd go spending hundreds of Turbine Points on samplers.

[BLugas]

I'm not sure what you have in mind when you say "and so on". You went from a few cents to a few dollars, suggesting people might go from trying on a few outfits on to trying a few hundred outfits on. If the progression here is that you're increasing by factors of 100, the "and so on" would have to mean that people spend hundreds of dollars to try on tens of thousands of outfits. If Turbine makes an outfit-sampling system that's SO AWESOME that people want to try on that many outfits, I say let them charge whatever they like; such a system sounds absolutely amazing.

Edit: Of course, you maybe just meant that it goes from a few dollars (for trying on a few hundred outfits-- and already, if Turbine sells that many samplers to a single person, well done! The skins must actually be worth looking at!) to a few dollars more. I'd be okay with that. I'd pay five bucks for an appearance system with hundreds or thousands of good options, and the appearance system would have to be that good before I'd go spending hundreds of Turbine Points on samplers.

By the goddess, do we have to encourage them?

[Emili]

I agree that you should be allowed a preview for free, the problem is worse with hair colour and hair style where there is no preview.

It is however pretty clear to me that they can't have a 0TP offer on the store, it needs SOME transaction value. If that wasn't true, I think we would have seen some 0TP lama items during previews.

My tone in the post you quoted was mainly reacting to not the principle statement but the "OMG you have to help me with my college fund if you can affort to throw abound 3 cents" post, which was totally bonkers.

But in the end... its one TP. This is worse than the people complaining they want a refund because the game went down for 12 hours.

I agree that it is most likey design that they cannot present preview without cost... That is what I thought was a funny model for a store - was really no forthought behind it.

I do believe however the OP is not refering to 1TP but more in the way of 4 choices by 12 characters by 2 to 3 sets armour each (grows into 48 to 144tp to try on in all) ... which eventually will add up to more as more choices of armour are introduced... I have 13 characters how many do you have? How many different types of armour do you carry on each? Most of mine have three sets (armour/outfit/robe) each on average... Armour changes with needs throughout the game ... I mostly use multiple DT and a few named and Epic sets - one character typically has three - and more of that is to come as the game expands.

[donfilibuster]

The few tp is per every new suit. You may want to try the new suit on the six types of armor, on a few races, say, four, then on male and female, etc.
You could be looking at 20 tp every new suit. When i tried the first four kits it end up with 34 tp.
No big deal just two korthos runs if you are f2p, but then you have to do it again for the next kits.

[Alabore]

Instead they charge 1 tp to preview the armor. To all those that say its only a few cents , it adds up after a while. It starts out as a few cents then a few dollars and so on. Then it becomes the acceptable norm because your as the players help turbine justify their charge of that 1 tp.

I am not sure I overheard this from some over other thread, or if I'm just relating a wild guess but... the 1 TP thing might be used to gauge popularity of individual kits, something devs/marketing guys would have had a tougher time keeping track of, with gold-bought items.

...

Personally, I agree with the OP on some points.
These appearance kits are not quite appearance customisation as we originally expected it.

The 1 TP cost in itself is not that much - but I see how it can sour the whole things up for some players.
I wouldn't say it is a matter of being cheap: from what little I could learn about economy, to the final buying consumer the difference between 0$ and .001$ is much greater than that between 1$ and 100$.

In other words, some people will never spend, no matter how cheap.
To some others, it is just a matter of pricing goods and service appropriately.

I wouldn't mind buying a couple kits, especially if they went on promo sales.
300 tp starts getting a bit steep, though.
I see why some people do mind spending even 1 TP.
Matter of principle and marketing psychology.

[Ungood]

This is the same take I have on the subject matter. No matter the cost I find charging you to try on a product that you might not even purchase ridiculous. I will not be buying any armor kits as long as this method is in effect. If you have similar feelings I hope you won't as well.

You're right! It;'s wrong to charge you for a preview! They should do it like hair colors! No preview at all!

You buy it. if you don't like it, you can always buy something else to either revert it, or, a new one cover it!

Geeze, they give you an inch by giving you the option to try before you buy and all you can think to do is whine and complain about it!

[AyumiAmakusa]

1 person previewing= 1 TP
100,000 people previewing = 100,000 TP

I think that charging for previews is a good way for Turbine to suck up our TP, and hence they are making a profit. :)

[donfilibuster]

You're right! It;'s wrong to charge you for a preview! They should do it like hair colors! No preview at all!

You buy it. if you don't like it, you can always buy something else to either revert it, or, a new one cover it!

Geeze, they give you an inch by giving you the option to try before you buy and all you can think to do is whine and complain about it!

The word here is Usability. With hair and hats u know what u are getting, with kits u don't, hence you want to try before buying.
It boils down to this: you don't want to spend tp on something you will not buy.

These things are on marketing books, it is the same thing as when they give out samples, trials, etc.
For the most part is common sense.

[Ungood]

The word here is Usability. With hair and hats u know what u are getting, with kits u don't, hence you want to try before buying.
It boils down to this: you don't want to spend tp on something you will not buy.

These things are on marketing books, it is the same thing as when they give out samples, trials, etc.
For the most part is common sense.

You can get free TP's. So, you are constantly getting "Free Samples" of any part of the game. (Quite a few TP's at that I might add - a lot more then 1)

So would you rather they make armor previews free, and then don't give away free TP's? (To make sure you know it's a free sample, as opposed to just giving you the free TP's and letting you sample/buy what you want)

But the reality is, it boils down to; "People will find things to complain about".

[Ungood]

1 person previewing= 1 TP
100,000 people previewing = 100,000 TP

I think that charging for previews is a good way for Turbine to suck up our TP, and hence they are making a profit. :)

But when you consider, that at the very least, they have given 25 free TP's to those same people they have a net loss of 2,400,000 TP's. That don't sound like a money maker to me.

I think it purely an issue that the items in the store have to have a price on them and 0 just won't work. Most likely a code thing, easier to say 1 then try and make it work for 0.

That would be my guess at least.

[Gorbadoc]

I assumed it was for market research purposes. We've SAID in the forums that we want armor skins, and that we're willing to pay for armor skins. Turbine wants hard market data, though:

What fraction of the DDO populace is REALLY willing to pay money for skins.

They can't just ask us; people think they'd be willing to pay money for something, but then when it comes time to make a buying choice, half of them decide to save their money.

They can't just go based on sales of the actual skins; that's a measure of whether people like the current skins, but they want to know whether people like the idea of skins.

So they charge 1-2 cents for a sampler. If you pay that much, it's probably because you're ready to put your money where your mouth is: IF THE SKIN IS COOL ENOUGH, you'll fork over the $2-$3. I have a suspicion that, if more people buy samplers, then Turbine will spend more money making skins.