A more effective way to accepting LFM requests, and not getting noobs .

[TitoJ]

I have thought about this a lot, a way to keep unpleasant grouping for "veteran" players, to a minimum.

An in game system, that will take minimum/maximum generally accepted stats, and play, and give them a percentage rating that you can see along with somebody's name, class, and level, when they click your lfm.

For these purposes, we'll call it a person's "worthiness". Each person will receive a worthiness rating (WR), and you can also set your lfm to acceptable ratings.

This would also help when you get a strange looking multi-class build pop up, requesting to join. Instead of squinting your eyes, wrinkling up your nose, and thinking "*** is this guy thinking? Can this really be any good?" You can see their percentage is either very high, or very low, and you won't have to barage said person with questions like "What build is that? *** did you take 3 levels of rog there for? Is that extra level doing anything for you?"

The rating system would differ per class, such as effectiveness of sp used, ability to land cc spells, ability to heal in combat, ability so survive combat, dps, deaths, average time spend in stupid harbor quests, and so on. These stats would not be available to see, but would account to an overall percentage.

The stats would be based on the role you've selected to play, and if you choose multiple roles, then your rating for each role would differ. (such as, Bard claims DPS and CC as abilities, and his WR is DPS:10% CC:65%, then you send him a tell saying, "dude, your WR doesn't lie...join up for CC and help heal, or quit clicking my lfm. You're probably the only person playing a bard anymore anyway".

Thanks for any kind considerations of this suggestion, and any additional ideas would be great.

[Thrudh]

If you are actually any good at all at this game, you just take the first five that want to come along and knock the quest out.

The rest of you can contunue to come up with ideas for "worthiness ratings"

[Thrudh]

Also, I know you are trolling because you are fishing for neg rep.... If I see you start to get low, I'll probably pos rep you instead.

[Happosaai]

This seems like the GearScore implemented by WoW. I was not a fan of that when I played WoW, and would really dislike this game to implement that as well.

[TitoJ]

If you are actually any good at all at this game, you just take the first five that want to come along and knock the quest out.

The rest of you can contunue to come up with ideas for "worthiness ratings"

Does that mean you're going to 6 man the shroud with a "first come first serve" pug? Can you vid it for us?


Also, I know you are trolling because you are fishing for neg rep.... If I see you start to get low, I'll probably pos rep you instead.

If you think this is a game, why did you promise to play? Just curious.

[Kirachan]

An automated system that rates player capability? The only thing that would achieve would be people that farm worthiness instead of actually play decent and help the group.

[Hadrienn]

Most of the factors that you wish to use to determine a "Worthiness rating," (and that's a stupid name, what will people on the bottom of the worthiness meter do but leave the game when they can't find groups and realize that everyone thinks they're "unworthy"?) are completely subjective, and will be based in no small part on the groups that the person who is being rated has been in. Failpugs will beget more failpugs, and you will segregate people who are bad from ever learning how to play.

[Thrudh]

If it'll make you feel better...go ahead a Neg Rep me.

I'm actually after Neg Rep...trying to go in the hole with it if possible.

However, other ******bags are actually giving props to my ******baggery, and I've not so far succeeded....


The first post is a troll post.

[painindaguild]

The first post is a troll post.

agreed.

but also brilliant. he finds another item people can farm. simple, effective, and compelling.
hard to resist for commoners, although there are already plenty farms in game.

[TitoJ]

The first post is a troll post.

What would these forums be without investigative posting? lmao

Now you're going to have to explain how you figured that the post you quoted was sincere, being that you're accusing me of insincere posting...

don't you think with the amount of tightwads posting on these forums, that I could well be in the hole if that was my intention?

[Doomcrew]

Is it Friday already?

[k1ngp1n]

Randomly posting in this thread.

[Thrudh]

Now you're going to have to explain how you figured that the post you quoted was sincere, being that you're accusing me of insincere posting...


I didn't think it was sincere.... until I saw you post the OP in THIS thread....

Either you're a huge moron, or you're trolling for neg rep....

You decide which one you want to be known by.

(Plus, your sig is kind of a clue too...) :)

[grodon9999]

Also, I know you are trolling because you are fishing for neg rep.... If I see you start to get low, I'll probably pos rep you instead.

I gave him some possitive as well, any idea this stupid deserves a +1

[Kominalito]

<3 MMA style threadtrolls.

GIT EET AWN.

[hityawithastick]

Randomly posting in this thread.

Why?

[k1ngp1n]

Why?

Why not?

[Bracosius]

OP your going about this all wrong, let me save you some time.

Instead of posting outlandish suggestions that can be seen as humorous and therefore inadvertantly generating positve rep instead of the desired negative, take a different approach.

Start threads honestly asking for, and advocating ways to improve the PvP portion of this game. These threads will be barraged with hate and get your rep bar to the desired holiday color in no time.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

What would these forums be without investigative posting? lmao

Now you're going to have to explain how you figured that the post you quoted was sincere, being that you're accusing me of insincere posting...

don't you think with the amount of tightwads posting on these forums, that I could well be in the hole if that was my intention?

He never said you were a *good* troll. :D

[TitoJ]

Start threads honestly asking for, and advocating ways to improve the PvP portion of this game. These threads will be barraged with hate and get your rep bar to the desired holiday color in no time.

Lol...I've already touched on this..but I will quickly state my goal.

1. Create a group of enemies, and people to irritate.
2. Maintain a decent amount of positive rep, thereby further irritating the people who hate you, because every time they -1 you, you're getting +1'd.
3. Make sure nobody knows your in game characters, so jacking around on forums at work to pass time doesn't turn against you in game.

This is advanced trolling.

[k1ngp1n]

This is advanced trolling.

Your open post defines you as an amateur troll. Don't worry, experience will come with time.

[Elyanna]

Why?

Why ask why?

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

Why ask why?

Try Bud Dry! :D

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I'm speechless.....the only word that comes to mind is:

WoW. :cool:

[Darkrok]

I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!

[smithtj3]

I don't think we would really want to leave this rating system to the game to decide. The game can't take into account how the player uses that build. I'm sure we all know at least one person who plays a toon that is, by all accounts, gimped but does as well if not better than people with far better built toons.

IF (and I don't feel that such a system needs to exist at the moment) a rating system was introduced it should rely on peer vote and operate on a rolling time period. At the end of a dungeon if the PUG had some horrible piker, etc the party leader can start a group vote session that will allow the other party members to thumbs up or thumbs down the player in question and majority would rule as to whether or not it would get recorded as a neg. The votes would only stick for a short period of time (30 days?) then fall off so that way if a player had a particularly rough patch but improved, their past gaming history would not be haunting them for all of time. Then maybe just color code the player names in the LFM join panel, Green for no negs, yellow for between 1 - 5 negs, orange for between 6 - 15 negs, and red for everything after that. There shouldn't be a "positive" rating scale because guild runs could just give each other thumbs up all day long regardless of how well they're playing. A "negative" rep scale by majority vote would better insure that the offender had actually done something heinous and that the majority of the party was in agreement on it. If two or more people in the group are from the same guild their votes only counts for half to counter act ganging up on someone who perhaps hadn't done anything wrong.

This works better than basing it off build "quality". A player can have a commonly accepted "strong build" and still proceed to murder every single puppy in Hound, refuse to run water/solve puzzle in shroud, ninja quest drops, etc, etc and those are the sorts of people I want to avoid. The gimped cross class rogue who knows how to do his job is ranked well above the before mentioned.

As to why I have this thought out this much when I don't think DDO needs it, I manage an eBay store and play a lot of Counter Strike: Source. This is sort of like if you combined the two.

[k1ngp1n]

Why not?

Heh, I got neg rep for this. Love these forums.

[TitoJ]

Heh, I got neg rep for this. Love these forums.

NEG rep stealer!!!!!

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Lol...I've already touched on this..but I will quickly state my goal.

1. Create a group of enemies, and people to irritate.
2. Maintain a decent amount of positive rep, thereby further irritating the people who hate you, because every time they -1 you, you're getting +1'd.
3. Make sure nobody knows your in game characters, so jacking around on forums at work to pass time doesn't turn against you in game.

This is advanced trolling.

The correct solution to someone who admits to trolling is of course not rep, but to report them and hope the mods do their job.

[Shaamis]

Heh, I got neg rep for this. Love these forums.

appeal to devs and they will remove unwarranted rep hits liek this.

[TitoJ]

The correct solution to someone who admits to trolling is of course not rep, but to report them and hope the mods do their job.

DDO forums....the "mature" never fail lol.

[Khimberlhyte]

I would rather see a HordoRanking, or HR, rather than a worthiness rating (WR). The HordoRanking could be based on more meaningful information, such as deaths per quest, amount of blue bar remaining before the death (bonus points for a full bar), and percentage of quest time spent as a soulstone.

A high HR would be a guarantee that you will be playing alongside a true veteran of the game.

[Montrose]

appeal to devs and they will remove unwarranted rep hits liek this.

That was not my experience back when I checked and cared about my rep.

[Kelavam]

Heh, I got neg rep for this. Love these forums.

I Balanced it out. Just because.

Trolls are amusing. And it's more amusing that (yes, I realize I am doing this as well) that the more people post, the more we are encouraging the trolls.

Never saw a point of trolling. Seems like so many better things could be done. Like right now, I could be working instead of supporting a troll. Shh.. Here comes my boss.