XP is XP .... ?

[TitoJ]

This phrase probably irritates me more than a melee not keeping up with the group and demanding "heals while blocked".

Now, the disclaimer here is, that the people I ran with were extremely nice people, and I have no issue with the people, but I keep hearing this phrase come up, and wonder to myself why it came into existence. I'd run again with any of them. But farming xp is another story.

It always seems to refer to someone wanting fast completion, above inferior amounts of optional xp...or, in this case, not wanting to farm a quest, with a slow group.

I make a group, for Delera's. I accept the first people to click on my lfm. There's 1 wizzy in the group, and as we proceed through part 1, he blows through his mana somehow, without using anything but blur as far as I could tell. Not one fire spell came from him, no haste, nothing. I'm not taking issue with this though, because we were all having fun.

From the start this other guy kept talking about farming part 2. As we reached the finish, I politely send him a tell, explaining to him that I had no interest running a farm group on part 2, with a wizzie who didn't know on his own to cast haste, and fire spells in Delera's. The answer that comes back? "Yeah, but XP is XP, right?"

Arrggghh. What does this MEAN? Again..super nice guy. I think he's more likely heard the phrase used, than invented it himself. But what's the point in farming in general, if you're not going to do it fast? If you don't care how fast your xp comes...why do you farm it?

If xp is xp...why are we only farming high xp or quick, decent xp quests? Why don't you go farm Millers Debt on a lvl 6? XP is XP....right?

[pHo3nix]

The xp/time ratio is important, the xp alone aren't that important..

[Ungood]

To help you out: The expression "XP is XP" is said not to mean "We need Exp and this is the BEST!" it is not a Zerger's phrase, or a hardcore exp grinders motto, it is for casual or even modest moving players, and it means, "At least you will gets something out of it, even if it's only exp"

I hope that helps you out.

[TitoJ]

To help you out: The expression "XP is XP" is said not to mean "We need Exp and this is the BEST!" it is not a Zerger's phrase, or a hardcore exp grinders motto, it is for casual or even modest moving players, and it means, "At least you will gets something out of it, even if it's only exp"

I hope that helps you out.

It does seem like it's only used to convince people who think the time/xp ratio of parts of the game aren't worth it, that xp is all the same. However...

We completed Deleras 2 in 16 minutes. The guy stated that the run was "pretty good". That time is twice the time I find to be a "pretty good" run. Do you think this guy would have pushed more runs if the completion time had been 32 minutes?

Whatever people say it means, I'm beginning to think that it means "My acceptable xp/min ratio should be yours"

I mean I don't mind running things slow like we did...it just doesn't meat my farming criteria.

[Jakarr]

To help you out: The expression "XP is XP" is said not to mean "We need Exp and this is the BEST!" it is not a Zerger's phrase, or a hardcore exp grinders motto, it is for casual or even modest moving players, and it means, "At least you will gets something out of it, even if it's only exp"

I hope that helps you out.

This

Xp is Xp is a casual term.

[Fejj]

Its like joining a Shadow Crypt group LFM states "farming for xp"

You join and the leader asks if anyone knows the quest (cause he does not)

And after a 40 min completion, (people can't swim, or understand the maze) they wonder why I say thanks for the run but I'm out.

I want a 15 min completion, and not loose 10% from deaths on each run.

Xp is XP sure (for you), but I want MAX xp/time (when farming XP) and not waste a good quest getting skunked on time and deaths.

[sweez]

it just doesn't meat my farming criteria.

Agriculture & Dragons Online?

[MrLarone]

last time is used that was when i joined a co6 run i wasn't flagged for.

no end loot for me but xp is xp ;-)

[MrLarone]

Agriculture & Dragons Online?

i think you're looking for Onions in Wagons Online

(please don't kill me)

[Lithic]

Personally if I want to farm something, I make sure I (or my friend who is as much an xp hound as I am) is party leader. That way we have more control over the group, and anyone who isn't happy can leave.

If I join someone else's pug group, I assume it is going to be a liesurely run, and am rarely disappointed. I'd never join a slow group for a farming quest though heh.

[TitoJ]

last time is used that was when i joined a co6 run i wasn't flagged for.

no end loot for me but xp is xp ;-)

I can relate to that....isn't that more of xp>crappy loot? ha! I love it when people skip out on some ez xp because they're not getting an end reward they'll replace in 2 levels.

I don't want to know how long they sit at levels 5 - 8 if end rewards from TR are that important.

[Cauthey]

Just respond to that saying, "Yeah, but time is money."

[MrLarone]

I can relate to that....isn't that more of xp>crappy loot? ha! I love it when people skip out on some ez xp because they're not getting an end reward they'll replace in 2 levels.

I don't want to know how long they sit at levels 5 - 8 if end rewards from TR are that important.

the only exceptions to this i can think of would be Delera's and/or Threnal (especially Threneal as it's suck a pain) for VoM and MoW (that right?) respectively.

if it was those quests and a TR that would make most sense.

that said it's always nice to get end loot and i have dropped group in the past if i didn't think the time worth while...

[k1ngp1n]

What does this MEAN?

http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv332/r4zr/omg-double-rainbow-what-does-it-mean_design.png

[hecate355]

personally i avoid many so called 'farm' lfm-s, simply dont like the idea that i set myself to do 10 offerings of blood straight on top each other, also i dont continue this for 232235556th time until i get gloves out of that quest.

at least i try to leave myself an illusion of freedom to chose what to do next, not just grind same thing over and over, it may be optimal way of playing, but i aint no robot(most of time :D)

[TitoJ]

To combat this annoyance, I have developed my own catch phrase, for when I run zerg groups.

"Dead xp, is just as good as alive xp"

Now when I run a zerg lfm for The Pit, and I hear one or two DiNG!er's begging me to come back and get their stone, I can just use this phrase, and be equally annoying to the XP is XP crowd...mwahaha.

[Templarion]

To combat this annoyance, I have developed my own catch phrase, for when I run zerg groups.

"Dead xp, is just as good as alive xp"

Now when I run a zerg lfm for The Pit, and I hear one or two DiNG!er's begging me to come back and get their stone, I can just use this phrase, and be equally annoying to the XP is XP crowd...mwahaha.

Nice counter.

[Ungood]

Again XP is XP, is a casual/moderate gamers term, and it means "this is not the best/most/fastest XP, but it is still XP"

If Max XP/Time is your game, just leave the group, explain that your not getting exp fast enough and drop them and find a group more your speed. They may not like it, but they will repsect you for being honest and up front.

If you start lines like "Dead XP is XP" because the casual/moderates are not moving at your speed, you will quickly find them dropping YOU in favor of someone more their pace.

But, hey, in that regard, it is your rep.

I am more a casual/moderate anyway, the way I look at it, the few dozen times I have been running rares for loot, or dropping in on a loot raid, for No exp, kills my Gametime/XP ratio anyway, but, I am just going to stonewall XP at 20th anyway, so what if a quest takes 10 extra min. Does my world end if I take an extra week to get to 20th, or even a extra month?

To each their own.

I respect what you want out of the game, and I would understand if you joined my group and told it was going too slow for you, (even if I thought it was pretty good exp), I would never understand you saying things like "Dead XP is XP" take that as you will.

[testing1234]

ive always assumed XP is XP comes from longtime players whos done everyting and are in a casual set of mind at the moment

[Senshock]

It could also relate to running a quest (for xp) you dont like...?

[Eistander]

I typically use this phrase when I am not in a hurry to hammer out a ton of xp, and if the issue comes up to what difficulty (for example) in a random pug, that is how I answer just to abstain from a vote; I just want to get moving. Its one thing spending a ton of time in a quest, but another altogether debating endlessly on the difficulty in the first place.

So to me, when I say "xp is xp", I really mean "Don't ask me, I don't care; lets get this show on the road". But that's just me.

[Valiance]

http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv332/r4zr/omg-double-rainbow-what-does-it-mean_design.png

Wow. For anyone who has watched that video this is the best fricking T-shirt/photo quote ever lol.

V

[Adalita]

To combat this annoyance, I have developed my own catch phrase, for when I run zerg groups.

"Dead xp, is just as good as alive xp"

Now when I run a zerg lfm for The Pit, and I hear one or two DiNG!er's begging me to come back and get their stone, I can just use this phrase, and be equally annoying to the XP is XP crowd...mwahaha.

I approve of this phrase, and will immediately appropriate it for my own use.

[donfilibuster]

It surely applies to those quests that are good for xp.
This means you may want to explore them, or to take the end rewards but the people interested in your LFM are all seeking that xp they heard about.
They won't like to do it any other way, so it pays to know what people expect from each quest.

Likewise there's quests that you want to do for xp and other people want to do for gear.
And whole packs for that matter, such as STK where you may want to not rush and do optionals yet all other puggers want to go straight to the end chest.

Or maybe everyone told you that the vale of twilight was the pack you absolutely need.
But once there you may be told that 'no one does this quest for xp', since people have to farm them for mats.
In those cases you can just put your LFM for 'xp run, need guide'.
And anyways those kind of quests are still good xp even if you don't do optionals or reenter a couple times.

[Robai]

I'm one of the rares, who prefers
max Xp per run
instead of
max Xp per time.

I'm just playing the game and the most fun for me is to explore everything in it
(every corner, every optional, even if I do that quest 50th time :)).

Of course, if I join zerging group I do it fast too, but it's not what gives me real fun.

For me "Xp is Xp" means "max Xp per run".