Is this a bootable offense?

[TitoJ]

So I'm in Gianthold, trying to pass the time doing some slayers, when I see an LFM for Wizard King. The LFM states "Do Not Die!" or something to that measure. So there I am, on my barb, recalling out of GH, while I click on this LFM.

I get accepted in to the group, and, being the jokester that I am, I knew I was bound in GH, so there was really only one thing to do. I /death, right after they say hi to me, while I'm still in GH, and type out in chat "OMG! I just died. sorry man.."

Insta-boot..... c'mon really?!

Saves me from running with some tightwad at least lol.

[stoolcannon]

lol, I love the thought that it probably irritated that ******.

[Aaxeyu]

rofl. While your joke was very funny on it's own, the fact that he kicked you for it makes it even better :)

[MateCarefor]

some folks take their adventuring (and their game time) a bit more seriously,
or at least the 10% xp afforded for survivor/victory bonus.
Especially in quests like WizKing where the total xp will be pretty grand, and the 10% is significant.

Gotta say, I'd have booted you as well, just to save myself the potential grie...er...humorous actions I could likely expect later in the quest.

If you don't want to respect a group or a group leader, why bother wasting their time?

EDIT: Yikes - Looking at the other responses, I reckin I'm a tightwad - lol. Least I know what to expect now! :D

[TitoJ]

rofl. While your joke was very funny on it's own, the fact that he kicked you for it makes it even better :)

I thought at first, perhaps, his boot was also a joke. But I sent him a tell that said "What? Your lfm didn't say no joking!", there was no response.

Which pretty much tells the whole story.

[TheDearLeader]

Shoulda went for the hat trick.

Relog onto another toon, join party.

Get into the quest. Head right back out into the desert. Re-enter. Go find somewhere in quest to die. Res out, leave party.

Or am I being too mean?

[TitoJ]

Shoulda went for the hat trick.

Relog onto another toon, join party.

Get into the quest. Head right back out into the desert. Re-enter. Go find somewhere in quest to die. Res out, leave party.

Or am I being too mean?

No, no you're not LOL. Make sure you step out, then back in first, so they also get re-entry neg lol....

Nah, I wasn't ticked about it...but that is funny.

[Missing_Minds]

Shoulda went for the hat trick.

Against a pug leader like that, I'm inclined to say go for the hat trick.

[Sirea]

some folks take their adventuring (and their game time) a bit more seriously,
or at least the 10% xp afforded for survivor/victory bonus.
Especially in quests like WizKing where the total xp will be pretty grand, and the 10% is significant.

Gotta say, I'd have booted you as well, just to save myself the potential grie...er...humorous actions I could likely expect later in the quest.

If you don't want to respect a group or a group leader, why bother wasting their time?

Uhm...the OP wasn't even in the quest. No harm was done.

[TitoJ]

Uhm...the OP wasn't even in the quest. No harm was done.

Exactly, not about being a **** to someone...it's just having a little fun is all. And I have to tell you, the best groups I've ever been in have always been laid back people, zerging through a quest, joking and having fun. So joking around isn't indicative of ignorant players either.

[Poe76]

Good Lord, if the OP wasn't even in the quest and got booted for
/death'ing to the location... I think the hat-trick would definitely
be deserved.

And if you are playing this game with your under-roos crammed
ever so snugly up your wazoo to boot someone for that, lol

rolaids suppositories FTW! :P

[stoopid_cowboy]

Shoulda went for the hat trick.

Relog onto another toon, join party.

Get into the quest. Head right back out into the desert. Re-enter. Go find somewhere in quest to die. Res out, leave party.

Or am I being too mean?

Hahahaha classic!
I would make one slight change. I'd just pike out the rest of the quest and get the remainder of the XP :D

yuda

*EDIT: PM the name please :D

[TitoJ]

Hahahaha classic!
I would make one slight change. I'd just pike out the rest of the quest and get the remainder of the XP :D

yuda

Problem is now you got 4 other people po'd at you too...not just the leader, who deserves it. Although it's mighty tempting lol.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

Shoulda went for the hat trick.

Relog onto another toon, join party.

Get into the quest. Head right back out into the desert. Re-enter. Go find somewhere in quest to die. Res out, leave party.

Or am I being too mean?

Nah, that's something that could get you reported for griefing...not worth doing to a guy that has no sense of humor. Now, logging another toon and piking for XP and loot, definitely worthwhile. :D

Actually did something like this to my guild leader a while back...the guild was in VoD while I was on timer and waiting for the Shroud that was coming up next. There were spots open, so I joined to chat with the guildies. Well, I always bind in Meridia as soon as I can, and I decided to take the quick route to the Shroud. Well, as soon as I go *ding* one of my guildies goes "Oh, no! You let Nyy die!!!", and my guild leader, who was healing, was frantically looking for me to raise, and going "Where are you, I can't target you?!?!" Well, laughter ensued... :D Best part about it is that he had the star and had been the one who invited me to the group to chat... :p

[Chai]

I saw that LFM up - it was up for a long time with one person in it.

I also see the famous two boxers LFM up alot - seems to gain a few levels a week or so.

[Paleus]

Question: Is this a bootable offense?
Answer: Yes

Reasoning: Because the group leader gets to build a party the way they want to build it. If they don't want to deal with a practical joker they don't have to. They may think you'll be unreliable. If you don't want to play the way the group leader sets things up start your own LFM with your own rules or lack thereof.

Caveat : Said type of group leader is not likely going to get many people joining their LFMs (apparently this was the case). It's kind of like the kid who always threatens to take his toys and go home. Have fun at home playing by yourself.

Personally: I wouldn't join this group. I think saying "Do Not Die" rates among the more useless LFM texts. Stuff happens, people might die. You want to select for skilled players, then write up BYOH (not 100% effective), any other variation of screening like No Noobs appears in my experience to do the exact opposite by self-selecting for group members that are free-riders, people who don't realize they don't know what they are doing, or elitists, all of whom I don't enjoy running with. To top it off, more often than not the person writing that in the text falls into one of those categories

P.S. : Can you imagine this guy trying to fill a shroud run with Do Not Die? Every other person that joins gets booted when they take the soul train to Meridia and then he throws a fit when someone fails to click the center of the portal in Part 4.

[TheDearLeader]

I'm just glad to have coined a new usage for the term "Hat Trick". Good times.

[maestro973]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Edit: "Share plz" comes in at a close second, except of course for Relic of a sovereign past, I will make an exception and show some compassion for that quest alone.

[stoolcannon]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Please PM me your name and server so I don't ever accidentally run with you.

[amnota]

If you're not dying, you're not trying.

3 more Tr's to go.(Trelaf Thelanis)

[TitoJ]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Edit: "Share plz" comes in at a close second, except of course for Relic of a sovereign past, I will make an exception and show some compassion for that quest alone.

In retrospect, as I alluded to in the OP, me pulling that prank tells me exactly the information I need to know, before I get knee deep in a quest with a moron who expects way too much out of a pug...

Although uptight players are so fun to screw with...

[mws2970]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Edit: "Share plz" comes in at a close second, except of course for Relic of a sovereign past, I will make an exception and show some compassion for that quest alone.

To this I say, "Lighten up, Francis!"

To the OP, this was not a bootable offense, as many others have stated.

[TitoJ]

Well, if this thread is indicative of anything, at least 90% or so of the ddo player base just likes to have fun lol.

[Sirea]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Edit: "Share plz" comes in at a close second, except of course for Relic of a sovereign past, I will make an exception and show some compassion for that quest alone.

wut house? f2p? shr plz

omg i'm lost lol, come bck 4 me plz?

wut's this button do?

look lol i found a beholder!

HJEEL MEEEEE!!1!1111

*ding*

[testing1234]

if your willing to joke like this you must admit its possible he kicked you as a joke, much nastier joke but still a joke or does the joking only cut one way only when you do it?

[mws2970]

if your willing to joke like this you must admit its possible he kicked you as a joke, much nastier joke but still a joke or does the joking only cut one way only when you do it?


I thought at first, perhaps, his boot was also a joke. But I sent him a tell that said "What? Your lfm didn't say no joking!", there was no response.

Which pretty much tells the whole story.

The OP did say that in this reply. Just sayin'.............

*Edited to add the quote from the OP*

[PCNONSENSE]

I am honestly surprised by the amount of posters trying to justify you getting kicked out of the group...

I understand we cant all be math majors - please answer this...

10% possible XP loss by pugging the first 5 to click - or no XP at all waiting for a group to fill with 5 more wanksters who are as anal as you :)

I know its close...

A piece of advice for any new people reading this thread - you will have better players and smoother runs by avoiding these LFM's all together - Either join or create one that says BYOH - fast...These always fill with good players who also seem to enjoy the game more. You will find healers join this type of LFM over the one the OP cited...

[Zachski]

It was basically the OP deathporting to a specific location that he needed to go to, and then making a joke out of it.

The party leader wasn't harmed in any way, so really, he overreacted.

[TitoJ]

It was basically the OP deathporting to a specific location that he needed to go to, and then making a joke out of it.

The party leader wasn't harmed in any way, so really, he overreacted.

You are exactly correct that the party leader was not harmed in anyway, because I /death'd outside of the instance.

However I lose my status as a prankster if the thought goes on that I was deathporting, because what I actually was doing, was standing next to my spirit binder in GH, and I needed to be at the wizard king. I was indeed not deathporting, but rather joking about his lfm...

So while in theory I did nothing to him, apparently his ego prompted his actions.

[Ninety0ne]

Its nice to see people so frank about their beliefs, but you would respond to a slight (being kicked by someone who obviously is a bad fit for your play style) by completely hammering his quest and parties xp and dont see your own massive rudeness and disrespect as the same but worse?

and yes id boot and squelch you since frankly thats tired and about as funny as sharing a bunch of low level quests when some1 asks for a share.

[TitoJ]

Its nice to see people so frank about their beliefs, but you would respond to a slight (being kicked by someone who obviously is a bad fit for your play style) by completely hammering his quest and parties xp and dont see your own massive rudeness and disrespect as the same but worse?

and yes id boot and squelch you since frankly thats tired and about as funny as sharing a bunch of low level quests when some1 asks for a share.

I guess you must have missed the part about this being a game, and not a second life's calling...

But if you've been falling victim to some low level sharing, I'd look somewhere very reflective to find the actual problem.

Not only is that absolutely hilarious, it's also hilarious that you'd actually get po'd about it. I'mma try that one, from one guy who can pick up most quests...to you, who would ask for a share to Stormcleave Outpost lol.

I also fail to see how mild mannered joking can be rude and disrespectful. Who is he to me? My pappy? Should I look at the floor and say "yes sir" while he speaks to me sternly? lol...

[Poe76]

I would have booted you in a heartbeat. If I'm going through a quest and even bother to put up an LFM like that it's usually intended for like-minded people to grab as much XP as possible in the shortest period of time (Wiz-king is one of those quests that you can easily solo all 3 sides, or you can get 3 people that can solo it and do it in 1/3 the time). While I never used "don't die" in my LFM's, I'd use similar phrases like know quest/zerg, TR multiple runs, etc etc. You pick up on who knows their stuff really quickly this way and also learn that probably 50% or less of players actually read LFM text and another large percentage will just hop in to leech the xp while not contributing to the group.

The thing is humor doesn't always propagate to all parties involved, so what was humorous to you could have easily been seen as mockery of the LFM and a bad sign right from the start and due to the group leader not knowing you or your sense of humor, sometimes it is just a lot safer to avoid a potential trouble-maker and cut the fat from the start. Grinding out 4,378,500 XP basically turns you into a grumpy old man.

That being said, there were few times I ever actually booted people for dying once in a quest . Sometimes it just happens, even to great players, and you learn to accept that. On the other hand, I think my rate of booting for "what house" is at 100%, even when I know its a joke.

Edit: "Share plz" comes in at a close second, except of course for Relic of a sovereign past, I will make an exception and show some compassion for that quest alone.

OP wasn't even in the quest man, whole post was about a joke that didn't affect anyone except captain underoo's (the party leader)...So what did the OP do that would deserve your undying loathing? wow just wow

Just read the one post....now reading several ultra-fascist jack-boot posts...OP's actions were a joke, no disrespect invoved, no sheissen-talking was involved...
no xp loss was involved...loosen up peeps...holy smokes. Did you all miss the part where he wasn't even in the quest, so your going to boot peeps because they
/death to get somewhere....too much

[Fomori]

I understand we cant all be math majors - please answer this...

10% possible XP loss by pugging the first 5 to click - or no XP at all waiting for a group to fill with 5 more wanksters who are as anal as you :)
Also people seem to be more clueless about the no death bonus XP award than anything else in this game. It can be significant over the long haul but on an individual quest basis it is fairly minor.

To start with, it is not a loss, it is not getting a bonus. What this means mathematically is if it were a loss you get .9x instead of x, which is .9/1 or .9, so a 90% of optimal xp. Not getting a bonus is x instead of 1.1x, which is 1/1.1 or .909090909 rounded to 91% of optimal xp.

Secondly the no death bonus is a base xp bonus, meaning its applied as a percentage of the 'base xp' of the quest not a running total of the xp. That is because base xp bonuses are associative not commutative. That means you add them all up then that percentage bonus applies to the base xp.

What this means is that as you accumulate other bonuses the effect of losing a 10% bonus moves closer to zero from 10. In an perfect storm best case scenario in DDO that wont be any lower than costing you ~4%. The average group is about 7-8% however, with zergers being closer to 9% and get all bonus types groups closer to 6%.

What people might get confused about is when you call it a 10% loss they might associate that with actually losing xp and that its off the final total they see when they complete the quest. Neither is true and while you are not getting as much xp as you would by not dying, its usually not a severe as the common person might assume.

[Vindicatus]

+1 to you, TitoJ, for invoking nerd rage in game without griefing. I'd +1 you again if I could for invoking nerd rage in this thread.

p.s. Hmm, nerd question: did TitoJ invoke or evoke?

[Poe76]

I vote for Evoked, because this is nerd-rage in one of it's purest
most magical forms.:D

[Bunker]

So I'm in Gianthold, trying to pass the time doing some slayers, when I see an LFM for Wizard King. The LFM states "Do Not Die!" or something to that measure. So there I am, on my barb, recalling out of GH, while I click on this LFM.

I get accepted in to the group, and, being the jokester that I am, I knew I was bound in GH, so there was really only one thing to do. I /death, right after they say hi to me, while I'm still in GH, and type out in chat "OMG! I just died. sorry man.."

Insta-boot..... c'mon really?!

Saves me from running with some tightwad at least lol.

OP: Something I learnd a long time ago about humor. You have to choose your humor wisely. Not all ppl that see it and hear it will agree with it. You have to remember why yo did it, find the fun in funny, and move on.

But part of humor is accepting that not all ppl will agree with it.

-Bunk

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

I'd vote for Evocation based upon the dictionary.com definition:

–noun
1.
an act or instance of evoking; a calling forth: the evocation of old memories.


Most definitions I found for Invocation refer to external influences, such as spirits or deities. Evocation appears to be more of a "calling forth from within", though I'm sure that can be argued...


Oh, and I just want to point out that, while I think what the OP did was funny, you have to understand that there ARE some people that take this game seriously, for whatever reasons. That does not mean that they "enjoy" it any less, just that they enjoy it in a different fashion than you or I. Think about S&M...I don't see how spanking can be considered fun, but there are some people that really get off on it...but I digress. Point is, the joke itself was funny, and the guy's response added to it...but to actually do something to egg him on or get back at him, and lessen his fun in the process, would have been wrong, no matter how you look at it. I'm happy the OP didn't do anything, so that we can all laugh at this. :D

[Lleren]

+1 to you, TitoJ, for invoking nerd rage in game without griefing. I'd +1 you again if I could for invoking nerd rage in this thread.

p.s. Hmm, nerd question: did TitoJ invoke or evoke?

TitoJ joined a group to grief. /shrug

[Scherwiz2]

Oh my dear Sarlona…

Not only do a noticeable number of players on this server hate Rogues but there are also so many humorless tightwads… Where did it all go wrong?

Well thumbs up to the OP for joking around and actually having fun in the game. If it were my lfm I would have gotten a good laugh out of it.


I guess you must have missed the part about this being a game, and not a second life's calling...

But if you've been falling victim to some low level sharing, I'd look somewhere very reflective to find the actual problem.

Not only is that absolutely hilarious, it's also hilarious that you'd actually get po'd about it. I'mma try that one, from one guy who can pick up most quests...to you, who would ask for a share to Stormcleave Outpost lol.

I also fail to see how mild mannered joking can be rude and disrespectful. Who is he to me? My pappy? Should I look at the floor and say "yes sir" while he speaks to me sternly? lol...

I never understood the stigma about quest sharing either. There are plenty of low level quests with long NPC dialogues and it is annoying to sift through them. Furthermore, sometimes people simply forget to grab the quest even though they know exactly where it is. I don't get all upset if someone asks me to share Weapons Shipment with them.

[LazyTigerLily]

p.s. Hmm, nerd question: did TitoJ invoke or evoke?


I'd vote for Evocation based upon the dictionary.com definition:

–noun
1.
an act or instance of evoking; a calling forth: the evocation of old memories.


Most definitions I found for Invocation refer to external influences, such as spirits or deities. Evocation appears to be more of a "calling forth from within", though I'm sure that can be argued...

Word nerd alert! From the description of bringing about nerd-rage I don't think it'd be either. Incite (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incite) would fit a bit better.

Either way griefing the LFM was pretty freaking funny. Deathporting is a part of the game, I dunno if I have ever done a shroud that hasn't had at least one player do it. That the poster of the LFM didn't even ask if that's what the OP was doing and just booted with no response to the tell afterwords doesn't speak kindly of the group leader.

+ rep to the OP though for making me giggle :)

[nolaureltree000]

some people (especially groups of TR's) take their 10% no-death bonus very seriously. im pretty sure ive been blacklisted before for dying in a quest. sometimes things like that happen. i try not to take DDO that seriously.

[William_the_Bat]

No offense meant, but the uptight one isn't the guy who didn't want a joker in his group, nor the joker who was having a bit of fun, but the people who freak out and armchair psychoanalyze each other over an incident that doesn't amount to anything.

OP: just a guy having fun. He had his fun, then learned what he needed to know about the group leader... specifically that the leader is serious about his gaming.

the leader is apparently serious about his (or her) gaming. Big deal. Everyone plays how they want to play, the fact that he put his pet peeve in the LFM was a very good thing as it has the potential to weed out people who won't like grouping with him and vice-versa.

Everyone has a different play style. Every other pug I'm in has some zerging XP nazi complaining that I'm holding them back (usually a sorc who keeps casting burning hands at single kobolds), the other ones have some flower-sniffer complaining I'm going to fast. (especially funny if I'm taking the time to show some new people all the sights and optionals)

Oh, to the "hat trick" guys: would you really spend 15 minutes or more of your time specifically to be mean to some guy just for attempting to clarify his play-style in the LFM? Even given the collateral damage to random puggies? Let me guess, the answer is no, you aren't really that cruel, you just play one on the internet.

It's the internet, people. expect drama.

[Lavek]

people that are sensitive about 10% and are expecting that random pugs wont die in a quest should learn to do it solo...

either that or get some friends/guild



on OP...no...not bootable

[Arysta]

Seriously? I can't believe the OP got booted for that.. The whole point of this game is to have fun.. I'd rather be in a group that chats and has a good time than any other.

[nanobot1994]

Would I have booted for it immediately?
No, I would've checked the log, because a person joining and dieing a sec later seems kinda obvious theyre death teleing. If he said something, Id check log to see if he died, then boot. I dont need a player who jumps into a quest, and /deaths to kill my xp. Not saying the OP did this, just a scenario

PuG leader: Jumped to conclusions
OP : Needs to understand different personality s play the game

From what actually happened, would I personally have kicked? No. But can I understand why he was? Yes.

Oh, I find how everyones repping the OP for annoying a random person very distasteful. We don't have the whole story yet, just what happened from the eyes of the OP.

This post isn't meant to offend anyone, just stating my opinion here.

EDIT: The point of the game is to have fun. The OPs fun interfered with the PuG leaders fun. PuG leader had authority at the time so OP got kicked. Again, we don't have the PuG leaders side of the story.

[TitoJ]

Oh, to the "hat trick" guys: would you really spend 15 minutes or more of your time specifically to be mean to some guy just for attempting to clarify his play-style in the LFM? Even given the collateral damage to random puggies? Let me guess, the answer is no, you aren't really that cruel, you just play one on the internet.



I don't think anyone was actually looking to do that. I also stated that there was never a thought of that on my part too. I think it's just a funny thing to say, because of how uptight some people are...just imagine their rage. You don't actually have to do it for it to be funny.

[Lleren]

I don't think anyone was actually looking to do that. I also stated that there was never a thought of that on my part too. I think it's just a funny thing to say, because of how uptight some people are...just imagine their rage. You don't actually have to do it for it to be funny.

Yeah, you know, being an internet gaming bully sure sounds like fun...<sarcasm>

Having fun with buddies who know it is all in fun, and are having fun too, Yay!
Having fun poking at strangers, who are not taking it as great fun, and don't appreciate your style of humor...boo.

Grease is a party buff. Green does means go. However, why the heck should I join a slow exploration group to zerg? Why should I join a zerg group to slowly explore.

There are not enough folks out there willing to start up pug groups as it is. Don't be one of those people that give folks reasons to only group with Guildies, everyone loses out then.

[TitoJ]

Yeah, you know, being an internet gaming bully sure sounds like fun...<sarcasm>

Having fun with buddies who know it is all in fun, and are having fun too, Yay!
Having fun poking at strangers, who are not taking it as great fun, and don't appreciate your style of humor...boo.

Grease is a party buff. Green does means go. However, why the heck should I join a slow exploration group to zerg? Why should I join a zerg group to slowly explore.

There are not enough folks out there willing to start up pug groups as it is. Don't be one of those people that give folks reasons to only group with Guildies, everyone loses out then.

Ignorant really. I poke fun at strangers, and they poke fun back at me every time I log on. If you're not involved in this thing a normal human being calls 'fun', then you're not playing a game. You're living what you consider to be a second life's calling. Which is even more ignorant. It's a game, people have fun playing games...that's what they're for.

And comedy is normally filled with childish shinanigans...just watch a comedy movie, and let me know how many things you laugh at, that you wouldn't do irl. If you watch comedy's and don't laugh...nuff said.

[hecate355]

you picked on someone, he reacted on your provocative act. put yourself in his position, basically what you did was mocking his lfm and preferred playing criteria.

making that joke was fine, booting for it was fine as well, i can perfectly well understand both sides. this is not the matter that should result in a discussion. we all have ego's, we all get offended by some things. its not possible to draw straight line there, for him it was enough of a reason to boot you,

you would have done same in some other situation regarding matters important for you.

[TitoJ]

this is not the matter that should result in a discussion.

Always find it funny when people enter a discussion, and then say how irrelevant it is.

The people who actually think this, are the mass majority who don't actually post in the discussion.

I guess we're all lucky you're not the one who dictates relevance...or else we'd have nothing but hypocrisy to talk about.

[mws2970]

I always find it funny how these threads digress from the original purpose.

Yes, I know. This post is not about the OP. :P

[Hendrik]

Against a pug leader like that, I'm inclined to say go for the hat trick.

/signed

:cool:

[hecate355]

Always find it funny when people enter a discussion, and then say how irrelevant it is.

The people who actually think this, are the mass majority who don't actually post in the discussion.

I guess we're all lucky you're not the one who dictates relevance...or else we'd have nothing but hypocrisy to talk about.

that wasnt exactly what i was trying to say, let me rephrase, you can discuss it til last days eve. in other words its subjective, where exactly does one draw line is up to him/her.

i didnt come here to make fun of either side, just pointed out possible viewpoint from other side of fence.

[Phidius]

I refrain from putting "don't die" in my LFM's because anyone can have a special moment, and find themselves hypnotised by the spinning icon.

I use "don't release" because that loss of XP is something someone does on purpose.

Maybe the leader didn't realize that you weren't in the quest, and when your HP started to slowly come back he figured you had released, and was trying to prevent the loss of the other 10% bonus?


... If you watch comedy's and don't laugh...nuff said.

To be fair, some things that Hollywood calls "Comedy" just ain't funny.

Lethal Weapon 3... really?

[Hokonoso]

lol to the 'dont die' party leaders. as someone leveling a double TR that is currently 18 and dual boxing a sorc i always account for the -10% that will come when someone dies, infact i go so far as to simply kill one of my characters so i can drag them to the end to make it faster since i know someone is gonna die anyways. 4.3 mil xp is a lot and that 10% adds up, but seriously, it's only 10%!!! at the end of the day, if you die every quest or dont, it only amounts to doing a few more quests to finish it up, especially when you dont go to the next level until you have grinded a certain quest x number of times, it evens out in the end...

now, if you could hold levels until 20 (not just 2 levels) then it would make a big difference, as you could ransack all the low lvl high xp quests 15 times and be lvl 8 yet held to lvl 17 and then it would start to count...

it's sad that i think i could easier find 4.3 mil xp lvls 1-12 than 12-20...

[Thrudh]

some folks take their adventuring (and their game time) a bit more seriously,
or at least the 10% xp afforded for survivor/victory bonus.

Sad.



Especially in quests like WizKing where the total xp will be pretty grand, and the 10% is significant.

Actually the base xp is nice, but you actually get MORE exp from the optionals, which are NOT affected by the 10% bonus

[Ninety0ne]

I guess you must have missed the part about this being a game, and not a second life's calling...

But if you've been falling victim to some low level sharing, I'd look somewhere very reflective to find the actual problem.

Not only is that absolutely hilarious, it's also hilarious that you'd actually get po'd about it. I'mma try that one, from one guy who can pick up most quests...to you, who would ask for a share to Stormcleave Outpost lol.

I also fail to see how mild mannered joking can be rude and disrespectful. Who is he to me? My pappy? Should I look at the floor and say "yes sir" while he speaks to me sternly? lol...

i think what you miss is your "joking" is played out and boring. Dropping grease for a lol wipe in traps with friends is funny, quest sharing/pretending to die while death porting is justtedious and overdone. Repetetion kills even funny jokes let alone the crappy one cited here. it is only a game but spending 15 min possibly exposed to a guy telling lame jokes is still 15 min that i want back.

[Phidius]

...Repetetion kills even funny jokes let alone the crappy one cited here. it is only a game but spending 15 min possibly exposed to a guy telling lame jokes is still 15 min that i want back.

A little part of me dies inside everytime I run a Shroud where someone doesn't make a joke about the death getting to part 5.

[Thelmallen]

My heavens I can't believe how many uptight people are agreeing with the party leader in the OP. This is why I don't pug.

[Taimasan]

Lol I can imagine him just coming from a group where people run around like crazy in the quest getting the dungeon alert up to red and then *ding*. In frustration you go out and smoke a cig, just to find they re-entered, in trying to be nice you try and get them through the quest then wipe on the boss fight. Hehe, ive guess been in these groups before with my second TR. Yea he was being stupid booting you like that but those pugs can sure give you a short fuse. What you did was obviously a joke though, some people feel like they are exercising some kind of non-existent "power" over you by doing things like that. People having delusions of grandeur problems on a MMO, who would of ever thought? ;). What I like to do is just be a decent player then when they do something out out line, just bring it up in the next non-pug raid group, the embarrassment will be good enough. =)

[justplayingthegame]

Shoulda went for the hat trick.

Relog onto another toon, join party.

Get into the quest. Head right back out into the desert. Re-enter. Go find somewhere in quest to die. Res out, leave party.

Or am I being too mean?







well. there is joking around like what the OP did, then theres being an A$$ like what your suggesting.
Pulling a stunt like what your suggesting would get you squelched, and your guild blacklisted by most.

[Wren666]

some folks take their adventuring (and their game time) a bit more seriously,
or at least the 10% xp afforded for survivor/victory bonus.
Especially in quests like WizKing where the total xp will be pretty grand, and the 10% is significant.

Gotta say, I'd have booted you as well, just to save myself the potential grie...er...humorous actions I could likely expect later in the quest.

If you don't want to respect a group or a group leader, why bother wasting their time?

EDIT: Yikes - Looking at the other responses, I reckin I'm a tightwad - lol. Least I know what to expect now! :Dplus uno.

That leader must've been having one of those days when you meet just too many goofballs trying pretend they put some points into an imaginary Humor skill, while you're busy working hard to feed a family of starving alts. :p

[Wren666]

No, no you're not LOL. Make sure you step out, then back in first, so they also get re-entry neg lol....

Nah, I wasn't ticked about it...but that is funny.and then you see all the threads peppered around these forums warning other people of players and their guilds with that kind of behavior :rolleyes:

Make up your minds fellas.

[Cyr]

Shoulda went for the hat trick.

Relog onto another toon, join party.

Get into the quest. Head right back out into the desert. Re-enter. Go find somewhere in quest to die. Res out, leave party.

Or am I being too mean?

That would be griefing.

It's not okay to join parties with the intent to mess up their gaming experience...no matter how much someone annoyed you in the past.