Lag, is it really worth 15 a month?

[Demonside]

Seems like lately we are having alot more lag. dont know why, or how but I thought if it was just me, id let it go and not post about it. But, several if not all my guild is having 1-5 seconds lag. you can tell easy when you run up to a mob swing 3-5 times before damage starts to register. Now I guess Im a patient person, and I very much enjoy playing this game. But, I have come to feel as if turbine(or whoever controls this company now) cares little for these issues. They keep poppin new and exciting things for us to do, which is cool and all. How about fixen what you already have ingame, before putting more stuff to lag cause of improper coding, or flaws with the overall design.

I guess the point Im tryin to make-If you are going to charge WoW monthly prices. then I sorta expect things to run as such. You can say what you like, but im packing a very well respected cable company, and on any other game I play I do not have this lag(and omg lets not even mention shroud, most horrible place-ALWAYS lagging in there)

In Short, pls add somemore bandwidth to support the increasing population to the server, or upgrade your servers with more RAM, Im very sure there is plenty that can be done to fix some of this lag. Im pretty educated in these matters when it comes to how these servers can and should run. but seems like someone is lacking the want to make things work smoothly, anyways I vote to stop with all the new updates and fix what you already have ingame that doesnt work properly and lags like its still in beta testing sometimes.

Thanks, and we shall see if paying for vip remains worth it.

[vrobel]

No lag for me or any of my Friends.... Maybe its youre Connection or your pc is lame

[aristarchus1000]

You may need to do some investigation as to why you are getting lag. I didn't have much lag at all today and was raiding for a few hours. I would start by testing your connection and your service. I don't think you can safely assume that it is Turbine's fault.

[CaseStringer]

It's well worth $9.98/month for me... There is is no lag. That was all fixed in U7. Get a real PC or ISP w/ some ballz. ;)

[vrobel]

Seems like lately we are having alot more lag. dont know why, or how but I thought if it was just me, id let it go and not post about it. But, several if not all my guild is having 1-5 seconds lag. you can tell easy when you run up to a mob swing 3-5 times before damage starts to register. Now I guess Im a patient person, and I very much enjoy playing this game. But, I have come to feel as if turbine(or whoever controls this company now) cares little for these issues. They keep poppin new and exciting things for us to do, which is cool and all. How about fixen what you already have ingame, before putting more stuff to lag cause of improper coding, or flaws with the overall design.

I guess the point Im tryin to make-If you are going to charge WoW monthly prices. then I sorta expect things to run as such. You can say what you like, but im packing a very well respected cable company, and on any other game I play I do not have this lag(and omg lets not even mention shroud, most horrible place-ALWAYS lagging in there)

In Short, pls add somemore bandwidth to support the increasing population to the server, or upgrade your servers with more RAM, Im very sure there is plenty that can be done to fix some of this lag. Im pretty educated in these matters when it comes to how these servers can and should run. but seems like someone is lacking the want to make things work smoothly, anyways I vote to stop with all the new updates and fix what you already have ingame that doesnt work properly and lags like its still in beta testing sometimes.

Thanks, and we shall see if paying for vip remains worth it.

Not to Be mean but you should rather ask "Is my Pc really 600$ worth"or is my electricity Bill worth 80$ per month" atlasse in my opinion
Im Flying to Mars Cya in 30 Light Years NANOOOO NENOOOOO!

[donfilibuster]

However, theres subtle differences between how it was before u7 and now.
Longer loading times for all your guildies, more disk swap that u had before, fps lag where there wasn't any before, etc.
And on spikes you are unable to jump around properly or messes with your targetting.

But there's no trace of dps lag or isp lag or latency or market lag, it's all quite weird.
Nor see more ram usage than before, though not so sure on cpu.
Yet something is going on, silently but annoying. Lag in small doses still feels like lag.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Virtually no lag for me.

It's obviously something to do with your PC/Connection.

[flynnjsw]

For me it depends on my connection. Play where I usually play from and I get a bit of lag. Play from home and I get virtually none.

[Demonside]

I guess posting something like this would open the forum trolls to all kinds of un-needed comments.

keep in mind latency and lag are also dictaded by how close or how far away you are from the server, and Im betting this one is in west coast, as with most of these f2p/p2p games seem to be. anyways, I have no lag in wow. none in call of duty(which is totally amazing), yet I always get lag when playing this game, sometimes very little, sometimes gets so bad, dont even wanna run raids. I wanna give you good realistics about this game.

(1) the code is ancient, well not ancient but erm the engine is pretty old.
(2) has anyone downloaded this game lately? takes forever even with a decent connection, 15-20mins, then when u think ur good to go, a 1/2 hour to 1 hour to update the client? really turbine hasnt released a new client download in what 5 years?
(3) your trying to compete with a gaming market that is expanding beyond anyones expectations, and these games are by far much more interactive, and in some cases(depending on the player) more enjoyable and they are cheaper monthly to play(or if they are the same price) they offer far better playing enviroments.

you guys can bash my opinions all you want, but eh Im really starting to think a monthly bill for this game is about over, forum trolls with delete powers are welcome to delete this. people tend to bury the truth, when it arises anyways.

I know what a good performing ddo game feels like, Ive had them plenty on here. I never said it always lagged, but as of late it has become a little more noticable and constant.

[jwdaniels]

I guess posting something like this would open the forum trolls to all kinds of un-needed comments.

keep in mind latency and lag are also dictaded by how close or how far away you are from the server, and Im betting this one is in west coast, as with most of these f2p/p2p games seem to be. anyways, I have no lag in wow. none in call of duty(which is totally amazing), yet I always get lag when playing this game, sometimes very little, sometimes gets so bad, dont even wanna run raids. I wanna give you good realistics about this game.

(1) the code is ancient, well not ancient but erm the engine is pretty old.
(2) has anyone downloaded this game lately? takes forever even with a decent connection, 15-20mins, then when u think ur good to go, a 1/2 hour to 1 hour to update the client? really turbine hasnt released a new client download in what 5 years?
(3) your trying to compete with a gaming market that is expanding beyond anyones expectations, and these games are by far much more interactive, and in some cases(depending on the player) more enjoyable and they are cheaper monthly to play(or if they are the same price) they offer far better playing enviroments.

you guys can bash my opinions all you want, but eh Im really starting to think a monthly bill for this game is about over, forum trolls with delete powers are welcome to delete this. people tend to bury the truth, when it arises anyways.

I know what a good performing ddo game feels like, Ive had them plenty on here. I never said it always lagged, but as of late it has become a little more noticable and constant.

1) The WoW engine is older than DDO.

2) If I remember correctly, the game downloads Korthos first and then the rest of the game, so new people can jump right in while the game finishes. 1:00 to 1:30 is not really all that long of a time to download that much data, but this also will depend on your connection.

3) This game is f2p. My monthly cost is $0. Unless you're a paid game tester for another company, it is impossible for a game to cost less.

EDIT: And for what it's worth, I don't have lag and I'm on the east coast of the US.

[FuzzyDuck81]

average 120-140ms ping here, and i'm in UK... totally manageable, though i generally notice it to be a little laggy approx 9-11pm GMT (so just coming onto peak US time). also sometimes get between 0.1% to 0.4% signal loss, though thats most likely because I have a wireless connection between pc & router

[Riorik]

Like some have said, how well the game works depends on a lot of factors...not all of them within the control of Turbine. That doesn't mean they get a free pass...but seriously, there's lots of stuff that affects your game experience. Just like with any other troubleshooting experience, you have to isolate and update the process piece by piece.

For starters, de-tune the game settings. DDO looks fabulous on Ultra High Settings and my computers can handle Very High all the time...but I deliberately tune mine down another notch to improve gameplay, sometimes. There's also the rest of your internet experience. Having issues loading webpages anywhere? There's a good chance you've got something else going on with your ISP. Frankly, that one is possibly the hardest to fix since you'll have to be persistent...test, complain, retest, complain...it's likely to take at least weeks if not months and you're going to have to be diplomatic at EVERY step to get results (instead of a customer service rep able to ignore you).

I think this thread was really just a frustration venting thing. You may already know some of this. Good Luck.

[oberon131313]

I guess posting something like this would open the forum trolls to all kinds of un-needed comments.

keep in mind latency and lag are also dictaded by how close or how far away you are from the server, and Im betting this one is in west coast, as with most of these f2p/p2p games seem to be. anyways, I have no lag in wow. none in call of duty(which is totally amazing), yet I always get lag when playing this game, sometimes very little, sometimes gets so bad, dont even wanna run raids. I wanna give you good realistics about this game.

(1) the code is ancient, well not ancient but erm the engine is pretty old.
(2) has anyone downloaded this game lately? takes forever even with a decent connection, 15-20mins, then when u think ur good to go, a 1/2 hour to 1 hour to update the client? really turbine hasnt released a new client download in what 5 years?
(3) your trying to compete with a gaming market that is expanding beyond anyones expectations, and these games are by far much more interactive, and in some cases(depending on the player) more enjoyable and they are cheaper monthly to play(or if they are the same price) they offer far better playing enviroments.

you guys can bash my opinions all you want, but eh Im really starting to think a monthly bill for this game is about over, forum trolls with delete powers are welcome to delete this. people tend to bury the truth, when it arises anyways.

I know what a good performing ddo game feels like, Ive had them plenty on here. I never said it always lagged, but as of late it has become a little more noticable and constant.

1) wow is older
2)yes, they have
3)no comment, other than most servers are located on the east coast, with the exception of 1 (can't remember which one).

Trolling or not, if you are having tons of lag issues, even off-peak times, then the fault lies on your end, or on your isp (which is more likely)

Lag can also be determined by crappy isps, and I'd guess that's where your issue is.

[d4rkstars]

playing on Cannith since the launch, never had the slightest lag (exept the strange thing that happen at the end of part 1 in shroud which i still cant explain, but it isnt really a problem)

[CaptainPurge]

Are you going to mention where it is your lag is taking place? What zones? What raids? This is far more important than posting a "I have lag" post. Personally, tonight, I noticed that lag in the Subterrane is gone (finally!) and that's good stuff. Where's your lag?

[deadkitty]

I've recently noticed a few rescent influx of lag spikes, that would appear to be server side. But then again I could be wrong, but quite a times mid raid, the whole party will get a lag spike and be able to take no action for a few seconds to even a minute. It has wipped a few abbot runs i've run. Or I like when you're running and get slungshot back 50 feet. Or even when your heal's and spells start going on a 5-10 second delay before actually casting. It would be hard to believe that every person in the group experience a slow PC or bad ISP all at the same time, on mutliple occasions. And I really love the zone crashes to desktop, still havn't found a solution to that problem. Just my two sense on what I have noticed.

[CaptainPurge]

And I really love the zone crashes to desktop, still havn't found a solution to that problem.

That really gets my goat. I'm even crashing when zoning between market/houses now. ***BBQ?

[deadkitty]

That really gets my goat. I'm even crashing when zoning between market/houses now. ***BBQ?

It's disapointing, I started a new toon the other day just to play around with while my mains are on timers for raids. Get to korthos do a quest, recall, zone crash.... load in... zone crash again... load up again... zone crash... at that point I just went to bed. But really... Korthos isn't even safe anymore.

[Tumarek]

Hmmm really old and tired PC and mediocre connection here, plus sitting in germany and only an occasional lag spike in shroud. Not even every run. With a better PC i dont think i would see much lag at all... must be your setup.

Also game hardly ever crashes when zoning in... maybe 10 times in the last year.

[deadkitty]

Hmmm really old and tired PC and mediocre connection here, plus sitting in germany and only an occasional lag spike in shroud. Not even every run. With a better PC i dont think i would see much lag at all... must be your setup.

Also game hardly ever crashes when zoning in... maybe 10 times in the last year.

Its not my PC or my connection

Intel I7 Quad Core Processor
8GB of RAM
Duel Nvidea GTX 260's

Not my machine
And with 16MB Up/5 MB down connection doubtfull its my ISP either

[xxScoobyDooxx]

I guess posting something like this would open the forum trolls to all kinds of un-needed comments.

I am not a troll ... I own an ISP


keep in mind latency and lag are also dictaded by how close or how far away you are from the server,

Lag and latency are not the issue Jitter and packet loss are. I have 240ms (live on other side of the planet) latency and I have zero in game issues. Jitter is changes in latency ...... i.e 240 240 480 240 650 480 240. this example will mess with your game. Packet loss = packets don't get there (obvious :)

There are plenty of things that are more likely to be making your experience suck other than Turbine servers or their game code.

If the servers are overloaded then EVERYONE suffers. If their game code sucks then EVERYONE suffers. These aren't the issue.

I don't have any in game issues ever, but I own a very expensive rig and an ISP.

The path your traffic takes to get to DDO is different to the path it takes to get to other online games. If the path to DDO gets congested because your ISP is having issues then DDO will suck for you and other games may not.

It is easy to blame turbine .... unfortunately they are the least likely place a problem like you are having will be.

Learn about how to properly test your Internet connection and how to test your rig. Last time I posted this kind of advice in a similar themed thread the OP ended up having only 1G of memory running windows 7 and a crappy video card. She upgraded and had a 100% improvement in game play.

I empathize with ya OP ..... having the game perform poorly would make me mad as hell. Hope you find a way to sort it :)

[CherryHaze]

The lag thing is becous of all the new events that ddo has put out in hte last times(wich i dont like that much), i've noticed taht as soon the evevents end, tha lag is less ... and I would agrre with all the people that prefer bug fiksing rather then new updites .... just skip one, and focus on the bugs.

if enione is serously bothered bi the lag,... just dont pay 15 bucks a month :P

[ZeroStar]

I also have TONS of lag, I did discover that it was at peak playing times and I have a seriously old graphics card. So I'm fixing that.

I LOVE this game, but I have found myself playing at odd times of day to avoid server lag. It takes me nearly 15 minutes to load the marketplace sometimes. You aren't the only one.

[Gustel]

i have some lag latly aswell.actully is getting worse. At first when upadate come was lag on spikes, when servers seemed too be busy, but now its occassional lag even on free hours, and in every party I am there r allway a couple of ppl who lag, most offten including me.

NOTE: im from central europe, and our country has its connection weired over another for global server, yet it seems that all network works fine exept DDO

[Dex]

I hear ya Scoob, I am a network engineer and until recently was tier 3&4 network support for a major global public IP provider, but... Looking at blizzard, all their stuff hangs directly off of AT&T, whereas to get to turbine, I go through a public nap, and though I have little to no lag issues, you know how dicey those can be. Feel free to post your traceroutes here people. If you don't know what a traceroute is, stay on the porch.

Oh and by the way Strecth, I have seen plenty of people with a high end system have issues, though more horsepower is always a boon. Oh, and your gf is hot, but what is that she is pointing to in the picture? lol


I am not a troll ... I own an ISP



Lag and latency are not the issue Jitter and packet loss are. I have 240ms (live on other side of the planet) latency and I have zero in game issues. Jitter is changes in latency ...... i.e 240 240 480 240 650 480 240. this example will mess with your game. Packet loss = packets don't get there (obvious :)

There are plenty of things that are more likely to be making your experience suck other than Turbine servers or their game code.

If the servers are overloaded then EVERYONE suffers. If their game code sucks then EVERYONE suffers. These aren't the issue.

I don't have any in game issues ever, but I own a very expensive rig and an ISP.

The path your traffic takes to get to DDO is different to the path it takes to get to other online games. If the path to DDO gets congested because your ISP is having issues then DDO will suck for you and other games may not.

It is easy to blame turbine .... unfortunately they are the least likely place a problem like you are having will be.

Learn about how to properly test your Internet connection and how to test your rig. Last time I posted this kind of advice in a similar themed thread the OP ended up having only 1G of memory running windows 7 and a crappy video card. She upgraded and had a 100% improvement in game play.

I empathize with ya OP ..... having the game perform poorly would make me mad as hell. Hope you find a way to sort it :)

[jojje_b]

i dont have the best computer out there but its good enuf to play ddo without any lagg issues, the thing that gets to me is the constant crashes and the occasional freeze wich the entire party suffers. as a healer im greatly bothered by the healing delay that happens somethimes too. or the times where the party just stops taking damage for a second or two then gets hit by all the damage at once (mostly happens in shroud). these are things that the entire party experiences and not just me. these things dont happen often but when they do they often cause wipes.

[Wizard_Zero]

For a long time, I was a huge believer that DDO was the problem for lag, especially since other games don't have lag. Just last week, I did a complete system restore on my laptop and had everything wiped. Everywhere I had lag before (Sub, Shroud, etc.) is completely gone. I can't explain it, perhaps it's all the updates DDO does and things get messy internally, IDK. All I know is, that DDO is running smoother than ever at max graphics. ZERO LAG!

So if you have horrible lag and a good computer (cause you underpowered computer could be the problem too), perhaps you need to completely wipe your hard drive if it's not too much trouble. I know high-end gamers wipe their computers every 6 months or so for system intensive games, I just didn't think you needed to do it for DDO, but it seems to have done the trick.

[Drona]

I am from India, I have a okay system*, bad ISP (1 Mbps) but I do not have any lag. How can it be? Try the following settings which I did:

1) Remove Windows 7. Install Windows XP
2) Install DX 9.0c
3) Turn off High graphics - I run with low and medium options.
4) Turn off Shadows
5) Close all browser windows. If you are in the middle of download, pause it.
6) Turn off Anti-virus - if you cannot, put it in Gaming mode - all new versions have them
7) Close all auto-update options from the programs installed in your PC - they ll start updating when you are busy running in shroud.

*crappy system details:
Intel dual core
2 GB RAM
On-board Graphics card.

If I can play with the above crappy system without any problems, 8000 miles from the server, you make a guess whose fault it is.

Thanks
Drona

[Dex]

I am from India, I have a okay system*, bad ISP (1 Mbps) but I do not have any lag. How can it be?


As Scooby explained before, it isn't necessarily bandwidth or latency. A lot of times it is jitter, which is wild swings in latency. Causes much havoc with real time applications, especially VOIP.

Dex