Change to Necro 2 Quest Series?

[jjflanigan]

I was going back through the Necro 2 series on my level 20 sorc with a hireling to get an opener available for the Shadow Crypt (part 5 in the series). I reran the first four quests and then realized I hadn't reset the Shadow Crypt yet.

Filled with dread and forboding I went to talk to the quest giver, prepared to have the entire chain reset and having to run the first four again when, lo and behold!, "Reset the Shadow Crypt (Note: This will only reset The Shadow Crypt)" was presented in the chat dialog!!!

Sure enough, I was able to repeat the shadow crypt quest without having to reset the entire Necro 2 chain!

Not sure when this changed or if it is common knowledge, but it was new (and VERY happy) information for me.

[Phidius]

First I've heard of it.

Are you saying that you can now run the Shadow Crypt over and over without re-running the 4 Shadow quests?

It sounds like you are saying that you can reset the Shadow Crypt after you re-run the 4 quests, instead of having to reset the Shadow Crypt first.

[learst]

Lol Phidius.

Sounds awesome. I remembered when I had to reset the Shadow Crypt or the Cursed Crypt too. *shudders*

[jjflanigan]

First I've heard of it.

Are you saying that you can now run the Shadow Crypt over and over without re-running the 4 Shadow quests?

It sounds like you are saying that you can reset the Shadow Crypt after you re-run the 4 quests, instead of having to reset the Shadow Crypt first.

I haven't tried running shadow crypt and then seeing if I can just repeat it yet so the bit in red is all that I have "confirmed". Since I just wanted to get this guy up to be an opener I'm not willing to throw that away yet. I'll be running my level 10 TR through soon and will see what happens with him.

However, I'm thinking that, with the way it was worded, as long as the first 4 are completed I'll be able to repeat the shadow crypt without having to redo the first 4 each time. I'm hopeful that it will work like the changes to the raid pre-reqs they did where you just have to do the chain once after the change and then you can repeat the "end" from that point on.

[Dulcimerist]

Are the other Necro chains like this now, too? :)

[Phidius]

Are the other Necro chains like this now, too? :)

The Cursed Crypt was modified to allow you to run it over and over without re-running the 4 pre-reqs, so there's precedent for this to be changed for the Shadow Crypt and Bloody Crypt.

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If this is in fact true, TRs everywhere just came in their pants.

[Hokonoso]

If this is in fact true, TRs everywhere just came in their pants.

i always kept perma openers for all the crypts so this was never an issue, but after TR'ing all my openers to half-orc...... this is now a nice change!!!

[PNellesen]

If this is in fact true, TRs everywhere just came in their pants.

Not just TRs ;)

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Myth busted :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v162/rest_rsx/DDO/shadow_crypt.jpg

[jjflanigan]

Alright -- so apparently it's only if you re-run the first 4 and then go to reset the Shadow Crypt it won't reset the entire chain. It was a "bug fix" and not a "Make the players super happy fix"

[ahpook]

Alright -- so apparently it's only if you re-run the first 4 and then go to reset the Shadow Crypt it won't reset the entire chain. It was a "bug fix" and not a "Make the players super happy fix"

Yes. The text you saw is also what you get after resetting the entire chain and running the four prequests. You will then get the text You saw when you go to redo the shadow crypt. The bloody crypt works the same way.

[rest]

Alright -- so apparently it's only if you re-run the first 4 and then go to reset the Shadow Crypt it won't reset the entire chain. It was a "bug fix" and not a "Make the players super happy fix"

That I can live with, assuming it's true. I'll blast through those 4 quick-like and see if that's the case later on tonight.

[jjflanigan]

That I can live with, assuming it's true. I'll blast through those 4 quick-like and see if that's the case later on tonight.

It's either true or was a fluke somehow on my level 20 ;). Never hurts to get a second confirmation though

[Ovrad]

Far as I can tell, nothing has changed.

-After you ran the crypt, you get the reset the shadow crypt (reset all) option.
-Once you rerun all the other quests, you get the reset the shadow crypt (crypt only) option.

[rest]

Far as I can tell, nothing has changed.

-After you ran the crypt, you get the reset the shadow crypt (reset all) option.
-Once you rerun all the other quests, you get the reset the shadow crypt (crypt only) option.

used to be no reset for crypt only. you'd have to run em all again to get the crypt open again unless you're window farming.bringing in an opener. So I'm gonna assume it changed, since we have more confirmation from this guy:


It's either true or was a fluke somehow on my level 20 ;). Never hurts to get a second confirmation though

Here's to hoping.

[Ovrad]

used to be no reset for crypt only. you'd have to run em all again to get the crypt open again unless you're window farming.

The crypt only reset is ONLY available once you re-flagged all the 4 others, and is only good for 1 trip to the crypt. This is not new

[rest]

The crypt only reset is ONLY available once you re-flagged all the 4 others, and is only good for 1 trip to the crypt. This is not new

Pretty sure you're wrong about that, my friend. Hence why this thread was created.

[Ovrad]

Pretty sure you're wrong about that, my friend. Hence why this thread was created.

Look at post #10 then...

[Alavatar]

Look at post #10 then...

Look at who posted post #10, then look at who you replied to. ;)

[Ovrad]

Look at who posted post #10, then look at who you replied to. ;)

So he brought proof nothing changed, then said it did? Anyway, all I'm saying is everything that's been said in this thread is exactly the same as it was before, and we heard no words from the devs that the flagging was changed.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it change too, it's really a annoying flagging system...

[rest]

So he brought proof nothing changed, then said it did? Anyway, all I'm saying is everything that's been said in this thread is exactly the same as it was before, and we heard no words from the devs that the flagging was changed.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it change too, it's really a annoying flagging system...

I brought proof that it didn't change without rerunning the pre-reqs. The OP said that after he re-ran the pre-reqs post update, he could re-run the crypt without redoing the 4 flagging quests. I simply ran up to The Herald and tried to repeat just the crypt. Think it's just a communication breakdown. No worries :cool:

Like I said I'll re-run the pre-reqs tonight and verify that you have to run them post-update to be come perma flagged like the Cursed Crypt already is.

[jjflanigan]

In the past this was how it worked (and why people complained)

Step 1: Run all 4 pre-quests
Step 2: Run Shadow Crypt
Step 3: Repeat all 4 pre-quests
Step 4: Talk to shadow crypt quest giver and it reset the entire chain (all 4 pre-quests as well)
Step 5: Repeat all 4 pre-quests AGAIN
Step 6: Run shadow crypt


It was a little "glitch" where running the pre-quests before you reset the shadow crypt caused you to have to run the pre-quests again as they were all linked.

Now the steps appear to be:

Step 1: Run all 4 pre-quests
Step 2: Run Shadow Crypt
Step 3: Repeat all 4 pre-quests
Step 4: Talk to shadow crypt quest giver and it resets JUST the Shadow Crypt
Step 5: Run shadow crypt

It removes the break down that could happen if you re-ran the prequests prior to resetting the shadow crypt quest itself.

As I stated in the OP, I have no idea WHEN this got fixed, I just noticed it now and was very happy. I'm very prone to forgetting to reset things in the proper order (or to picking up quest rewards after running a raid), so this "glitch" caused me unending heartache back when I didn't have a quest opener for the shadowcrypt/

[Ovrad]

See this is where you're wrong. :)

It always was:

Step 1: Run all 4 pre-quests
Step 2: Run Shadow Crypt
Step 3: Talk to shadow crypt quest giver and it reset the entire chain (all 4 pre-quests as well)
Step 4: Repeat all 4 pre-quests
Step 5: Talk to shadow crypt quest giver and it reset the crypt only
Step 6: Run shadow crypt

(if you repeat again, start on step 3)

BUT if you skipped step 3 and replayed the pre-quests, you'll be stuck on step 3 again.

[jjflanigan]

See this is where you're wrong. :)

It always was:

Step 1: Run all 4 pre-quests
Step 2: Run Shadow Crypt
Step 3: Talk to shadow crypt quest giver and it reset the entire chain (all 4 pre-quests as well)
Step 4: Repeat all 4 pre-quests
Step 5: Talk to shadow crypt quest giver and it reset the crypt only
Step 6: Run shadow crypt

(if you repeat again, start on step 3)

BUT if you skipped step 3 and replayed the pre-quests, you'll be stuck on step 3 again.

Nope, if you read what I wrote, I'm not wrong. I stated exactly what you said including the part you had in the "BUT" section. Trust me on this one, I've been burned by it enough to know exactly how it functioned previously ;)

Previously people would run the shadow crypt and then just re-do the 4 pre-quests without talking to the Shadow Crypt quest giver and that "bugged it out" and forced them to run the 4 pre-quests AGAIN after talking to the Shadow Crypt quest giver. It now no longer seems to be that way.

*EDIT*

Again, though, I have no clue how long ago they fixed it. It's possible it was fixed by the time you started playing, but it hasn't always been this way :D

*EDIT #2*

It's also possible that something weird happened with my Sorc and it isn't really fixed which is why I'm looking forward to someone else testing it as well.

[Antheal]

Remind me, is Window Farming frowned upon for these quests?

Because if you think I'm going to re-run the first four every time I want to do the last crypt, think again.

Imagine having to re-run Heyton's Rest, The Storehouse's Secret and The Cannith Crystal every time you wanted to run The Collaborator...

[Ovrad]

All right, well, let's hope someone can get a confirmation or not. I know I won't risk re-running all flagging quests without talking to the guy first. :D