Attack of the Tards; Please Improve Squelch

[merkovah]

Is it me, or has DDO recently been over run by a horde of elitist tards ? In the year and a half I've been playing, I have never encountered so many rude, belligerent, crude and ignorant people as I have in the past two weeks.

The over-whelming amount of 'mommy-tattle-talers' are a little extreme as well.

Just because I play a class or a combo that you don't approve of, doesn't give you cause to say that the class, or style, or whatever it is I am doing is stupid.

It also isn't a reason for you to verbally bash me.

If you put up a LFG for half an hour, and are obviously waiting for a group, why in the world would you turn somebody down because they don't have a build you approve of ? It's no wonder that you remain in a 1 person PUG.

Just because I disagree with your stupid comment, and after you call me stupid for having a class / or build you do not like and in turn call you stupid ... is not a reason to go and report me to a DM for inappropriate language.

When you started lambasting me for my play style I didn't run to mommy and say that you were calling me stupid. It's elite when you can't take your own medicine ...

Just because I play a cleric, or a wizard, or a ranger, or whatever you don't approve of, and because I do not min/max in the way you think I should, or use the spells you think I should, or have a prestige class that you think sucks ... is no reason to be abusive to me.

Just because I don't want to turn on my speakers and listen to your burps, farts, bad music, screaming children, bong hits and food chewing is not a reason to call me names, boot me from a group, or otherwise treat me as less than human. And whatever person said that 'a microphone and speakers really enhances the ddo experience' either only plays with friends and guildies, or just has no clue.

It's really killing my enjoyment of DDO.

And, not everybody is like this ; I encounter plenty of awesome people and skilled players ... just the last few weeks seems to be a 'bad-luck' streak of the close-encounter-of-the-idiot-type.

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I want to be able to squelch ACCOUNTS ... I don't want to deal with the idiot behind the screen, and unfortunately, there is no way to do this.

And, I'd be glad if these min/max elitist tards could squelch my account, I don't want to have anything to do with them.

When my hobby is no longer fun because of encountering rude moron after insulting moron, it's time to change hobbies.

I play this game because it's enjoyable, and after encountering so many people recently who make this experience unenjoyable, it's time to turn DDO off for a bit.

DDO really needs to improve the squelch system.

DDO is _losing money_ because they have a bad squelch system ...

... players will leave and not return if the social aspect isn't enjoyable, and squelch is a massively useful tool to keep the people we have negative encounters with away from us so that we don't have to encounter them again.

[Cauthey]

I'm not sure how much cash Turbine is losing over squelch related issues. But I will agree with you that the squelching system is due for some improvement.

I believe that the ceiling for squelching is 200. This seems like an arbitrary number. While I am no where near having 200 on my list, there still doesn't seem to be any sense in capping this at 200. Why not 500? Or even simpler: unlimited? (There very well may be archetechture reasons for SOME kind of ceiling.)

Squelching entire accounts could be problematic. If I'm a jerk, and have toons CautheyMeany, MeanyCauthey, and ButtholeStink, are you suggesting that /squelch add CautheyMeany should squelch all alts?

Because what happens later when you want to group with ButtholeStink? You can't do it, and you realize it must be a squelch problem. Well, /squelch remove ButtholeStink doesn't work now since you squelched my other toon.

There may be a better way to do this, but I think that the devs would probably rather spend their time fixing more game wracking bugs and adding content rather than completely overhauling the squelch system.

[merkovah]

It isn't the toon that is the problem ; it's the player behind the toon.

[Cleanincubus]

Squelch in fact DOES squelch the entire account (per server anyways). That's why the squelch list fills up so fast, because it squelches alts too.

[Cauthey]

Squelch in fact DOES squelch the entire account (per server anyways). That's why the squelch list fills up so fast, because it squelches alts too.


That's right, it does. I forgot about that. I guess you won't be partying with ButtholeStink anytime soon, then. :D

[cdbd3rd]

Just because I disagree with your stupid comment, and after you call me stupid for having a class / or build you do not like and in turn call you stupid ... is not a reason to go and report me to a DM for inappropriate language. ....


This part.

You allowed yourself to get drawn out into the open for effective counter-fire. Gotta stay grounded even in the face of enemy fire - safety first, & all that.

If someone is baiting you with comments, just /squelch from the get-go to avoid getting yourself in hot water. Do not return comments or debate to attacks, for as you've apparently seen already, many folks in game now enjoy that kind of thing.

:cool:

[Aaxeyu]

If you put up a LFG for half an hour, and are obviously waiting for a group, why in the world would you turn somebody down because they don't have a build you approve of ?

Namely dungeon scaling and group-wide death penalty.

[Spoonwelder]

Unless it is one of the very hard quests, waiting 1/2 hour for the perfect group isn't worth the time. More often than not you could complete the quest entirely in that amount of time.

[Khumbaaba]

What happened? It sounds like you're having problems with a bunch of other toons.

[spear67]

IMHO, if the quest depends that badly on the 'perfect team' you shouldn't be doing a pug for it.

But I have noticed I've been using the squelch function alot lately, alot of people making it obvious in general that they're the sort of gamers who really need to go back to remedial kindergarten because they flunked their 'playing well with others" lessons.

And I like the squelch by account, odds are if I squelch someone, I'm not going to want to play with one of their other toons either. As someone stated before, it's the player that bothers me, not the character. And if anyone's thinking the RP angle, there's a big difference between someone RP'ing an arrogant character, and the player being a donkey's rear.

[madmaxhunter]

While I agree with nearly 50 percent of what the OP says, I have to strongly disagree with one point.

"And whatever person said that 'a microphone and speakers really enhances the ddo experience' either only plays with friends and guildies, or just has no clue."

Wha? Sorry, but I played for quite some time without using voice, now use it as a rule. The difference with real-time instruction/warning DOES enhance the ddo experience greatly. Especially when running with newbs new to the quest being run. I dislike having to stop in quest to type the answer to a non-voice/speaker equiped players question. I mean really, it's a choice of stopping what your doing and typing "trap" or just pressing "F" and saying trap.

Now the ambient noise you hate so much does suck. Very simple though, tell them to switch to push to talk. If they don't, drop. I've never had to drop for refusal.

I've gone through phases of angst and anger with players. I then achieved the mindset that it's not worth getting my dander up. This game has it's share of elitists, trolls, nOObs and pikers. You must either learn to live with the slime or shut off the computer and take a shower.

Edit: and one other thing, my sister is mentally challenged, I'm going to assume you meant mustard, right? No, I'm not the reporting type, but that word is used by children on the schoolground.

[Chai]

If you have 200 people on your squelch list, perhaps the problem isnt "them." A re-evaluation of your PUGing strategy might be in order. Selective grouping is the best key for success in an MMO if you want to play with like minded people. -Or- you can always jump into the deepest water possible than moan about how Turbine didnt offer swimming lessons or life jackets as a perk for going VIP. :p

[Qzipoun]

Playing the devil's advocate:

You are free to play the gimpiest toon you want, but as soon as you try to join a group, don't get ****ed if you're called gimp.

This happens all the time with /weird/ builds. If you're finding you have to explain yourself everytime then either stop pugging, make your own groups, explain your build and what you bring to the table (other than making quests more difficult due to scaling and less rewarding sue to dying), or just make a good enough impression that people stop rejecting you

[Chai]

Namely dungeon scaling and group-wide death penalty.

Forced cooperation gaming sucks, doesnt it?

Wait. No, actually it doesnt. I wish there was more of a relationship between group cooperation and xp increase / decrease. It would twofold:

a. Keep the moaners out of PUGs where people are actually trying to enjoy themselves.

b. Encourage experienced players to teach newer players rather than telling them their build sucks and sending them packing.

9/10ths of the game is already too easy. If you want that completion sans xp penalty you can solo or selectively group, and plow easy quests at or below level of the party for xp. PUGing is taking a risk, which is part of the challenge.

[Chai]

Playing the devil's advocate:

You are free to play the gimpiest toon you want, but as soon as you try to join a group, don't get ****ed if you're called gimp.

This happens all the time with /weird/ builds. If you're finding you have to explain yourself everytime then either stop pugging, make your own groups, explain your build and what you bring to the table (other than making quests more difficult due to scaling and less rewarding sue to dying), or just make a good enough impression that people stop rejecting you

I "explained myself" a few hours ago after being called gimp by putting 2 soul stones in my pack and soloing the rest of the quest - THEN raising their toons afterward so they could get their end chest. :D

Its a good thing I had just picked up that 4th bag slot from my coinlord friends, or I might not have had the room.

[Kominalito]

no disrespect at all to the OP but this has to be your first F2P mmo. this is how it is. you have a good community that helps when a game is P2P. then when F2P happens (in this gaming climate, they are the only feasable option for big business - right or wrong) courtesy and camaraderie go flying out the window.

i have been playing for over a year so technically in the eyes of most longtime players i'm n00b. if you just look at the chat in the past year the changes are night and day and even a noob like me can see it. =)


edited - CHAI +1. great post.

[Qzipoun]

I "explained myself" a few hours ago after being called gimp by putting 2 soul stones in my pack and soloing the rest of the quest - THEN raising their toons afterward so they could get their end chest. :D

Its a good thing I had just picked up that 4th bag slot from my coinlord friends, or I might not have had the room.

Unfortunatly this is how too many people learn.

And of course for every one of these situations, there's 10 where the gimp is the one in a bag ;)

[Sirea]

Squelch in fact DOES squelch the entire account (per server anyways). That's why the squelch list fills up so fast, because it squelches alts too.

Then explain why I have to squelch people's alts individually, and why if someone switches to an alt that I don't have squelched yet, they can still send me messages.

This is false information.

And on topic: no, it's not my problem that there is a wider influx of dumbasses that causes my squelch list to fill up abnormally fast. It's NOT my fault that people can't follow simple instructions. It's NOT my fault that people get *****y because they didn't follow instructions and bad stuff happens. It's not my fault that people like this ruin what fun I used to get out of this game. People like that are making me consider quitting, because I feel like I can't come to this game to relax, unwind, and escape everyday ******** anymore. It's gotten that bad.

[Chai]

Unfortunatly this is how too many people learn.

And of course for every one of these situations, there's 10 where the gimp is the one in a bag ;)

Oh - the gimp is always the one in the bag - its just not always the person who was called gimp, but the person who proved it, heh. :p

Lack of ability to understand what a "non standard" build can do by the person labeling it gimp is as common as actual gimp builds. Its the same mentality as the person who puts "no noobs, know what youre doing" in an LFM is many times the noob who is trying to attract someone who can actually run the quest while they cover up their piking.

We are too trapped in building for multiples of 6 and splashes of 2, and often times when something new comes along that doesnt match the cookie cutter profile that everyone expects to see, people are too daft to see why its good.

I remember when the 2 pal 2 mnk 16 sorc build first saw the light of day, and people were railing on it like they knew what they were talking about - only to find out the hard way - after it outkills them 3 to 1 repeatedly in long quests - that this is one of the best kill zone builds in the game, bar none. Standing in its own firewall, displaced and hasted, with the ability to self heal as a warforged started to see some popularity. I still see these in raids once in a while. No one questions them anymore, heh.

[Mr_Ed7]

Yes but some people (myself) WILL leave the LFM up looking for WHATEVER class I am looking for, so I will start the quest and leave that spot open.

Just because there is an LFM still up after 30 min still does not mean they NEED YOU. I may still be building a party for the NEXT quest.

Don't take it personal...start YOUR OWN group for the quest in question.

Just my take...

[NaturalHazard]

Lolz maybe something like the shared bank feature? But instead of buying extra space for stuff your paying for extra squelch space. New from the DDO store!!Up grade your squelch limmit to 500!!! for a measly 150 tp!!! :p