epic drops and protocol?

[RS-Makk]

I just started running epics and I have a questions about what drops from what and what the protocol is.

Clearly it looks like loot, and shards, drop from the end chest and I imagine that's handled like raid loot (keep what you pull or put it up for roll, your call). If I understand correctly, seals are the same things.

Now, when you get kills bags can drop and give you fragments (?) and everyone gets them like usual bags?

What about scrolls - I noticed they drop in quest.. but where do they drop from (kills, breaking stuff?) and are they also put up for roll (or is it a race to who can get it first)?

Anything I missed?

[Healsavant]

I just started running epics and I have a questions about what drops from what and what the protocol is.

Clearly it looks like loot, and shards, drop from the end chest and I imagine that's handled like raid loot (keep what you pull or put it up for roll, your call). If I understand correctly, seals are the same things.

Now, when you get kills bags can drop and give you fragments (?) and everyone gets them like usual bags?

What about scrolls - I noticed they drop in quest.. but where do they drop from (kills, breaking stuff?) and are they also put up for roll (or is it a race to who can get it first)?

Anything I missed?

Correct on seals shards and items, scrolls however are usually gathered by one person and rolled upon at quest end. A good policy if you are new to epic runs is ask at beginning if you are running with people you don't know or them you, and if this is the case you may not be the only pug, that being said stay as far from scrolls as possible, if it gets ninja looted and you aren't near it you won't be suspected, its usually pretty easy to figure it out if four guildies and one pugger are near it and you are on the other side of the room, but if you are all near it you will both het that bad rep.

[TheDearLeader]

Healsavant there said it rather well.

Treasure Bags - pick them up whenever you have a second between combat. 1 Dungeon Token Fragment, 100 in the Epic Altar makes you a full Dungeon Token.

Scrolls - Depends on the group. We're both from Sarlona, and we I guess have a little more.. etiquette? Than other servers I've heard complaining about this. In our groups, someone picks them up, calls the scroll out, its rolled for at the end.

However, if I'm running with even one PUG slot in the group, I will be fast on the pickup. Still going to call it out, still going to roll it off at the end... but there are some people out there that will take things without remorse.

It does help to ask before hand. Also, it might help to un-toggle Auto-collect on your ingredients bag, as scrolls/token fragments will slip in there by default.

[oldkraft]

Epic scrolls are of course NOT rolled for at quest end ... as such a rule has not been implicated by devs.

What has been implicated is as follows :

Crates drop random stuff of low use, and anyone who cares to pick it up. Period.
If thay contained anything of decisive value there would be a lot of talk about this, but they dont.

In the near-legendary 'WHAT-WERE.-THEY-SMOKING-update' (necro2) we also had Spawn of Whisperdoom, with its scandalous itemdrops.
I have till this day not seen this handled decently by other than myself, staying behind after completion to explain the schocked firstrunners what that was all about, and what 'some had done' ...

Lets not mention the 'warded chests' from the games heyday now.
Are they still out there ? Tsk tsk...

Surprisingly, this chain of failed distribution experiments was brought up to a new level by the epic scroll circus
(Started a new tread on the subject btw just before finding this one).

I have in 25 epics and counting only physically seen one scroll drop.
Yes someone saw it ! And said he had. WAAAAAAAA .....
The quest did never complete because of picky-bickering..... and not mine.

So why not hide those drops away all together :
Use the distribution mechanics that where developed for the Mabar Event and make the scrolls bound - even to char for that matter.

[Glenalth]

Typically...

Bags: Call them out so people know there is one around for looting after the fight.
Scrolls: Snag it and call it out for rolling at end of quest or during a lull. I've seen scrolls disappear with nobody being near them while people were rolling on who got to pick it up.
Seals/Shards: Take if if you need it, offer it up for roll otherwise.



Oldkraft, this is not about in-game rules, it's about group etiquette. Also, random bound scrolls popping into inventory would make epic items an order of magnitude more difficult to create.

[oldkraft]

... random bound scrolls popping into inventory would make epic items an order of magnitude more difficult to create.

As avid readers of the forums may sense, this has my interest,
(ive boosted all relevant threads up to 'latest threads' - coz of the Mabar experience.)
.
But Glenalth : I dont understand this ?
How scrolls as such make it more hard to create epic items ?
Boundness-type and droprate adjustments should, be decided by the devs to the balance the game needs,
- if these analog distributions should be digitalized.

[Glenalth]

As avid readers of the forums may sense, this has my interest,
(ive boosted all relevant threads up to 'latest threads' - coz of the Mabar experience.)
.
But Glenalth : I dont understand this ?
How scrolls as such make it more hard to create epic items ?
Boundness-type and droprate adjustments should, be decided by the devs to the balance the game needs,
- if these analog distributions should be digitalized.

If they are bound and are randomly assigned, you miss out on two very important options.

1. You cannot trade for or purchase a needed scroll.
2. Party members do not have the option of passing on unneeded scrolls as they drop.

This would make finding scrolls the hardest part of constructing an epic item and would highly compound the difficulty for areas like the desert that already have too many different scrolls falling in each quest.

[sirgog]

Base items: Some are bind to character on acquire (like the Chaosblade) - handle these like you would raidloot. Some do not bind (eg Bloodstone). On Khyber in PUGs, the general etiquette with these is loot them for yourself if they are valuable (e.g. Spectral Gloves), if they are not valuable (e.g. Cape of the Roc), ask if they are anyone's last piece for an epic upgrade and just give it to them if they are. Noone will mind you just looting the lesser ones for yourself, however.

Seals and Shards: These bind to account on acquire. If you have a level 20 that would use the epic item, loot it. If you have a toon that would use the item and expect to get them to 20 in a somewhat reasonable time - loot it. If not - put it up for /roll or trade it for another seal/shard in the same chest.

Scrolls: Already been mentioned a lot. Don't run Epics with people you don't trust.

[oldkraft]

Glenalth, I can only say that these worries, or issues, are the dev's pocket calculator's problem. I am not blind to the social aspect, just saying I dont like the prize for it.

Found this citation-worthy solution on the social subject, by community member 'Cyr' :

"This is how scroll drops should work...
Scroll drops...
everyone automatically rolls on the scroll and it goes in the winners inventory automatically...
little pop up like for collectibles pops up telling you that you picked up scroll X.
Simple, no need to run over to a mob and pick it up, and more importantly no ninja looting.
They are not bound so if you get a scroll you don't want it's easy enough to say okay I got scroll X roll d100 for it...just like now in completly honest parties.
BTW, I pug a good amount on Sarlona".



Sirgog, happy to hear you have a steady going company for epic stuff. On this server there are never more than 1 epic lfm at a time, - often none. I, at least, have to play with those who are here. Who I trust btw - to get the quest done and not wipe. Still a scroll-drop beeing announced is heard of, sure, but then rolled on in party by anyone interested is practically unheard of ... maybe in some channel-chats or teamspeaks dunno ... and thats why I think it will go my way anyhow sooner or later.

Kindergarten will win, no matter what ^^