False advertising getting irritating

[TitoJ]

I'm all about the personalized LFM advertising that goes on, to make sure you get what you want in a group. But when you advertise things...make sure you live up to what you are asking for yourself...

Two times, while leveling my barbarian, I come across groups like this.

One for Gwylan's Stand proclaims "No Wuss's", and they have 5 people in..so I think it's the group for me. Click on the lfm...and send a tell to the leader, who tells me "sorry, we need a rog". I send tell back, "aren't rog's for wuss's?" No reply. So I jump on my rog, hoping to sneak ahead and get traps quick...but they were already far along...and the first thing I hear from the leader is "Can I get a heal. Come on man...you gotta heal me." Has the definition for wuss changed?

Second one, apparently didn't appreciate me soloing ahead with my barb while they did the first cave, and told me they loved strategy over brainless fighting. I tell them what more strategy can you get than soloing? The more limited the resources...the more strategy right? Apparently not.

Then, we lose our cleric right before we go into the Mightyhoof cave...and they all sit there like we're dead in the water. I devise this plan where one person stands outside the cave, the rest of the group stands at the entrance, and the rog goes and grabs everything, brings it through the traps, and if we die fighting, the person who stood outside can just jump in and grab stones.

Not only do these people who ridiculed me for being a brainless barbarian say no to my plan...they also fail to devise any strategy other than waiting for another cleric to join....what's up with this?

I'm not a country boy or anything...but it makes me think "Where have all the cowboys gone?"

[Phidius]

...One for Gwylan's Stand proclaims "No Wuss's"...

the classic cry for help - the truly uber deliberately look for wusses to make it more of a challenge.

[Jay203]

granted there are tardheads that seriously have no clue what they're doing in game, but...
tough luck :D:D:D:D

[Memnir]

Start your own groups - set your own definitions.

[systemstate]

I joined a PuG the other day that promised beer and hot women in the lfm... Let me tell you, neither of those items were present once we got in the quest.

[TitoJ]

I joined a PuG the other day that promised beer and hot women in the lfm... Let me tell you, neither of those items were present once we got in the quest.

Alright...you were had worse than me.

[painindaguild]

I joined a PuG the other day that promised beer and hot women in the lfm... Let me tell you, neither of those items were present once we got in the quest.

i think i might have been there. only thing i got was a steaming warforged lady!?

[xanvar]

I joined a PuG the other day that promised beer and hot women in the lfm... Let me tell you, neither of those items were present once we got in the quest.

I have joined many groups that promise free cookies. Sadly though I have yet to recieve even a bad cookie. I prefer chocolate chip, but an oatmeal raisin will do in a pinch.

[Cauthey]

I joined a PuG the other day that promised beer and hot women in the lfm... Let me tell you, neither of those items were present once we got in the quest.

Well, you appear to be a warforged based on your forum avatar. :) How exactly were you going to "consume" the promised goods? :D

[EustaceTrevelyan]

Start your own groups - set your own definitions.

/this, really. I've been in some really awesome pugs, (not just the TS raids where you just sort of try not to get lost or left) but ones where everyone either knows what they're doing, or can help and direct those who don't (provided they have half a brain, and need just a few pointers. A team-killing f-tard is a team-killing f-tard, no matter how long they've played.)

And then there are the ones where no one seems to have read anything ever about DR, where people join parties and randomly pop hirelings w/o asking, and of course where ppl leapfrog over the crouched rogue into the Blender of Doom:) I'd really like to take the res shrine out of the treasure room in Xorian, and just be able to leave the stones of ppl who've set off the traps.

[systemstate]

Well, you appear to be a warforged based on your forum avatar. :) How exactly were you going to "consume" the promised goods? :D

It was a gamble, I know. I hoping the Stone of Change could make some "tasty beer oil" for me. As far as the hot ladies are concerned... Well, that's my business. :D

[Cauthey]

It was a gamble, I know. I hoping the Stone of Change could make some "tasty beer oil" for me. As far as the hot ladies are concerned... Well, that's my business. :D

LOL! Tasty beer oil! :D I might have to try brewing some of that some day! +1 for you, sir! :D

And I'll try to set aside the image of the hot ladies giving you a "tune up" in tight fitting, pit crew attire. Brings a whole new meaning to "getting screwed." :D

[TitoJ]

Start your own groups - set your own definitions.

Absolutely has nothing to do with false advertising. And even with that...you're telling, if me your advice is worth 2 cents, that weeds out these people? Apparently then, you've never followed your own advice, or you'd know different...either that or this is just a static response you give, with little to no thought.

[voodoogroves]

As far as the hot ladies are concerned... Well, that's my business. :D

Not hard to guess though there mister ... those diesel engines don't start so well in the cold. Hot is the best kind.

[rest]

Who even joins a party for Gwylans?

[TitoJ]

Who even joins a party for Gwylans?

lol...best comment by far...only noobz man, only noobz

[Lorien_the_First_One]

On the other side, isn't it fun when you start a group that says "be self sufficient - starting in 3 minutes" and then when in 3 minutes you start without a cleric/fvs and people start freaking out?

"Dude, we can't do SC without a healer, trust me I've done it like 5 times!"

/boot noob complainer(s)
/repost as "in progress" and hop in

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Who even joins a party for Gwylans?

You know its true that, especially with dungeon scaling, you are stupid to party with others for those lowbie quests...and yet... I can't get away from feeling like we SHOULD party because D&D is supposed to be a group game.

That said, yesterday I joined a "caged troll" elite group that had 4 people already in it. I got ship buffs, went to the site, and realized that they had decided that they needed to wait for a cleric. I dropped, solo'd, and then laughed when I saw they were back up to 5, but still no cleric/fvs. I dunno... I guess eventually I'll learn not to try pugging lowbie stuff :(

[TitoJ]

On the other side, isn't it fun when you start a group that says "be self sufficient - starting in 3 minutes" and then when in 3 minutes you start without a cleric/fvs and people start freaking out?

"Dude, we can't do SC without a healer, trust me I've done it like 5 times!"

/boot noob complainer(s)
/repost as "in progress" and hop in

Equally annoying...except for by the time my lfm is responded, I'm to the first pillar, and it's annoying to have to pop out and restart the whole instance over a noob.

[Chai]

the classic cry for help - the truly uber deliberately look for wusses to make it more of a challenge.

Yeap, exactly.

Also, the english to english translation of "no noobs, know the quest" is usually "we dont know what the heck we are doing in here so we need someone to drag us through this quest by our earlobes."

[Fomori]

That said, yesterday I joined a "caged troll" elite group that had 4 people already in it. I got ship buffs, went to the site, and realized that they had decided that they needed to wait for a cleric. I dropped, solo'd, and then laughed when I saw they were back up to 5, but still no cleric/fvs. I dunno... I guess eventually I'll learn not to try pugging lowbie stuff :(
I had kind of the same experience on one of my toons. I jumped into the quest and got about 3/4 done when someone said 'Are you in the quest'. I told them 'yes and they should probably jump in soon if they want the completion'. Someone actually then said 'You probably should wait for a cleric, I'm not sure that we can 5 man this.'

[Memnir]

Absolutely has nothing to do with false advertising. And even with that...you're telling, if me your advice is worth 2 cents, that weeds out these people? Apparently then, you've never followed your own advice, or you'd know different...either that or this is just a static response you give, with little to no thought.Sure it does. If you are tired of people not living up to your expectations of the LFM - start your own groups and then you set the parameters. If people don't live up to how you want them to perform, drop them at the end of the quest. It's simple.

It seems to me like you are not so much irritated over false advertising as you are irritated over bad PUGs. And you are right, making your own LFMs wont weed those people out initially - but you have a lot more control over your own groups then you do by joining somebody else's. However, if you really don't like the way other people advertise - then maybe you need to start being the one doing the advertising.

Or, you could continue to armchair-quarterback in other people's groups and feel like they somehow let you down. But, if you joined their group then you surrender a lot of the say on how the group is run.

I never give a response without thought, my friend. And, I have followed my own advice on this matter often. I think you just don't get what I'm saying, but that's not my problem. :)

[Pallol_One-Eye]

[QUOTE=EustaceTrevelyan;3376921 A team-killing f-tard is a team-killing f-tard, no matter how long they've played.[/QUOTE]

Any chance of you approving the use of this "most excellent" statement for my sig?

fwiw +1 to you for this, made my morning it did. :D

[TitoJ]

Sure it does. If you are tired of people not living up to your expectations of the LFM - start your own groups and then you set the parameters. If people don't live up to how you want them to perform, drop them at the end of the quest. It's simple.

It seems to me like you are not so much irritated over false advertising as you are irritated over bad PUGs. And you are right, making your own LFMs wont weed those people out initially - but you have a lot more control over your own groups then you do by joining somebody else's. However, if you really don't like the way other people advertise - then maybe you need to start being the one doing the advertising.

Or, you could continue to armchair-quarterback in other people's groups and feel like they somehow let you down. But, if you joined their group then you surrender a lot of the say on how the group is run.

I never give a response without thought, my friend. And, I have followed my own advice on this matter often. I think you just don't get what I'm saying, but that's not my problem. :)

You're not putting the correct thought in for the OP. Your trouble is you're assuming I was saying the pugs were bad...they weren't. The only problem was the false advertising. Which has nothing to do with what you do in your own lfm. So for your first post you put no thought in...your second post you put too much thought in. Try again, and meet yourself in the middle lol.

[Memnir]

I was right - you have absolutely no idea what I'm saying. :) Well, I was right about more then that - but again, you fail to understand. Keep being the armchair quarterback. Not my problem, and won't further waste my time.

Enjoy the game.

[rest]

You know its true that, especially with dungeon scaling, you are stupid to party with others for those lowbie quests...and yet... I can't get away from feeling like we SHOULD party because D&D is supposed to be a group game.

That said, yesterday I joined a "caged troll" elite group that had 4 people already in it. I got ship buffs, went to the site, and realized that they had decided that they needed to wait for a cleric. I dropped, solo'd, and then laughed when I saw they were back up to 5, but still no cleric/fvs. I dunno... I guess eventually I'll learn not to try pugging lowbie stuff :(

Generally I run with a friends or guildmates who are in level range. It's nice to run with people you know and people who can handle their stuff. If no one is on or in the level range, I solo. It's just not worth the headaches these days. This mabar dragon event thing was the only thing I've pugged in months.

[TitoJ]

I was right - you have absolutely no idea what I'm saying. :) Well, I was right about more then that - but again, you fail to understand. Keep being the armchair quarterback. Not my problem, and won't further waste my time.

Enjoy the game.

You seem to percieve being wishy washy and making people not understand your garble as a good thing...lol.

[Chai]

Sure it does. If you are tired of people not living up to your expectations of the LFM - start your own groups and then you set the parameters. If people don't live up to how you want them to perform, drop them at the end of the quest. It's simple.

It seems to me like you are not so much irritated over false advertising as you are irritated over bad PUGs. And you are right, making your own LFMs wont weed those people out initially - but you have a lot more control over your own groups then you do by joining somebody else's. However, if you really don't like the way other people advertise - then maybe you need to start being the one doing the advertising.

Or, you could continue to armchair-quarterback in other people's groups and feel like they somehow let you down. But, if you joined their group then you surrender a lot of the say on how the group is run.

I never give a response without thought, my friend. And, I have followed my own advice on this matter often. I think you just don't get what I'm saying, but that's not my problem. :)

Yeap its that easy.

This can be summed up with: Selective grouping FTW.

If you dont like how others run their groups, you have to lead by example, and not lead from the sideline by joining up to to a PUG, and then trying to enforce your expectations on someone elses group, when its much easier and more efficient to enforce them in your own group.

If I want to set the expectation, I am the one with the LFM, the star, etc.. It seriously is that simple.

[EustaceTrevelyan]

Any chance of you approving the use of this "most excellent" statement for my sig?

fwiw +1 to you for this, made my morning it did. :D

Lol, of course, I'd be honored:)

[FluffyCalico]

It was a gamble, I know. I hoping the Stone of Change could make some "tasty beer oil" for me.

I have bacon beer...its kinda oily.