Mabar Raid Successes?

[Jharkin]

I'm curious what percentage of the raids were completed in a given bracket. Tier 9-14 on Khyber was abysmal the four times I tried it. There seemed to be only one 9-14 bracket instance and two of the four times it threw player warnings that there were under 16 people. Not one game went longer than 2 minutes and organization was virtually impossible as people wouldn't even give head counts in their room. We had one room we though was empty, only to find out that there were 9 people in it before we moved additional coverage to it. I'm convinced the 9-14 bracket is actually an age bracket and by some diabolical twist of fate I got stuck in it.

How did your bracket do? Should I even bother trying on 9-14 once this goes live?

[Cauthey]

Zamaar was in the 1-8 on Khyber twice (between 9PM and 12PM). Two dragons, two successes. I happened to be in Chamber A both times.

A guildie was in the 9-14 on Khyber twice (between 9PM and 12PM). Two dragons...first fail, second success. Guildie was in Chamber B both times.

[Fomori]

1 for 3 in 15-19 range.

The successful one had actual communication and people calling out the dragon location. The first one was almost no communication and the second was lack on knowing now many people were in a location.

[Cauthey]

1 for 3 in 15-19 range.

The successful one had actual communication and people calling out the dragon location. The first one was almost no communication and the second was lack on knowing now many people were in a location.

Hmm. How does teleport work? Can you set active teleport points based on where you're at? I wonder if a Sorc/Wiz could set teleport points in each of the four corners of the summoning chamber to provide roaming support when the dragon shows up.

[Angelus_dead]

How did your bracket do? Should I even bother trying on 9-14 once this goes live?
This bears out my prediction from playing it on Lammania that the level 20 Spectral Dragon runs will be the successful ones.

You see, level 20 characters will tend to have relatively better gear on them and better players behind them. The lower brackets will be dominated by newer players who don't understand the game as much, and who haven't had much chance to obtain good items. Sure, on ordinary day-to-day a good percentage of mid-level characters will be 34 point TRs with excellent gear, but when a special occasion like this comes around they'll switch over to level 20s.

The characters left behind at midlevel will be the weaker ones.

PS. I only ran it in 20 bracket, and the only time there was any risk of failure was major server breakdowns. But I heard several instances of the 16-19 bracket failing, sometimes due to low headcount.

[Stark_Raving]

I was in 3 dragon raids on Khyber in the 9-14 bracket last night and went 2 for 3 (win-loss-win). Communication wasn't always great, but I came in as part of a party and was able to have them move around to fill holes where they were discovered. We were in chamber B all 3 fights.

[SneakThief]

Khyber ... Group: 15-19? 2 for 2. I basically piked the whole first run trying to figure out what was going on. Very little comm, but it did end well. 2nd run we formed a party for the room I ended up in and had a designated person to send chat messages. I don't know about the other rooms, but ours went very smooth.

[FlyingTurtle]

Level 1-8 instance on Cannith, 3 for 3 wins. Near-perfect communication every time. Most people were calling out the counts, and if one room wasn't responding, one of the active callers would assume it was empty, move there and take over the count.

[sugrcain]

On Khyber the 15-19 instances all succeeded, I believe 4 times. Was 50% on the L20 instance, once with dragon becoming unresponsive and once with crushing lag (which was spectacle to behold).

[s1pinup]

Got the opportunity to run it 4 times in the lvl 20 bracket. Out of 4 runs we had 3 successes. Only fail that occurred was due to one rooms altar breaking I think on account of lag.

[thewalex]

This bears out my prediction from playing it on Lammania that the level 20 Spectral Dragon runs will be the successful ones.

You see, level 20 characters will tend to have relatively better gear on them and better players behind them. The lower brackets will be dominated by newer players who don't understand the game as much, and who haven't had much chance to obtain good items. Sure, on ordinary day-to-day a good percentage of mid-level characters will be 34 point TRs with excellent gear, but when a special occasion like this comes around they'll switch over to level 20s.

The characters left behind at midlevel will be the weaker ones.

PS. I only ran it in 20 bracket, and the only time there was any risk of failure was major server breakdowns. But I heard several instances of the 16-19 bracket failing, sometimes due to low headcount.

My lvl 20 cleric on Orien got in 4 dragon fights last night. The first we were all kicked, and I don't recall seeing a fail message. The second was so laggy that I couldn't move and just took damage until we failed. The third, an altar was destroyed, and finally on the fourth, we succeeded. I was under the impression that while 20s had better gear and needed less attention/healing. They were still just as bad at communicating/organizing and didn't understand the fight mechanics (keep the lights on in the current dragon chamber) or the optimum placement of people in each room and the hallways.

[Jharkin]

This bears out my prediction from playing it on Lammania that the level 20 Spectral Dragon runs will be the successful ones.


This is what I was thinking as well, although with a stronger emphasis on skill and organization as I was able to solo at a lever with a non-twink 10th lvl clonk fairly easily. It seems as though from the thread 9-14 is succeeding, so maybe Khyber just had a bad run of luck. It is a little disheartening to hear of all the successes when you go 0 for 4.

[Mikula]

Cannith 9-14 missed first run, second went amazingly well, great communication. Arrived late to 3rd, lots of first timers. Had 5 people at one switch and 2 people one altar so not the best set up. We lasted a while before fail though.

[Drakos]

I was in three runs and all three were successes.

[Kilnedric]

Ghallanda - Level 15 - 19: 1 / 3 for the second half Monday night.

I was personally clueless the first time and I'm sure I didnt help matters.

Some important lessons I learned that made the third one a success:

1. Use General Chat to communicate. (Drop your existing group if they're not in your instance, or turn down volume so cross-chat doesnt get confusing.)
2. Spread out group. Altars must be defended. If there's more than 4 people in one room, it's probably too many.
3. In my one success, we had people at some of the levers too, which say they make the dragon vulverable. (I'm actually not sure if this is required, or if it just makes it faster. Anyone know?)

[Missing_Minds]

PS. I only ran it in 20 bracket, and the only time there was any risk of failure was major server breakdowns. But I heard several instances of the 16-19 bracket failing, sometimes due to low headcount.

Low headcount is why the runs on Thelanis failed. They didn't have full groups. The 20s, were 3 wins, 1 loss. But the 20s did have full groups. My opinion... while your reason deff has logic behind it, it is going to be hard to say as the lower levels are better equipped now than "back in my day".

[DrunkenBuddha]

This bears out my prediction from playing it on Lammania that the level 20 Spectral Dragon runs will be the successful ones.

You see, level 20 characters will tend to have relatively better gear on them and better players behind them. The lower brackets will be dominated by newer players who don't understand the game as much, and who haven't had much chance to obtain good items. Sure, on ordinary day-to-day a good percentage of mid-level characters will be 34 point TRs with excellent gear, but when a special occasion like this comes around they'll switch over to level 20s.

The characters left behind at midlevel will be the weaker ones.

PS. I only ran it in 20 bracket, and the only time there was any risk of failure was major server breakdowns. But I heard several instances of the 16-19 bracket failing, sometimes due to low headcount.

just had it bug on argo, all level 20s. appropriate levers pulled when applicable, dragon at 35% and *freeze*. No damage no movement. Gargoyles continue to randomly appear, but otherwise nothing. Seems like everyone bug reported or sent in a ticket. No response. Failed. Everyone lost keys except those that recalled early.

Not sure why this has not been fixed. Very bad lag - perhaps this contributed? But we waited the whole 10 minutes hopin in vain to damage it, but no mas. Not sure what the issue is but this failing more often than not. Seems like an interesting idea, but implementation seems to be lacking.

[Rinnaldo]

One 9-14 that succeeded, one 3-8 that failed HARD, and another 9-14 that failed, uh, gently.

First one had really good communication and organization; whereas the low level one had almost no communication and failed in 2 minutes. For the third, I think there were fewer people. Now that I think of it, I don't know if it failed, because I died. There weren't enough melee fighters in our room - where the dragon was for a looooong time.

[wez]

3 runs 3 wins level 20 thelanis eaven with one run being really laggy

[Irinis]

If you go in with a raid group and have your group cover the levers, with at least one person from your raid in each chamber to report how many non-grouped people are there, you can cover the communication needs and make it much more likely to succeed.