unsolicited teleport at raid end rolling for loot?

[blametroi]

So we finish a Reaver's Fate and the boots drop and they go up for a roll. Right after I say I'm going to roll on them two different casters try to teleport me out of the dungeon. I read my screen dialogs and didn't accept the teleports, but this was beyond rude.

This has happened to me twice now, and I'm going to start adding the casters who do it to my "do not run with" list.

Is this endemic, or have I just been unlucky?

Is it something that should be reported to turbine?

[Fomori]

When you cast greater teleport it casts in on EVERYONE in a circle around them. Its usually quicker to tport to Gianthold that way then to finish out and run to Cyondia (spelled wrong). Since everyone gathers around the chests, and some non casters do like the teleport method as well, most will just toss it there. They know those that dont want it can dismiss it.

If you blacklist someone for casting what is usually considered a quick trip to Gianthold than you have the issues.

[Nevthial]

Sometimes it's habit, and sometimes it's griefing. You'd have to decide for yourself which it is.

[systemstate]

This is a pretty common practice, and I do the same with my arcane as well. You're going to be blacklisting people who are trying to be nice and save you a few seconds of recall time- not somehow con you into not rolling for loot.

[rimble]

When you cast greater teleport it casts in on EVERYONE in a circle around them. Its usually quicker to tport to Gianthold that way then to finish out and run to Cyondia (spelled wrong). Since everyone gathers around the chests, and some non casters do like the teleport method as well, most will just toss it there. They know those that dont want it can dismiss it.

Agreed. I'm pretty sure the Wizards were just leaving, and using Greater Teleport so other people could leave easily as well if they wanted.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Sometimes it's habit, and sometimes it's griefing. You'd have to decide for yourself which it is.

Yes that.

If they teleport you to the Titan's Raid area, then they are griefing you. If it's to the Gianthold area, then I think they're helping those who want to leave. Just be careful of what you click and you'll be fine.

[Chette]

Don't want the GT, don't take the GT, but I doubt that wizard wants to wait around for 2 minutes while people squabble over an item they have no interest in. You are seriously overreacting to somebody who was trying to do something nice for the party by casting a GT before they left.

[Phidius]

So we finish a Reaver's Fate and the boots drop and they go up for a roll. Right after I say I'm going to roll on them two different casters try to teleport me out of the dungeon. I read my screen dialogs and didn't accept the teleports, but this was beyond rude.

This has happened to me twice now, and I'm going to start adding the casters who do it to my "do not run with" list.

Is this endemic, or have I just been unlucky?

Is it something that should be reported to turbine?

I'd think it's just luck, but it may have something to do with the groups you join. If the party needs 1+ healer, a tank, and 2-3 arcanes, you may have just joined a "Know your role, class deteremines need for loot" group.

I joined one of these on an at level run on my battle sorc yesterday, and as we were running up to the chests the party leader said something like "Don't loot all on the warded chests, some people might want to roll. Need before greed".

I was so hoping the boots would drop for me - alas, no.

[voodoogroves]

Yeah, just click "no".

On things like that where you can't tell, I tend to go with assuming non-malicious intent.

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

[mephistos2]

If they cast teleport while players are still rolling and binding, then it's possibly griefing - note that bind window and port accept windows look almost identical. In most cases I would just call it inconsiderate.

What is most definitely griefing is casting ddoor on or near chest. This is inexcusible and deserves a response.

[kinar]

Because of the fact that someone cannot loot while a GT confirmation dialog is open, GT on a chest should ALWAYS be considered griefing unless the caster has first verified that EVERYONE is done looting.

It takes 2 seconds to step away from the chest before casting GT (for those of you who say he was just wanting to tele instead of recall/walk).
It takes 5 seconds for the caster to say "I'm gonna GT, anyone who wants a ride step over here" (for those saying he was just trying to be nice).

[petegunn]

Casting the spells GT or Dimension door on or in close proximity to a chest, where there is a chance of someone inadvertently clicking on the box, is considered selfish and rude. Common sense would be to move well away, then tell the party GT on my location in 5 seconds or words to that effect.

Just because the caster doesn't need anything from the chest and the fast way out is to d door or GT, doesn't mean others loitering by the chest, have finished negotiating and are ready to leave.

Casters have some consideration and think before you act.

[KillEveryone]

Casting the spells GT or Dimension door on or in close proximity to a chest, where there is a chance of someone inadvertently clicking on the box, is considered selfish and rude. Common sense would be to move well away, then tell the party GT on my location in 5 seconds or words to that effect.

Just because the caster doesn't need anything from the chest and the fast way out is to d door or GT, doesn't mean others loitering by the chest, have finished negotiating and are ready to leave.

Casters have some consideration and think before you act.

I am being considerate.

I'm offering a quick trip to the quest giver.

If you don't want to take the GT, don't take it.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I'm confused, after the Reaver Raids (well or any quest really) isn't the correct GT destination The Twilight Forge?

[voodoogroves]

Because of the fact that someone cannot loot while a GT confirmation dialog is open, GT on a chest should ALWAYS be considered griefing unless the caster has first verified that EVERYONE is done looting.

It takes 2 seconds to step away from the chest before casting GT (for those of you who say he was just wanting to tele instead of recall/walk).
It takes 5 seconds for the caster to say "I'm gonna GT, anyone who wants a ride step over here" (for those saying he was just trying to be nice).

Griefing = intentional


I just assume the caster isn't thinking.

[smatt]

Don't want the GT, don't take the GT, but I doubt that wizard wants to wait around for 2 minutes while people squabble over an item they have no interest in. You are seriously overreacting to somebody who was trying to do something nice for the party by casting a GT before they left.


No it's just rude..... I've seen it a rather few times that a caster has cast a GT around a raid chest and someone has accidently clicked the accept instead of the chest.

It's simple take a few steps away and cast it...... Oh but wait that would mean you would have to wait a few seconds and actually put some effort into taking a few steps while respecting other players and not taking the chance that an accident might happen.. Nevermind, I'd hate to put all the rude thoughtless jerks in this game out...

[Elsbet]

I wouldn't assume it is intentionally griefing, although it is exceptionally annoying. Depending on your monitor size/shape, the GT window pops up over the loot window. Twice I've been clicking on loot at the moment the GT window popped up and it cost me my loot. One time it was the Levik's Bracers for my ranger.

It isn't that hard to take 10 steps away from the chest and say, "GT on me." Casters issue "summons" for haste all the time. People who want it come running. Same thing happens with GT.

[Thriand]

it happens, people are seriously over reacting here. The caster most likely had no malicious intentions, its pretty standard to throw greater teleports for convenience, and they probably saw a group of people gathered around and didn't even think twice. If you click accept by mistake then chalk it up to an accident, things happen don't assume the caster it out to get you.

I personally have seen casters doing this all the time on my server, personally I don't mind and I've never seen anyone get screwed because of it. If it means so much to you then say something, don't assume that the caster is trying to be rude, some might even think its the accepted practice.

[UnderwearModel]

You can't loot, you have to dismiss. If you click at the EXACT moment the screen appears you WILL be TPd out. This has happened to me on my cleric.

recalling out is not that much of a time waste.

I don't mind it being cast anymore. I usually wait until the end to avoid clicking at the wrong time.

[smatt]

it happens, people are seriously over reacting here. The caster most likely had no malicious intentions, its pretty standard to throw greater teleports for convenience, and they probably saw a group of people gathered around and didn't even think twice. If you click accept by mistake then chalk it up to an accident, things happen don't assume the caster it out to get you.

I personally have seen casters doing this all the time on my server, personally I don't mind and I've never seen anyone get screwed because of it. If it means so much to you then say something, don't assume that the caster is trying to be rude, some might even think its the accepted practice.


You're right to some extent.......It's typically not malicious..... But I have seen it screw people on many occasions. It's usually a newer caster that does it by accident, whereas people who've been playing for years SHOULD know better. Personally, I'm perceptive enough to select a chest in most cases. But to me it's rude for an experianced caster to do such things... They should know better... In fact just last week a DD cast by accident on the alter in part of the Shroud sent someone out.. And they stepped out of the quest before it could be brought up that there was a fix for that problem in the Shroud. Same kind of idea though... The person clicked on the altar right as the DD was appearing...

But that's just me.... I likely have far more respect for other people than some do. Which seems to be in short supply in our society today.... :rolleyes:

[Matuse]

I have no idea what the problem is with just recalling out of all of the raids...except maybe Titan, cause that's a nuisance to get back to civilization from with a recall.

All the ddoors and teleports are just extraneous nonsense.

[Ciaran]

Eh, it's a tricky situation. As many have stated already, sometimes it's just a new caster/player who doesn't know any better or somebody who did it out of habit. Other times it’s intentional and people do it just to grief.

I think in general it’s poor form to do it without announcing it. It would seem to me to be a courtesy to announce over voice or type in “Hey, I’m casting Greater Teleport for any who want a quick trip back to Gianthold”, just to avoid any accidents and hard feelings. Even better is to do it away from the chests, though I understand the convenience of casting it there where people are already gathered as opposed to attempting to herd them around you.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Because of the fact that someone cannot loot while a GT confirmation dialog is open, GT on a chest should ALWAYS be considered griefing unless the caster has first verified that EVERYONE is done looting.

It takes 2 seconds to step away from the chest before casting GT (for those of you who say he was just wanting to tele instead of recall/walk).
It takes 5 seconds for the caster to say "I'm gonna GT, anyone who wants a ride step over here" (for those saying he was just trying to be nice).

And waste 7 seconds? No way.

Btw common practice, just read everything you click.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

If it was to Gianthold it was probably just a stupid accident.
If it was to the Twilight Forge however.....




I was lookin gup some crafting info at the prt 5 Shroud alter....after the quest was done and most people had left.
And I looked back in game to find a DDoor had been cast on the alter.

Since it was recent it meant that the caster was someone stil near me....no other reason but a bad griefing attempt.

Anyway, I am smart enough to not fall for it, but if it were to be cast at just the right time, things could have turned out differently.

[MeToo]

At least with greater teleport, there's a dialog box and an area of effect ring along with the casting animation to give you a hint not to get too click happy.

A quickened dimension door on the chest can go up in a flash. I had this happen in a Reaver's Fate recently. We had already looted so there was no harm. The sorc even apologized right away. I didn't think it was malicious in that case.

After all, http://content.turbine.com/sites/compendium.ddo.com/images/icons/spell/sp_dimensiondoor.png (http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Spell:Dimension_Door) looks too much like http://content.turbine.com/sites/compendium.ddo.com/images/icons/spell/sp_teleport_selector.png (http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Spell:Teleport) in your little hot bars. If anything, teleport's icon has more of a "door" look to it than dimension door's.

From now on, I'll just select the chest with right click or backspace, check my focus orb and only then hit the "use" key. Clicking is too dangerous.

[petegunn]

Would the person who negged me for my post on this thread, care to drop us a wee pm with an explanation for the minus rep?

[dkyle]

Casting GT on someone in the process of looting, especially a Raid chest, is just plain rude. Go stand outside the group if you want to GT yourself, say it's coming if you want to give others a ride. But you never know when that box will pop up right where someone was about to click. I'd rather "force" 1000 people to recall and run the 5 seconds to Cydonie, than risk popping a GT dialog right on top of someone's inventory while they clear space for a pair of Madstones. Never mind that a moment of carelessness with a dialog box shouldn't invalidate someone's entire raid run.

Mistakes happen. Don't be the person that turns a stray click into a rotting piece of raid loot.

[Elsbet]

MeToo: The problem with GT isn't clicking on the chest, it is when the loot window is already up. The GT window pops up on top of the loot window, so if you don't want to loot all and take all those worthless bolts, you can get screwed easily. I fail to see what is so difficult about spending one second to back up out of range of the chest and let people come to you. Casters do it all the time with haste, but it is too hard for GT?

[HeavenlyCloud]

MeToo: The problem with GT isn't clicking on the chest, it is when the loot window is already up. The GT window pops up on top of the loot window, so if you don't want to loot all and take all those worthless bolts, you can get screwed easily. I fail to see what is so difficult about spending one second to back up out of range of the chest and let people come to you. Casters do it all the time with haste, but it is too hard for GT?

Haste is a most GT is optional.

[Gambill]

I personally hate it when someone casts a GT on a group at the chests rolling on loot. I have seen way too many people accidently hit accept and miss out on their loot....including me. I can understand someone trying to be nice, but I always just type, "GT on me" or something like that. Saving a couple seconds of time isn't worth the chance of messing up someone who has spent hours and hours looking for a specific raid item.

[blametroi]

To the person who said I'm a ****** ... apply your favorite insult to yourself.

Repeatedly.

With malice.

To everyone else ...

I'm relatively new to raiding and protocol and trying to do the right thing and understand what the right things are. Assumption leads to misunderstanding, hence the question.

From the responses it seems as if there are strong different opinions here. I appreciate all the feedback. I'm going to regard the GT as rude and thoughtless but probably not drop the caster on my do not run list unless I find other problems.

I'll try to ask the caster what's up and see what they say.

Been at this a year and still learning, and not ashamed to admit that I'm still learning.

Thanks to the serious responders and the discussion that ensued. I learned a lot.

[MateCarefor]

Um...Oops on my part.

My Arcane tends to throw GT at the end of things as a convenient conveyance out of a Raid for whomever wishes to take it.
Or so I thought till I read this post - I honestly had not considered it to be griefing.
I usually pop a DDoor on my bard to leave via the entrance as well; just an odd habit, I reckin.

Unnecessarily-Defensive-Explanation:
I have given up rolling on others' loot in non-guild raids, so once I get my items, I leave.
If there was something in my loot I need to put up for a roll, I am stuck there for a bit, but otherwise (for me) most raids are my single loot chance, and 1 more notch till a 20 turn in.
So I grab and go; I actually had not considered that folks at raid level did not know how to opt out of GT. :(

Someone tossing a DDoor onto a chest? Yeah, that is griefing.
(Or casting it on 'Arry or a boss in the middle of a melee, etc - griefola.)

I'd had folks ask for it in the past, so got in the habit of tossing one out.

To the OP and some of the others in here:
If it was me that popped the GT, apologies!

[blametroi]

Um...Oops on my part.

My Arcane tends to throw GT at the end of things as a convenient conveyance out of a Raid for whomever wishes to take it.
Or so I thought till I read this post - I honestly had not considered it to be griefing.
I usually pop a DDoor on my bard to leave via the entrance as well; just an odd habit, I reckin.

Unnecessarily-Defensive-Explanation:
I have given up rolling on others' loot in non-guild raids, so once I get my items, I leave.
If there was something in my loot I need to put up for a roll, I am stuck there for a bit, but otherwise (for me) most raids are my single loot chance, and 1 more notch till a 20 turn in.
So I grab and go; I actually had not considered that folks at raid level did not know how to opt out of GT. :(

Someone tossing a DDoor onto a chest? Yeah, that is griefing.
(Or casting it on 'Arry or a boss in the middle of a melee, etc - griefola.)

I'd had folks ask for it in the past, so got in the habit of tossing one out.

To the OP and some of the others in here:
If it was me that popped the GT, apologies!

As the OP, my point was confusion and it seems that I'm not the only one confused. I've never minded recalling so I always find the DD thrown by my guildies when we run to get out a bit silly, but I realize now it may not be for everyone.

I do my best to watch dialogs and so I didn't get bounced out, but since madstones were up I was suspicious. It may be unwarranted. I appreciate the discussion and thanks for the more detailed explanation from the POV of a caster. I haven't really played casters enough to think about all the helpful things they can do.

[smatt]

To the person who said I'm a ****** ... apply your favorite insult to yourself.

Repeatedly.

With malice.

To everyone else ...

I'm relatively new to raiding and protocol and trying to do the right thing and understand what the right things are. Assumption leads to misunderstanding, hence the question.

From the responses it seems as if there are strong different opinions here. I appreciate all the feedback. I'm going to regard the GT as rude and thoughtless but probably not drop the caster on my do not run list unless I find other problems.

I'll try to ask the caster what's up and see what they say.

Been at this a year and still learning, and not ashamed to admit that I'm still learning.

Thanks to the serious responders and the discussion that ensued. I learned a lot.

Yes, and see that's what I meant.. I can understand newer players not considiring what COULD happen if they cast a GT around a raid chest. I was msotly talking about experienced players who do it knowingly and are just too lazy or inconsiderate to take a few steps away.

[Teharahma]

So we finish a Reaver's Fate and the boots drop and they go up for a roll. Right after I say I'm going to roll on them two different casters try to teleport me out of the dungeon. I read my screen dialogs and didn't accept the teleports, but this was beyond rude.

This has happened to me twice now, and I'm going to start adding the casters who do it to my "do not run with" list.

Is this endemic, or have I just been unlucky?

Is it something that should be reported to turbine?

L O L
Paranoid much ?