Bard Song of Capering = Way OP

[h4x0r1f1c]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

[toughguyjoe]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

*points*

*laughs*

[breadstick]

It would be hilarious to see bards at the top of the PvP table...Kudos turbine.

[Phidius]

just get rid of PvP

Signed

[SaisMatters]

Agreed, get rid of PvP.

[Chubsta]

2 threads started by you in the recent post list and both are about nerfing something...

[h4x0r1f1c]

2 different thoughts. I wanted 2 different responses.

If I put them in the same thread and someone bashed one idea then the other idea might get ignored.

[rjedi]

2 different thoughts. I wanted 2 different responses.

If I put them in the same thread and someone bashed one idea then the other idea might get ignored.

but face it... they will both be bashed

[Zilta]

lmao

[h4x0r1f1c]

Oh it's also instant. No whipping out the o'le banjo and running around like with Fascinate.

You can't even Magic Missile their Mantle of the Worldshaper in time you're already dancing.

[toughguyjoe]

Oh it's also instant. No whipping out the o'le banjo and running around like with Fascinate.

You can't even Magic Missile their Mantle of the Worldshaper in time you're already dancing.

*continues laughing*

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

Darn it, I just gave you the benefit of the doubt in the other thread for asking for advice without asking for a nerf. I thought maybe you had learned how to play nice with others, guess not.

The song appears to be well balanced for PvE, end of story.


Oh it's also instant. No whipping out the o'le banjo and running around like with Fascinate.

You can't even Magic Missile their Mantle of the Worldshaper in time you're already dancing.

Facinate was also instant. Not everyone knows this, but they only have to be in range for the instant the song hits the trigger point. Good bards start singing before they are in range so they hit range as the song triggers.

[Aashrym]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

It's not a hint. It's a PvE game and that ability is working as intended.

I'm curious if the bard killed you before it broke tho. It's a high DC but does have a periodic break check.

[Robi3.0]

2 threads started by you in the recent post list and both are about nerfing something...

All his threads are about nerfing something.

[h4x0r1f1c]

It's not a hint. It's a PvE game and that ability is working as intended.

I'm curious if the bard killed you before it broke tho. It's a high DC but does have a periodic break check.

No it didn't kill me because it was a friend but while I was dancing the Undead Warforged from the other thread did.

[rjedi]

All his threads are about nerfing something.

thats not true... that or making sorcerer more powerful

[HeavenlyCloud]

Oh it's also instant. No whipping out the o'le banjo and running around like with Fascinate.

You can't even Magic Missile their Mantle of the Worldshaper in time you're already dancing.

Get a Will Save.

[Poe76]

Not the Undead War4orgeD FTW! LOL

[Robi3.0]

No it didn't kill me because it was a friend but while I was dancing the Undead Warforged from the other thread did.

MawahahahahHAHAHAhahahahAHHhahahhahHAHHHHHAHAHAHAH

[Goldeneye]

Ha Ha Ha

[voodoogroves]

So, honest advice.

I believe that is a charm or compulsion. You should be able to avoid it if that is the case. Some of the Silver Flame / Pro Evil clickies / blessings do that I think. I suspect Pale Masters may also be immune.

[k1ngp1n]

The OP's post makes me want to roll up a bard as fast as possible.

[h4x0r1f1c]

So, honest advice.

I believe that is a charm or compulsion. You should be able to avoid it if that is the case. Some of the Silver Flame / Pro Evil clickies / blessings do that I think. I suspect Pale Masters may also be immune.

My Will save is 33 max buffed. His Perform skill is 70. I can't roll anything to save but a 20 which would make me save.

[voodoogroves]

My Will save is 33 max buffed. His Perform skill is 70. I can't roll anything to save but a 20 which would make me save.

Some Pro Evil items make you IMMUNE to charms and compulsions. That's what I'm suggesting. It's how people avoid dominate, etc. in PVE.

[toughguyjoe]

Some Pro Evil items make you IMMUNE to charms and compulsions. That's what I'm suggesting. It's how people avoid dominate, etc. in PVE.

Most all of those spells only work against EVIL casters, which you won't find in the PvP pit.

[dunklezhan]

OK. Lost my rag now.

Yes mantle doesn't stop it. ITS NOT MAGIC. that's why beholders can't get rid of it with their antimagic glare.

Yes its massively hard to resist - ITS A VIRTUOSO BARD SONG. It's what they do. Its their class feature. Sorcs class feature is phenomenal cosmic power with an ittybitty range of flexibility.

I think - if I was being charitable - I might suggest that the periodic save freqency was reduced for PvP, as with some other effect durations. But not the saving throws, or anything else about it. Its supposed to be powerful. Because if they're using song of capering, they're a virtuoso. So the chances are their actual damage output is not going to be on a par with yours. even remotely. Even with manyshot if they happen to be a ranger/bard or an elf bard. or an elf ranger/bard.

And I'll tell you something else. Virtuoso's get little enough love, from devs or from players. So if it turns out they're great for PvP, that at least is something. You've got a WF sorceror. You're a self healing glass cannon. A glass cannon. You put out massive damage, in return for you that you aren't supposed to be particularly resilient. Someone stops you putting out your damage, you're useless. that's how it is. Its called tactics. That's what PvP is supposed to be about - outwitting your human opponent. So outwit them. You have CC spells available to you - you just have to spec for it. Bards don't have a massively high will save. Get them before they get you.

Or here's a thought: go play a pvp game. This isn't that game!

Honestly, I don't want to stop you PvPing if that's your thing. But there's SO many better things for the devs to be spending their time on which improves the real focus of the game - pve - that anything they do to PvP that isn't snap-your-fingers-quick simply isn't worth it to most people around here. I'm sorry, but its true. You really do need to learn to deal with it. You're the only person making any kind of regular threads in the PvP forum - what does that tell you?

[h4x0r1f1c]

Some Pro Evil items make you IMMUNE to charms and compulsions. That's what I'm suggesting. It's how people avoid dominate, etc. in PVE.

I have Protection from Evil and a Fragment of the Silver Flame but it only protects you from stuff like Greater Command but not Otto's Irresistible Dance or even the Bard's Song of Capering.

[r3dl4nce]

just get rid of PvPThe only useful words in all your post!

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP

/signed

[Diib]

Pvp should be removed from this game until people stop making nerf threads regarding pvp. It is there for dull entertainment between quests, not as a fully balanced and functional play mode.

The day DDO balance starts to take into account pvp is the day the game loses a lot of its players.

[voodoogroves]

I have no interest in PVP, thus will not test this even though I amusingly find myself with both a capped bard and a Pale Master warforged.

http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Wizards_Handbook:Defense_Against_The_Dark_Arts

- indicates it should protect against not-just-evil casters. Note that ITEMS DO NOT DO THIS, only the active spell.

It may not work against a song, but it it something you can try. If you care to do so, that is. If you don't, no worries - was actually and honestly trying to offer you a potential solution to your problem.

[Bwahahaha]

Lol, this thread cracks me up...:)

There aren't bad classes, or good ones either...

Just the players...

Good or bad...;)

[FlyingTurtle]

They need to make a new quest, with a map like the wayward lobster, where the objective is to kill "Dispel, the PvP expert" in as many humiliating and degrading ways as possible.

[Sirea]

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

Your best suggestion to date. I'd +1 you, but then I'd have to...punish myself :eek:

[Cernunan]

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

GREAT IDEA!!!!!
/signed!!

oh and LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thoom]

[Pedestrian] Everytime I step out into traffic, I get hit by a car.

[Cop] Dont step out into traffic...

[Pedestrian] I see other people walking across the road! I want to walk across the road too!!!!1111!!1

[Cop] They are using the crosswalk... WAI

[amnota]

LOL...at that point I would have pulled out the Enervation scrolls and used them until you begged me to stop....I have tears in my eyes from laughing.

[Creeper]

The OP's post makes me want to roll up a bard as fast as possible.

I am gonna make a bard AA with manyshot slayer arrows and a wounding bow of greater construct bane.

[asphodeli]

I have Protection from Evil and a Fragment of the Silver Flame but it only protects you from stuff like Greater Command but not Otto's Irresistible Dance or even the Bard's Song of Capering.

Both of them do nothing if the caster casting Greater Command is GOOD or NEUTRAL.

[krud]

HA :D Ha hA :) Ha ha :D roflmao HA :D Ha hA :) Ha ha :D lmao HA :D Ha hA :) Ha ha :D roflmao HA :D Ha hA :) Ha ha :D lmao...

now that's funny. I woulda liked to have seen that.

hmm... now what should I roll first on sarlona? A bard or an AA?


edit: Creeper = brilliant! a bard - AA.

[h4x0r1f1c]

Both of them do nothing if the caster casting Greater Command is GOOD or NEUTRAL.

Tell that to Turbine because Protection from Evil always protects from Greater Command in PvP.

[voodoogroves]

Think link I posted explains that alignment difference had you bothered to read it.

So I try really hard to be serious and courteous, but I'm not sure you really want honest advice. I try hard not to jump on the nahbandwagon, but there may be no point. Good luck.

[h4x0r1f1c]

What gets me is:

It's instant.

It's ranged.

It's unsavable. (basically)

These do nothing:
Mantle of the Worldshaper
Pale Lavender Ioun Stone

[Trillea]

What gets me is:

It owns me and is therefore horrible. So it's time for a new thread on the forums.

Fixed to show what you really mean.

[RangerMaya]

Because it was so well said, I'll quote it again in case you didn't read it the first time:


OK. Lost my rag now.

Yes mantle doesn't stop it. ITS NOT MAGIC. that's why beholders can't get rid of it with their antimagic glare.

Yes its massively hard to resist - ITS A VIRTUOSO BARD SONG. It's what they do. Its their class feature. Sorcs class feature is phenomenal cosmic power with an ittybitty range of flexibility.

I think - if I was being charitable - I might suggest that the periodic save freqency was reduced for PvP, as with some other effect durations. But not the saving throws, or anything else about it. Its supposed to be powerful. Because if they're using song of capering, they're a virtuoso. So the chances are their actual damage output is not going to be on a par with yours. even remotely. Even with manyshot if they happen to be a ranger/bard or an elf bard. or an elf ranger/bard.

And I'll tell you something else. Virtuoso's get little enough love, from devs or from players. So if it turns out they're great for PvP, that at least is something. You've got a WF sorceror. You're a self healing glass cannon. A glass cannon. You put out massive damage, in return for you that you aren't supposed to be particularly resilient. Someone stops you putting out your damage, you're useless. that's how it is. Its called tactics. That's what PvP is supposed to be about - outwitting your human opponent. So outwit them. You have CC spells available to you - you just have to spec for it. Bards don't have a massively high will save. Get them before they get you.

Or here's a thought: go play a pvp game. This isn't that game!

Honestly, I don't want to stop you PvPing if that's your thing. But there's SO many better things for the devs to be spending their time on which improves the real focus of the game - pve - that anything they do to PvP that isn't snap-your-fingers-quick simply isn't worth it to most people around here. I'm sorry, but its true. You really do need to learn to deal with it. You're the only person making any kind of regular threads in the PvP forum - what does that tell you?

:cool:

[Llewndyn]

That when I see one of h4x0rific's posts I eschew all other reading material and drink in the good old fashioned whine? Mmmm this is an excellent vintage, Riverdance yk 978.... nice

[bendover]

For those that do not play on Sarlona and have either made or planning on making an AA on sarlona feel free to send myself or any other member a tell for a guild invite to increase the OP's hated for you as well as some decent boat buffs.

[Llewndyn]

I must now make a bard on sarlona. Welcome me with open arms, my piking career goes servernational. H4x, I shall see you in the pvp pit. And now to the tune of "We can dance if we want to":

You will dance when the bard makes you,
and you're too gimped to make the save,
and the bard will laugh and the pit will laugh
as your hp drains away

You will dance when the bard makes you,
you'll riverdance into the night
then you'll hit the forums for cheese with your whine
because again you lost the fight

You will dance when the bard makes you,
And entertainment you will be,
and your poorly written posts and lame victory boasts
make you the folly of PVP!


- if you have voice I will sing that to you while I dominate you in the pit. PM me with an Xfire name if you like :D

[h4x0r1f1c]

For those that do not play on Sarlona and have either made or planning on making an AA on sarlona feel free to send myself or any other member a tell for a guild invite to increase the OP's hated for you as well as some decent boat buffs.

You would look for an army of Arcane Archers to do your bidding.


and you're too gimped to make the save

Say I had a 50 Will save... (nobody does)

Against a 70 Perform... I would have to roll a 20 to save.

So we're all gimps, according to you. I bet my Will save is higher than your's.

[Llewndyn]

Care to PVP me? I got a bard or a ranger with manyshot, take your pick :D

[bendover]

Dont need too. I kill you just fine myself.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Both of them do nothing if the caster casting Greater Command is GOOD or NEUTRAL.

By the book it is related to the spell, not the caster's alignment. Forcing someone to do something against their will is considered evil in D&D terms

[h4x0r1f1c]

May not need too. Maybe someday I'll kill you just fine myself.

Fixed.

[bendover]

Lol

[heyytoi]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

You get out of pvp and You stop crying about it

[asphodeli]

Tell that to Turbine because Protection from Evil always protects from Greater Command in PvP.

And this concerns Turbine how? Oh wait, its PvP. :rolleyes:


By the book it is related to the spell, not the caster's alignment. Forcing someone to do something against their will is considered evil in D&D terms

Ah, good thinking, I always thought the alignment of spells were always the caster's alignment and not because of the action. However I think this argument is flawed since people will be forced to do things against their will, whether good or bad, e.g. soldiers in an army, a parent disciplining his/her child, etc. I think what matters is what the action ultimately does. For example, if I dance someone because he is about to fall off a cliff, is that a good action, or an evil one?

But back to your idea...this perspective could prove useful in PnP one day... :D

[PopeJual]

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

/signed

[yams]

Oh man, that's priceless. +1. May the PvP arenas fill with singing elven Bard AAs.

[Missing_Minds]

but face it... they will both be bashed

and ignored.

I think someone is needing his chocolate milk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfwOqlnCKQs&feature=related) again.

[cpito]

That when I see one of h4x0rific's posts I eschew all other reading material and drink in the good old fashioned whine? Mmmm this is an excellent vintage, Riverdance yk 978.... nice

it's an addiction! a toast to h4x and this most excellent production!

[JDCrowell]

4 pages of this....

and I'm still laughing....

I just now calmed down enough to wipe the tears from my eyes to write this.

Wooh....ok i'm good now

Look...kid...if you like PvP so much....go play something else. This game isn't balanced for PvP...of course you've been told this thousands of times, you just don't know how to take a hint.

On the flip side...this is moderately entertaining. I can't tell if you are serious or joking half the time.

[hooblaboo]

I Love This Guy! He Makes Me Laugh In Every One Of His Posts!!!

[elujin]

h4x0r1f1c if you get virtuoso of all classes nerfed i am rolling an aa(or anything els you will be crying about at the moment ) and camp out in the pvp pit all day evry day and kill you over and over and over and 1 more time after that :D .
edite (got more :D ): and il make a pvp AA only guild called Die h4x0r1f1c Die! our slaying arrows will block out the sun ! :D

[Rasczak]

lmao

My sneaky bard is victorious...don't worry...I'll only grief those who deserve it. Now who has the shaving cream? I got black markers, dresses and shrek ears

[AyumiAmakusa]

h4x0r1f1c if you get virtuoso of all classes nerfed i am rolling an aa(or anything els you will be crying about at the moment ) and camp out in the pvp pit all day evry day and kill you over and over and over and 1 more time after that :D .
edite (got more :D ): and il make a pvp AA only guild called Die h4x0r1f1c Die! our slaying arrows will block out the sun ! :D

Can I join that guild? Get enough members and we'll have 100 camp out at every tavern brawl pit.

[hecate355]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

Then stop sticking your nose into pvp, ddo is not a pvp game, pvp and me get along just fine in ddo, i dont do pvp, pvp doesent do me, simple as that. Turbine doesent have to get rid of anything in your favor, you however have option to avoid things you dont like.

Seriously if its so bad, move to another game or find something you are happy about in ddo.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Ah, good thinking, I always thought the alignment of spells were always the caster's alignment and not because of the action. However I think this argument is flawed since people will be forced to do things against their will, whether good or bad, e.g. soldiers in an army, a parent disciplining his/her child, etc. I think what matters is what the action ultimately does. For example, if I dance someone because he is about to fall off a cliff, is that a good action, or an evil one?

But back to your idea...this perspective could prove useful in PnP one day... :D

It's not my idea, its right out of the 3.x rules. From the SRD: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/protectionFromEvil.htm


Second, the barrier blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature (by a magic jar attack, for example) or to exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment (charm) effects and enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject, such as dominate person). The protection does not prevent such effects from targeting the protected creature, but it suppresses the effect for the duration of the protection from evil effect. If the protection from evil effect ends before the effect granting mental control does, the would-be controller would then be able to mentally command the controlled creature. Likewise, the barrier keeps out a possessing life force but does not expel one if it is in place before the spell is cast. This second effect works regardless of alignment.

Any attempt to charm or mentally control you is blocked by prot from evil. Nice and clear.

[JDCrowell]

I like the new sig line, Lorien :D

[elujin]

Can I join that guild? Get enough members and we'll have 100 camp out at every tavern brawl pit.

if they nerf virt2 all my time and effort wil be put in to accomplishing this :)

[Moltier]

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

Please dont do it! We need these threads for good laughs!
And its soo easy to find these. Just search for pvp h4x and slaying arrows... :cool:

Ok, to be more serius, h4x if this is what you are looking for in this game, at least try to learn and find out new tactics, dont complain. If you dont have any defense, then kill first. Ranged attacks, effects? Use enlarge and shot them down.

First you complained about slayer arrows, now bards... whats next? Gnome druids?
PvP all you want (or come PvE with us) just dont ask for changes.

Have a good day!

[KillEveryone]

Everything that I wanted to say has been mentioned so I'm going to sum up...


I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd8/RaMpBJr/ABC/wambulance.jpg


Oh it's also instant. No whipping out the o'le banjo and running around like with Fascinate.

You can't even Magic Missile their Mantle of the Worldshaper in time you're already dancing.


No it didn't kill me because it was a friend but while I was dancing the Undead Warforged from the other thread did.

This is just priceless. :D So totally priceless. :D


They need to make a new quest, with a map like the wayward lobster, where the objective is to kill "Dispel, the PvP expert" in as many humiliating and degrading ways as possible.

/signed


For those that do not play on Sarlona and have either made or planning on making an AA on sarlona feel free to send myself or any other member a tell for a guild invite to increase the OP's hated for you as well as some decent boat buffs.

I've been thinking about a bard myself. Thought about a warchanter but I may just go virt now. Have other projects right now but I may move this one up to a front burner.


h4x0r1f1c if you get virtuoso of all classes nerfed i am rolling an aa(or anything els you will be crying about at the moment ) and camp out in the pvp pit all day evry day and kill you over and over and over and 1 more time after that :D .
edite (got more :D ): and il make a pvp AA only guild called Die h4x0r1f1c Die! our slaying arrows will block out the sun ! :D

I agree. I'll make a Warchanter and buff you with songs.

[BattleCircle]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

Don't you ever get tired? :rolleyes:

[Spisey]

Woot just in time! :D

[Raveolution]

The phiarlan shield you get as reward once completed the carnival chain quest, has 5 charges. Those charges absorb all enh spells, even bard songs. Go, find one

[Onorus]

The phiarlan shield you get as reward once completed the carnival chain quest, has 5 charges. Those charges absorb all enh spells, even bard songs. Go, find one

That would require him to actually run a quest! All he wants to do is whine here, hoping Turbine gets sick enough of his posts to just give in.

[jcTharin]

just get rid of PvP

this is in my sig now.

[talyor]

What gets me is:

It's instant.

It's ranged.

It's unsavable. (basically)

These do nothing:
Mantle of the Worldshaper
Pale Lavender Ioun Stone

dont you have another post about how overpowered the pale lavander ion stone is for PVP and if you now own one doesnt that make you a hypocrite and if you are willing to make that comprimise why dont you just shelve your sorc and make a bard AA and maybe bendover will let you join his guild. as a matter of fact why dont you dual box ddo and shoot yourself that way you can do 2 post of nerfs and to not nerf .... LOL

[Darkrok]

Wait...you're on Sarlona?!?

Time to redo my enhancements on my Warchanter. :)

[WeaselKing]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

I really don't understand why you continue to play this game when you seem to prefer pvp, this game is not nor will it ever be (I hope) geared towards pvp. There are other games out there that make great strides to keep pvp balanced, perhaps you should give one of those a try, assuming there is not some reason that you are not allowed to participate in those games. On the other hand you could just build an AA virtuoso and pwn everybody in the pit, perhaps that would make you happy.

[Gnome_druid]

First you complained about slayer arrows, now bards... whats next? Gnome druids?

please dont complain about me :(

[Chai]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Repeat after me. Dungeons and Dragons is not a balanced game.

Fact: You gravitated to the most powerful option which can kill 95% of all builds easily. Someone else in the 5% of all builds you have a hard time killing has an equalizer they can use to keep you honest.

This is not any more OP than having an arcane that can heal itself that is immune to alot of things and can stop PVP foes cold or kill them in one shot as fast if not faster than they can stop you cold or kill you in one shot.


Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

This is probably the best suggestion you have ever made regarding PVP.

Ever.

[Dendrix]

I can't roll a 40 to save.


You don't need to roll a 40. You save on a 20, no matter how much better than you the bard is.

[Stormanne]

Hehehehehe, sorry, going to have to come to the lobster with FRAPS running just for this...

and a little inspiration for ya Haxor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHFI5eRO7Rc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKpcrKD_zfo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPc2DTgdRfc

[Healsavant]

The 70 perform was a typo, at the time it was at 72, and I max out at 74, 41 cha till I can get my litany then a nice round 75, anywho I didn't check my roll last night but coulda been a 92, this is an epic grind toon, also AA, it wasn't easy to make it happen but as squishy as bards are I still wanted to do respectable damage and not get my face smashed in by epic mobs, seems he....like my ranger are both pretty viable for giving Dispel a good run. I was wondering how long it would take him to throw this up. Wanna laugh even more.... I told Tyrr****** , the WF he is talking about that was there, I wonder how long before he tries do do a palemaster build, and in less than five minutes I got a tell from him asking if there was any way I knew of, for a sorc to go palemaster.....classic....

[Legohaiden]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

you've got to be kidding me.... this is /sarcasm right?



this isnt a PVP game kiddo... its not balanced for pvp... hence the weird pvp actions.

[MysteryNotes]

This made me lol.

"Omfg he killed me! This is soooo totally unfair i should be able to kill everyone else! Nerf them!"

[-Nismu-]

and if this were pvp game answers here would be something like "QQ L2P" with or without lol .

[h4x0r1f1c]

The phiarlan shield you get as reward once completed the carnival chain quest, has 5 charges. Those charges absorb all enh spells, even bard songs. Go, find one

Interested to see if this works.

I'll get it but I hear the bard song that takes less than a second to sing has a mere 3 second cooldown.

Here's hoping I can get them before they can get me.

[bendover]

Everything that I wanted to say has been mentioned so I'm going to sum up...



http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd8/RaMpBJr/ABC/wambulance.jpg





This is just priceless. :D So totally priceless. :D



/signed



I've been thinking about a bard myself. Thought about a warchanter but I may just go virt now. Have other projects right now but I may move this one up to a front burner.



I agree. I'll make a Warchanter and buff you with songs.

Well just hit me up for a guild invite :).

[Xeraphim]

I lol'd.

Hard.

[jingseng]

wait, so all it takes to be a "PvP expert" is to whine about nerfing anything you can't beat?

Can we get a bard and an arcane archer (or better yet, and I can't believe I'm saying this, a Bardcane Bardcher) dance this guy, and then use slayer arrows on him?

[Kominalito]

nerf pvp. no spells, no attrib bonuses, just everyone armed with wet toilet paper projectiles. but haxorific is allowed to have mace, a tazer, a bowie knife, a handgun, a bear trap, a prox mine, chicken wire, a ... ... ...

[camels]

love how he keeps raising the bar higher for the pro-Trolls........

[adam1oftheround]

I think it is OAI

[hityawithastick]

Why isn't H4x on Khyber already? :D I need a new punching bag.

[Nevid]

At one time, long long ago, before the darkness came, there used to be a certian element of pvp that was kind of fun. WF caster battles with guys jumping all over the place, tossing scorching rays, sleet storming, then reconstructing. Melee builds would actually bang it out without tripping, stunning, etc. Stat damagers and vorpals were generally not used. PWS and dancing was considered "noob-ish" and at times, a player who resorted to those tactics was generally unwelcome. There was, for the most part, a set of unwritten rules most people held to. Basically, at least on Khyber, pvpers usually tested their skills, builds, and gear against similar toons to see how they measured up, at leat to some part. Sure, sometimes there were a few battles that were "anything goes", but most of the time, not really.

Then came THE EXCITING CHANGE and the pits are now full of WF casters with ion stones, who PWS, irresistable dance, then scorching ray their hapless victimes. They then decalre themselves "KING" and state "I am the top PVP'er on this server".

To me, folks that play that way are the same kind of people that cheat at solitaire.

[Legohaiden]

At one time, long long ago, before the darkness came, there used to be a certian element of pvp that was kind of fun. WF caster battles with guys jumping all over the place, tossing scorching rays, sleet storming, then reconstructing. Melee builds would actually bang it out without tripping, stunning, etc. Stat damagers and vorpals were generally not used. PWS and dancing was considered "noob-ish" and at times, a player who resorted to those tactics was generally unwelcome. There was, for the most part, a set of unwritten rules most people held to. Basically, at least on Khyber, pvpers usually tested their skills, builds, and gear against similar toons to see how they measured up, at leat to some part. Sure, sometimes there were a few battles that were "anything goes", but most of the time, not really.

Then came THE EXCITING CHANGE and the pits are now full of WF casters with ion stones, who PWS, irresistable dance, then scorching ray their hapless victimes. They then decalre themselves "KING" and state "I am the top PVP'er on this server".

To me, folks that play that way are the same kind of people that cheat at solitaire.




Pfft but then people would have to rely on pvp skill instead of just pushing a button for 800dmg in an aoe. as if....

[Geonis]

I can't believe I actually agree with something you said..... :eek:


just get rid of PvP

[h4x0r1f1c]

I'm no longer worried about the bard Song of Capering but to anyone else this could prove to be OP.

For their sake I'll still wish this to be nerfed but as for myself I'm set. /thread

[hityawithastick]

I object to your thread closure. :D

[h4x0r1f1c]

This thing isn't even line of sight. My friends tested it.

One was in one corner the other was down low behind a wall in another corner and he got him.

[KillEveryone]

This thing isn't even line of sight. My friends tested it.

One was in one corner the other was down low behind a wall in another corner and he got him.

Here is the thing about music...

You don't have to see the person playing it to be able to hear it.

Look...just quit PvP. It isn't doing you any good. It is an afterthought in the game. It isn't a focus of the game.

Quit trying to ruin the game by asking for things to be nerfed for PvP.

If something gets nerfef for PvP, it will effect the rest of the game. The game isn't about PvP, shouldn't be about PvP, should stay with the PvE focus and all the abilities and spells should stay the way they are because they are PvE balanced.

If you really want to win in PvP, you need to figure out how to compete against other class abilities. If you don't learn how to deal with other classes and their abilities, you are not a very good player and should just not PvP because all those other players are better that you and will pwn you.

The people that you actually pwn are probably not very good players yet but give them time. They will either learn how to deal with your overpowered for PvP build or they are in the same boat at you...not a very good player.

[Kekeon]

Here is the thing about music...

You don't have to see the person playing it to be able to hear it.

Look...just quit PvP. It isn't doing you any good. It is an afterthought in the game. It isn't a focus of the game.

Quit trying to ruin the game by asking for things to be nerfed for PvP.

If something gets nerfef for PvP, it will effect the rest of the game. The game isn't about PvP, shouldn't be about PvP, should stay with the PvE focus and all the abilities and spells should stay the way they are because they are PvE balanced.

If you really want to win in PvP, you need to figure out how to compete against other class abilities. If you don't learn how to deal with other classes and their abilities, you are not a very good player and should just not PvP because all those other players are better that you and will pwn you.

The people that you actually pwn are probably not very good players yet but give them time. They will either learn how to deal with your overpowered for PvP build or they are in the same boat at you...not a very good player.

In a competition, both opponents have different chances (%) to win. For example, a meele combatant can compete against a spellcaster by evading directional spells, having high HP (500+), working on doable saves (saving throws of 35 + d20 against difficulty check of 45), and getting buffs (spell resistance, protection from elements, resist elements, deathward, etc).

However, there is no competition when one oponent has 0% chance to fend for himself (instead depending on a 19/20 chance to fight every 3 seconds)

I don't know why even bother with a saving throw in the description of the Song of Capering. A "95% chance to land the song" suits better if it is gonna be that way.

It is not about to nerf something because of PvP, but to adapt something to Dungeon & Dragons Online. For example, Fly was not implemented, instead we have Leap of Faith and Abundant Step. Therefore, Song of Capering was not well adapted. IMO

I would just remove the 20 sided dice from the Difficulty Check (currently: d20 + 15 gear + 23 levels + 15 ability modifier). A 53 DC is pretty high, above the 40+ DC from spellcasters, but at least there is a chance to save against it, so there is competition.

Anyways, if a change is not coming soon, I gotta request the following feat:

Van Gogh's Ear I Feat: You remove one of your ears by imitating an artist of other realm. Grants a +20 bonus to saves against Will-based song effects.

Van Gogh's Ear II Feat: Immunity to song effects.

[mehlinda]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

DDO was never meant for PvP, should never have had PvP and will be 10,000% better off to be rid of it. Nothing in the game should be changed or altered as a result of what happens there. If you love PvP there are plenty of games that specialize in it and are made for it. This game is about teamwork and quests. The only legitamte use for PvP is for testing things or for fun. Nothing in the game should be altered to accommodate anyone wishing it to be more than that.

[Senshock]

...Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP .....

/signed

[karnokvolrath]

If i could run in and fasinate every PVPer for 22 hours strait it would be the only thing i did......


Not because i want to grief or care about pvp, just so it would give HAX 22 hours of forum nerf thread making time so we could all chuckle....


HAX im really not trying to be a lame here, but....really? Go get an XBOX bro....there is millions of games that are made for epople that enjoy pvp style games, this is not one of them, and hopefully will never be one.

[Kekeon]

DDO was never meant for PvP, should never have had PvP and will be 10,000% better off to be rid of it. Nothing in the game should be changed or altered as a result of what happens there. If you love PvP there are plenty of games that specialize in it and are made for it. This game is about teamwork and quests. The only legitamte use for PvP is for testing things or for fun. Nothing in the game should be altered to accommodate anyone wishing it to be more than that.

Many things (cooldowns, effect timers, damage calculation factor, etc) in the game have been changed to bring smoothness to the online community.
Flesh to Stone is no longer a permanent spell. What would happen if a 6 people group get permanently FtSed? or if you get permanently FtSed in the arena, no one willing to Stone to Flesh you? That's why Flesh to Stone got and improvement.

Yes. There is not "nerfing" or weakening of spells, skills or effects, but an improvement of them in order to bring consistency to a D&D Realm inhabited by the people from the Realm beyond D&D (by us).

[phalaeo]

Say I had a 50 Will save... (nobody does)


My Cleric breaks 50 buffed. Next question.

[elujin]

My Cleric breaks 50 buffed. Next question.

here is a tip h4x0r1f1c songs don't work on undeath (or some wiz :p) to bad your a sorc

[phalaeo]

here is a tip h4x0r1f1c songs don't work on undeath (or some wiz :p) to bad your a sorc

*Looks down at Aura and stack of Heal Scrolls*

I am? :confused:

[elujin]

not sure why i quoted you there i am sure i had my reasons at that time ( or pressed quote instead of post) XD

[phalaeo]

not sure why i quoted you there i am sure i had my reasons at that time ( or pressed quote instead of post) XD

Oh, ok. For a second there, I thought I did the fastest TR and re-cap in DDO history...:D

[NaturalHazard]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

Hmmmm you one of those people who is no good on the dance floor? Go back to being a wallflower. :D.

If you want them to get rid of pvp? why do you keep going into pvp?

At least he whipped out his bow and put you out of your misery. You should be thanking him for that. :p

[BlackyLigar]

yeah i'd tend to agree mostly because if you're taking a race required prestigeline then you shouldn't be able to double up with a class prestige enhancment line. sez right in all the prestige lines that only one may be active at a time.

song of capering as i understand is a prestige song.

but more than that i have a few issues with it. in the brawlingroom it hits for 1 minute but in a pvp zone it hits for like 5 seconds.... should be 5 seconds everywhere since they can have up to three dance effects on you at one time..... and keep you permanently danced/fascinated.

another issue, it's instant, how can u instantly dance anything with a song on the very first note, i know it's a game but....? should at leaste have to be half way through the song before the dance hits shouldn't it?

the whole no way to save it bit? i'm cool with that.

[Gyipooo]

I'd like to ask the admins to nerf everything that can kill me in pvp too, here's the list:
-Manyshot
-Slaying arrow
-Wizard past life (though i have an ioun stone now)
-Please nerf the ioun stone as well, it gives my sorc some trouble to kill others with it
-You should remove blur effect, because my ranger won't have trueseeing if i TR, so i won't be able to kill in pvp on ~lvl1-16.

I love pvp, but not all the crying about it. I'd be ok if they removed it, wouldn't say a word, though probably i would go and play something with PvP and PvE systems too.

[KillEveryone]

In a competition, both opponents have different chances (%) to win. For example, a meele combatant can compete against a spellcaster by evading directional spells, having high HP (500+), working on doable saves (saving throws of 35 + d20 against difficulty check of 45), and getting buffs (spell resistance, protection from elements, resist elements, deathward, etc).

However, there is no competition when one oponent has 0% chance to fend for himself (instead depending on a 19/20 chance to fight every 3 seconds)

I don't know why even bother with a saving throw in the description of the Song of Capering. A "95% chance to land the song" suits better if it is gonna be that way.

It is not about to nerf something because of PvP, but to adapt something to Dungeon & Dragons Online. For example, Fly was not implemented, instead we have Leap of Faith and Abundant Step. Therefore, Song of Capering was not well adapted. IMO

I would just remove the 20 sided dice from the Difficulty Check (currently: d20 + 15 gear + 23 levels + 15 ability modifier). A 53 DC is pretty high, above the 40+ DC from spellcasters, but at least there is a chance to save against it, so there is competition.

Anyways, if a change is not coming soon, I gotta request the following feat:

Van Gogh's Ear I Feat: You remove one of your ears by imitating an artist of other realm. Grants a +20 bonus to saves against Will-based song effects.

Van Gogh's Ear II Feat: Immunity to song effects.

Well, casters can hit really hard with their spells, even if you have resists. We should nerf them too.

Warforged shouldn't be able to heal themselves in PvP because that is just unfair to the melees that can't UMD a heal scroll to be able to heal themselves after getting hit with one of the caster spells. Maybe we should add a 40 sided die to the heal scrolls so they have a chance at UMDing a scroll.

How about that Irresistable dance. No saves agains that. A arcane uses magic missle and uses up any any charges that your anti magic item has then hits you with that dance. You can't do anything about it.

A couple of new feats so that my songs are not useful. I'm not for that. I don't get Mass Hold Monster as a bard. This is the only mass CC that I can use without having to drag critters into my set up CC because disco ball can't be used while running and if these feats get implemented, it is possible that the dev's will think it would make a good addition to mobs.

Take away the die roll. No thanks. Again I don't want my PvE affected by PvP. Songs are what the bard has going for them and I don't want that nerfed just because PvPers are upset.

[PopeJual]

I have never been hit with a Bard's Song of Capering in PvP.


Ask me how...

[Creeper]

I have never been hit with a Bard's Song of Capering in PvP.


Ask me how...

How PopeJual? How is it possible? Magical supreme special item? Epic clicky? Potion? Speel? Weepon? Magical armors? Chromatic Ioun stonez????!!?!?!

TEELZ meh!

[NaturalHazard]

Pvp should be removed from this game until people stop making nerf threads regarding pvp. It is there for dull entertainment between quests, not as a fully balanced and functional play mode.

The day DDO balance starts to take into account pvp is the day the game loses a lot of its players.

but the pvp nerf threads are also dull entertainment like pvp as well?

[TheDearLeader]

How PopeJual? How is it possible? Magical supreme special item? Epic clicky? Potion? Speel? Weepon? Magical armors? Chromatic Ioun stonez????!!?!?!

TEELZ meh!

H4X needs more cowbell.

PopeJual has sufficient cowbell.

Question, answered.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

How PopeJual? How is it possible? Magical supreme special item? Epic clicky? Potion? Speel? Weepon? Magical armors? Chromatic Ioun stonez????!!?!?!

TEELZ meh!

Shield of nature tokens protect against all forms of mind control, including bard song and irresistable dance, for 3 hours. You get them from the chest the rare drops in the Druid Circle out at the edge of 3Barrel cove.

[KillEveryone]

Shield of nature tokens protect against all forms of mind control, including bard song and irresistable dance, for 3 hours. You get them from the chest the rare drops in the Druid Circle out at the edge of 3Barrel cove.

Now there goes my secret to being the PvP King.

You're also not supposed to talk about the druid circle. Too much of an easy button.

[Quarterling]

You're also not supposed to talk about the druid circle. Too much of an easy button.

You want an easy button? Hold down the power button on your computer. It kills all enemies and all players who oppose you in the Brawling Arena instantly!

[Rasczak]

I thought people do PvP because they not good enough to solo......

[PopeJual]

H4X needs more cowbell.

PopeJual has sufficient cowbell.

Question, answered.

This is the accurate answer. The persistant effects shield clicky is another valid answer, but I can't put up with the amount of grind needed to get the Druid Circle to manifest.

Because I have sufficient cowbell, I do not need to enter the PvP arena and am therefore not subject to the effects of the Song of Capering.

[Creeper]

Shield of nature tokens protect against all forms of mind control, including bard song and irresistable dance, for 3 hours. You get them from the chest the rare drops in the Druid Circle out at the edge of 3Barrel cove.

Is that the circle where you have to swim for like 20 minutes to get to and it looks like you hit a wall?

[toughguyjoe]

Is that the circle where you have to swim for like 20 minutes to get to and it looks like you hit a wall?

They just don't know the secret. When the "fence" in Mired in kobolds could be jumped it was MUCH easier to find the druids circle, because instead of grinding hoobajoobs to make it manifest all you needed to do was run to the south-east-northwesterly direction and BAM druid circle goodness for you.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

They just don't know the secret. When the "fence" in Mired in kobolds could be jumped it was MUCH easier to find the druids circle, because instead of grinding hoobajoobs to make it manifest all you needed to do was run to the south-east-northwesterly direction and BAM druid circle goodness for you.

That was a sweet bug, mean Keeper for fixing it!

[Stormslinger]

No both would be bashed


.

2 different thoughts. I wanted 2 different responses.

If I put them in the same thread and someone bashed one idea then the other idea might get ignored.

[Creeper]

When the "fence" in Mired in kobolds could be jumped it was MUCH easier to find the druids circle,

I always thought the fence was much too high to jump. :(

[96th_Malice]

*points*

*laughs*

LMAO !!!!

Agreed 100%

[96th_Malice]

I thought people do PvP because they not good enough to solo......

Actually incorrect

PvP is a place for the elitists to come in to see if their uber toons that just killed harry can also kill a lvl 20 Arcane Archer

95% of the time the elitist fails !

:)

[Kekeon]

Well, casters can hit really hard with their spells, even if you have resists. We should nerf them too.

Warforged shouldn't be able to heal themselves in PvP because that is just unfair to the melees that can't UMD a heal scroll to be able to heal themselves after getting hit with one of the caster spells. Maybe we should add a 40 sided die to the heal scrolls so they have a chance at UMDing a scroll.

How about that Irresistable dance. No saves agains that. A arcane uses magic missle and uses up any any charges that your anti magic item has then hits you with that dance. You can't do anything about it.

A couple of new feats so that my songs are not useful. I'm not for that. I don't get Mass Hold Monster as a bard. This is the only mass CC that I can use without having to drag critters into my set up CC because disco ball can't be used while running and if these feats get implemented, it is possible that the dev's will think it would make a good addition to mobs.

Take away the die roll. No thanks. Again I don't want my PvE affected by PvP. Songs are what the bard has going for them and I don't want that nerfed just because PvPers are upset.

Yes . Casters hit really hard. However, with high HP or high saves (to take half damage) and resist/protection you have a chance to defeat them.

There isn't anything a Caster can do to make you helpless if you are ready that. However, you can't do anything against a Bard singing the Song of Capering but to roll a 20.

What kind of Warforgeds are you talking about? Any race can meele and heal itself too: meele Clerics and Favored Souls.

You can block Irresistable Dance with Spell Resistance.

It is not just about PvP, even though we are on the PvP section. xD
There is nothing wrong with the songs and the effects. But the 53 + d20 DC (will) is just unreasonable TODAY. In fact, 53 DC may be the highest DC for an effect.

Therefore, I think there should be something to absorb/avoid that spell (without the need of nerfing): a enhancement, absorption item, temporay immunity item, or the Silence Spell perhaps.



In spite of everything, I think the Song of Capering is ok the way it is now. Maybe in the future, players will be able to get 60+ or 70+ on Will Saves.

[Hendrik]

They need to make a new quest, with a map like the wayward lobster, where the objective is to kill "Dispel, the PvP expert" in as many humiliating and degrading ways as possible.

This is a daily occurrence on Sarlona as you can see by his posting.

Maybe I should take my 99DC Bard in there....


What gets me is:

It's instant.

It's ranged.

It's unsavable. (basically)

These do nothing:
Mantle of the Worldshaper
Pale Lavender Ioun Stone

Of course they will do nothing! They are not meant to!

MOB's have high enough (at times) saves to make the saves.

You want, again, to nerf PvE to make PvP better for you to "I win!" at. You should really re-think your self proclaimed "PvP Expert" because all your posting is doing is proving that you are no where near an 'expert' at PvP or DDO.

[Dragavon]

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

Well said! :D

[BLU3_FR0G]

I mean no disrespect to anyone, the OP included. But the only reason I come into the pvp forums/ read anything by h4x, is if i need a good laugh.

Whenever I feel blue, I come here and I bust a gut so hard I have to visit the hospital.

Thank you, just... Thank you.

[v8gremlin]

I'm on Argo so I cant demonstrate another tactic that would own you, thereby needing a nerf. Shintao III Kukan-do, very easy to get to around 50DC (Will Save)

Whats that, a monk over the other side of the room.....he'll never get close enough too me.....*** I'm stunned.....abundant step tick tick dead....DEVS I NEED ANOTHER NERF!!!

[Kekeon]

This is a daily occurrence on Sarlona as you can see by his posting.

Maybe I should take my 99DC Bard in there....



Of course they will do nothing! They are not meant to!

MOB's have high enough (at times) saves to make the saves.

You want, again, to nerf PvE to make PvP better for you to "I win!" at. You should really re-think your self proclaimed "PvP Expert" because all your posting is doing is proving that you are no where near an 'expert' at PvP or DDO.

Own interests don't matter (nor if the User posted 1000 threads about "nerfing") as long as there is a common reasonable matter among players.

The fact is that the only chance to save against Capering song is to roll a 20.
Players' way to block this song or save (50+ Will Save) may be possible in the future. Therefore, be patient. xD



What gets me is:

It's instant.

It's ranged.

It's unsavable. (basically)

These do nothing:
Mantle of the Worldshaper
Pale Lavender Ioun Stone

That post really impoverishes your argument and arouses opposition against the purpose of the topic.

There is no problem with the instant and ranged characteristics of Capering Song. What gets you or not is not is not always community's problem.

I wonder if people posting about "nerfing" are actually asking for a solution to something (that seems to be unfair or unbalanced in an online community of players) OR to ridicule the community's protest by being the Thread author and lead the Thread to the ruin.

However, we will not be victims of trickery as long as we focus on the reasonable facts. If there is none, then it is foolishness or trickery.


I'm on Argo so I cant demonstrate another tactic that would own you, thereby needing a nerf. Shintao III Kukan-do, very easy to get to around 50DC (Will Save)

Whats that, a monk over the other side of the room.....he'll never get close enough too me.....*** I'm stunned.....abundant step tick tick dead....DEVS I NEED ANOTHER NERF!!!

*Claps* That's funny. (sarcasm) :S

I'm on Argo too.

Shintao Monk: Kukan-Do (DC = 10 + Charisma Modifier + your monk level)

People can quite save against it with 40 Will on a roll higher than 10 (40 + d20), and then own you.