Paladins intimidate class skill?

[SockMonkey]

Did palis get intim as a class skill? if they did what about all the existing palis? I know mine didnt get any extra skill points or maxed intim.


Working as intended?

[rimble]

Yeah, they haven't really offered any free way to go back and 'fix' characters outside of the normal means. So you have to swap Feats, respec Enhancements, or Lesser Reincarnate to redo skills (and pick up Intimidate in this case).

[dogpig00]

Buy a heart of the wood and reincarnate.

It is an obvious Turbine strategy: get its users to spend as much as possible.

[dogpig00]

Yeah, they haven't really offered any free way to go back and 'fix' characters outside of the normal means. So you have to swap Feats, respec Enhancements, or Lesser Reincarnate to redo skills (and pick up Intimidate in this case).

tell me how swap feats and respec enhancements help your skill selection

[rimble]

tell me how swap feats and respec enhancements help your skill selection

I was outlining the tools at your disposal to fix a character after a change that affects you, then specifically mentioning LR would be required in this case.

Woods might start dropping in some loot tables now. We'll have to see if it's in any sort of reliable way.

[Ciaran]

I was outlining the tools at your disposal to fix a character after a change that affects you, then specifically mentioning LR would be required in this case.

Woods might start dropping in some loot tables now. We'll have to see if it's in any sort of reliable way.

Reliable or not, the decent thing for them to have done would have been to given all existing paladins the ability to reincarnate so they could reallocate skill points.

TTB. Typical Turbine Behavior. :rolleyes:

[rimble]

Reliable or not, the decent thing for them to have done would have been to given all existing paladins the ability to reincarnate so they could reallocate skill points.

TTB. Typical Turbine Behavior. :rolleyes:

Agreed.

[Yaga_Nub]

Reliable or not, the decent thing for them to have done would have been to given all existing paladins the ability to reincarnate so they could reallocate skill points.

TTB. Typical Turbine Behavior. :rolleyes:

No it wouldn't. Just because there's a change doesn't mean that Turbine needs to give a player a free XXX to utilize that change. People have been asking for this for a long time and we should be happy that the change has been made and that we have methods to change our old characters to be able to take advantage of it.

[eonfreon]

Yay!!! My Paladin can finally get full ranks in Intimidate.

Boo!! I have to purchase (or find) a Heart of Wood to get full ranks in Intimidate.

Really should have been a free respec available to all Paladins.
That would have been the right thing to do, in my opinion.
If you don't think so, that's fine, but that's your opinion.

[dogpig00]

we have methods to change our old characters to be able to take advantage of it.

The "methods" is, conveniently, paying Turbine.

[Yaga_Nub]

The "methods" is, conveniently, paying Turbine.

It's better than having to roll a whole new paladin isn't it?

[William_the_Bat]

If your paladin is involved in certain types of permadeath and other special rules systems, then buying a lesser heart of wood would violate the terms of your special rules group.

Reroll, noob.

If you are f2p and want to stay that way, you may end up having to get one of the new hearts of wood that drop as loot... on the AH assuming they don't bind, but otherwise you have to get -reeeealy- lucky.

That or grind out favor. More favor.

[LordPiglet]

No it wouldn't. Just because there's a change doesn't mean that Turbine needs to give a player a free XXX to utilize that change. People have been asking for this for a long time and we should be happy that the change has been made and that we have methods to change our old characters to be able to take advantage of it.

No, they don't need to, but anytime they make changes that affect how a character can play and perform, they should. It's standard practice in a lot of their competitors. Just because they hand it out, doesn't mean everyone will use it, they could set an expiration date on it perhaps. Or they need another way to reset skills.

Personally, my pally doesn't have imtimidate, has no plan to have intimidate so I wouldn't use one if I had one.

[AyumiAmakusa]

With hearts of wood dropping in regular loot chests, everybody wins!

[Yaga_Nub]

No, they don't need to, but anytime they make changes that affect how a character can play and perform, they should. It's standard practice in a lot of their competitors. Just because they hand it out, doesn't mean everyone will use it, they could set an expiration date on it perhaps. Or they need another way to reset skills.

Personally, may pally doesn't have imtimidate, has no plan to have intimidate so I wouldn't use one if I had one.

Just because it's a standard practice with competitors doesn't mean that it will automatically be the de facto behavior of Turbine. Plus hearts are dropping as loot so a person could just wait until they pull one and then do the respect.

[LordPiglet]

Just because it's a standard practice with competitors doesn't mean that it will automatically be the de facto behavior of Turbine. Plus hearts are dropping as loot so a person could just wait until they pull one and then do the respect.

Oh, I understand that completely. There a lot of actions by Turbine that are far from normal, some of which are pretty crappy.

Hearts dropping as loot is a good, however what will the drop rates be. What loot table are they on, which hearts are they, etc.

[dogpig00]

With hearts of wood dropping in regular loot chests, everybody wins!

The chance of such drop would be around the chance of getting "Zod" rune in Diablo 2.

Where are the dupers when you need them?

[Rice]

Just because it's a standard practice with competitors doesn't mean that it will automatically be the de facto behavior of Turbine. Plus hearts are dropping as loot so a person could just wait until they pull one and then do the respect.

Actually, the standard practice is to allow an in-game exclusive or in-game AND a monetary way to reset your stats. Only allowing you to reset if you pay $10 every single time is way too much. This is for every single character, on every single time you want to change something because of the nerfs and buffs that come and go.

It is quite an unscrupulous practice.

PS: Oh, and relying on pure luck for a respec heart? Don't make me laugh.

[Yaga_Nub]

Actually, the standard practice is to allow an in-game exclusive or in-game AND a monetary way to reset your stats. Only allowing you to reset if you pay $10 every single time is way too much. This is for every single character, on every single time you want to change something because of the nerfs and buffs that come and go.

It is quite an unscrupulous practice.

PS: Oh, and relying on pure luck for a respec heart? Don't make me laugh.

Take Luck of the Heroes on your characters. :)

[Ciaran]

No it wouldn't. Just because there's a change doesn't mean that Turbine needs to give a player a free XXX to utilize that change. People have been asking for this for a long time and we should be happy that the change has been made and that we have methods to change our old characters to be able to take advantage of it.

I never said they NEEDED to. I said it would have been the decent thing to do.

I am happy the change has been made, but I'm also not happy that in order to take advantage of it one either needs to buy hearts of wood from the store or wait until one is fortunate to get one to drop.

When they introduced Dragonmarks they gave every character a one-time free feat swap so they could take advantage of these, yet more often it's used to swap out feats that have nothing to do with Dragonmarks.

Why couldn't they do that with Paladins and Intimidate?

Some things that their competitors do Turbine would be smart to emulate. In AoC whenever they changed the feat trees up significantly, they gave the affected classes a free feat respec as well as reset the respec cost. Clearly Turbine CAN do something similar if they so choose (see Dragonmark example) but the fact they chose not to is understandably a bit off-putting.

This doesn't really affect me overly much; I no longer have a high level Paladin, mine's only 6 so rerolling isn't so terrible (except I won't since a friend gave me +1 WIS tome), but given that there are a lot of capped Paladins who have been clamoring for this for a while, the fact that they have to buy/loot hearts of wood I'm sure feels like a slap in the face. It would to me if I still had my level 19 Paladin.

[rest]

I no longer have a high level Paladin, mine's only 6 so rerolling isn't so terrible (except I won't since a friend gave me +1 WIS tome), but given that there are a lot of capped Paladins who have been clamoring for this for a while, the fact that they have to buy/loot hearts of wood I'm sure feels like a slap in the face. It would to me if I still had my level 19 Paladin.

Just reroll her! It's a +1 tome man. I pulled 2 yesterday and the only reason I still have them is because the AH was down :p

I've deleted and rerolled half a dozen toons who have eaten +2 tomes.

Besides I gave you enough plat to buy your own wis tome again :cool: Unless you already spent it all on Charlotte the Scarlet and haste pots!

[Ciaran]

Unless you already spent it all on Charlotte the Scarlet and Remove Disease pots!

Fixed that for you. :p

[vengfarga]

yeah, how do you think us rog mechs who already bought exotic wp for one or other repeater felt? or had all their combat feats stuck in 2wf? or both, like me? If pallys were to get their skill points to respend surely we should have our feats back? A full update later I can promise you it's never gonna happen and I guess it's this kinda precedent that stops it. Still, I can't say stop fighting - just remember to try n make it retroactive if you win!

[Ciaran]

yeah, how do you think us rog mechs who already bought exotic wp for one or other repeater felt? or had all their combat feats stuck in 2wf? or both, like me? If pallys were to get their skill points to respend surely we should have our feats back? A full update later I can promise you it's never gonna happen and I guess it's this kinda precedent that stops it. Still, I can't say stop fighting - just remember to try n make it retroactive if you win!

Maybe that's why they didn't do it, because of the potential can of worms it would open up.

If so, it's unfortunate when a bad process winds up driving future decisions and becoming "the process".

Since there already is a mechanic to change it in game (albeit one that requires TP or luck), I doubt we'll see it as well. It would've been nice, but I honestly didn't expect it, not from Turbine. Doesn't change the disappointment felt, however.