No benefits for four year P2P players?

[Angelican]

This is basically just a gripe as I'm not really expecting anything to be accomplished other than my feeling better after venting. ;)

So here's the deal, I've been playing since release and been paying subscription since the first 30 day trial ended. That's four years of paid subscription. After they opened the DDO Store I couldn't imagine how much I've spent buying points for rez cakes, mana potions, tomes of supreme ability, etc. However, ends up my bank account didn't have quite enough left to cover the subscription for this month and the subscription was cancelled. No big deal because payday is next week. What I'm surprised to find while playing as F2P for the first time, is that after 4 years of being a paying player, as soon as your subscription ends you no longer have access to anything! No Adventure Packs, No shared bank slot, no Warforge, no favored soul, nothing! So now I'm wondering, should I use my money on payday to return to a paying subscriber and have the same thing possibly happen again when money is tight or should I stay as F2P and simply purchase all the content individually? My guess is I've already spent well over what buying everything individually would have costed by being a subscriber for 4 years. So if I simply put the money into buying each "upgrade" and not paying a monthly amount again, I would always have it intead of loosing everything as soon as I can't make a monthly payment. Am I wrong? Pay every month and have it all taken away as soon as you can't pay or pay for everything individually and have it forever without the need to keep paying every month. Seems to me the latter would be cheaper in the long run? Correct? Now if there were some benefit to being a paying subscriber for 4 years (like a 30 day grace period after the subscription is cancelled) then maybe I'd give it more thought. But currently I'm thinking remaining F2P and buying what I use is cheaper and more secure in the long run.

:p

[FlyingTurtle]

4 years = 48 months; *500 free TP per month = 24000 TP = enough to buy every single adventure pack.

[AyumiAmakusa]

4 years = 48 months; *500 free TP per month = 24000 TP = enough to buy every single adventure pack.

I'm guessing the OP used that on rez cakes.

[Mr_Tank]

4 years = 48 months; *500 free TP per month = 24000 TP = enough to buy every single adventure pack.

Only been getting TP since mod 9. So 12*500=6000

[DMCain]

While F2P, pick up the packs you enjoy the most (if TP are available), then go back to P2P when you can. If/when money gets tight again, you'll still have access to those areas.

I know a guy that was F2P, bought all the packs and account options then went P2P. He decided that if he ever got tight in the wallet, he could drop sub and still have all the goodies.

[Yshkabibble]

I agree. I have been paying my electric bill for **** near 20 years and have yet to get anything special from them.

[Xeraphim]

nevermind

[Rumbaar]

Yes, this is the rent or buy argument.

I went with buy.

You've rented the game for 4 years, and after you stop paying rent you don't have access to anything that renting grants you.

I brought, and I have mine forever [life of game].

[English_Warrior]

4 years = 48 months; *500 free TP per month = 24000 TP = enough to buy every single adventure pack.

If you look at it from another way its even worse than that....

$15 per month for 48 months = $720

$720 will get you around 44,000 - 72,000 TP (depending upon offers/bundle size)



The net result is us premium players who started around a year ago spent FAR FAR less money and now own all the content in the game with no subscription fee. Yikes. I too would be a bit miffed.

[Uska]

4 years = 48 months; *500 free TP per month = 24000 TP = enough to buy every single adventure pack.

we havent been getting TP for the whole time though

[Nyvn]

I went P2P right after the store launched and it's been a great decision for me. I bought enough TP for the minimum of things I wanted, Shroud, WF, Ect, then waited for a point bundle special. Now I pick up things as they go on sale.

[KillEveryone]

Just buy the packs.

When money is tight you have your priorities.

You also don't have to worry about getting your sub renewed.

Life also happens. You may resub but something comes up and you don't get to use your sub that you paid for...I personally like to get my money's worth.

The packs and points go on sale. Best value is to just buy that way.

You don't have to buy everything because if there is some stuff you just don't like to do then you don't need that pack.

Really are not many perks of VIP that make it worth it. Elite open in the next update is nice but you can always roll a second account and have some openers. Farm up TP for it if you want to or just buy the smallest point pack or grab some on sale and get packs you want when on sale.

I have everything I want at the moment...haven't bought the last two releases but I want more high level content so I'm not going to encourage low level pack development.

I was VIP for a few months, glad I'm premium.

[~jradnut]

Wall o' Text, ...the only way to be sure...X.X

[Angelican]

I have made up my mind. I'm going to grab what I absolutely need from the store on payday and then just buy when things are on sale (including points). It makes so much more sense to just buy things individually and have them without the subscription than to pay every month and then not have them when you can't pay the monthly fee. I honestly don't see why anyone would continue paying monthly other than lack of knowledge, as was the case with me before now. But I will definetely share the knowledge I have gained. :D

[cdbd3rd]

.... I honestly don't see why anyone would continue paying monthly other than lack of knowledge, .... :D


Easy now. It's always good when one finds self-enlightenment, but don't get carried away judging others' decisions. That almost reads like the fervor of a newly recruited religious initiate who sees the light and goes forth to make sure everyone else sees their light, too. :p


Just poking fun a bit, but it does sound kinda condescending for the rest of us 'uninformed' sub-paying VIPs. ;)

[Ashurr]

I know a guy that was F2P, bought all the packs and account options then went P2P. He decided that if he ever got tight in the wallet, he could drop sub and still have all the goodies.


Uhh..why would he do this? Yeah, the 500 TP a month is nice, and I'm all for supporting the game...but if ya already own all packs AND account options, why sub?

[nibel]

Only been getting TP since mod 9. So 12*500=6000

Old players got a TP bonus when the store opens. I know i got 3000 points, I think the older players got a higher bonus.

That, plus the 16* months of VIP since mod 9, gives enough TP to buy almost everything.

*we had 4 months that VIPs receives 1000 TP/month

[Ratnix]

I have made up my mind. I'm going to grab what I absolutely need from the store on payday and then just buy when things are on sale (including points). It makes so much more sense to just buy things individually and have them without the subscription than to pay every month and then not have them when you can't pay the monthly fee. I honestly don't see why anyone would continue paying monthly other than lack of knowledge, as was the case with me before now. But I will definetely share the knowledge I have gained. :D

I am paying monthly because I always do 3 months when I start playing a game. In the case of eveything being avaliable through the store, I would like try stuff out so that I know what I like instead of just buying everything, even the stuff I wont end up playing.
I prefer trying it myself I.stead of just buying what the powergamers say you should buy.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

4 years = 48 months; *500 free TP per month = 24000 TP = enough to buy every single adventure pack.

Hi and welcome to DDO. TPs haven't existed that long.

[Chai]

It could be worse. We could be sub only and you could not be able to play right now until you sub up again.

15 bucks a month is ~50 cents per day. One less can of soda today and you got it covered. Quit smoking and you got a DDO sub plus lots left over.

[emanlord]

If you have to quibble over paying 15 a month, than find something that pays you more or worry about real life instead and not a GAME. Have fun playing this. Thats good advice, for when it stops being fun, it is best to just leave. And remember it is only a game. Act accordingly.

[Angelican]

Actually F2P is a good thing cause it keeps me interested in the game instead of being unable to log in and eventually deciding it's not worth it to ever pay (or play) again. If TOR turns out to be halfway decent, I would imagine the server population will decrease in numbers. DDO is one of the best games currently out but it's far from an attention keeper. Meaning people are constantly waiting for something better to come out or an improvement to this game to make it worth sticking with. Really, how long have we been at the level 20 cap? The only thing they have done since is allow TR's but some people aren't interested in that degree of XP grinding. Now there's always those of you that quickly say "If you don't like it then leave", well when something better comes out I will but like I said this is one of the best games currently out. So it's not a matter of like or don't like, it's what other choices of games are there. :P

Anyway, back to what I was saying. I like the idea of F2P cause I will buy the content I actually use and ignore the rest and never pay a monthly fee for this game again. I'll just buy whatever new content comes out (if I decide to try it out). Personally, if they did away with the F2P now I'd probably not play anymore. So I'm happy they have F2P.

Now stop your flaming and *****ing!

:D

(P.S. Emanlord- Look at our "join dates" and tell my why I should care when you say I should leave) :P

[Kaeliee]

I'm really glad Angelican gets it now. As mentioned in other threads, buying content is hands down superior to VIP because when you purchase an adventure pack, you "own" it for the rest of the game's existence (DDO can probably last at least 5+ more years) as opposed to "renting" it for a set period of time. And renting sucks because 1) most of the time, you are renting content you are not utilizing or tired of and 2) at expiration, renting leaves no residual value. If it were legal to sell accounts, an account with many of the adventure packs purchased would be more valuable than an expired VIP account with no adventure packs (Angelican experienced this first hand). Stated another way, you can purchase the entire content and other account options to make a F2P into VIP-equivalent for about $250, which is about 2 years worth of VIP subscription. For $250, would you rather have a lifetime access or a 2-year access? Granted there will be new content released to buy, but the scale is so tilted towards owning that it will not make much of a difference.

Out of the three account options, the sweet spot is definitely in the Premium Account option. VIP sucks for reasons stated above and as for pure F2P, it simply is not worth the time to farm all the favor points to grind your way to content because Turbine has structured the pricing system to make it that way. So spend about $50 (about 3 months worth of subscription), use your points wisely (get the "core" packs and only the necessary account options) and you can have a solid MMORPG that you can play hassle free until it is no longer supported.

In my opinion, Turbine has mispriced the adventure packs. They are front loading the cash flow selling them at a huge discount to their true value (or relative value to VIP), perhaps to stay afloat, and in the process, giving away the farm. As the game further matures and people realize that VIP is not competitive, they will have a harder time generating cash flow to sustain the population and growth. The business model will switch so that Turbine will generate cash upon sale of new content instead of providing play time (which is how traditional MMORPGs made money). And we all know it is much more expensive to generate new content than to keep servers up. Plus, this change in the incentives will obviously make Turbine focused on providing new content at the expense of other aspects of the game, such as fixing bugs (the amount of bugs, mislabeling, etc. in this game is simply astonishing from a player used to Blizzard quality polish).

[samthedagger]

I am P2P, but I spend my free points sparingly. I only buy stuff that is 50% off, and then, only when it is something that I can use for the life of the character (like a huge ingredients bag). From the 500 bonus points I have earned along with the points I earn from favor just for playing, I have found that I have enough banked to buy all the packs I care about if I ever decide to cancel my sub.

Rez cakes... seriously.

[FluffyCalico]

4 years = 48 months; *500 free TP per month = 24000 TP = enough to buy every single adventure pack.

Except TP have only existed alittle over a year so you math is way way way off.

[melkor1702]

I really wasn't going to wade into this thread but I've got to address a couple of points here. (in red)


I'm really glad Angelican gets it now. As mentioned in other threads, buying content is hands down superior to VIP because when you purchase an adventure pack, you "own" it for the rest of the game's existence (DDO can probably last at least 5+ more years) as opposed to "renting" it for a set period of time. And renting sucks because 1) most of the time, you are renting content you are not utilizing or tired of
As opposed to "owning" a pack that you are not utilizing or tired of? You can't sell it back to Turbine when you get bored with a pack, so it sits there doing nothing and 2) at expiration, renting leaves no residual value.
Stopping playing when you "own" the pack leaves no residual value if you don't come back to play either, you are only buying access, you own nothing tangible, nothing that you can sell, make money off or anything. All you own is access to Turbines game and they can take that access off you at anytime or you can become bored and never play it again
If it were legal to sell accounts,
Well... it's not so anything after this point is rather moot
an account with many of the adventure packs purchased would be more valuable than an expired VIP account with no adventure packs (Angelican experienced this first hand). Stated another way, you can purchase the entire content and other account options to make a F2P into VIP-equivalent for about $250, which is about 2 years worth of VIP subscription. For $250, would you rather have a lifetime access or a 2-year access? Granted there will be new content released to buy, but the scale is so tilted towards owning that it will not make much of a difference.

...snip...


Really the decision of which payment/play model you want to use is up to the individual. I'm not going to say one is better than any others because in each persons individual circumstances different models will work.

VIP costs about $0.50 per day
Premium buy all content & options for approx $250 (quoted from above)
F2P huge time investment to grind TP for all content & options

Each works for different people, with different commitments, it's the options that make this game great both in how you play and how you pay.

[Teldo]

The last time I took a break from the game, when I came back I thought about resubing, but instead I just spent 10 months worth of sub's 150 bucks and bought 3 x 6900 point bundle packs, and now I just pick up stuff at 20-50% off.

Just added an extra 6 character slots at 50% off, ready for the half-breed invasion.:D

[Chai]

Actually F2P is a good thing cause it keeps me interested in the game instead of being unable to log in and eventually deciding it's not worth it to ever pay (or play) again. If TOR turns out to be halfway decent, I would imagine the server population will decrease in numbers. DDO is one of the best games currently out but it's far from an attention keeper. Meaning people are constantly waiting for something better to come out or an improvement to this game to make it worth sticking with. Really, how long have we been at the level 20 cap? The only thing they have done since is allow TR's but some people aren't interested in that degree of XP grinding. Now there's always those of you that quickly say "If you don't like it then leave", well when something better comes out I will but like I said this is one of the best games currently out. So it's not a matter of like or don't like, it's what other choices of games are there. :P

When everyone gets sick of Jedi being the most common player class in the game and you cant walk 2 steps without running headfirst into one, I imagine many people will be right back here where many options present themselves. No, this game isnt perfect, but most people also dont realize how good this game really is until they leave it for some gimmick like Star Wars, The Overpopulated-Jedi Republic.


Anyway, back to what I was saying. I like the idea of F2P cause I will buy the content I actually use and ignore the rest and never pay a monthly fee for this game again. I'll just buy whatever new content comes out (if I decide to try it out). Personally, if they did away with the F2P now I'd probably not play anymore. So I'm happy they have F2P.

Now stop your flaming and *****ing!

:D

(P.S. Emanlord- Look at our "join dates" and tell my why I should care when you say I should leave) :P

I mostly like the F2P marketing scheme as well, however, I think that people are misleading themselves when they say they can own everything, when Turbine will just release new stuff when they need money.

Join date only indicates when the account was created.

[Setin_Myways]

something someone has yet to ask is how many chars do you have? when you go p2p, you have 2 slots until you buy something, then it goes to 4. Each slot, shared banks, most races (with half orc and half elf on the horizen) cost a fair amount of tp.

I am p2p and have bought everything I want at this point, but I am well over a few hundred into the game (multiple accounts) so yes, I own everything, but the sword cuts both ways. if you are vip, you get all the new content, where as i now have to buy the new races. As someone that has already spent a fair amount of cash, I am 'obligated' to continue to play, whee as a vip can evaluate this each month with no real 'Loss'. If they nerf this or that or decide to change the loot tables, or make the game more pvp focused, or simply take it into any number of unpredictable directions, I have already placed my bet on the table and need to ride it out or walk away. Given the idea that a moths worth of play is really $15.00, i still need to play another 6 months before i am 'Saving' ... but i am still denied access to some content and features...

This is why the model is successful. you can talor it to what is best for you. I do not think one way is right or wrong. just a better fit.

[Ratnix]

In my opinion, Turbine has mispriced the adventure packs. They are front loading the cash flow selling them at a huge discount to their true value (or relative value to VIP), perhaps to stay afloat, and in the process, giving away the farm.


They are doing it right. The Adventure Packs are a 1 time purchase. People still buy them at full price, only people who are willing to go months between sales doing nothing but the same couple of quests over and over again will wait until the one they want is on sale.

They make their money on the stuff that gets purchased on a regular basis.
Gold Seal Hirelings
Exp pots and any others that sell
Tomes
Astral Diamonds and anything for the Guild Ships

Then look at people who have an account worth of alts. Even if they only buy bags and bank slots for half of the characters they are making more money off of that account than they would off of 1 adventure pack that is good for all servers on that account.


Sure they take a little cut when people buy Adventure Packs while they are on sale but they don't make that much off of them in the first place. It's not like you have to buy them for each character or server.

[zorander6]

Personally I'm VIP for two reasons, the first being I get immediate access to all new quests and some other new features (half orc/half elf.) The other reason is my wife also plays and it's far easier to both be VIP and not argue over which packs to buy. She likes low level quests and I bought a bunch of high level quests so we could never run together without spending a ton of TP on guest passes.


Could we buy/earn enough TP to get all the new stuff....sure, but not when it comes out. Not to mention the cost of VIP for the two of us is less than it'd cost us to go to the movies or the bar and I at least get far more enjoyment out of it.

Premium is good for some, VIP works for us. ;) Choose which one works better with your budget/play style.

[Fr33kSh0w2012]

Actually F2P is a good thing cause it keeps me interested in the game instead of being unable to log in and eventually deciding it's not worth it to ever pay (or play) again. If TOR turns out to be halfway decent, I would imagine the server population will decrease in numbers. DDO is one of the best games currently out but it's far from an attention keeper. Meaning people are constantly waiting for something better to come out or an improvement to this game to make it worth sticking with. Really, how long have we been at the level 20 cap? The only thing they have done since is allow TR's but some people aren't interested in that degree of XP grinding. Now there's always those of you that quickly say "If you don't like it then leave", well when something better comes out I will but like I said this is one of the best games currently out. So it's not a matter of like or don't like, it's what other choices of games are there. :P

Anyway, back to what I was saying. I like the idea of F2P cause I will buy the content I actually use and ignore the rest and never pay a monthly fee for this game again. I'll just buy whatever new content comes out (if I decide to try it out). Personally, if they did away with the F2P now I'd probably not play anymore. So I'm happy they have F2P.

Now stop your flaming and *****ing!

:D

(P.S. Emanlord- Look at our "join dates" and tell my why I should care when you say I should leave) :P

I understand entirely when I bought the ELDERSCROLLS 4 OBLIVION I was quite upset that it wasn't the full game and I had to get the DLC to make it the full game when I had the money to pay for the DLC the Site to buy the DLC was Shut down I tend to enjoy what I've got for NOTHING at all I'm pretty good at RPG's Too not Morrowind though.

[Fr33kSh0w2012]

I quite like Steam Bought a TON of games off them But I HATE the steam Achievements They are such a CHORE!

[Odium]

This is basically just a gripe as I'm not really expecting anything to be accomplished other than my feeling better after venting. ;)

So here's the deal, I've been playing since release and been paying subscription since the first 30 day trial ended. That's four years of paid subscription. After they opened the DDO Store I couldn't imagine how much I've spent buying points for rez cakes, mana potions, tomes of supreme ability, etc. However, ends up my bank account didn't have quite enough left to cover the subscription for this month and the subscription was cancelled. No big deal because payday is next week. What I'm surprised to find while playing as F2P for the first time, is that after 4 years of being a paying player, as soon as your subscription ends you no longer have access to anything! No Adventure Packs, No shared bank slot, no Warforge, no favored soul, nothing! So now I'm wondering, should I use my money on payday to return to a paying subscriber and have the same thing possibly happen again when money is tight or should I stay as F2P and simply purchase all the content individually? My guess is I've already spent well over what buying everything individually would have costed by being a subscriber for 4 years. So if I simply put the money into buying each "upgrade" and not paying a monthly amount again, I would always have it intead of loosing everything as soon as I can't make a monthly payment. Am I wrong? Pay every month and have it all taken away as soon as you can't pay or pay for everything individually and have it forever without the need to keep paying every month. Seems to me the latter would be cheaper in the long run? Correct? Now if there were some benefit to being a paying subscriber for 4 years (like a 30 day grace period after the subscription is cancelled) then maybe I'd give it more thought. But currently I'm thinking remaining F2P and buying what I use is cheaper and more secure in the long run.

:p

I was once faced with the same decision. I decided to stop paying the subscription amount. The upfront cost is pretty large, if you cant wait for when things are on sale, between all the adventure packs you want, shared bank, and depending on how many characters you have, additional slots, you can easily be talking over 200 dollars.

What i did was simple.
Chose set of characters i wanted to play (for me it was easy as i only had 3 capped characters at the time).

Suck it up and buy that shared bank. its costly but worth it.

Unlock any needed races/classes to make the above possible, pay the cash.

Get the most out of your favor. Make sure one of the characters you keep up is the one with the most favor so you can have all those favor related things.

Pick the most vital content. It stated with the vale and amarath, then gianthold, the rest i picked up over time when either points or packs were on sale. Then get others as they go on sale.

once you do this your free. I think the only content i dont own is 3 barrel cove, Necro 1, and Cult of the six area because i hate those places.

A major benefit is now that your not paying a subscription, you can funnel 100% of that money into turbine points. I think i have somewhere around 8,000-10000 stored up from where i have made a few purchases during the double bonus point promotions. So what if its 50 bux, your saving 15 a month and after three months its covered. Even doing this i have still paid less than what i would have if i did a subscription, and i have 10 more characters as well.

When times are hard, you dont sweat it, you still got the game and can play it without worry.

To summarize: Drop the Subscription and make the initial large purchase if you can and never look back.

[emanlord]

To Angelican.

Thanks for your response to my response. Since you obviously did not read what I wrote, let me say this: the aurgument between f2p and sub. is up to the person to decide on how or what that person decides to play THE GAME. My statment about leaving seemed to offend you, for that I apologize. I meant that if you still enjoy playing than do so but if the game has lost its luster and becomes a grind(not grinding for xp btw) than do something else that will bring to joy.

Now for this flaming and what ever this *****ing! is I was not and it seemed you may have yourself. And bringing up join dates just reeks of elitisim. Does it real matter when or how long we've played, we all have informed opinions to share(at least I hope we do). Just because you played for 4 years and me one, does that make you wiser and better or just have been around longer. Could be either one.

Guess I'm done now so I'll go back enjoy playing this while it is still fun to play.

[Kaeliee]

I really wasn't going to wade into this thread but I've got to address a couple of points here. (in red)

As opposed to "owning" a pack that you are not utilizing or tired of? You can't sell it back to Turbine when you get bored with a pack, so it sits there doing nothing...

Stopping playing when you "own" the pack leaves no residual value if you don't come back to play either, you are only buying access, you own nothing tangible, nothing that you can sell, make money off or anything. All you own is access to Turbines game and they can take that access off you at anytime or you can become bored and never play it again...

Really the decision of which payment/play model you want to use is up to the individual. I'm not going to say one is better than any others because in each persons individual circumstances different models will work.

VIP costs about $0.50 per day
Premium buy all content & options for approx $250 (quoted from above)
F2P huge time investment to grind TP for all content & options

Each works for different people, with different commitments, it's the options that make this game great both in how you play and how you pay.

I think you missed some important points. 1) Premium players who buy adventure packs tend to play said adventure packs. VIP players who have access to all adventure packs generally do not play all of the adventure packs on any given month. They paid for it, but did not utilize it - leading to an inefficient result. I agree that Premium account would be incredible if Turbine store accepted "returns" but it is still much more efficient and a better use of resources than VIP because it's channeled.

2) The residual value means value left over. It doesn't necessarily mean anything tangible, etc. A Premium account with 10 adventure packs purchased (with about $50) is better than a VIP account that had been played for 3 months (about $50 total spent) and became expired with no adventure packs. It's that simple and the inherent value is easily recognizable. I mention selling of the accounts to illustrate a point, but its illegality doesn't make the point moot. You can still gift away the account, which is legal, and we can still tell which account is more valuable and desirable.

3) The sweet spot to maximize the fun of playing this game with the minimum payout is to pay about $50 total and get the core adventure packs and a few necessities. If you play a year, that would be $0.14 per day. And you can keep spending about $50 per year to get new adventure packs and classes and still enjoy huge savings over VIP, which is at $0.50 per day. Even if you spend $100 per year in adventure packs (on sale, you can get 13,000 Turbine Points for this much money) and whatever else you want, you would still be at $0.27 per day, which is just about half of what you would spend if you were a VIP sucker.

4) I can see you are not good at math or analyzing apples to apples (and also not sure why you feel the need to assert the truism of "it is up to the individual") but using reason, math and some intellect, most people would come to the conclusion that Premium is the superior choice (and demonstratively so).

[MsEricka]

Wall of text = fail

Take a step back to before Sept 2009 and if your payments lapsed then, you couldn't even log into your character. Now you can do that for nothing, zero cost. Yes you did get something from paying, you got updates, entertainment, friendships, gear, challenges and accomplishments.

As for the points, assuming you paid on the 15th of every month you'd have 14 payments in by now

14 x 500 = 7000 points
4 x 500 = 2000 points (bonus vip points)
Played in Beta 250 <- probably yes by your post
Used DDO Store in Beta 250 <- lets not count this one
Subscriber on July 31st 999 <- I assume yes
VIP & Played Less Than 1 Year 400 <- N/A
or VIP & Played 1 - 2 Years 900 <- N/A
or VIP & Played 2+ Years 1,500 <- bingo!

Total = 11749 points (And at a cash value of $0.01 per point that's $117.49 given back to you. Free money or rebate, you decide.)

Now add up all the favor you've earned. There's a few hundred more points too.

So what did you get for paying for ViP? A lot of wasted points apparently.

And yes, I am ViP thank you very much.

[fuzzy1guy]

I agree. I have been paying my electric bill for **** near 20 years and have yet to get anything special from them.

QFT!


I don't get this attitude that just because you're paying them. You deserve to get something special above and beyond what you bought just because you paid them X times.

That aint no way to run a business... ;)

[Nospheratus]

Personaly i am VIP and intend on continuing like that. I have no interest on checking what i need to do this or that, i just want to play. But that is because i don't need to worry about how much i pay...

VIPs can also buy the adventure packs, 32 pt, fvs etc, they even get 500 TPs/month.

I'm fine with my choice of being VIP, especially because i'm paying around 7€/month, which is less than half what i was paying back in the European servers!

[MsEricka]

Awesome, neg repped by some forum troll cuz they don't like me pointing out they ****ed away their turbine points.

[melkor1702]

Actually, nevermind. It's not worth it

[Kaeliee]

Personaly i am VIP and intend on continuing like that. I have no interest on checking what i need to do this or that, i just want to play. But that is because i don't need to worry about how much i pay...

VIPs can also buy the adventure packs, 32 pt, fvs etc, they even get 500 TPs/month.

I'm fine with my choice of being VIP, especially because i'm paying around 7€/month, which is less than half what i was paying back in the European servers!

I suppose VIP does provide the convenience point in that you don't need to wait for sale of certain adventure packs and etc. But vis-a-vis the Premium option, I do think VIP subscribers are overpaying for that convenience and other benefits. I honestly believe that you can set aside about $50 per year for this game (about $4 per month) and enjoy all it has to offer. Or you can make a one time $50 payment and enjoy 85% of it for a few years. My point is that VIP is too expensive compared to the options available in Premium. VIP players are subsidizing the Premium and the Free players so we appreciate that, but inidivually speaking, it is not a choice that maximizes one's value. If you have a family that plays this game (3+ accounts), it can add up, and although it seems like a terrible waste to purchase GH 3 times on 3 different accounts, it still is the best option to save money, rather than paying $45 per month.

[Hokiewa]

I've paid what 12 bucks a month for 4+ yrs....It's absolutely nothing for me. I get well over 12 bucks a month in entertainment value....it's actually beyond priceless, the forums alone. I've met hundreds of people I geniunely like, dozens that I connect with outside of a game. I've supported a game that I enjoy immensely, while disagreeing with virtually every decision the company has made. Let me clarify that part, I feel that 12 bucks a month is a fair investment in the game. I don't believe grinding TPs and being eternally free is a fair investment in the game.

I may wish things would develop differently, I may wish certain "directions" weren't taken..It's still 12 bucks....I used math proficiently to retire in my early 30's, I don't need to do it now. I don't require some special effort on Turbine's part, other then to keep the game running, to acknowledge that I spend the price of a cheap pizza every month on this game.

Peace.

[MylesMDT]

I may wish things would develop differently, I may wish certain "directions" weren't taken..It's still 12 bucks....I used math proficiently to retire in my early 30's, I don't need to do it now. I don't require some special effort on Turbine's part, other then to keep the game running, to acknowledge that I spend the price of a cheap pizza every month on this game.

Peace.

Bravo! That is exactly how I see it.

I was Beta, Headstart, and VIP. Quit once at level cap of 10, came back. Quit again at level cap of 12, came back. Came back for good now. I have disposable income, and spend it as a Premium player. For the price of a pizza, you can help this poor Nigerian child scam thousands of dollars from American citizens...Oh, wait...wrong informercial.

P2P is a huge help to our community. It, along with VIP subcriptions, keeps it all running, and supported by the developers. Without P2P/F2P, this MMORPG would have died a quiet death on page 3. While a certain percentage of F2P can be a nuisance (until they get bored) this change has been a huge boon to us all.

[Angelican]

Well, as I said, I decided to stay F2P and I'm loving it so far. I bought the content/options/upgrades that I want and am enjoying the game without worrying about a future interruption in playing due to being short money.

End of story.

The End.

:p

[MylesMDT]

Well, as I said, I decided to stay F2P and I'm loving it so far. I bought the content/options/upgrades that I want and am enjoying the game without worrying about a future interruption in playing due to being short money.

End of story.

The End.

:p

Ah, but that's the rub - you are no longer F2P - you are a paying customer (or Premium Player in Turbine-speak), and I say it's a good deal. You must have thought so, too, when you bought content.

Micro-transactions are the future, and it pays better than a subscription model plan. I have spent more on DDO in 6 months than I ever did as a subscriber. It works. It's worth it, to me, to own that content/packages of goodies.

[Ratnix]

Ah, but that's the rub - you are no longer F2P - you are a paying customer (or Premium Player in Turbine-speak), and I say it's a good deal. You must have thought so, too, when you bought content.

Micro-transactions are the future, and it pays better than a subscription model plan. I have spent more on DDO in 6 months than I ever did as a subscriber. It works. It's worth it, to me, to own that content/packages of goodies.

It is definitely the direction I see more games going and it will make them plenty of money out of it.

I have played a few muds over the years. One of them I "donated" over $300 for a handful of items over a 3 year period. Another one I spent like $1200 on "Credits" used to gain more skills and buy items. Why? Because it was there to do.

It is much easier for people to spend a couple of dollars here and there, in their mind, than it is for them to spend a monthly payment.

Some people, and I used to be one of them, feel that if they are paying a monthly payment then they need to get the most play time out of their payment. But when they just buy stuff here and there they don't feel that way and usually spend more money than they would if they paid monthly.