Guild Renown Decay Formula

[Galinar]

Does anyone know what the formula is for Guild renown Decay? Is the formula account based or character based?

[Cratecrusher]

Afaik it only applies after lvl 25 and is account-based.

[Phax]

DDO Wiki - Decay Formula (http://ddowiki.com/page/Guild_Renown?section=6#Guild_renown_decay_formula)

[Deathseeker]

Dev linking the DDOWiki, gotta love it!

So am I understanding it right...find the multiplier for your guild level and multiply by the number of accounts (soon to be "active" accounts in U7), and that's your decay rate?

So a level 47 guild decays at 77 renown per account? Or am I completely misreading the wiki?

[Octopusfluff]

That section is extremely poorly written, and somewhat meandering. Assuming it isn't leaving anything out, 77.867250 would be the level-based multiplier, and then for your accounts, you add ten.

So if your level 47 guild had, say, 50 unique accounts in it, this document would suggest 77.867250 * 60, for a decay of 4672.035.

Most likely, dropping fractions, for a final decay of 4672.

[mudfud]

DDO Wiki - Decay Formula (http://ddowiki.com/page/Guild_Renown?section=6#Guild_renown_decay_formula)

Since your linking other sites for your game development. Does that mean DDO is going to soon be outsourced?

[Phax]

Since your linking other sites for your game development. Does that mean DDO is going to soon be outsourced?

Fansites that document game mechanics are very common and I see no problem linking to them when they contain useful information, as the players do all the time.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

DDO Wiki - Decay Formula (http://ddowiki.com/page/Guild_Renown?section=6#Guild_renown_decay_formula)


That decay sure gets evil at high levels

[Schmoe]

Even the devs tell you to RTFM.

:D

[mudfud]

Fansites that document game mechanics are very common and I see no problem linking to them when they contain useful information, as the players do all the time.


Your not on a player account your on a develop account there is a BIG difference.

Fansites are common with things like that sure but when a developer links something like that to me it implies that the people who work on the game are not as knowledgable as they should be.

BTW thanks for the neg reps, I've been getting way too many pos reps lately and i like seeing a bit of red mixed in with the greens.

[Junts]

Your not on a player account your on a develop account there is a BIG difference.

Fansites are common with things like that sure but when a developer links something like that to me it implies that the people who work on the game are not as knowledgable as they should be.

BTW thanks for the neg reps, I've been getting way too many pos reps lately and i like seeing a bit of red mixed in with the greens.


No, it implies that the developers are aware that the players have derived information on the game that isn't publically released, and that they see no reason to repost an extensive explaination of mathematics that's already accurately portrayed on the web, since its both extra work and this allows them to throw kudos to the players/website in question.

Your red dots are well deserved. And, here, sir, have another!

[mudfud]

No, it implies that the developers are aware that the players have derived information on the game that isn't publically released, and that they see no reason to repost an extensive explaination of mathematics that's already accurately portrayed on the web, since its both extra work and this allows them to throw kudos to the players/website in question.

Your red dots are well deserved. And, here, sir, have another!

Thats what it implies to you. Not to me. And if we go with your way that means there should be no point for tooltips or hints ingame. Since they are listed elsewhere on other sites. Or heck even the official DDO compendium. Why put things there when 'other' sites can do it instead.
And DEV's have publicly released the info multiple times in multiple threads before. dev tracker is your friend.

Like I said I don't mind red dots like others. I actually like Red and wish I got many many more.

[Schmoe]

Thats what it implies to you. Not to me. And if we go with your way that means there should be no point for tooltips or hints ingame. Since they are listed elsewhere on other sites. Or heck even the official DDO compendium. Why put things there when 'other' sites can do it instead.
And DEV's have publicly released the info multiple times in multiple threads before. dev tracker is your friend.

Like I said I don't mind red dots like others. I actually like Red and wish I got many many more.

If they have, as you said, released that info multiple times, why should they wast time re-posting it again?

Dev tracker is your friend.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Fansites that document game mechanics are very common and I see no problem linking to them when they contain useful information, as the players do all the time.

Phax, thank you for being one of the devs that continues to come in to the forums and contribute. We know that you do this on your own and that it isn't part of your job description and we very much apprecaite it. I think its also great that you are looking at the wiki and refer to it when appropriate. It's a great resource, and your referal helps others see the value in the wiki.


Your not on a player account your on a develop account there is a BIG difference.

Fansites are common with things like that sure but when a developer links something like that to me it implies that the people who work on the game are not as knowledgable as they should be.

BTW thanks for the neg reps, I've been getting way too many pos reps lately and i like seeing a bit of red mixed in with the greens.

Why would he make a long post duplicating what is already published in a public forum? It was pretty wise to link to the wiki.

And since you enjoy it, I'll add to your neg rep for this post. You are behaving in a trollish way and insulting a dev who is just trying to help and provided the information requested with his link.

[mudfud]

Phax, thank you for being one of the devs that continues to come in to the forums and contribute. We know that you do this on your own and that it isn't part of your job description and we very much apprecaite it. I think its also great that you are looking at the wiki and refer to it when appropriate. It's a great resource, and your referal helps others see the value in the wiki.



Why would he make a long post duplicating what is already published in a public forum? It was pretty wise to link to the wiki.

And since you enjoy it, I'll add to your neg rep for this post. You are behaving in a trollish way and insulting a dev who is just trying to help and provided the information requested with his link.


If they have, as you said, released that info multiple times, why should they wast time re-posting it again?

Dev tracker is your friend.

Because all he had to do was link DEV posts instead of outside sources.

[smatt]

Your not on a player account your on a develop account there is a BIG difference.

Fansites are common with things like that sure but when a developer links something like that to me it implies that the people who work on the game are not as knowledgable as they should be.

BTW thanks for the neg reps, I've been getting way too many pos reps lately and i like seeing a bit of red mixed in with the greens.


:rolleyes:

Hmm, a Dev pointing players to the DDO-Wiki... Seems like a relyl good idea to me.. The Dev is not only acknowledging that players do work things out for themselves, and can be fairly accurate.. But also ENCOURAGING players to go read the Wiki and LEARN something more about the game, as well as maybe teachign them the usefulness of the Wiki and the vast amount of game info that's there...

Have another red dot for being arrogant and clueless.

[mudfud]

:rolleyes:

Hmm, a Dev pointing players to the DDO-Wiki... Seems like a relyl good idea to me.. The Dev is not only acknowledging that players do work things out for themselves, and can be fairly accurate.. But also ENCOURAGING players to go read the Wiki and LEARN something more about the game, as well as maybe teachign them the usefulness of the Wiki and the vast amount of game info that's there...

Have another red dot for being arrogant and clueless.


If wanting a DEV to not link to outside places and WANTING them to post on there own forum/compendium is arrogant and clueless then I will be that. They can encourage fansites without telling them to go to them to find 'official' explanations.


You are behaving in a trollish way and insulting a dev who is just trying to help and provided the information requested with his link.
I've always liked your posts but saying I am insulting a dev when I asked a question it seems like you the one who is insulting.

[Eladiun]

Thats what it implies to you. Not to me. And if we go with your way that means there should be no point for tooltips or hints ingame. Since they are listed elsewhere on other sites. Or heck even the official DDO compendium. Why put things there when 'other' sites can do it instead.
And DEV's have publicly released the info multiple times in multiple threads before. dev tracker is your friend.

Like I said I don't mind red dots like others. I actually like Red and wish I got many many more.

When I recharge I have a red dot for you... your suggestion is that Phax should waste his time retyping information that is readily available elsewhere is not only dumb but rude and condescending. Post like this are why devs don't post or in the proper vernacular...

This is why we can't have nice things.

[mudfud]

When I recharge I have a red dot for you... your suggestion is that Phax should waste his time retyping information that is readily available elsewhere is not only dumb but rude and condescending. Post like this are why devs don't post or in the proper vernacular...

This is why we can't have nice things.

I never once stated he should re-post anything. And to whomever SAID they should I agree it is dumb, rude and condescending. He could have easily linked a DEV post that is READILY AVAILABLE where it already is stated.

If posts like this are why they don't post in the proper vernacular then that is how it should be.

[Fomori]

DDO Wiki - Decay Formula (http://ddowiki.com/page/Guild_Renown?section=6#Guild_renown_decay_formula)
Thank you sir for linking the hard Phax in this case. Much better than the speculation that could have followed. ;)

[Fomori]

I never once stated he should re-post anything. And to whomever SAID they should I agree it is dumb, rude and condescending. He could have easily linked a DEV post that is READILY AVAILABLE where it already is stated.

If posts like this are why they don't post in the proper vernacular then that is how it should be.
Are you a bureaucrat or accountant by chance?

Your tone in the replies so far makes it seem that you would hound someone if they didnt get the official stamp on their form T-237 which needs to be filled out in triplicate before I can give you form N-117, which is the official stamp requisition form, that needs to have authorization from the form Marshall and also attached with form T-237. I am sorry but those are the rules and you were issued a copy of the Regulations manual... you were not, well then I'd be happy to give you one, all I need is your T-237 form please...

[Eladiun]

I never once stated he should re-post anything. And to whomever SAID they should I agree it is dumb, rude and condescending. He could have easily linked a DEV post that is READILY AVAILABLE where it already is stated.

If posts like this are why they don't post in the proper vernacular then that is how it should be.

I haven't seen you post a link to this readily available DEV post you would have preferred that he use.

[mudfud]

I haven't seen you post a link to this readily available DEV post you would have preferred that he use.

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know I was required to do YOUR searching for you.

But if you want a link here (http://forums.ddo.com/turbine_tracker.php?tracker=devtracker) and get to searching it. If you want I can make it easier and even tell who the Dev who posted it was, but I'm sure when you search that you will see exactly who. I'll give you a hint, they 'MIGHT' have even posted in this thread.

[Eladiun]

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know I was required to do YOUR searching for you.

But if you want a link here (http://forums.ddo.com/turbine_tracker.php?tracker=devtracker) and get to searching it. If you want I can make it easier and even tell who the Dev who posted it was, but I'm sure when you search that you will see exactly who. I'll give you a hint, they 'MIGHT' have even posted in this thread.

Not required no but you seem to believe...

a. said post exists
b. Phax should be required to search for you

Hmmm... have you realized yet that it's about as easy to find a post on these forums as finding a needle in a haystack. That even when you do find it answers are spread across multiple posts and strewn with garbage in between. Linking to a clear, concise, summarized Wiki post is a much better solution. Still recharging...

[mudfud]

Not required no but you seem to believe...

a. said post exists
b. Phax should be required to search for you

Hmmm... have you realized yet that it's about as easy to find a post on these forums as finding a needle in a haystack. That even when you do find it answers are spread across multiple posts and strewn with garbage in between. Linking to a clear, concise, summarized Wiki post is a much better solution. Still recharging...

Definately easier because a needle in a haystack is hard to find. That doesn't make it right to me though when the answer is here already 'officially' posted by a dev that took the time to already state what it was.
Recharge away. I'd suggest you hurry while I still have some green left.

[Vanshilar]

That section is extremely poorly written, and somewhat meandering. Assuming it isn't leaving anything out, 77.867250 would be the level-based multiplier, and then for your accounts, you add ten.

So if your level 47 guild had, say, 50 unique accounts in it, this document would suggest 77.867250 * 60, for a decay of 4672.035.

Most likely, dropping fractions, for a final decay of 4672.


That decay sure gets evil at high levels

Actually it looks like the section on renown decay is copied from my post about it here (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3175327&postcount=3) (which is fine -- I don't mind), but didn't crop out the side commentary and leave "just the facts". It was originally written on 8/28 when I got some decay data for level 61, and noticed the large jump in going from level 60 to 61, which also occurred at going from level 40 to 41, and from there, figured out the formula. So above that is currently extrapolation, although I should note that thus far the formula is verified up to level 72. I think at level 80 to 81 is when the formula is really validated, i.e. whether or not the actual decay matches the formula. So yeah, it gets really high at the high levels -- as I said in my post, decay's basically related to (level)^5 across the whole spectrum of guild renown decay -- and consider that renown needed for guild level is based on (level)^3, and character experience is (roughly) based on (level)^2.

There's a small amount of rounding that I haven't quite figured out yet -- the actual observed decay is slightly lower than what's given by 1-2 renown. Otherwise though the formula thus far up to level 72 is accurate.


No, it implies that the developers are aware that the players have derived information on the game that isn't publically released, and that they see no reason to repost an extensive explaination of mathematics that's already accurately portrayed on the web, since its both extra work and this allows them to throw kudos to the players/website in question.

Well it's also a way to save time -- no need to rehash already known info and retype out the stuff when you can just link to it. It's also a way to avoid culpability -- see, the info is presented by players so there's no "official" word on if it's accurate or not, but on the other hand, it is useful information. Because, you know, the compendium is the "official" word and is accurate and all that. :eek:

[mudfud]

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Nice post, nice link to your nice post. +1 while I still have some. :rolleyes:

[Tolero]

Try this again, sans the flaming each other.