Solo Epic AS IF!

[Amber-Dawnn]

On people that say the solo epic quests I lasted 4 secs didn't even see one enemy so I died to an invisible thing.

Note: My title is not "My thoughts" for a reason.

[rest]

Uhhhh... what?

[Merlocke]

Knowing the quest and your enemies goes a long way.

[valorik]

l o l

[Zombiekenny]

I am confused.
What quest in the game is it possible to die in 4 seconds in?

[CaptainCameo]

It was probably an archer with their Infinite Spot. I honestly can't see people soloing an epic quest either.

Keep in mind, that soloing a quest doesn't mean you take a hireling or two with you. It means you do it COMPLETELY ALONE

Some spellcasters can sneak past with invisibility and displacement and such, but there doesn't seem to be a way to actually fight through a whole quest without a party.

[Ghoste]

On people that say the solo epic quests I lasted 4 secs didn't even see one enemy so I died to an invisible thing.

Note: My title is not "My thoughts" for a reason.
Epic Fail?

You may think your post is not merely opinion, but that merely shows how great the gap between your opinion and reality. This goes for real life too, it's sick how many people form unshakable opinions based off of a little anecdotal evidence.

[CaptainCameo]

I am confused.
What quest in the game is it possible to die in 4 seconds in?

Just assume she was exaggerating the time frame. 4 seconds = very quickly

Just for kicks, I took my new lvl 20 rogue into an epic black loch to see how royally screwed I would be. My hireling died in less than 20 seconds and I barely made it out alive.

-9 Stabilized!

1 Run like hell to the exit!

[CaptainCameo]

You may think your post is not merely opinion, but that merely shows how great the gap between your opinion and reality. This goes for real life too, it's sick how many people form unshakable opinions based off of a little anecdotal evidence.

I'm pretty sure it's virtually impossible. You can post a video to prove me wrong if you like.
Remember: No hireling. That's the real way to solo stuff.

[TFPAQ]

I'm pretty sure it's virtually impossible. You can post a video to prove me wrong if you like.
Remember: No hireling. That's the real way to solo stuff.

Remember: Capt here is calling out Ghoste. I'm pretty sure he (Ghoste) hasn't ever soloed any quest in this game ... let alone made a video ...

... this made my day (sadly ...)

[Diyon]

I'm pretty sure it's virtually impossible. You can post a video to prove me wrong if you like.
Remember: No hireling. That's the real way to solo stuff.

I don't have a video but I know one example for certain (provided I know others can too but this is just a good example): Epic Claw of Vulkoor

-You have to kill ONE monster to get through the quest. Take maladroit bonebreaking weapon and take him down.
-You can sneak/invisible past EVERYTHING else. Sometimes you have to trick some monster into moving, but its one of the ways you are supposed be able to complete the quest: Not being spotted.

[Angelus_dead]

Remember: No hireling. That's the real way to solo stuff.
What gives you that idea?

[MrCow]

I don't have a video but I know one example for certain (provided I know others can too but this is just a good example): Epic Claw of Vulkoor

Video example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVPnErk1C4o) to back up your claim.

[Diyon]

Video example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVPnErk1C4o) to back up your claim.

Thanks MrCow!
+1

[Fomori]

I'm pretty sure it's virtually impossible. You can post a video to prove me wrong if you like.
Remember: No hireling. That's the real way to solo stuff.
Its all dependent on how much resources you are willing to throw into the equation. You are going to need 4 things; intimate knowledge of the quest, great gear, great resources stockpiled (mana pots and scrolls), and the time to spend.

There are characters and players out there with all of the above, Its not impossible...

I found a good quote on that btw:

If someone says "That's Impossible", you should understand it as: "According to my very limited experience and narrow understanding of reality, that it's very unlikely."

[CaptainCameo]

What gives you that idea?

Think of hirelings as players. Not great players but players none the less.
If you were able to amass a great deal of gold scroll hirelings, then it might be possible to "solo" and epic quest on your own.
But then you wouldn't have soloed the quest would you? You would have depended heavily on those hirelings, even if you were just using them as a distraction while you did all the work.
Hence, you didn't solo the quest. You had help. AI help, but still help.

[Ciaran]

What gives you that idea?

I'm assuming the fact that technically, and using the strictest definition of the word, "solo" means doing something completely alone (unaccompanied) with nobody to assist you in any way, shape or form.

I used a cleric hireling to make life easier while I ran WizKing and OOB. I personally wouldn't strictly define that as "soloing" since it wasn't just me completing the quest using my own ability to heal, fight, etc.

[Sequell]

There are plenty of people that are able to solo epic quests.

Don't get your feelings hurt if you aren't able to do it. It is mainly about play style as well as gear and player skill. If you are lacking in any of those areas you are going to wipe in a hurry all by yourself.

[TFPAQ]

Ghoste and Mr. Cow could go "solo" a couple epics "together" and make the videos ...

I've done claw twice (I'm a follower of Mr. Cow's videos, I let him do the heavy lifting then see if I'm up to it, lol) - only have one "problematic" area.

To me the more impressive stuff is some of the quests that Ghoste and Mr. C have pulled off that require "teaming", etc. Now on Epic that would be something!

[Angelus_dead]

I'm assuming the fact that technically, and using the strictest definition of the word, "solo" means doing something completely alone (unaccompanied) with nobody to assist you in any way, shape or form.
To use that interpretation would lead to the opposite of your conclusion.

To interpret solo as meaning "completely alone" would mean that hirelings are irrelevant, because hirelings are not people. If one player by himself is alone, then summoning a hireling means you are still alone. This is pretty obvious, if you compare it to the possibility of being in a single-player game.

[rest]

I <3 6 minute solo Epic Claw runs. I do em every day.

[TFPAQ]

Think of hirelings as players. Not great players but players none the less.
If you were able to amass a great deal of gold scroll hirelings, then it might be possible to "solo" and epic quest on your own.
But then you wouldn't have soloed the quest would you? You would have depended heavily on those hirelings, even if you were just using them as a distraction while you did all the work.
Hence, you didn't solo the quest. You had help. AI help, but still help.

In this game "AI help" is an oxymoron ...

[Angelus_dead]

Think of hirelings as players. Not great players but players none the less.
No, I won't think of hirelings as players, because hirelings are not players.


But then you wouldn't have soloed the quest would you? You would have depended heavily on those hirelings, even if you were just using them as a distraction while you did all the work.
Hence, you didn't solo the quest. You had help. AI help, but still help.
That is not logical. Assuming a false premise understandably leads to a false conclusion.

[CaptainCameo]

Its all dependent on how much resources you are willing to throw into the equation. You are going to need 4 things; intimate knowledge of the quest, great gear, great resources stockpiled (mana pots and scrolls), and the time to spend.

There are characters and players out there with all of the above, Its not impossible...

I found a good quote on that btw:

If someone says "That's Impossible", you should understand it as: "According to my very limited experience and narrow understanding of reality, that it's very unlikely."

I like that quote. I did say virtually impossible though. Not 100% impossible.

+1 to Mr. Cow and Diyon for proving me wrong and showing me something awesome.

[Ciaran]

To use that interpretation would lead to the opposite of your conclusion.

To interpret solo as meaning "completely alone" would mean that hirelings are irrelevant, because hirelings are not people. If one player by himself is alone, then summoning a hireling means you are still alone. This is pretty obvious, if you compare it to the possibility of being in a single-player game.

You are correct in that you are the only living person currently in that instance. That’s a rather literal definition of soloing though.

Using a hireling in a quest means that there is another presence that is (usually) assisting you. When the AI is spamming heals on you as you fight, therefore removing the need for you to stop combat and heal yourself, can you really consider that “soloing”? That presence, human controlled or not is assisting you in completing the quest.

I suppose you could consider the hireling just another resource that you, the player are using. It might be tempting to classify potions, wands and scrolls in the same way, but that would be a mistake. None of those things have AI that automatically heal you when you lose HP. You can set a hireling to be active, to follow you and then just let the AI take over. This has mixed results but that’s beside the point.

In single player games, generally when you say you “soloed” the game, that means that you didn’t use any of the computer controlled companions. People have soloed Dragon Age, NWN without using companions. Using companions, even though they aren’t controlled by other living human beings isn’t considered soloing – your character had assistance from other AI controlled characters, which makes the encounters easier.

[sephiroth1084]

I am confused.
What quest in the game is it possible to die in 4 seconds in?
Hordo died about 4 seconds after buffs completed in Hound a while back. Finished buffing, tank ran in, the rest of us started moving around to the right, and that first reaver that spawns ran over to Hordo and killed him. /squish :D

[Phidius]

You are correct in that you are the only living person currently in that instance. That’s a rather literal definition of soloing though...


...your character had assistance from other AI controlled characters, which makes the encounters easier.

Here's how I solo epic quests... I sit back in my chair, close my eyes, and imagine all those inflated mobs dropping like flies. Then I imagine the beautiful purple glow as I get my Epic token (or fragments, depending on which one I'm soloing).

Sometimes I get a scroll/shard/seal, then I imagine myself upgrading my gear.

And I (unlike so many posers) do it completely without any artificial help (sometimes I do naked runs, but that's a different story)!

Go me!

[Chai]

I'm pretty sure it's virtually impossible. You can post a video to prove me wrong if you like.
Remember: No hireling. That's the real way to solo stuff.

You do understand that casters have been soloing epics with no hirelings for a while now right? This isnt some new thing that just happened. Hirelings are actually more of a burden than any kind of help.

[Ciaran]

Here's how I solo epic quests... I sit back in my chair, close my eyes, and imagine all those inflated mobs dropping like flies. Then I imagine the beautiful purple glow as I get my Epic token (or fragments, depending on which one I'm soloing).

Sometimes I get a scroll/shard/seal, then I imagine myself upgrading my gear.

And I (unlike so many posers) do it completely without any artificial help (sometimes I do naked runs, but that's a different story)!

Go me!

Behold the power of visualization!

Heh, I'm not taking anything away from anybody who solos epic content, with or without a hireling it's impressive!

In fact, I think the argument could be made that carrying yourself AND a hireling through a quest is more of an accomplishment than just carrying yourself, their AI can be THAT bad! :D

[Quikster]

Not only have epic quests been soloed, but epic raids have been solo'd as well :)

Sorry OP, all it means is you need a lot more gear, experience, and skill.

[xxScoobyDooxx]

On people that say the solo epic quests I lasted 4 secs didn't even see one enemy so I died to an invisible thing.

Note: My title is not "My thoughts" for a reason.

This thread should be moved to the the Achievements section

:)

[Diyon]

Noting, I consider using hirelings to not be solo'ing, but looking at some of the arguments for this, you have an AI helping you, etc. So I can't use summons and solo? Its an AI presence that's helping me complete the quest.

(under the arguments so far using a summon= not solo'ing)

[fuzzy1guy]

Using a hireling is not solo.


That said. It's possible to solo most of the epic quests out there so far. With a couple exceptions. And even those could be done if you threw enough resources into your attempt and had a little luck on your side.

Are they EASY to solo? No way. Can every character build do it? NO WAY!

But most of them can be done solo. And with minimal resource usage.

casters (arcane or divine) with some melee ability and the right gear can solo thru almost anything. with enough time and resources.

So far on a sorc (non warforged) i've personally managed to solo thru von 1, 2, 3, bigtop, snitch (crateos is real nasty), claw of vulkoor, the black loch, and made a damm good attempt at several other epics solo.


It can be done. It's a serious challenge and major investment in resources and equipment. But it can be done. And you can fail in about .1 second pretty easy too.

[moops]

Just practice OP. . .Run the quests on a lower difficulty and learn them inside out. If you are a caster with the right gear, you can solo many Epics without any resources. Divine it is a little bit harder.

[ColinQ]

Not only have epic quests been soloed, but epic raids have been solo'd as well :)


How do you solo epic von?

[Angelus_dead]

You are correct in that you are the only living person currently in that instance. That’s a rather literal definition of soloing though.
You are the one who said you were using the "technically" and "strictest" definitions.


can you really consider that “soloing”?
Obviously yes.


I suppose you could consider the hireling just another resource that you, the player are using. It might be tempting to classify potions, wands and scrolls in the same way, but that would be a mistake.
That is the opposite of the truth.

You are fighting against both the precise technical definition of "solo" and the practical useful definition. When someone in a multiplayer game talks about whether someone can defeat a challenge "solo" or not, what they're asking is if you need to recruit other people to help you get through it, or if it can be done by one person. To deny "solo" from applying in that situation means you are reducing the descriptive capability of language.

[Diyon]

How do you solo epic von?

Well I suppose you MIGHT be able to have everyone else drop and you go into von6 solo, manually set up each djinni and then strategically firewall each base with additional damage added to make sure its timed right. Then some how make sure you finish it in an hour. (not sure whether FW will affect the pillars and whatnot, if anything, substitute ice storm once its upgraded)

That's pure speculation, there could be a number of things I missed there.

[khaldan]

Well I suppose you MIGHT be able to have everyone else drop and you go into von6 solo, manually set up each djinni and then strategically firewall each base with additional damage added to make sure its timed right. Then some how make sure you finish it in an hour. (not sure whether FW will affect the pillars and whatnot, if anything, substitute ice storm once its upgraded)

That's pure speculation, there could be a number of things I missed there.

The old way of doing it was standing between either 1st and 2nd or 2nd and 3rd, shooting the pillars to almost dead, then manyshot them down. No clue how to do it on epic with all the fun that epic implies, though.

[CaptainCameo]

Noting, I consider using hirelings to not be solo'ing, but looking at some of the arguments for this, you have an AI helping you, etc. So I can't use summons and solo? Its an AI presence that's helping me complete the quest.

(under the arguments so far using a summon= not solo'ing)

Summoning is different than hirelings because it's a skill you can use. Although using one would almost be a waste. I saw a hezrou die in only a few seconds.
Another reason they don't count is that they can't be told what to do. Hirelings can, although they don't always listen.

[Srozbun]

Well I suppose you MIGHT be able to have everyone else drop and you go into von6 solo, manually set up each djinni and then strategically firewall each base with additional damage added to make sure its timed right. Then some how make sure you finish it in an hour. (not sure whether FW will affect the pillars and whatnot, if anything, substitute ice storm once its upgraded)

That's pure speculation, there could be a number of things I missed there.

The pillars are immune to fire. I heard ice storm is not getting upgraded after all (someone confirm this?) Even if they did work on the pillars by the time you run to another one you will be out of range and your wall/storm will disappear. I'm sure I missed some things too.

[kernal42]

Summoning is different than hirelings because it's a skill you can use. Although using one would almost be a waste. I saw a hezrou die in only a few seconds.
Another reason they don't count is that they can't be told what to do. Hirelings can, although they don't always listen.

Hirelings are just a resource. You buy them with plat you've earned, and then you use that resource in-game if you need the help.

Running through a quest with no other players, but with a hireling, is unambiguously synonymous with running the quest solo.

You can also solo a quest while using 500 store-pots to power your way through. Neither is as impressive as running the quest with no hireling and with no store pots, but all three scenarios are soloing.

-Kernal

[Mr_Tank]

How do you solo epic von?
I think they are talking abut EDQ.

[Diyon]

The pillars are immune to fire. I heard ice storm is not getting upgraded after all (someone confirm this?) Even if they did work on the pillars by the time you run to another one you will be out of range and your wall/storm will disappear. I'm sure I missed some things too.

The change to ice storm was delayed not axed completely. However, I wasn't considering a ranged issue with the AoE disappearing (haven't played much with casters). I also don't know how fast this would need to be, but maybe some prepping, and then really fast running could pull it off. idk lol

[ColinQ]

I think they are talking abut EDQ.

He said epic raids, which implies more than one


ya..just nitpicking

[Calebro]

He said epic raids, which implies more than one


ya..just nitpicking

Reaver was epic for all of a few hours or something.
I'm sure that's all it would have taken to solo epic Reaver.

[Sethasoigh]

to the OP, here is one vid and one post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grYkWKL-CRE

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=238096

It's doable just take some practice :)

[Ciaran]

You are the one who said you were using the "technically" and "strictest" definitions.

Actually, I said that I was assuming that the strictest and most technical definitions were being used by the poster you responded to initially.


You are fighting against both the precise technical definition of "solo" and the practical useful definition. When someone in a multiplayer game talks about whether someone can defeat a challenge "solo" or not, what they're asking is if you need to recruit other people to help you get through it, or if it can be done by one person. To deny "solo" from applying in that situation means you are reducing the descriptive capability of language.

I agree it's splitting hairs. If summons are allowed to be used and still considered soloing, then I don't see why hirelings should matter either. I guess it boils down to "levels" of soloing. If you solo without using a hireling, perhaps the accomplishment is greater than if you use a hireling. But it is still soloing.

A question posed by somebody else in this thread made me reconsider my stance on the use of AI.

[Ghoste]

Interesting seeing other people's methods. I of course have a very sneaky approach to soloing epics that works well for me. Processing and uploading a video soon for Epic Claw of the Vulkoor. 0 potions, 0 hirelings, 0 deaths, 2 very easy fights, 3 high level chests (1 epic) and possibly 2 more if I feel like fighting for them.

[Ghoste]

Actually, I said that I was assuming that the strictest and most technical definitions were being used by the poster you responded to initially.



I agree it's splitting hairs. If summons are allowed to be used and still considered soloing, then I don't see why hirelings should matter either. I guess it boils down to "levels" of soloing. If you solo without using a hireling, perhaps the accomplishment is greater than if you use a hireling. But it is still soloing.

A question posed by somebody else in this thread made me reconsider my stance on the use of AI.
Permadeathers can tell you all about varying levels of playstyle. ;)

What it boils down to is, whatever you call it, whatever your semantics, hirelings do make it a teensy bit easier.

[Junts]

It was probably an archer with their Infinite Spot. I honestly can't see people soloing an epic quest either.

Keep in mind, that soloing a quest doesn't mean you take a hireling or two with you. It means you do it COMPLETELY ALONE

Some spellcasters can sneak past with invisibility and displacement and such, but there doesn't seem to be a way to actually fight through a whole quest without a party.

If you wish and play on Ghallanda, I will solo any one of 4 or 5 different epic quests for you, and in only one of them will I even use a hireling for any purpose (hitting a trapped lever).

And yes, in most of them I will kill a lot of ****.

[cpito]

If you wish and play on Ghallanda, I will solo any one of 4 or 5 different epic quests for you, and in only one of them will I even use a hireling for any purpose (hitting a trapped lever).

And yes, in most of them I will kill a lot of ****.

He admitted his mistake in post 24:


I did say virtually impossible though. Not 100% impossible.

+1 to Mr. Cow and Diyon for proving me wrong and showing me something awesome.

No need to beat him over the head with it.

[Junts]

He admitted his mistake in post 24:



No need to beat him over the head with it.

I skipped the middle of the thread =)

[AltheaSteelrain]

He admitted his mistake in post 24:

No need to beat him over the head with it.

Where's the dead horse? I haven't stuck my +5 Icy Burst Kit Supreme Beat stick of Greater Horse Bane on it.

joke ^^

[Quikster]

He said epic raids, which implies more than one


ya..just nitpicking

Even if von is soloable, it hasnt been done yet to my knowledge, however the other epic raid has been soloed more than one time, hence epic raids.

Sorry my use of s confused you so much :)

[sirgog]

Even if von is soloable, it hasnt been done yet to my knowledge, however the other epic raid has been soloed more than one time, hence epic raids.

Sorry my use of s confused you so much :)

I doubt any one player can out-DPS Velah's regeneration. I could be wrong, however.

[CaptainCameo]

If you wish and play on Ghallanda, I will solo any one of 4 or 5 different epic quests for you, and in only one of them will I even use a hireling for any purpose (hitting a trapped lever).

And yes, in most of them I will kill a lot of ****.

I totally thought he was offering to run through epics for me lol

[cpito]

Where's the dead horse? I haven't stuck my +5 Icy Burst Kit Supreme Beat stick of Greater Horse Bane on it.

joke ^^

Lol! If you really need to use that thing, you could always head on over to the ranger or pvp forums... lotsa dead horses there! ;)

[ColinQ]

Even if von is soloable, it hasnt been done yet to my knowledge, however the other epic raid has been soloed more than one time, hence epic raids.
Sorry my use of s confused you so much :)

me no speak inglish

[Taldyn]

What gives you that idea?

I usually find your posts vastly informative, but as a fellow vet, A_D...don't you, too, remember the pre-hireling days? :)

I've never used a hireling when soloing anything. It just feels cheap. Just a personal opinion, of course, but after so many years without 'em I can't bring myself to use them.

[Ghoste]

Here`s the link to the fresh new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbJfSt7ar-c

[Inspire]

What quest in the game is it possible to die in 4 seconds in?

The higher the difficulty the better chance you have at dying quickly but to name a few...
Mindsunder
Plane of Night
Twilight Forge
Accursed Ascension
Thrall of the Necromancer

[Quikster]

I doubt any one player can out-DPS Velah's regeneration. I could be wrong, however.

Prolly not when you factor in the need to heal, but who knows. I would think the trickier part is the bases personally.

Three players can take her down for sure, maybe 1 can if he can get to that point.

Of course the three players was pre sos nerf I believe.

[cpito]

I usually find your posts vastly informative, but as a fellow vet, A_D...don't you, too, remember the pre-hireling days? :)

I've never used a hireling when soloing anything. It just feels cheap. Just a personal opinion, of course, but after so many years without 'em I can't bring myself to use them.

Meh, most vets I know use mainly hireling clerics as a resource similar to pots and scrolls. A few buffs in the beginning then park 'em until the next clear spot, summon the hireling from the entrance, heal up, maybe a few dv's then park 'em again, so on and so forth. Rarely have I heard of them being used for actual combat. A couple heals from a hireling is much quicker (and prob'ly cheaper) than quaffing 20 or 30 cs pots. I really don't see where that situation detracts from someone having soloed a quest, he just used smarter, faster resources.

[ColinQ]

Prolly not when you factor in the need to heal, but who knows. I would think the trickier part is the bases personally.

Three players can take her down for sure, maybe 1 can if he can get to that point.

Of course the three players was pre sos nerf I believe.

It was post ESoS Nerf
The caster piked so the dragon was taken down by a Fighter/Barb/Ranger split and a caster spec FvS (24 str, geared with E M Chain/ESOS) in about 30 min

[Junts]

I totally thought he was offering to run through epics for me lol

I would pike someone to demonstrate if it made these threads go away.

I routinely solo epic quests and then invite my guildies to step in for free completions/tokens/seals/etc, or solo everything but a vaguely annoying boss and invite them to kill him for me because it's faster.

In fact, I probably do (and recieve, on my alts) more 6 man epic quests that way than I run legitimately; if we have 6 people, we might as well start a raid.

[Quikster]

It was post ESoS Nerf
The caster piked so the dragon was taken down by a Fighter/Barb/Ranger split and a caster spec FvS (24 str, geared with E M Chain/ESOS) in about 30 min

So if the fighter barb ranger thingie wasnt a gimp, he might have been able to do it himself :)

[ColinQ]

So if the fighter barb ranger thingie wasnt a gimp, he might have been able to do it himself :)

Both of them are gimps
Which is why they went into hiding in some obscure Korean MMO and rarely show up anymore

A side note, the Gimped FvS recently TRed and is stuck on korthos

[PopeJual]

Sometimes if I die in a particularly gimpy way that makes me feel bad about myself, I go and loot a couple of "epic" chests from epic quests without fighting any monsters in order to make myself feel better.

It's not particularly hard, but I can say to myself, "Hey! That was an Epic quest and I just ran in and stole some treasure out from under their noses!" and then I feel better about myself. :)

[Quikster]

Both of them are gimps
Which is why they went into hiding in some obscure Korean MMO and rarely show up anymore

A side note, the Gimped FvS recently TRed and is stuck on korthos

Saw the mage on today.

[ColinQ]

Saw the mage on today.

somone stole my account?!?

[Quikster]

somone stole my account?!?

Excuse me, I meant the Mage, not necessarily the mage in that run :) I dont remember who played what in that it was a post or two ago :p

[ColinQ]

Saw the mage on today.


Excuse me, I meant the Mage, not necessarily the mage in that run :) I dont remember who played what in that it was a post or two ago :p


I think the mage who shall not be named is avoiding my alt to pike in his TR run
I parked my monk for a week so it can pike and he go and get himself swine flu

since we've completely derailed this thread
nudge, nudge (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3336999&postcount=17)

[CaptainCameo]

Here`s the link to the fresh new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbJfSt7ar-c

+1 for actually doing it. It's rare to see people with the follow through to do this.
Does 62 hide and move silently work in every quest because I can get 65 each with a couple of my banked items.

[Quikster]

I think the mage who shall not be named is avoiding my alt to pike in his TR run
I parked my monk for a week so it can pike and he go and get himself swine flu

since we've completely derailed this thread
nudge, nudge (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3336999&postcount=17)

The answer to your first question (the third part of it anywho) is 89/90

the answer to your second, is around 625, but your question is wrong, ill post in that thread a lil more specifically.

[Xeraphim]

To use that interpretation would lead to the opposite of your conclusion.

To interpret solo as meaning "completely alone" would mean that hirelings are irrelevant, because hirelings are not people. If one player by himself is alone, then summoning a hireling means you are still alone. This is pretty obvious, if you compare it to the possibility of being in a single-player game.

Solo being the operative word of the Character in the game world, not the player. I could have 18,000,000 hirelings in a theoretical instance destroying the thing and some of the retards on these forums would say that I was "soloing" said theoretical content.

Solo = Your character is completely alone in the instance. This means Hirelings effectively do not exist. You cannot summon help. You cannot use Summon spells because you would no longer be "solo" in the instance, but instead have a Non Player Character with you, forming a Duo.

Some find this impossible to grasp.

[CaptainCameo]

Solo being the operative word of the Character in the game world, not the player. I could have 18,000,000 hirelings in a theoretical instance destroying the thing and some of the retards on these forums would say that I was "soloing" said theoretical content.

Solo = Your character is completely alone in the instance. This means Hirelings effectively do not exist. You cannot summon help. You cannot use Summon spells because you would no longer be "solo" in the instance, but instead have a Non Player Character with you, forming a Duo.

Some find this impossible to grasp.

This is why I said "without hirelings" to begin with. It is possible to just have a 12 man party with gold seal hirelings, which wouldn't truly be soloing.
I'll give on one hireling cleric being a resource because those pots aren't cheap. That's assuming you use it like that though. Although base on the performance of my hireling on my one venture into the loch, I couldn't imagine it being to helpful in thick melee.

Note: I've never used a gold seal hireling before, so I'm not sure if it's possible to get more than six. I'd bet the bars would clutter up the screen though.

[Diyon]

This is why I said "without hirelings" to begin with. It is possible to just have a 12 man party with gold seal hirelings, which wouldn't truly be soloing.
I'll give on one hireling cleric being a resource because those pots aren't cheap. That's assuming you use it like that though. Although base on the performance of my hireling on my one venture into the loch, I couldn't imagine it being to helpful in thick melee.

Note: I've never used a gold seal hireling before, so I'm not sure if it's possible to get more than six. I'd bet the bars would clutter up the screen though.

Theoretically, you could, if you could get more than 6 people in a party outside of a raid group. Can't summon hirelings in a raid.

[Matuse]

This is me soloing epic VoN4. And yes, entirely solo. No hireling.

Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c25IbqMczYs
Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx7o4UsWDtk

I don't consider hirelings to be solo. Summons can't be ordered around, and they can't use levers or shrines or potions. Any quest that requires you to be in 2 places at once cannot be done solo, it cannot be done with a summon...it can be done with a hireling.

In summary: Suck it, doubters.


Even if von is soloable, it hasnt been done yet to my knowledge,

Epic VoN6 is not soloable. There's absolutely no way that you could take down the 3 djinn and 3 pillars in the time frame given. And then there's the chance of making it vs Velah's regen and her rather large damage output (since you'd also have Claws on you).

[Taldyn]

Meh, most vets I know use mainly hireling clerics as a resource similar to pots and scrolls. A few buffs in the beginning then park 'em until the next clear spot, summon the hireling from the entrance, heal up, maybe a few dv's then park 'em again, so on and so forth. Rarely have I heard of them being used for actual combat. A couple heals from a hireling is much quicker (and prob'ly cheaper) than quaffing 20 or 30 cs pots. I really don't see where that situation detracts from someone having soloed a quest, he just used smarter, faster resources.

I see your point and maybe I'll give it a whirl to save some cash/resources sometime in the future.

The rest of the hireling classes, though? Nope. Let's all be honest here...we've all run into players that might as well have been hirelings (i.e., they help just enough to remind us that we're not actually alone in the quest). To me there's very little difference, aside from the lack of chatter in my headset.

[Gremmlynn]

Some find this impossible to grasp.I occasionally notice that some find the utter truth of some of my opinions impossible to grasp too. Can't figure that one out.

[Zombiekenny]

The higher the difficulty the better chance you have at dying quickly but to name a few...
Mindsunder
Plane of Night
Twilight Forge
Accursed Ascension
Thrall of the Necromancer
Mindsunder you could almost die in 4 seconds on elite, or hard with some builds, but I don't think even going in the front door there is enough DPS to take down your HP to zero if you have anywhere approaching a reasonable amount.
Most you can do in 4 seconds in Plane of Night is jump off I think? Can't think of a way to die in 4 seconds, maybe get fireballed?
Twilight Forge if you run in and try to kill yourself with a pillar as soon as you load you might be able to pull it off
Accursed Ascension if you just jump in water, ok, you can die fast, but realistically?
Ambush is at least 4 seconds in in Thrall, and you should still have over 4 seconds of life.
But basically my point is, without literally trying to die you would be pretty hardpressed to do so. :p

[sephiroth1084]

Mindsunder you could almost die in 4 seconds on elite, or hard with some builds, but I don't think even going in the front door there is enough DPS to take down your HP to zero if you have anywhere approaching a reasonable amount.
Most you can do in 4 seconds in Plane of Night is jump off I think? Can't think of a way to die in 4 seconds, maybe get fireballed?
Twilight Forge if you run in and try to kill yourself with a pillar as soon as you load you might be able to pull it off
Accursed Ascension if you just jump in water, ok, you can die fast, but realistically?
Ambush is at least 4 seconds in in Thrall, and you should still have over 4 seconds of life.
But basically my point is, without literally trying to die you would be pretty hardpressed to do so. :p
Thrall - run down the first hallway on elite without realizing/being prepared for the trap. I've seen whole groups wipe in about 4 seconds when they're running down the hall to the door and someone goes too far.

Twilight Forge - not the Titan Awakes. Again, run down that hallway in the beginning and you're likely going to die real fast. Number one reason I dislike running the first part on elite.

Abbot - spawn, Disintegrate or Telekinesis can kill someone immediately.

No idea how one would die immediately in VoN 6 other than committing suicide.

And like I said, Hordo died in The Hound to that first reaver almost immediately. :D

[sephiroth1084]

I occasionally notice that some find the utter truth of some of my opinions impossible to grasp too. Can't figure that one out.
Stop coating your truths with KY jelly maybe? :rolleyes:

[Purgatory]

von 4 fairly easy to solo on a fvs with out using any pots

[Ghoste]

+1 for actually doing it. It's rare to see people with the follow through to do this.
Does 62 hide and move silently work in every quest because I can get 65 each with a couple of my banked items.
As long as the monsters dont have tremor sense, sense living or blind sight, yes. Although it is possible to sneak past monsters with blind sight, you just have to stay behind them (ie tharashk hounds).