Elite is not the BESTEZ!

[t0r012]

{rant}
Elite is not the bestez, elite is not the only difficulty setting

I am tired of putting up an LFM for normal or hard (I try never run with a group the first time on elite) and then having someone jump in on elite.
I don't know you and quite frankly, I don't trust you to do your job.

Why is it the guy that say "elite is the bestez" or "Elite is the only difficulty I run" always the guy that DINGS 3.2 seconds in to the dungeon?
Every...
....Time

AGGGRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!
{/rant}

Seriously elite has one place a one time Xp bonus. And that bonus is less when you head in and die in 2 seconds. Yahooo a +1 to the random loot table whoopde freakin doo that x of shattermantle + 6 in the chest would have been a x of shattermantle +8.

When I put up an lfm I have the difficulty set for a reason I didn't ask for you to come along to show us how uber elite DING master you can be!

[dkyle]

Indeed. And people really shouldn't enter before the leader anyway, unless told to.

[Faerbaste]

Totally agree with OP, I hate joining an LFM and then finding out that the difficulty or sometimes even the quest itself is not going to be what was advertised, ends up wasteing a lot of time.

[krissonofpark]

Your completely right, this happens to me all the time.

When ever I form a party, clearly stating Normal or Hard, meaning that I have not done the Quest before, so wish to actually stand a chance of completing it and get a chance to see the layout, in case I do wish to come back at Elite at a later date.

But no there is always someone who wants to do Elite and if they are not the first to die, they are why we all died. Making the run a waste of time and us having to start again at either Normal or Hard anyway.

You also notice after getting themselves killed, that they quit the Party and leave the rest to clean up the mess.

[taurean430]

Had someone pull that on me doing Cabal in Gianthold a few days ago. I thought that doing it with a level 10 group was challenge enough on normal for the rest of the party. Of course, someone went in on elite and argued with me about it when I questioned it in party chat.

On my way to the quest: the party, who had jumped inside as level 10 toons in a level 15 quest, died. No surprise there.

/dropgroup
/laugh

[Veileira]

1. I am the party leader
2. The difficulty is gonna be what I say it's gonna be
3. If you have a problem with that, drop group now or we'll drop you

Sometimes you have to be firm with people, is all. :)

It helps that I primarily run with a guild group. We're all noobs but I am slightly less of a noob so my boys listen to me.

[Faerbaste]

Of course, a lot of the time you find that the person who went in on elite against the wishes of the whole group is the kind of person who was on the Student Council and has dated models (hehehe).

[herzkos]

1. I am the party leader
2. The difficulty is gonna be what I say it's gonna be
3. If you have a problem with that, drop group now or we'll drop you

Sometimes you have to be firm with people, is all. :)

It helps that I primarily run with a guild group. We're all noobs but I am slightly less of a noob so my boys listen to me.

This!!!!!

generally i have the difficulty for the quest set in the lfm for a reason.
If you want to annoy me, by all means, open elite when the lfm says normal.
Last time that happened i told the "offender", "the lfm was normal for a reason, if you
want to run elite start your own group".

[t0r012]

Of course, a lot of the time you find that the person who went in on elite against the wishes of the whole group is the kind of person who was on the Student Council and has dated models (hehehe).

lol couldn't have been him , all of turbine servers were down cause he opened the email with pics of kathy.

[FlyingTurtle]

I think a lot of this obsession with Elite difficulty comes from noobs getting through the low/medium levels. When experienced folks run norm/hard difficulty only by solo, it will look like "all Elite all the time" in the PUG scene. From there it somehow makes the crazy leap to "running anything less than Elite is a sure sign of weakness".

[Faerbaste]

lol couldn't have been him , all of turbine servers were down cause he opened the email with pics of kathy.

Oh thats right, I forgot, all of DDO was hacked.

Still, Kathy is a really hot babe, so it was probably worth it.

[Impaqt]

The Leader should be the first one to the quest and should set the difficulty.

If you have people jumping into instances before you're ready to go, break group and reform.

[The10man]

When this happens to me I explain that my LFM stated Normal or hard, thank the group for the conversation, tell them good luck, and bid them adeiu. Then I place another LFM and try again. Most of the time I have 4 people in my group in about 20 seconds and then we just have to replace the offender and roll.

[sirgog]

I hate it when I'm levelling a TR, have made the decision that I'm not touching a particular difficulty of a quest until higher level. Had just this happen last night.

Best way to deal with it: Say something to the effect of 'if you can't even read the LFM, you're clearly not up to Elite'. Makes them /ragequit pretty much every time.

[biggin]

The best part is the arguement. I had put up a Stormcleave, "norm for first time xp bonus" right in the LFM, then of course someone joins and wants to argue with me about why I want to do it on Norm. Makes no sense whatsoever.

[Lithic]

I hate it when I'm levelling a TR, have made the decision that I'm not touching a particular difficulty of a quest until higher level. Had just this happen last night.

Best way to deal with it: Say something to the effect of 'if you can't even read the LFM, you're clearly not up to Elite'. Makes them /ragequit pretty much every time.

Happened to me the same way a couple times. Almost worse is when someone joins group while in progress, they get into the quest 15 seconds before it finished (gaining full exp), and then start whining about doing hard or elite next because normal was so easy.

[MeliCat]

running WW norm from 4->6 seems to be a fast way to level. i can solo it but am happy to have pugs. will just run over and over and don't care who joins or drops.

but you get the 'in on hard?'. 'no. i put the lfm for normal' 'but we can do hard?' 'i don't want to do hard'

there are some really pushy sods in this game. if someone else has the star, i go along with whatever (grateful to not have the star). if i have the star, *don't* argue with me.

is it just the children in the harbour? usually by the vale i haven't heard this kind of silly pushiness from people in a pug. it tends to be more negotiated and checked with everyone by then.

[Resilian]

While I agree with you..there is one thing I do disagree with.




Seriously elite has one place a one time Xp bonus.!

Not true at all. It's best to farm some quests on elite like Shadow Crypt for the biggest exp possible..especially as a TR. That said..there are also some quests where its an "Elite for the bonus" quest only.

[Feylina]

Not true at all. It's best to farm some quests on elite like Shadow Crypt for the biggest exp possible..especially as a TR. That said..there are also some quests where its an "Elite for the bonus" quest only.

*cough*pit*cough*

i feel for you with the pug thing. one of the main reasons i started soloing 1 - 10 (or 4-10 if vetting)

elite xp is nice but i solo norm 5 ish times then hard and sometimes elite. depending on how the added difficulty affects my xp / min. Elite xp is only good if the xp return per minute is good. if it sux you are better off running something else on normal :P.

[Lithic]

While I agree with you..there is one thing I do disagree with.



Not true at all. It's best to farm some quests on elite like Shadow Crypt for the biggest exp possible..especially as a TR. That said..there are also some quests where its an "Elite for the bonus" quest only.


Thats pretty much the exception that proves the rule though. Very few quests are worth farming on elite unfortunately. Frankly the reason I farm anything else on elite is more about pushing the exp later, than getting more exp for the run (for example, I run shadowknight elite at lvl 11 as its a lvl 10 quest on elite) as usually the extra 10% or so exp you get from elite is either ruined by the -10% death penalty that happens much more easily, or by the quest taking 20% or more longer than normal.

[karnokvolrath]

The funy part is the groups that jump in on elite w/o saying anything when the LFM clearly said normal are ALWAYS the one that some guyu dies 3.2 seconds into.

With DS i try to short man everything then get guildies for elite.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Your totally right OP...and it's annoying.

I find in my case the ONLY time I am looking to do a quest on ELITE is with a group because I usually solo everything on NORMAL/HARD.

[FluffyCalico]

Whats worse is when people are running causal and had nothing about it in the lfm. Who wants to wait for a group to fill to run causal anything. Also if you are half done say so don't put up a lfm that doesnt say started when you have been in there for an hr wiped and are rebuilding the group without resetting the quest.

Yes some people run quests for xp.

[HalfOrcBeautyQueen]

That has to be one of my biggest pet peeves in the game.

Especially when they're like
"I don't run things on normal, personal rule."

That's annoying because
a.) it shows you really have no idea what you are doing

and
b.) then why did you join a LFM that clearly stated normal, as opposed to making your own lfm?

Oh that's right, no one joins your LFMs so you have to try and hijack someone else's.

[DelScorcho]

Whats worse is when people are running causal and had nothing about it in the lfm. Who wants to wait for a group to fill to run causal anything. Also if you are half done say so don't put up a lfm that doesnt say started when you have been in there for an hr wiped and are rebuilding the group without resetting the quest.

Yes some people run quests for xp.

I'm glad someone brought this up. This is extremely annoying, especially when the quest takes a little time to reach, as I never join missions on casual difficulty and will drop immediately when someone jumps in on casual. Running a mission on casual just removes one usable repeat on some other difficulty level, and is the bane of any TR character. If the group is going to run on casual, advertise this fact in the LFM. Otherwise the party is just wasting my time.

[Tom318]

Had someone pull that on me doing Cabal in Gianthold a few days ago. I thought that doing it with a level 10 group was challenge enough on normal for the rest of the party. Of course, someone went in on elite and argued with me about it when I questioned it in party chat.

On my way to the quest: the party, who had jumped inside as level 10 toons in a level 15 quest, died. No surprise there.

/dropgroup
/laugh

OTOH we survived Deleras on casual (what is that, level 7) ? and there was a level 4 drow rogue and a level 4 dwarf barb in the party :)