Oh God Why?

[delicious.crab]

Ok. So, yeah, I'm a newbie, whatever. Doing the quest where you have to keep Coyle alive in Threnal. Seriously, Turbine? Seriously? I'm not god's gift to MMOs, don't get me wrong... but I can't make it past the fire mephits without the stupid SOB dying?

And yes. Yes, I knocked him out... but with only me (rgr/rog) and trusty halfing Tower (IDIOT) on CASUAL... which i haver never stooped to before... he gets right back up. Before the second wave. Which is, of course, mephits and their AOE attacks.

Yes, I'm sure that there are many people here that can tell me how to approach this better (PUG? didnt fill)
but right now I'm more interested in WHY YOU WOULD MAKE THIS QUEST 15 MINUTES LONG? ARRGHGHG!

Please someone... anyone... put me some f'n knowledge here.

Don't make a maniac outta me.

EDIT: Hireling. Hireling, not halfling. Obviously, I was made into a maniac.

[phalaeo]

Relax, it's not you- It's Coyle.

The man has like, 15 HP-- you're better off finding a group with a Cleric/FvS/Bard willing to babysit him.

Keep in mind that everything has less HP on Casual, INCLUDING Coyle- Norm may be the way to go.

[Tirkan]

He wakes up whenever something hits him. You can knock him out again.

Also, spreading your group out a bit can help, as usually the spawns agro on the closest thing to them. At least, in my experience running that quest which, you know, was twice. >.> It was really aggravting, and took 5-6 tries.

[KillEveryone]

A group is really, really helpful for this quest.

The squishy aggros on everything when it is up and can't fight to save its life.

I hate that squishy.

[Rav'n]

Wow... You'd REEEEEALLY be having a fit if you did this quest before it was made easy... :eek:

As posted... this one is easier on Norm and w/ a Group. Also... Invisible, Blurr, Displace make this easier.

I will agree... the 15 Minutes is VERY painful!

[Srozbun]

Soloed this as I was leveling up my TR. It was a major PITA. Grab a cleric hireling, always have Coyle selected, and spam hireling heal on him. A few times he almost died. The more people you have in your group the easier it is. Have them tag the mobs as soon as they see them so they hopefully never make it to coyle. Hireling spam heal on Coyle whenever anything gets close to him. Turn off auto targeting so Coyle is always your target.

This is assuming you don't have a Cleric/FvS in your party. If you have one, they can easily babysit Coyle while the rest of you tag the trash. If you have a bard/arcane who can lay down CC, even better. Fogs/dancing balls/WoFs will grab aggro and direct them away from Coyle.

[delicious.crab]

Thanks to Ryanmor, Meloise, and the rest for helping me PUG through that!
Everyone was helpful and informative, stuck with it (even through several group reforms) to help.

Grateful newb is grateful.

Also, after you all left, I burned Coyle in a tire fire. Couldnt have done it wo you.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

You should have tried it before you could knock him out, or buff him, or heal him.

He seems to actually have less HP on casual, normal may work out easier for you.

[Nysrock]

You should have tried it before you could knock him out, or buff him, or heal him.

He seems to actually have less HP on casual, normal may work out easier for you.

Aye. Nothing like making it to the 5 minute mark and having a Thraask Hound spam PK on Coyle. :eek: Ended way too many runs that way before the buff.

[CaptainCameo]

Thanks to Ryanmor, Meloise, and the rest for helping me PUG through that!
Everyone was helpful and informative, stuck with it (even through several group reforms) to help.

Grateful newb is grateful.

Also, after you all left, I burned Coyle in a tire fire. Couldnt have done it wo you.

A Happy Ending

[phalaeo]

Thanks to Ryanmor, Meloise, and the rest for helping me PUG through that!
Everyone was helpful and informative, stuck with it (even through several group reforms) to help.

Grateful newb is grateful.

Also, after you all left, I burned Coyle in a tire fire. Couldnt have done it wo you.

Yay!
*claps vigorously*

[Noctus]

(PUG? didnt fill)

Is to expect, as this quest is horrible.

I personally flatout refuse to run it. Threnal is a nice quest chain, but for me it ends when you have to do this quest. - And i know many people who fell and act the same way.


One of the worst quest in all of DDO.



P.S.
When they 1st changed the quest to make it more easy and you could know him out, i went in solo and knocked him out constantly till he died. Laughing. Was fun.

[Zilta]

anyone remember when that moron Coyle couldnt be healed and the only way to stop him from moving was to box or triangle him into one place?

[Noctus]

anyone remember when that moron Coyle couldnt be healed and the only way to stop him from moving was to box or triangle him into one place?


Or when you were actually glad if he bugged out and tried to magic missile to death one of the gargoyles that never activated?

Because then he would stay in one sideways place and only get swarmed by half of all the spawning monsters ....

[Quarterling]

Coyle thought constitution was a dump stat, and never took toughness.

Don't worry, it's not your fault; it's the gimped Coyle's fault.

[cpito]

Grateful newb is grateful.

Also, after you all left, I burned Coyle in a tire fire. Couldnt have done it wo you.

Welcome to the Death to Coyle Fan Club!!!!

[JohnWarlock]

My best advice is this:

Do it on elite, and get a couple of level 20's to do it for you.

Reason:

The Quest is a joke. It's a 15 minute quest for 1k xp, the favor is detrimental and the over all feeling of the quest is just ridiculous.

Might as well get your favor and never run it again.

[Jaid314]

My best advice is this:

Do it on elite, and get a couple of level 20's to do it for you.

Reason:

The Quest is a joke. It's a 15 minute quest for 1k xp, the favor is detrimental and the over all feeling of the quest is just ridiculous.

Might as well get your favor and never run it again.

yeah... try running it with someone who can afford to spam dancing sphere and cloudkill around coyle a few times... instead of making you really really angry, the quest gets really really boring.

[Asymetric_War]

that quest is the reason no one runs threnal anymore. it was horrible when it was released and it's still horrible. it's my personal pick for the single worst quest in all of DDO.

[samthedagger]

Ok. So, yeah, I'm a newbie, whatever. Doing the quest where you have to keep Coyle alive in Threnal. Seriously, Turbine? Seriously? I'm not god's gift to MMOs, don't get me wrong... but I can't make it past the fire mephits without the stupid SOB dying?

Welcome to three years ago.

It remains a painful quest to go through for that very reason even unto this day, although some clever folks have figured out a few ways to "trick" Coyle into behaving in a more rational manner. You'd think a squishy like him would know he can't take on 15 mephits by himself.

[Matuse]

Knock him out, invis him, cast fire and acid resist on him (preferably 20 point versions) so that he doesn't accidentally catch damage from mephit and hound breath.

It's really not that bad. It's super extra helpful if you can keep disco balls, glitterdust (amazingly useful spell in this quest), firewalls, and blade barriers running more or less constantly, but those things aren't needed....you just have to keep Coyle from grabbing accidental aggro, and a way to deal with the rust monsters without breaking your weapons.

[tenalafel]

Welcome to three years ago.
/
Nah, 3 years ago Coyle was not knowckable senseless and was not healable...
And everybody relied to cornering him somewhere with 2 or 3 people keeping him cornered while the rest of the party was dealing with the spawns.

To the OP : while it's still 15 awful minutes, think what it used to be.
The best way to get rid of that quest is to grab a group, the more you are the more chance Coyle has to survive.
And even with 6 players that have several years of DDO it's still bound to fail eventually.

Coyle and East 3 are one of the 2 main reasons while Threnal is so universally disliked.
The other reason is the flagging to South that can be screwed very easilly.

Threnal needs a huge revamp...

[Mockduck]

Ah Coyle. It's actually much easier than it used to be and probably better for it. I agree about the Cleric hireling if trying to do it yourself, you need someone to keep him alive. Also on the rusty beater suggestion.

[Angelus_dead]

A person who complains about EE3 will do no better (at level) in Prey, ETK, GOP, or probably many other places.

And if someone uses the Tower hireling that's a bit of a red flag.

[dunklezhan]

A person who complains about EE3 will do no better (at level) in Prey, ETK, GOP, or probably many other places.

And if someone uses the Tower hireling that's a bit of a red flag.

Nor will they have any idea what those acronym's stand for. I certainly don't.

[elujin]

last time he got one shoted by a doggies acid breath at 0.59 min fromt het end .
i know it sucks it feels like a swift kick in the nuts :D

[azrael4h]

We ran it on Hard last night, full group. I won't be going back into Threnal again either. The rest isn't that good to begin with, but to have a string of "protect the Idiot" quests kills it for me.

[Dandonk]

That quest is just 15 minutes of booooooring, 95% of the time. The last 5% I roll a 1 on my save and I get the super luck of getting another 15 minutes of boredom.
The quest should really be changed. Perhaps 8-10 min instead, with some more/harder spawns (as well as giving Coyle more than the HP of a level 5 rogue with 6 con). As it is, it's just annoying. More challenge, more xp, less time. Please?

[Entelech]

Personally, I think Coyle is a wonderful illustration of why you don't dump Con when playing a Wizard or Sorcerer.

I think that quest ought to be a requirement for unlocking Drow.

[Rasczak]

Coyle took over where Arlos left off....and you think 15mins is bad.....what about before when it was longer...

Don't do protect quests on casual...ever ever...rather shortman them on norm and take advantage of dungeon scaling....

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[AyumiAmakusa]

Do it with a party of six. Yup, it sucks. As if the Dwarf protect quest wasn't bad enough. I can't offer advice because I pretty much did it on elite at cap but good luck.

[SirShen]

Yes i also think that 15mins for 1k xp is a joke, when there are other quests you can do in less then 15mins and get alot more xp. The time should be dropped to 8 to 10 mins or make the xp 5k.

I really do this quest at level, i just go in there for fav at level 20.

[Leatherneck]

I successfully did this quest just yesterday. It took 8 different attempts! I remember this one years ago, hated it then...hate it now. I couldn't find anyone willing to PUG this one so I hired a level 9 and 10 cleric and had them spam heal the weak tard like others had suggested above. Even doing it that way I failed twice before getting through it. If it had not been for the Threnal Unique quest rewards I'd probably have bypassed this one. Matuse' suggestion seems like the best one.

[sirdanile]

The best Hp / Damage taken ratio for coyle is on hard I would like to point out... especially when he has blur and resists.

That said I absolutely hate this quest and advise anyone soloing it to get someone to invis him for you... and to carry clickies of invisibility with at least 5 charges total.

[Coldin]

I'm glad to see that even to this day, new generations of DDO players are learning to hate Coyle. :cool:

[Hokonoso]

Yes i also think that 15mins for 1k xp is a joke, when there are other quests you can do in less then 15mins and get alot more xp. The time should be dropped to 8 to 10 mins or make the xp 5k.

I really do this quest at level, i just go in there for fav at level 20.

when im xp grinding my trs i only do the quests that average 1-2k xp per minute. this quest takes 15min exactly and instead of giving the normal 15k-30k xp i would be getting elsewhere, it gives 1k!!! turbine should really make this quest give 20k xp to make up for how stupid it is. cause anything less than 20k xp for the pain is just not worth it!

at least in u7 u can run it on elite without doing hard first, this will make it easier to find some 20s willing to help out on my next tr.

[Arlith]

Everyone hates Coyle. Still, he was worse in the old days. When they made the change, and you could heal him/knock him out, we would go in to east 3 just to knock him out. No one was trying to complete the quest, mobs were running all over. We just argued over whose turn it was to knock the carp out of Coyle. Now that was a fun time.

[Tholar]

How about a new quest where we find out Coyle is evil, and you have to hunt him down.

The new #1 most popular quest. It could have 300 Orthons, and 0xp.

I will take the time to hunt him down and kill him!

[Matuse]

Uh, Coyle -is- evil, and you do hunt him down. The giants get to him first though.

[WASNTME]

Turn him Invisible and charm mobs on the way out the door.

[elraido]

Uh, Coyle -is- evil, and you do hunt him down. The giants get to him first though.

Rise of the Coyle Litch! Travel to the realm of the dead to take down the most evil, hated character ever in the history of DDO! Kill hundreds of undead, only to protect Coyle and bring him back to the land of the living.....just so you can kill him again!

I liked it more back in the day when the chain was broken, so you only needed to do South over and over again to get the end rewards. Level cap was 10 and Retribution was still one of the best weapons in the game. And am I the only one who thinks the 75% return on the screaming arrows is more along the lines of 0%?

[hermespan]

Ok. So, yeah, I'm a newbie, whatever. Doing the quest where you have to keep Coyle alive in Threnal. Seriously, Turbine? Seriously? I'm not god's gift to MMOs, don't get me wrong... but I can't make it past the fire mephits without the stupid SOB dying?

And yes. Yes, I knocked him out... but with only me (rgr/rog) and trusty halfing Tower (IDIOT) on CASUAL... which i haver never stooped to before... he gets right back up. Before the second wave. Which is, of course, mephits and their AOE attacks.

Yes, I'm sure that there are many people here that can tell me how to approach this better (PUG? didnt fill)
but right now I'm more interested in WHY YOU WOULD MAKE THIS QUEST 15 MINUTES LONG? ARRGHGHG!

Please someone... anyone... put me some f'n knowledge here.

Don't make a maniac outta me.

EDIT: Hireling. Hireling, not halfling. Obviously, I was made into a maniac.

You can buff him then put him to sleep by talking to him. This keeps him out of trouble. This quest is a LOT easier than it used to be so don't complain :-p

When he gets up, just talk to him again.

[darkrhavyn]

Ok. So, yeah, I'm a newbie, whatever. Doing the quest where you have to keep Coyle alive in Threnal. Seriously, Turbine? Seriously? I'm not god's gift to MMOs, don't get me wrong... but I can't make it past the fire mephits without the stupid SOB dying?

And yes. Yes, I knocked him out... but with only me (rgr/rog) and trusty halfing Tower (IDIOT) on CASUAL... which i haver never stooped to before... he gets right back up. Before the second wave. Which is, of course, mephits and their AOE attacks.

Yes, I'm sure that there are many people here that can tell me how to approach this better (PUG? didnt fill)
but right now I'm more interested in WHY YOU WOULD MAKE THIS QUEST 15 MINUTES LONG? ARRGHGHG!

Please someone... anyone... put me some f'n knowledge here.

Don't make a maniac outta me.

EDIT: Hireling. Hireling, not halfling. Obviously, I was made into a maniac.

Coyle is the Devs revenge on all of us players.

I seriously petitioned for them to spawn Coyles at a Town Hall meeting once so we could kill him over and over again for the pain he inflicts in Threnal.

Not to gloat, but think hes bad now...you can buff and heal him and knock him out....you didnt used t be able to do any of those things. Only way to win the quests was to gang block him in a corner and let the melee and a caster kill everything and run to the cleric between waves for heals and drink tons of potions.


Best bet for actually finishing it solo...get a cleric hireling and tell it to protect Coyle....and then kite all the mobs away from them.....also, cast invisiblity on him...hes stays asleep longer that way as things dont hit him.

[Odium]

Charm spells work really well in here. Esp on the mephits, which for me, seem to be the things that pose the most danger. Just keep a small group charmed and let them fight each other with you cleaning up the scraps.

[wolflordnexus]

Uh, Coyle -is- evil, and you do hunt him down. The giants get to him first though.

This is the problem If we actually got the satisfaction of the kill I bet more would run the series. I know I would I freakin hate that guy.

[karnokvolrath]

Rest assured everyone in this game hates Croyle.

The best way to complete this quest is two get two clerics. One to keep croyle babbysitted and far away from the group. (he will fallow a specific person if told to do so). The second group clears and moves croyle ahead behind them, remember certin things respawn, so speed and precison is important.

Croyle sucks, always has.