Past Life (cleric)- worth it?

[Vellrad]

I'm going to have couple of TRs on my wizard to wizard for free spell pen feats.
I'm going to be drow archmage to have maximum spell's DC.
I will not be able to raise my UMD to use heal scrolls.
Is clerics' active past life worth of TRing to cleric?
(Thats 11d4 HP, 5 times/rest and +1 conjuration DC)

[blitzschlag]

I'm going to have couple of TRs on my wizard to wizard for free spell pen feats.
I'm going to be drow archmage to have maximum spell's DC.
I will not be able to raise my UMD to use heal scrolls.
Is clerics' active past life worth of TRing to cleric?
(Thats 11d4 HP, 5 times/rest and +1 conjuration DC)

25 hp 5 times. dunno if metamagix work here. if yes it would be 62.5 hp average * 5. still sucky

can't imagine why you can't go umd route with the plenty skillpoints the wizard got to offer...

[Vellrad]

can't imagine why you can't go umd route with the plenty skillpoints the wizard got to offer...

Yeah, i got something like milion skill points, but I can't put more than 11 to cross-class skill. With good gear it will be 22 charisma (or 24 with +4 tome), so its going to be +6 bonus.
11 base
+6 charisma
+6 exceptional (greensteel)
+5 enchancement
+3 competence
+1 luck
+4 morale
36 total

So I'll need to roll 4 for heal scroll. 20% chance.

Edit: TY for info about competence bonus from cartouche and +5 from gloves :)

[Canuckish]

Wizards use Int not Cha.. so you will have butt loads of Skill Points..

And go Warforged.. for wizards no fleshie can compete.

[blitzschlag]

Yeah, i got something like milion skill points, but I can't put more than 11 to cross-class skill. With good gear it will be 22 charisma (or 24 with +4 tome), so its going to be +6 bonus.
11 base
+6 charisma
+6 exceptional (greensteel)
+3 item (epic big top/golden cartouche)
+1 luck
+4 morale
31 total

So I'll need to roll 9 for heal scroll. 55% chance.

well, you can get some more points. but you prolly won't get better than 75%. still scrolling is not really a emergency thing to do. it can work but oftentimes wont. so scrolling is good out of combat and 3/4 or 3/5 success rate is not too shabby, really.

if you need emergency heal, get 400 silver flame favor mate...

[Original]

I have it on my Cleric (2time tr) and with max, emp heal i see it hitting 300+ alot

[blitzschlag]

I have it on my Cleric (2time tr) and with max, emp heal i see it hitting 300+ alot

just maximize and empower heal or maximize, empower and empower heal? with superior ardor clicky or not? with life magic enhancements taken i guess.

clerics have double the chance to crit a healspell than the wizard would. also the crit modifier is less for a wizard.

realistically the wizard would have a 14% (with rakhirs set) chance to crit it for a lot less. you could buff that with unusual items for a wiz (like using sup ardor clicky and reaver gloves for example)...

[FuzzyDuck81]

25 hp 5 times. dunno if metamagix work here. if yes it would be 62.5 hp average * 5. still sucky

can't imagine why you can't go umd route with the plenty skillpoints the wizard got to offer...

i'm pretty sure (95%) that the healing words can be boosted by metamagic like dragonmarks & the favoured soul cap spells, not sure about what level they count as for potency though.. and naturally you'd need healing lore or arcane lore to give them a crit chance

[WielderofGigantus]

On my level 12 Cleric, with Superior Devotion V and Life Magic IV, and with Empower Healing active (at 75% bonus thanks to RS II), it heals for ~80 or so, and crits for ~160. That'll go up, of course, as I go up in levels. When I hit level 20 I'll figure out whether or not its actually worth the feat slot.

But without any devotions item equipped, no enhancements at all, and no empower healing active, it was only healing for ~26 at level 12. So it's most likely not worth getting at low levels.

[Rusty_Can]

+3 item (epic big top/golden cartouche)
+1 luck
31 total

So I'll need to roll 9 for heal scroll. 55% chance.

Epic Big Top provides ehancements bonus, whereas Golden Cartouche provides competence bonus; they would stack. Anyway, if your gear setup allows it, the best option would be Seven Fingered Gloves (+5 competence bonus) and Epic Big Top (+3 enhancement bonus).

Luck bonuses: several sources can provide you +2 bonus (e.g. Head of Good Fortune, epic items with blue slots).

I guess you considered and ditched Skill Focus: UMD.

There are potions (collectors in House Deneith) which provide (short) alchemical bonuses to abilities and skills.

[Vellrad]

Epic Big Top provides ehancements bonus, whereas Golden Cartouche provides competence bonus; they would stack. Anyway, if your gear setup allows it, the best option would be Seven Fingered Gloves (+5 competence bonus) and Epic Big Top (+3 enhancement bonus).

Luck bonuses: several sources can provide you +2 bonus (e.g. Head of Good Fortune, epic items with blue slots).

I guess you considered and ditched Skill Focus: UMD.

There are potions (collectors in House Deneith) which provide (short) alchemical bonuses to abilities and skills.

Cool, I didn't knew that cartouche is competence no enchancement, and though gloves are +3 only. Thanks, now I got to recalculate my UMD :)

[Krag]

I'm going to have couple of TRs on my wizard to wizard for free spell pen feats.
I'm going to be drow archmage to have maximum spell's DC.
I will not be able to raise my UMD to use heal scrolls.
Is clerics' active past life worth of TRing to cleric?
(Thats 11d4 HP, 5 times/rest and +1 conjuration DC)

Absolutely worth it on a no-healing caster.

[wax_on_wax_off]

I'm going to have couple of TRs on my wizard to wizard for free spell pen feats.
I'm going to be drow archmage to have maximum spell's DC.
I will not be able to raise my UMD to use heal scrolls.
Is clerics' active past life worth of TRing to cleric?
(Thats 11d4 HP, 5 times/rest and +1 conjuration DC)

i think i see in lamania release notes that the real dice will now be listed. Ie, 1d6 is now 1d3+3. Following this pattern it is actually 11(1d2+2) = 11d2+22 = (average) 1.5*11+22 = 38.5

38.5 + 150% from empower and maximise + 75% from superior ardor clicky.
38.5*4.375=168.5 roughly

170 point heal 5 times a rest is pretty decent. My halfling wizard has 4 or so heals/day and certainly at level 13 or whatever he is at it heals him up nicely.

At level 20 i can see that this would be valuable to have a no fail panic button when you are taking damage. Heal scrolls and friendly clerics fail sometimes and this is cheaper and better than potions.

[DrNuegebauer]

Wizards use Int not Cha.. so you will have butt loads of Skill Points..

And go Warforged.. for wizards no fleshie can compete.

Completely agree on the WF thing.

If you've got a wizzy past life stacked, then you won't need the extra 2 int from being Drow!

Casting quickened reconstruct for around 300 beats grinding out a cleric past life doesn't it??

And the extra HP from the Con and toughness enhancements will be great anyhow (plus immunities etc etc).

[Vellrad]

Completely agree on the WF thing.

If you've got a wizzy past life stacked, then you won't need the extra 2 int from being Drow!

Casting quickened reconstruct for around 300 beats grinding out a cleric past life doesn't it??

And the extra HP from the Con and toughness enhancements will be great anyhow (plus immunities etc etc).

The point is, that I just don't want to be a robot. I don't need much selfhealin, in fact at my lv20 elven wizard with 312 HP I don't need heeling to often (except epic partycrashers with the scorpion's aggro). If I need self heeling its only for emergeny situation.

[voodoogroves]

Web and trap the soul dcs are never bad.

[Merlocke]

join the master race.

[Vellrad]

join the master race.

I would like to, but it has not yet been relased in DDO.

[Bacab]

I just do not understand drow...

If I was you...I would roll a WF WIZ...and just see how you like it.

Maybe you like it...maybe you don't...

[Jakarr]

The point is, that I just don't want to be a robot. I don't need much selfhealin, in fact at my lv20 elven wizard with 312 HP I don't need heeling to often (except epic partycrashers with the scorpion's aggro). If I need self heeling its only for emergeny situation.

I am not a robot I am a sentinel being :p

I'v actually have kicked someone from my grp before because he called me a vending machine :confused:


On to Topic; Wf brothers we need not convert the heathen as they will come to us in time. All will see the Power of the Lord of Blades and be Awed the day of reckoning is approaching!!!



:D

[vVAnjilaVv]

Unless I am mistaken, the +1 to conjurations DC's is part of the passive past life feat, not the one you have to purchase.

[Vellrad]

About beign or not beign WF or Drow:
I'm going to make 3 TRs for max spell pen (yay 3 free feats!)
So I'm definately going to try WF on 1 of my lifes to see how to be self repairing robot.
But, as I'm considering going drow, I'm also considering form of self healing aswell.