Metalline/Pure Good

[whitepawn]

Ok...ground out my gear and I'm Shroud ready...only I'm not.

I need Metalline of Pure Good weapons before I'll be allowed into a raid. Fair enough, if that's the requirement for damaging the boss.

Only, I'm L19 and I've yet to find one finesse-able weapon that is metalline of pure good (much less two) through questing or quest rewards. I browse the AH daily as well and have yet to find anything there either.

Are there somewhat static quest/chest rewards out there that I can grind to obtain these weapons? (Not that the spectral gloves have shown themselves yet, but if grinding is what it takes, I'm willing to bang my head on that same rock for the metalline/pg....)

[Hobgoblin]

i have had good luck in the iq end rewards for sliver/holy/pg if that helps


also check vendors as well as ah

hob

[SINIBYTE]

Ok...ground out my gear and I'm Shroud ready...only I'm not.

I need Metalline of Pure Good weapons before I'll be allowed into a raid. Fair enough, if that's the requirement for damaging the boss.

Only, I'm L19 and I've yet to find one finesse-able weapon that is metalline of pure good (much less two) through questing or quest rewards. I browse the AH daily as well and have yet to find anything there either.

Are there somewhat static quest/chest rewards out there that I can grind to obtain these weapons? (Not that the spectral gloves have shown themselves yet, but if grinding is what it takes, I'm willing to bang my head on that same rock for the metalline/pg....)

I found what would be considered the holy grail for monks: +2 metaline of pg handwraps, as an end reward doing prey runs.

[Symar-FangofLloth]

Come U7, Devil Assault will have a high penchant for dropping boss beaters from the end chests. How strong depends on what difficulty (and level) you're running.

[JustWinBaby]

I have a +2 Metalline Quarterstaff of PG if you're interested. Also, I will soon have a +2 (or +3) Longsword of PG with Metalline if you're interested.

Even if they're not finessable, anything is better than nothing.

FWIW, a Lit II Rapier would be just fine on the Raid bosses if it's on normal. Hard/Elite, yea you need Min II or Metalline (silver, etc. is doable) and PG.

Also, I am on Ghallanda.

[Freeman]

I've had the best luck on the AH finding light maces, light hammers, and other bludgeoning weapons. I wouldn't worry too much about proficiency, since none of the bosses have a high AC. Beating the DR is more important than maximizing your to-hit. Just keep an eye on the AH, and you'll find something to get you started. Another good option is to post on your server trade forum offering a reasonable amount of plat for your preferred weapons. I know I have a few extra DR breakers sitting in various banks that I've picked up over the years, and others likely do as well.

[Enoach]

I always love the "They Won't let me Play because..." threads.

How do you think we did this before? (Before Store Pots, Before GS Weapons and at level 15 and 16)

You do not need Metalline

The Boss's DR is Silver + Good/Holy

While Metalline + pure good / MINII gives you this it is not the only way.

Next best options that do not break DR:
(Works best with High Crit Range weapons)

Lightning Burst <- Boss has no protection/immunity to lightning
Holy Burst <- Boss has no protection/immunity to Holy

Other weapons from the Bane Line
Evil Outsider
Lawful Outsider


Another option:
Stat Damage Weapons (CON/DEX) up to 10 points

[Illiain]

Flametouched iron also adds good to a weapon's damage type, so if you can find a metalline/flametouched iron, it will break the DR.

I started with cheap +1 metalline/pg daggers but anything with the good and silver damages will work fine.

[voodoogroves]

What's funny is I've listed (on g-land) a Metalline of PG composite shortbow (which didn't sell) and multiple metalline of PG heavy maces.

Ah well.

[Razcar]

What's funny is I've listed (on g-land) a Metalline of PG composite shortbow (which didn't sell) and multiple metalline of PG heavy maces.

Finding stuff like this will be so much easier when we get free text search of the AH in Update 7. Now it's a snooze to search every weapon type.

[blitzschlag]

its true that we have done it early 2008 without dr bypassing weapons. still you should also remember how painful that runs were back in the day. hero method pt4/5 anyone?

if you are a finesse rogue and can't bypass the dr you end up seeing lots of 0's floating around.

shocking burst or holy of greater lawful/evil outsider banes are good aswell on normal runs as you do 14.5 extra damage through the greater bane which is roughly what harry's dr is.

its really not too hard to get something to be effective against the pit fiends.

depending on the group there is not always a spot more for a (in part 4 and 5) useless person as it could make the difference of succeed or wipe. there is really no need to wipe in shroud since mid 2008...



What's funny is I've listed (on g-land) a Metalline of PG composite shortbow (which didn't sell) and multiple metalline of PG heavy maces.

Ah well.

noone uses a metalline bow. those are ****. if you need a bow, use holyburst of greater bane or pg with the silver/cold iron arrows from house d. few ppl use heavy maces. those can't be finessed either (so no use for the op). sure, if i have the proficiency and no dr breaker those would be a option...

[Psyker]

Most of this has been mentioned already, but to sum up...

Harry's AC is very low, therefore even if you are a Finesse rogue you can go ahead and use heavy weapons in both hands against him and should likely hit him on every roll, look for the less popular weapons

What actually breaks his DR is Silver and Good aligned, so you can get a holy/silver weapon, or silver/pure good, or flametouched iron metalline, someday you will get real lucky and find yourself a pair +5 holy burst silver rapier of Greater Evil Outsider bane, but until then use a war hammer or whatever you can get your hands on.

[stoolcannon]

I've yet to ever see anyone turned away from a raid based on what weapons they are using. I personally have only ever been turned away from one raid (can't recall which but it was something on epic) due to my gear loadout but in all fairness I wasn't particularly well prepared and could have ended up being a liability (I've run several epics with the same loadout and done just fine but I recall this one was a particularly difficult raid).

Fortunately for my buddy I found him a set of +4 shocking burst of pure good handwraps in the house D vendor for 12k and he's not having any issues in vale or shroud.

[Backley]

Not the best option, but do note that the DDO Store now offers Blessed Silver weapons which are Silver+Good boss beaters.

[sephiroth1084]

Check the less than ideal weapon options on the AH. I know that I frequently throw up Holy Silver, or Metalline of PG light maces, daggers, etc... and get them back in the mail because no one bothers to check.

Also, if you are a rogue, unless you're running Hard/Elite Shroud, you should be just fine with a mediocre weapon in the Shroud, since more than half of your damage comes from SA.

[jurzey]

Keep trying, i found a +3 Silver of Pure Good rapier on the AH for 35k plat buyout. Snatched it up in an instant.

[MeToo]

I lucked out and nabbed a +4 Met D-Axe of PG for my Dwarven Kensei on the Sarlona AH for ~300k gold just before the switch to plat and subsequent skyrocketing prices. I've never seen anything like that since then and it will be a long time until I can craft a Min II for him. I wonder if the free to play crowd reaching Shroud levels has anything to do with their scarcity.

You might try Gianthold as I've got a +3 Metalline Scimitar of Pure Good and +1 Metalline Dagger of Pure Good from end rewards there.

That's all I've accumulated though in nearly a year of questing.

The best way to get offers is what you're doing - posting here. You might try the trade channel on your server too from time to time. People have these laying around but they might not put them up for sale - just in case.

[RandomKeypress]

Keep looking at the AH - it takes an age for the perfect weapon for you shows up, but it will happen eventually. Couple of weeks back I got a +5 Metalline Heavy Repeating Crossbow of Pure Good for 90k pp on the AH. Patience will be rewarded.

[Thuldorn]

Can plan on not doing Shroud? Or going in with a negative level? Everyone on the server can't be good.

So what is considered "Shroud" gear?

[Sani_Medicor]

This is shocking, because I've had a finessable metalline of pure good weapon on the AH for weeks. I've dropped it down to a 10kpp buyout and still hasn't sold.

[dkyle]

Can plan on not doing Shroud? Or going in with a negative level? Everyone on the server can't be good.

So what is considered "Shroud" gear?

What neg level? A chaotic neutral rogue would only get a neg level from an Axiomatic weapon, which isn't particularly useful against the Lawful Evil Devils in shroud. Pure Good never inflicts negative levels, it has a UMD check which should be trivial for any end game rogue. Holy only gives neg levels to evil, not neutral.

"Shroud" weapons are generally weapons that can either break the DR on the boss, which requires silver and good, or weapons that do so much damage that they meet or exceed breaker DPS anyway. The latter is generally only viable on normal difficulty, as the DR scales. Remember that these are only needed on the boss. The trash Devils' DR can be broken with just Silver OR Good.

Common breakers include:
Metalline of PG
Metalline Flametouched Iron
Holy Silver
Silver of PG
Mineral II crafted weapons

Common high DPS weapons that are about the same, or beat, a MinII on Normal:
Holy/Anarchic of Greater Evil/Lawful Outsider Bane
Lightning II crafted weapons

[Fomori]

Having 1 player in a 19-20 normal shroud without a specifically a silver/good weapon is not going to cause a wipe, not even close. If you have holy/holy burst/greater evil outsider/greater lawful outsider bane weapons then you are at least doing something with additional effects.

This seems like another case of where the people asking for your "boss beaters" are following the script of those before them instead of know exactly why you need a 'silver/good' weapon.

[dkyle]

Having 1 player in a 19-20 normal shroud without a specifically a silver/good weapon is not going to cause a wipe, not even close.

No, but players that don't care to know enough to bring the right weapons tend to be the kind of players that don't care to follow instructions, or have more than 200 HP, or wear a heavy fort item. DR breakers are not hard to find. Optimal ones, sure, but a basic Met. Something of PG is not too much to ask. And where's the line? One gimp may not be an issue, but what about 3? Or 5?


If you have holy/holy burst/greater evil outsider/greater lawful outsider bane weapons then you are at least doing something with additional effects.

A TWF or twitch THF with a +3 Holy of Greater Evil Outsider Bane is better off than if they had a +5 Met PG. DR-breaking is much more important for glancing-blows THF.

[whitepawn]

Great responses guys, thanks. Hopefully others with the same issue can use the thread as well. I did manage to find a puny +5 metalline dagger of pg.

I've heard the holy burst, silver bit before, and have a +5 holy burst rapier and +4 metalline/silver shortsword which I have linked to raid hosts...however, there is an element in game that has metalline/pg and ONLY metalline/pg emblazoned in their brains....and nothing outside of that box will ever work for them.

Rigidity in thinking can be fail.

[ahpook]

I always love the "They Won't let me Play because..." threads.

How do you think we did this before? (Before Store Pots, Before GS Weapons and at level 15 and 16)



Before we get all self righteous, we did it back in the day with transmuting, which got past every DR except /-. By the time they nerved transmuting to metalline we had time to build our first min II's or were able to find transmuters with a pure good kicker.

OP, keep looking on the AH and you will find something soon enough - they are not that uncommon. Just don't go looking for high demand items like rapiers or khopeshes. And if someone rejects you because you "only" have a holy silver weapon, you really didn't want to run with them anyway.

[sephiroth1084]

Great responses guys, thanks. Hopefully others with the same issue can use the thread as well. I did manage to find a puny +5 metalline dagger of pg.

I've heard the holy burst, silver bit before, and have a +5 holy burst rapier and +4 metalline/silver shortsword which I have linked to raid hosts...however, there is an element in game that has metalline/pg and ONLY metalline/pg emblazoned in their brains....and nothing outside of that box will ever work for them.

Rigidity in thinking can be fail.
Well, neither of those will bypass Shroud boss DR, which is their issue, though they should really learnt o suck ti up and stop being such babies. Probably an x-20 group, too, right? On a rogue the 4 levels gained over the previous level cap equates to 2d6 to 6d6 more damage, which more than makes up for the loss from not bypassing his DR.

Like the Epic DQ 2 group I tried joining on my barbarian the other day. I got turned down, and when I asked why, the leader said it was because they weren't taking anyone without a Min II. I had thought that he knew me, and that it wasn't going to be an issue, but even after mentioning that I had a dozen completions, some with his guild on that toon alone, I was met with nothing but more rudeness.

People crawl into their little mind-holes and can't see their way out of them. /shrug

[nerdychaz]

Look for Metalline of PG sickles and daggers if you are a finesse build. Those are usually cheap. I find them often for 50k on the cannith AH.

[EustaceTrevelyan]

Ok...ground out my gear and I'm Shroud ready...only I'm not.

I need Metalline of Pure Good weapons before I'll be allowed into a raid. Fair enough, if that's the requirement for damaging the boss.

Only, I'm L19 and I've yet to find one finesse-able weapon that is metalline of pure good (much less two) through questing or quest rewards. I browse the AH daily as well and have yet to find anything there either.

Are there somewhat static quest/chest rewards out there that I can grind to obtain these weapons? (Not that the spectral gloves have shown themselves yet, but if grinding is what it takes, I'm willing to bang my head on that same rock for the metalline/pg....)

yes, metalline holy/pg (or if you can find it, metalline/flametouched) will do the job, but since the big shroud DR is silver/good, in terms of power/level you want holy/holy burst +silver, since the silver is "free" in that it doesn't change the plus (and therefore ML) of a weapon. Also, once you find that, you can use it on characters that don't have good aligment/UMD. (Having never actually run the shroud, I don't know if there are also demons; if so, then just get something cold iron/good also. Metalline/pg saves inventory space, mostly.).

[Draccus]

As mentioned above, keep an eye out for Flametouched weapons. Many players don't realize that Flametouched does Good damage and they ignore the weapon. They see "Metalline Flametouched Iron" and immediately think it's redundant, like Metalline Silver. It's not redundant.

I put a +3 Metalline Flametouched Iron Greataxe of Enfeebling on the AH for a very low price. It didn't sell in in three attempts. But the +1 Silver Greataxe of PG I put up there for 4x as much sold in a day.

[Bodic]

just like I saw a +5 holy silver SS of enfeebling for 200k I am like steal and buy. If it had the redundant PG on it I am sure the poster would have had it in the 500's at least

edit: I dont use +5's often for DR breakers no need my hit is fine sure I lose 1-6 dps but I break DR so I gain.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I just want to say, that when my Rogue sees +70ish numbers on my screen all the time....that 15-20ish first number just seems kinda trivial to me. Doesn't seem so gimped to me if it was a zero. :cool:

[Draccus]

I just want to say, that when my Rogue sees +70ish numbers on my screen all the time....that 15-20ish first number just seems kinda trivial to me. Doesn't seem so gimped to me if it was a zero. :cool:

12-20 damage PER HIT is huge regardless of what your SA numbers are. The only way I'd be comfortable not bypassing DR would be if I was making up for it some other way (Like a LitII...which, against DR15, is about the same damage as a MinII).

[ahpook]

12-20 damage PER HIT is huge regardless of what your SA numbers are. The only way I'd be comfortable not bypassing DR would be if I was making up for it some other way (Like a LitII...which, against DR15, is about the same damage as a MinII).

Agreed, Don't let some big sneak numbers make you think that the other numbers are not worth optimizing.

But some people don't seem to get that using +5 GEOB weapon is as good as a +2 metalline of Pure Good.

ignoring base damage and str as those are a constant:
+2 +3.5 = 5.5 dmg for enhancement and PG
vs
+5 + 4 + 10.5 = 19.5 dmg for enhancement and bane bonuses

that means at DR 15 the GEOB is only 1 point behind the metalline weapon. If you factor in crits however it could get another 7, 14 or 21 dmg on a crit (depending on weapon type) pulling it ahead of the DR busting metalline.

[LazyTigerLily]

It depends on the server and all, but I found a +5 Silver Dagger of Pure Good on the AH recently for ~8k plat buyout :O they are out there, just gotta be persistent in looking I guess.

I have a question for the OP though is the metaline requirement for portal beating? If it is, you can also use a Greater Construct Bane weapon on the portals and I believe anarchic weapons are useful in the raid as well though I could be wrong there (If I am please let me know folks). For Harry though a tendon slice 6% or above can be quite helpful.

[Backley]

It depends on the server and all, but I found a +5 Silver Dagger of Pure Good on the AH recently for ~8k plat buyout :O they are out there, just gotta be persistent in looking I guess.

I have a question for the OP though is the metaline requirement for portal beating? If it is, you can also use a Greater Construct Bane weapon on the portals and I believe anarchic weapons are useful in the raid as well though I could be wrong there (If I am please let me know folks). For Harry though a tendon slice 6% or above can be quite helpful.

1. Harry (Arratrekos (http://ddowiki.com/index.php?title=Arraetrikos)) is a Lawful Evil Outsider with DR 15-35/Silver+Good. So, Metaline/Silver plus Holy Burst/Holy/Pure Good/Flametouched Iron to bypass DR, and Anarchic Burst/Anarchic/True Chaos or Lesser/Normal/Greater Lawful or Evil Outsider Bane adds more damage. Vicious works too, but isn't nice on the healers. Maiming, bleed, sonic, force work as well.

2. Portals (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2944559&postcount=106) are Lawful Evil Constructs with DR 10/- (so nothing bypasses the DR). So, Anarchic Burst/Anarchic/True Chaos, Holy Burst/Holy/Pure Good, and Lesser/Normal/Greater Construct Bane add damage. Vicious works too, and is fine since healing is not an issue. Maiming works too, as does Force. Other elemental damage does not.

3. Tendon Slice is only supposed to slow down the movement speed, not the attack speed. To address this, Tendon Slice won't work at all on Red and Purple named boss and raid bosses after Update 7 (Oct 20th 2010). Same for Waves of Exhaustion.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

12-20 damage PER HIT is huge regardless of what your SA numbers are. The only way I'd be comfortable not bypassing DR would be if I was making up for it some other way (Like a LitII...which, against DR15, is about the same damage as a MinII).

Yes.

I'm just pointing out that Rogues can still do a lot of damage, even without DR breakers.

But with is certainly better.

[LazyTigerLily]

1. Harry (Arratrekos (http://ddowiki.com/index.php?title=Arraetrikos)) is a Lawful Evil Outsider with DR 15-35/Silver+Good. So, Metaline/Silver plus Holy Burst/Holy/Pure Good/Flametouched Iron to bypass DR, and Anarchic Burst/Anarchic/True Chaos or Lesser/Normal/Greater Lawful or Evil Outsider Bane adds more damage. Vicious works too, but isn't nice on the healers. Maiming, bleed, sonic, force work as well.

2. Portals (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2944559&postcount=106) are Lawful Evil Constructs with DR 10/- (so nothing bypasses the DR). So, Anarchic Burst/Anarchic/True Chaos, Holy Burst/Holy/Pure Good, and Lesser/Normal/Greater Construct Bane add damage. Vicious works too, and is fine since healing is not an issue. Maiming works too, as does Force. Other elemental damage does not.

3. Tendon Slice is only supposed to slow down the movement speed, not the attack speed. To address this, Tendon Slice won't work at all on Red and Purple named boss and raid bosses after Update 7 (Oct 20th 2010). Same for Waves of Exhaustion.
Awesome, this is just the kind of response I was hoping for. Thank you :)