How many arrows do you burn through?

[Seamonkeysix]

I realize not everyone who focuses on ranged combat is a ranger, but it seemed most appropriate to post this here.

I recently capped an AA. Before a Shroud or VoD, I buy silver arrows from House D. I never seemed to find myself out of silver ammo in the past. Perhaps it is the speed bonus to the cap, but I find myself burning through a grip of arrows lately.

Let me say that I typically only use silver arrows and ranged combat on Harry and Sully during my manyshot phase, and then I switch to TWF with DR busters when manyshot is over. I typically use vorpals or DPS melee weapons on trash, and switch to arcane arrows to clean em up with Lit2 bow during manyshot.

That being said, how many specialized arrows are you guys burning through and did you notice a big difference at cap if you are a 20 ranger?

[grodon9999]

Figure about 100 a manyshot. If I have 500 I don't bother to restock.

[Seamonkeysix]

Figure about 100 a manyshot. If I have 500 I don't bother to restock.

Is that on a 20 ranger? I woulda said around 500 if you would have asked me a week ago. I just burned through 600 and ran out of ammo on a pretty speedy raid. Guess I will stock 1000 for future use.

[Ebuddy]

I just use my conjured arrows. On my lit2 bow and with limited space I don't generally worry about silver arrows.

[grodon9999]

Is that on a 20 ranger? I woulda said around 500 if you would have asked me a week ago. I just burned through 600 and ran out of ammo on a pretty speedy raid. Guess I will stock 1000 for future use.

I believe hasted when my Ranger was 20 and capstoned she could toss out 96 arrows in a manyshot. My 18/1/1 rangers with the ToD AA sets can fire off 88. 100 per manyshot is a good guestimate.

If you're firing off 600 arrows in a VoD and ONLY using your bow for manyshot than something is wrong.

[Seamonkeysix]

I just use my conjured arrows. On my lit2 bow and with limited space I don't generally worry about silver arrows.

I use the conjured arrows a lot, myself, but I switched to silver on bosses (especially on hard or elite). I was seing numbers in the lower 100s with the conjured arrows, but upper 100s with silver, so I figured it was worth having DR busters.

[Seamonkeysix]

I believe hasted when my Ranger was 20 and capstoned she could toss out 96 arrows in a manyshot. My 18/1/1 rangers with the ToD AA sets can fire off 88. 100 per manyshot is a good guestimate.

If you're firing off 600 arrows in a VoD and ONLY using your bow for manyshot than something is wrong.

I'm gonna start monitoring better. We did a hard VoD in 24 minutes (that included a little stutter of buffing...so probably closer to 20 minutes). I figure I hit manyshot 8 times or so...but I may have blasted some orthons and trash, too.

Thanks for the input to the rangers, I really haven't paid close attention to this and nobody likes to run outta something that helps the group.

[grodon9999]

I just use my conjured arrows. On my lit2 bow and with limited space I don't generally worry about silver arrows.

assuming you're capstoned . . .

96 arrows (from the manyshot) x 15 (damage per arrows that you lost because you're too cheap to buy arrows) = 1440 damage that you could have caused in 20 seconds if you chose to break DR. Think about it.

[Ebuddy]

assuming you're capstoned . . .

96 arrows (from the manyshot) x 15 (damage per arrows that you lost because you're too cheap to buy arrows) = 1440 damage that you could have caused in 20 seconds if you chose to break DR. Think about it.

I think I've just been schooled. That said, I still probably wouldn't bother unless I was doing a hard or elite quest where silver was needed. It's not a matter of being cheap, just hate messing around with quivers. Point well made however. ;-)

[Hadrian]

I'm a tempest, but there are still times where I burn through a lot of arrows. Sometimes I burn through them surprisingly quickly. I solved the problem of suddenly running out with the DDO store quivers. I think that they are both worth buying when they go on sale.

I carry one Very Large Thin Quiver with 3 sets of 1500 of different DR breaking arrows, and 1 set of 1500 75% returners. I also use a Very Large Wide Quiver to store all of the situationally useful randomly generated arrows that I could want. You can store 300 each of up to 20 different types with that one.

There is also the Quiver of Alacrity from the Abbot. It only allows 3 stacks of 1500, but it is free. As far as I know, its attack speed bonus doesn't stack with haste, making it a little disappointing as a raid item. The extra storage is nice, though.

[Glenalth]

There is also the Quiver of Alacrity from the Abbot. It only allows 3 stacks of 1500, but it is free. As far as I know, its attack speed bonus doesn't stack with haste, making it a little disappointing as a raid item. The extra storage is nice, though.

The bonus is pretty handy when you are soloing or just running in a group without an arcane caster.

The capacity is very nice. The more runs to House D for more arrows that I can avoid, the better.

[Ganolyn]

I carry one Very Large Thin Quiver with 3 sets of 1500 of different DR breaking arrows, and 1 set of 1500 75% returners. I also use a Very Large Wide Quiver to store all of the situationally useful randomly generated arrows that I could want. You can store 300 each of up to 20 different types with that one.

I do pretty much the same thing except I use regular arrows instead of the returning ones. 1,500 75% returning arrows equals 2,625 regular arrows. 2,625 regular arrows are still much cheaper than the returning and 1500 regular arrows will get you through at least three quests with heavy bow use.

[Sirea]

I do pretty much the same thing except I use regular arrows instead of the returning ones. 1,500 75% returning arrows equals 2,625 regular arrows. 2,625 regular arrows are still much cheaper than the returning and 1500 regular arrows will get you through at least three quests with heavy bow use.

Why are you using regular arrows when, as an Arcane Archer, you can conjure returning arrows for free?

[Ganolyn]

Why are you using regular arrows when, as an Arcane Archer, you can conjure returning arrows for free?

I'm not an AA, I'm a Tempest. Archery is still situationally useful, even if you aren't an AA. I just switch as needed. With the right ammo you only lose the 500 HP Slayer option which you can offset with the Slaying and Greater Slaying arrows up to a point. Even an AA with the Slayer arrows is considered good for only 20 seconds, so no big loss really when you can make up for it in melee.

[Sirea]

I'm not an AA, I'm a Tempest. Archery is still situationally useful, even if you aren't an AA. I just switch as needed. With the right ammo you only lose the 500 HP Slayer option which you can offset with the Slaying and Greater Slaying arrows up to a point. Even an AA with the Slayer arrows is considered good for only 20 seconds, so no big loss really when you can make up for it in melee.

Bah, I'm sorry, got you confused with the OP :(

[Glenalth]

1,500 75% returning arrows equals 2,625 regular arrows.

If you run 1500 75% returners, you're going to be a bit under 6000 shots for the whole batch.

[Ganolyn]

If you run 1500 75% returners, you're going to be a bit under 6000 shots for the whole batch.

Well, I'm no math genius, so how do you figure that. I was using the returners at first and they seemed to run out a lot faster than that.


EDIT: I just figured out what you are talking about - I forgot the iterations of returned arrows returning until all are gone. But still, 6000 arrows costs about 7 plat before any haggling and 1500 Sturdy arrows costs about 355 I think so the regular are still a better deal.

[incineration]

Well, I'm no math genius, so how do you figure that. I was using the returners at first and they seemed to run out a lot faster than that.

it takes 4 shots on average to kill a 75% returning (returns 3/4 of the time so 4 causes net 1 arrow loss) and thus it basically 1500x4 or about 6000

[Glenalth]

Well, I'm no math genius, so how do you figure that. I was using the returners at first and they seemed to run out a lot faster than that.


EDIT: I just figured out what you are talking about - I forgot the iterations of returned arrows returning until all are gone. But still, 6000 arrows costs about 7 plat before any haggling and 1500 Sturdy arrows costs about 355 I think so the regular are still a better deal.

It's 4 trips to buy arrows instead of 1. How much is your time worth?

[Reivaxx]

No matter how many you get they will fly if you are using them as you should, if you don't want to worrie about it do as I did, just finished my mineralII bow and even being a bit shorter on damage than LitII it allows you to go anywere with free conjured(neverending) arrows or even to get some more efects from other arrows, without worries. Plus if you make mineralII your dps bow you can as well trade the improve crit ranged for another feat like thoughness or mellee oriented...just a thought ...

[Ganolyn]

It's 4 trips to buy arrows instead of 1. How much is your time worth?

Since I'm not a grind monkey, I really couldn't care less. They get bought at my normal resupply trips, whenever they happen. Besides, I carry 1500 Sturdy arrows right below the regular ones just in case I do run out. I rarely need to break into them before getting a supply run in. I can buy regular arrows anywhere. If I want Sturdy I have to go to one specific place.

[smithtj3]

I was deepwood for a long time before I succumbed to peer pressure and switched to AA. The reason that's important is that it meant I was carrying around 4 thin quivers, 2 wide, and 2 House D quivers. Now that I can conjure/imbue I've ditched the wide and the D quivers which held all the odd ball stacks from chest drops and just carry the four thin. Those used to have 400 standard arrows in each one. Now I keep 400 silver, 400 cold iron, and 400 adamantine in each. This works well because I can usually get through two, sometimes three, raids before I need to go restock the supplies (that's roughly 800 arrows a raid but I use my bow on just about everything where as many AA melee the trash and in between manyshot more than I do).