Bards should have new tunes with new songs

[Cetus]

I suspect a little laziness here dear developers...

I know how intensive this new update has been for you guys, but can you jingle up a quick tune that isnt an exact replica of the old songs? please?

Would be refreshing in a quest to hear some new notes plucked out of a bard- maybe create a melody distinction between warchanters virtuosos and spellsingers?

[dunklezhan]

They aren't new tunes?

Um...

Virtuoso II makes Dunklezhan... sad AND happy?

That is all.

[Cetus]

They aren't new tunes?

Um...

Virtuoso II makes Dunklezhan... sad AND happy?

That is all.

Well, I haven't tried virtuoso and spellsinger, but doing a little inductive reasoning leads me to believe this from playing the new warchanter songs. The regular songs duration has been modified, but the new songs don't have new tunes.

[Thoon]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

[negativeprogression]

every song should have a different tune, thats a no brainer

inspire competance should become more complex as the bonus increases, fascinate etc should do the same based on perform skill

different races should have their own styles

songs played whilst raging would be plucked more aggressively

[Longshot7]

They do have new tunes.. Haven't you noticed they are shorter.. :)

[Aashrym]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

I want a half-orc war chanter who plays war drums. Hook me up! :D

[Memnir]

With the reduced time that the songs play - something needs to be done with them. They just sound bad now. Like somebody ripped the mandolin out of the Bard's hands mid-song...


Bards need all new songs, period. For the old and new songs alike.

[Trillea]

I want a half-orc war chanter who plays war drums. Hook me up! :D

Me too! I want a human bard-barian warchanter that uses bagpipes, and a robe that has a skin like something out of Braveheart. Preferably a named robe with a bonus to Intim.

[lethargos]

the old songs are getting old. How about this: give us the option to choose a mp3 file association with the song. Same length as the original. I want speed metal for my song of recklessnes .

[der_kluge]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

I'm an amateur composer. I'd LOVE to work up some fresh new bard songs. I'd even give them to Turbine for free.

[elujin]

i understand your busey and all but drag a hippy from the streets and give him a lute (and mebey some drugs) and he will hook you up :D

[Irinis]

I loved how inspire courage and inspire greatness actually fit together in a counterpoint if you started the next one at just the right time. I guess that's gone?

And yes, different songs for the new different songs would be lovely.

[Coldin]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

I'm glad someone on the inside wants new songs too. After that, we could get more instruments too!

But maybe in the meantime we could just keep the old songs?

[quityourjobs]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

Can we also add the lack of distinct icons? There's about 7 things that use the Rage image now.

[SisAmethyst]

With the reduced time that the songs play - something needs to be done with them. They just sound bad now. Like somebody ripped the mandolin out of the Bard's hands mid-song...


Bards need all new songs, period. For the old and new songs alike.

The bards like they sitting in the market place at the trainers - playing their repeatedly *didelidelidada* while leveling up or spending AP - often make me wish to rip their mandolin out of their hand. It reminds me a little bit of a midi cellphone ring tone and if you have to listen to it more then 5 seconds you start looking for the mute button. :)

However I like the new sounds that have been introduced for example to the Coin Lord place and I agree that Bards need to be pimped up a little bit with their songs. I mean it hasn't to be Vivaldi Guitar Concerto in D but please give them some loving ;)

[dunklezhan]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

May I suggest you go listen to some credence clearwater revival or america albumns for inspiration. there are some amazing acoustic riffs there. Just pay the rights charge, and lift 'em straight out. Ventura Highway would be ideal for song of capering - nice short, toe tapping repeating refrain.

But I'm glad someone on the dev team has an interest.

Here's a hint - ask the community. Run a competition with a valuable ingame reward (hearts of wood, epic shards, XP reward on any toon they play with bard levels, whatever), and some clear parameters: 10 secs of music, one stringed instrument that is plucked rather than bowed, and so on.

You'll have fifty entries inside a week, at least ten of which would be awesome, and I reckon most people would be glad to have you use it for free. I certainly would enter. It would be awful, mind you, but I'd enter.

[Waukeen]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

Time for some mandolin power solos!

[dunklezhan]

Time for some mandolin power solos!

Thinking about it, i do have a bazouki. I'd forgotten about it as I dont' play really anymore since getting married and having a kid. But I loved that bazouki when I still actively performed. Couldn't actually play it for love nor money, but if they ran said competition I'd have a really good go at learning to do it properly.

[Waukeen]

Thinking about it, i do have a bazouki. I'd forgotten about it as I dont' play really anymore since getting married and having a kid. But I loved that bazouki when I still actively performed. Couldn't actually play it for love nor money, but if they ran said competition I'd have a really good go at learning to do it properly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyy4PY6-j9s

skip past the annoying Garrison Keeler intro and enjoy!

This one is fiddle, guitar, and banjo driven with tap dance percussion. :D

[Trillea]

Thinking about it, i do have a bazouki.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0

[Alabore]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release.

Random musing: /play emotes for bards could be nice.
Maybe with actual sound snipped attached.

[DagazUlf]

I want a half-orc war chanter who plays war drums. Hook me up! :D

Yes please!

[Chaosprism]

Modules have new songs, taverns have multiple songs, but hearing the inspire courage song played 50,000 times over gets VERY dry.

It's been one of my constant suggestions, because I think as far as features go it will have a massive impact to a lot of players.

[Razcar]

I'm an amateur composer. I'd LOVE to work up some fresh new bard songs. I'd even give them to Turbine for free.
Many companies are often vary about using the intellectual property of their fans (excluding MySpace, Youtube etc, who do nothing else) - the legal ramifications and safeguards might cost much more than just getting a "proper" game-music producer to do it.

They could make it as a contest though, but since music production is quite a narrow field (how many DDO-players can play an instrument well? 5%? ((Excluding air guitar...)) How many can create their own tunes and have the means to do good recordings? 0.05%?) they would likely not get many contributions.

Also, it should be music that a fantasy bard is supposed to play - not electroclash or emo-rock :) (Not saying that you couldn't make great bard-tunes, but speaking in general terms).

[elujin]

if you do change them keep facinate /entral the same or i need to get used to a new song XD

[Valindria]

I'd love some violin sounds.


I was at this show and entralled. Quality is a little crappy. Entrallment starts ~2 minutes in. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RRuFiUGLI8

[Kace]

This one really bugs me, because it is the most absurdly easy fix I can imagine. No new tech, no real programming or qa. nothin. Step 1 play song into mic. Step 2 put sound files in. Step 3 point animations at sound files. this should take like 1 guy half a day.

I would think they'd just be changing them up every now and then for fun. Instead they're re-using old sounds for new songs, and even deciding that they're too long, they chop them up instead of making new ones. These things ain't Doc Watson, it's some dude fooling around with a scale for a coupla seconds.

[anto_capone]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

it would rock if we could choose our own riffs, even if they were from a preset list :D

[Goldenadult79]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

Something off of Metallica's, "Ride the Lightning" album would be great, thanks.

[EustaceTrevelyan]

every song should have a different tune, thats a no brainer

inspire competance should become more complex as the bonus increases, fascinate etc should do the same based on perform skill

different races should have their own styles

songs played whilst raging would be plucked more aggressively

/this, for sure. I love the bard, but the same tune for everything gets really old. Glad there's someone up there pushing for change.

[Juppstein]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

I joyfully await the moment when the bard takes up the bagpipe and plays the Cornish March or Solveig to really inspire courage :D

[Irinis]

I loved how inspire courage and inspire greatness actually fit together in a counterpoint if you started the next one at just the right time. I guess that's gone?

And yes, different songs for the new different songs would be lovely.

Yes that's gone. They both use the same soundfile now and it doesn't overlap at all. :(

Seriously, this is horrible.

Old inspire greatness is now shortened and used for: Courage, Greatness, Competence!!!

Old inspire courage is now shortened and used for: all Spellsinger PrE songs. (Didn't have a chance to test Warchanter or Virtuoso PrE's.)

Old inspire competence is now "weirded" (honestly that is the best description possible for what they did to it!) and used for: song of freedom

Focusing chant is still not fixed. What happened, did you lose the soundfile for it completely?

It sounds CHEAP and LAZY to play the same song over and over again for different things.

At the very least, the old soundfiles could have been cut in different places to give different motifs prominence, making what would seem to be entirely new songs from snippets of the old.

If there is more than one Bard in the party (quite likely now that Warchanter and Spellsinger are both desirable) then it would be really nice to be able to hear the difference between different songs, and know that the other Bard just did AC song on the main tank, so maybe you should give out the competence to hurry it up a little.

If this is not fixed I will stop playing Bards. It's simply that big a deal.

[quityourjobs]

I would definitely like to hear more songs.

It's like playing a caster that only has 3 spell graphics.

[quickgrif]

Wish they would do it like they did on LOTRO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4QMtvk4ihg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snfkQ_nLq5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmWqlKyVEV8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD7LMsF1yHY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao86LEP6lCY&feature=related

[hityawithastick]

Let's have a contest! Yaaaaay! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Alabore]

Sometimes I get the feeling devs can't quite decide between minimalism and aesthetics.

:)

[richieelias27]

Flavorful additions such as bard songs, unique amor/weapon graphics, emotes, live events, etc increase immersion. Increased immersion makes for an in general more enjoyable play experience. A more enjoyable play experience keeps players active for longer. More active players = more revenue for Turbine. More revenue for Turbine = more flavorful additions such as bard songs, unique armor/weapon graphics, emotes, live events, etc. ...

/signed

[AyumiAmakusa]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

Push for more instruments too!!! Ty for listening.

[Hambo]

Wish they would do it like they did on LOTRO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4QMtvk4ihg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snfkQ_nLq5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmWqlKyVEV8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD7LMsF1yHY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao86LEP6lCY&feature=related

I also would like to see the LotRO "ABC" system implemented here... This would allow people to customize bard tunes/instrumentation within time limits set to match existing animations (I wouldn't want to stand around through 2-3 minutes of the last link in the above list, "Ghostbusters" before each part of Delara's, for example :rolleyes:).

It could also add a distinct atmosphere to the taverns if the existing background music were to be muted while a group introduced their latest creation.

Heck, just think of the possible "live event" possibilities... Battles of the Bands and such.

Anything to bring a touch of player creativity has long been needed in this game.

[jcTharin]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

COPY THE MUSIC SYSTEM FROM LOTRO!

you can play music from the keyboard and play custom music with an emote. i see no reason why we can do that for this game.

[I_Bob]

Flavorful additions such as bard songs, unique amor/weapon graphics, emotes, live events, etc increase immersion. Increased immersion makes for an in general more enjoyable play experience. A more enjoyable play experience keeps players active for longer. More active players = more revenue for Turbine. More revenue for Turbine = more flavorful additions such as bard songs, unique armor/weapon graphics, emotes, live events, etc. ...

/signed

/signed

[ARcdevil]

/signed

Signed

Copy the LOTRO ABC system and let us have more instruments or maybe we can instead of singing do poetry!
not that soppy rubbish we are tortured with at school some of the good old stuff about telling stories of great battles and stuff and we listen to it as we run. The Bard's song is my favorite however maybe in groups how about every class can take enhancements that let them sing along to a bards song to add words and such improving the buffs or something different to every class.
(Fighter to-hit, Barb damage, Fellow Bard longer buffs) This will encourage people to have more bards in the group.

So we have suggested so far.

The ABC system.
More instruments.
Different music.
And my idea of classes can add words to the song to make it better.

[Eistander]

I don't know if it's been said already, but I want my bard to do a 20 minute Freebird.. but no Stairway!

In all seriousness though, more tunes would be a start, but that system from LoTRO is absolutely fantastic, and would promote serious competition between bards (just YouTube some of these videos.. full-on tunes from huge musicians, you name it!) and would really add that needed "oomph" for bards everywhere.. or maybe different weapon types that promote certain tunes (I don't know, just trying to sort out ideas here).

[Chaosprism]

Yeah there is no real reason why people couldnt make their own tunes, or alternatively buy the tablatures from the store or find them , and "save" them to a particular type of song.

The buy the tablatures bit I'm sure will make some marketing guys eyes light up. But if that DOES happen you MUST allow these to also drop as treasure sometimes. and be sold on the AH.


The ideal IS making our own, but if that system cant come in at least give us some variety in the songs. There is a LOT of different songs now for all 3 prestiges not to mention the variances in the base songs.

[Lord_kNiels]

every song should have a different tune, thats a no brainer

inspire competance should become more complex as the bonus increases, fascinate etc should do the same based on perform skill

different races should have their own styles

songs played whilst raging would be plucked more aggressively

How about different instruments? Optimistic but still a fun addition isntead of everyone running around with their same-old-lute. Like H-orcs have some kind of drums and the elves a harp?

[Alabore]

How about different instruments? Optimistic but still a fun addition isntead of everyone running around with their same-old-lute. Like H-orcs have some kind of drums and the elves a harp?

Nice idea.

[Monroid]

There are already NPCs with flutes, drums and all that, would it be hard to program it to fit players?

And yeah, +1 to the ABC system

[hityawithastick]

This ABC system sounds awesome.

I now hereby /sign it. :D

[phillymiket]

Yes more songs.

Spellsinger, Virtuoso and Warchanter should have different songs. Warchanters should sound marshal, Spellsingers should sound aerie and Virtuoso should be intricate.

They should evolve as your songs improve so when a maxed-out Warchanter hits you with a super ironskin chant you should know just from the sound of the tune that you got treated to a master performance.

It couldn't be THAT hard. After all the animations don't need to change just add some new sound effects.

[Lord_kNiels]

Yes more songs.

Spellsinger, Virtuoso and Warchanter should have different songs. Warchanters should sound marshal, Spellsingers should sound aerie and Virtuoso should be intricate.

It couldn't be THAT hard. After all the animations don't need to change just add some new sound effects.

Nice idea. This would also reflect their abilities and, well, have a slight effect on the players. At least you would hope so.

[ARcdevil]

Souns very nice. Might get me to play a virt bard or a warchanter.

[dunklezhan]

The lack of variety in the songs bards sing has always been a sore point for me. I push for new tunes every release. Someday soon I hope to bring the new of some awesome new bard tunes.

Well, there's been a new release in the two months since Thoon last posted... and there's a new one coming up next month with no sign of any improvement in the music system. There's only one possible conclusion here:


Thoon: your 'pushing' skills need firming up. May I suggest trialling the use of the following implements of persuasion:

Cattleprods,
Thumbscrews,
Spreadsheets (managers love spreadsheets)
Powerpoint presentations (everyone hates these. The mere threat of having to sit through them may be enough for them to give in)
Putting a kobold's head in Fernando's bed
Nerdrage
Plain ol' whining and begging?
edit: a nice cup of coffee. With milk, sugar and Sodium Pentathol.
I probably can help you out with all of those things. Though as a mere mortal I can probably only manage a prosthetic kobold head rather than a real one. Just say the word... *brandishes cattleprod with underslung thumbscrew*

[Lord_kNiels]

Well, there's been a new release in the two months since Thoon last posted... and there's a new one coming up next month with no sign of any improvement in the music system. There's only one possible conclusion here:

Thoon: your 'pushing' skills need firming up. May I suggest trialling the use of the following implements of persuasion:

Cattleprods,
Thumbscrews,
Spreadsheets (managers love spreadsheets)
Powerpoint presentations (everyone hates these. The mere threat of having to sit through them may be enough for them to give in)
Putting a kobold's head in Fernando's bed
Nerdrage
Plain ol' whining and begging?

I probably can help you out with all of those things. Though as a mere mortal I can probably only manage a prosthetic kobold head rather than a real one. Just say the word... *brandishes cattleprod with underslung thumbscrew*

Or invite on a nice cup of coffee. Less complicated and works surprisingly well, though that kobolds head sounds like a great laugh after a hard day at work.

[dunklezhan]

Or invite on a nice cup of coffee. Less complicated and works surprisingly well, though that kobolds head sounds like a great laugh after a hard day at work.

Added to the list. Its certainly a viable addition to the list of persuasion tactics. I suspect cattleprods and power point presentations will break their resolve faster though... :)

Edit: I found a way to make the coffee work better. I'm sure that must be what you intended when you suggested it. Yes. I distinctly remember reading between the lines on your post and seeing 'truth & suggestion drug' in there. *nodnod*

[Lord_kNiels]

Added to the list. Its certainly a viable addition to the list of persuasion tactics. I suspect cattleprods and power point presentations will break their resolve faster though... :)

Edit: I found a way to make the coffee work better. I'm sure that must be what you intended when you suggested it. Yes. I distinctly remember reading between the lines on your post and seeing 'truth & suggestion drug' in there. *nodnod*

The problems with powerpoint though is that either the sun shines throgh the windows or the projector wont work properly. But i guess the frustration would make people submit to any suggestion they are given.

Well lets not discuss basic business life manipulation but keep this a thread about bard tunes. (I know i got a little carried away myself)

[dunklezhan]

Well lets not discuss basic business life manipulation but keep this a thread about bard tunes. (I know i got a little carried away myself)

Very well. I suggest a compromise:

If we post tactics in verse
Of how to focus the purse
Of Turbine on changing the bard tunes
Do you think we'll get further
When suggesting mind murder
Of the executive in charge of the Thoon?
We don't wish any real harm
Perhaps heightened Charm
Of the executive in charge of the Thoon?
We want custom melodies
Or just Prestige specialties
Which can be used along with the bard tunes.
So Thoon please make haste
With the copy and paste
Get a spreadsheet for persuasive purposes
Or alternatively please
Try applying some squeeze
To work in some new bardic services.

Aythenkyew.

[Seliana]

I'd like to see all ingame music including bard songs replaceable via mp3 files. So I could walk into a populated tavern and hear Flogging Molly, Step outside into the wilderness zone and hear some acoustic Blackmore's Night, or begin a fight with a beholder to some Sepultura.

Please break down that client_sound.dat file into a /ddomusic/ directory with mp3's and let the players input their own music.

[Alabore]

I'd like to see all ingame music including bard songs replaceable via mp3 files.
...
Please break down that client_sound.dat file into a /ddomusic/ directory with mp3's and let the players input their own music.

Alas, not signed.
While I am really all about more options and variety for all players, tastes in music are a rather personal affair.

I played LoTRO for a while, and found the ABC system to be much fun, and yet it completely missed the mark at making the game more immersive.
Why?
Because what is fun and involving to one player, completely ruins the fun for another.
Let's be frank about it: we think our tastes in music to be the only right and true ones, and anybody's else favourite tunes to be atrocious.

When playing a bard I have my own mp3 collection handy; I'd redirect audio output into mic input, and team mates would get my tunes over voice chat.
A couple minutes straight, top.
Then I would close winamp, so as to avoid getting charges for psychological torture.

I would love MORE tunes for bards.
After playing LoTRO I've come a bit wary of player-made music though.
I'd vote for a mixed system: allow bards to pick tunes from a list - maybe allow players to submit entries to said list, before it goes live.
Anything else, I'd likely find myself turning audio off.

...

I already do that when running familiar quests with overly chatty team-mates.
Really, don't these people ever shut... I mean, pause and ponder the intricacy of it all?

;)

[Elfvyra]

Putting the Kobold head in a large cube of Jello might be slightly more effective. Just a thought.... ;)

[bashemgud]

I loved how in Everquest you could play a song while using different instruments to get slightly different effects.

Bards should be able to associate their songs to a premade ''tune''. Like you get 3-5 choices of tunes for Inspire courage for example. It would at least diversify bards a bit. Also, introducing instruments to further boost your songs would be interesting.

And a lvl 20 bard's songs shouldn't sound the same as a lvl 10 bard.

[Seliana]

Let's be frank about it: we think our tastes in music to be the only right and true ones, and anybody's else favourite tunes to be atrocious.

When playing a bard I have my own mp3 collection handy; I'd redirect audio output into mic input, and team mates would get my tunes over voice chat.
A couple minutes straight, top.
Then I would close winamp, so as to avoid getting charges for psychological torture.


Yeah, but people can already do that with Winamp or with a stereo next to their boom mic. I've heard it before from players in game who think Enya needs to play 24/7 while they are in the party and everyone needs to hear it.

We have a lovely squelch button for those people.

The MP3 files in the DDO directory would only be local copies of turbine pre-made songs, and replacing the audio file wouldn't force other players of your party to hear your music unless you wanted to intentionally inflict that on them via the microphone. It would be for personal enjoyment only.

[Alabore]

We have a lovely squelch button for those people.

I am not exactly a fan of Enya - at least not 24/7.
But I am getting this feeling you'd go for that squelch button, about some of my musical choices...

:D




The MP3 files in the DDO directory would only be local copies of turbine pre-made songs, and replacing the audio file wouldn't force other players of your party to hear your music unless you wanted to intentionally inflict that on them via the microphone. It would be for personal enjoyment only.

Well, if you wanted a client-side solution, some clever hacking could be the answer here.
Find a way to override existing sound snippets and you're set.

...

BUT... I'll admit I am not sure I get what you really suggested then.
If you are suggesting a server-side solution, that is, all people, even outside your own party, get to listen to your music, that is a bit different.

[Khanyth]

1 word:

yodeling.

FTW. Say. No. More.