Help me save this cleric...

[jortann]

I have a friend who has a problem (Really its a friend - its not me. Really :D )

I convinced him to play DDO with me and he started a cleric on one of the premade paths (Siberys Warpriest). He is about to level up to level 5 and we want to get him off the premade path and onto something that will play a little better in the upper levels. We are going to reset his enhancements and respec a couple of feats.

We want a build that will be healing focused first. I've noticed that this becomes pretty important around level 10 and 11. My highest character is 11 (wizard) and I have only played a cleric to level 5, so I don't know much about them. But regardless I have tried to throw together a couple of builds.

So if you could let me know if there are any major flaws or minor tweeking that needs to be done in these builds that would be great.

The first build is healing focused with a fighter splash for a little ability to knock things on the head when they start nibbling on you.



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ulterius motivus
Level 20 Neutral Good Human Male
(1 Fighter \ 19 Cleric)
Hit Points: 284
Spell Points: 1458
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 6
Will: 17

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 17
Dexterity 10 10
Constitution 14 15
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 16 23
Charisma 8 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 9.5
Bluff -1 -1
Concentration 6 25
Diplomacy -1 -1
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 -1
Heal 3 11
Hide 0 0
Intimidate -1 -1
Jump 3 4
Listen 3 6
Move Silently 0 0
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot 3 6
Swim 3 3
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III





The second build in healing focused with a secondary focus on offensive casting.



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Ulterius Motivus The III
Level 20 Neutral Good Human Male
(20 Cleric)
Hit Points: 272
Spell Points: 1564
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 6
Will: 18

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 17
Dexterity 10 10
Constitution 14 15
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 16 22
Charisma 8 8

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 11
Bluff -1 -1
Concentration 6 25
Diplomacy -1 -1
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 -1
Heal 3 8
Hide 0 0
Intimidate -1 -1
Jump 3 3
Listen 3 6
Move Silently 0 0
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot 3 6
Swim 3 3
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I


Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing II


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting III


Level 20 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Intervention
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II



Thanks for all your help! :D

[Slippery_Steve]

Didnt look too hard in but here are some stuff - dont increase the str in the late levels instead of wisdom. Also U better focus only on 2 skills and not on all of them, believe me taking 5 levels of jump when u use a heavy armor doesnt help u jump high or absorb much damage, just use feather fall.
Also - start with 18 wisdom, thats the very best ability for the cleric, u can open with alittle str and con from the sides but always give the max focus on wisdom.

[AylinIsAwesome]

I have a friend who has a problem (Really its a friend - its not me. Really :D )

I convinced him to play DDO with me and he started a cleric on one of the premade paths (Siberys Warpriest). He is about to level up to level 5 and we want to get him off the premade path and onto something that will play a little better in the upper levels. We are going to reset his enhancements and respec a couple of feats.

We want a build that will be healing focused first. I've noticed that this becomes pretty important around level 10 and 11. My highest character is 11 (wizard) and I have only played a cleric to level 5, so I don't know much about them. But regardless I have tried to throw together a couple of builds.

So if you could let me know if there are any major flaws or minor tweeking that needs to be done in these builds that would be great.

The first build is healing focused with a fighter splash for a little ability to knock things on the head when they start nibbling on you.

Thanks for all your help! :D

What is your friend wanting out of this cleric? It would be a lot easier to help if we knew that.


Didnt look too hard in but here are some stuff - dont increase the str in the late levels instead of wisdom. Also U better focus only on 2 skills and not on all of them, believe me taking 5 levels of jump when u use a heavy armor doesnt help u jump high or absorb much damage, just use feather fall.
Also - start with 18 wisdom, thats the very best ability for the cleric, u can open with alittle str and con from the sides but always give the max focus on wisdom.

Incorrect.

There is no reason to wear heavy armour in the later levels, and STR-based Clerics are perfectly fine. If not going for offensive casting then all that is needed is 19 WIS in the end including items and tomes.

[jortann]

What is your friend wanting out of this cleric? It would be a lot easier to help if we knew that.

Actually I thought I had already answered this in the original question. I was trying to give him two options... both being primarily centered on healing. One leans a little to the battle cleric side while the other leans a little to the offensive caster side.

I was hoping someone could look at them at let me know if there are any major flaws or if these are builds he could use and have a toon that is fun to play.

Thanks for your help!

[FlyingTurtle]

1st build: Weapon Focus is useless; and you're lacking Power Attack.

2nd build: no glaring mistakes I can see, but some options include dropping Mental Toughness and adding either Empower, or Spell Pen depending on whether you like direct damage or instakill.

[Spoonwelder]

Assuming you aren't handcuffed by what he's already done with the character to L5

I'd lean to the second build based upon what you are saying (heal/cast type build wanted)....And push all enhancements and level ups to Wisdom (ie. leave Str and Con at 16 and 14 as the odd numbers don't help you anyway subject to gear considerations) This would get him to 30 WIS with +6item which is decent and will land most spells and provide a good SP pool.

You can still knock some heads around if you need to with divine power/favor will bump up your tohit and dmg a bit. Get decent weapons and he'll be able to puncture a few lungs. Not that he should need to with decent spell choice/usage and it appears a decent group to play with.

If he really wants to go Battle Cleric....levelups to STR - get Wis up to 19 for spell selection only and get PA and IC Slash